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Statehouse Live: Kobach says he didn’t equate homosexuality with criminal behavior

August 28, 2012

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— Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach on Tuesday said he didn't compare homosexuality with criminal behavior during a discussion of a Republican Party platform committee.

"I didn't in any way equate homosexuality with drug use or polygamy," said Kobach.

Last week, at the Republican National Convention platform committee meeting in Tampa, Fla., Kobach argued against an amendment to the GOP's party platform that would have backed same-sex civil unions.

A part of the proposal that Kobach said he was arguing against said that government shouldn't criticize something that doesn't affect another person.

Kobach said that isn't true. For example, he noted, that government criminalizes drug use and polygamy. "We condemn those activities even though they are not hurting other people, at least directly. So this is worded way too broadly for inclusion in the platform,” Kobach had said.

Kobach said he was arguing against the broadness of the proposal. He said he was not equating homosexuality with either drug use or polygamy.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 1 year, 7 months ago

And Akin did not really mean that women who are raped were really asking for it as opposed to "legitimate rape".

Does anybody detect a thread here?

This republican policy of getting into everybodie's private businessand bedrooms is there, it has been told, and the true stripes of the tea bag facist republicans has been revealed. You cannot retract what already is well-known and well documented.

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Fossick 1 year, 7 months ago

jafs: " a self proclaimed 'conservative' likes the idea of government involving itself in personal choices"

I suspect that you are confusing "conservative" and "libertarian." Conservatives do not deny that the government ought to involve itself in personal choices. They never have. They want you to marry and stay married. They want you to stay off drugs and buckle your seat belt and give to charity. They are masters of making the criminal and tax codes push you into those things. They have never demanded that the government excise itself from "personal choices." They have no more intention of letting you alone than do liberals.

Those who assert that they do - and unfortunately I have to include you here, jafs - are fighting a straw man of their own creation. The Conservatives are not hypocritical on this point, they are what they are: progressives (in the original sense) who are perfectly willing to use the power of government to impose their version of the good life by coercion. The main reason I am a libertarian (small l) and not a conservative is this very reason.

You act surprised and even appalled that a conservative wants to use the power of government to impose a vision of society on society. I don't mean to sound pedantic, but Duh, that's what they are running for office to do. They have never hidden that fact.

Kobach is not so much expressing a desire as a fact when he says, "government routinely judges situations where you might regard people completely affecting themselves like, for example, the use of controlled substances, like, for example, polygamy that is voluntarily entered into. We condemn those activities even though they’re not hurting other people, at least directly."

Like it or not, government does those things every day. The fact is inarguable. But it does not do so just because of Conservatives.

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notaubermime 1 year, 7 months ago

In all fairness, Rothschild's other article didn't claim he equated homosexuality with drug abuse. It claimed that he equated same-sex unions with drug abuse.

Maybe it is time to start equating the quality of Rothschild's articles with drug abuse...

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Lane Signal 1 year, 7 months ago

Nazis and Fascist also outlawed homosexuality and did their best to marginalize that population. Now, some will argue that I have lost this argument by equating Kobach with a sneaky, lying, ignorant, self important, bigoted, mean spirited, inarticulate Nazi, but by his own rules, I have not done this and so, I win.

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autie 1 year, 7 months ago

Source: I have family in south east kansas

I are one to.

Really babboy, you too are supportive of Chicago style politics? You can't debate or come up with original thought or solutions to life's problems so you resort to violence? It is easy to see why Obumble appeals to your ilk, he talks, campaigns and thinks violently to stir up the lower dregs of society. If you knew who you were trying to be 'bad' with you would change your tune in a New York minute.....SageyPagey...

You should put on your critical thinking cap and read what is written there. In three sentences the writer commits all the wrongs he accuses the subject of doing. There is hate, insult, ad hominem attack etc...all in three shorts sentences...with no purpose whatsoever than to insult and demean our own dear BABBOY. Who by the way has some pretty good insights and Kansas values. I'd bet ole Sagey has a portrait of Ward Cleaver above his mantle. Right next to the stars and bars.

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hyperinflate 1 year, 7 months ago

"I dummified this post with redneck talk so ya could understand it"

Hardly. Except for the arguably "made up" word dummified, everything appears to be spelled correctly and there is proper grammatical structure. How you 'spose they's gonna understand this?

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Glenn Reed 1 year, 7 months ago

Kobach didn't say that... fair enough I guess.... Feels like he had an opportunity to say SOMETHING about it now, though. Does he feel being gay is one of the things government should condemn? Unless he specifically states otherwise I'm going to go with the default republican position.

Being anti-gay is a plank, official or otherwise, in the republican platform. None of that is entirely relevant to the argument, really...

The operative phrase is "We condemn those activities even though they are not hurting other people..."

That's really the point the whole argument is spinning around. I say "spinning around" because everyone's focused the gay thing.

There's a lot of activities in the set of activities that the state (currently and may want in the future) condemn:

Speaking the truth. Being homosexual. Having multiple partners. Eating candy. Having firearms. Not having firearms. Having fireworks. Studying science. Teaching children science. Smoking pot. Drinking alcohol. Being open too late on a particular day. Reading the wrong books. Being pregnant. Not being pregnant. Not being married. Getting needed medical care. Leaving your home without an escort. Driving. Working. Having too many kids. Not going to church. Going to the wrong church. Blasphemy.

It's a short list, but really, the set of activities is pretty much endless.

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parrothead8 1 year, 7 months ago

It sure looked like him. Maybe we should ask to see his ID before each time he's allowed to speak in public.

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jafs 1 year, 7 months ago

Please - this is a minor correction to the story.

He said that he opposed keeping the government out of our business unless we infringe on the rights of others, a classically conservative stance.

And, he used the examples of drug use and polygamy as examples of how the government "condemns" activities that don't harm others, as part of a discussion about same sex unions.

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nondescript 1 year, 7 months ago

I told you so. From my comment placed on the earlier story:

"He did NOT equate them, he COMPARED some examples. There is a difference, people.

The Journal World / Rothschild are really stretching to make Kobach look bad because they don't agree with him. Typical."

...and KansasConscience above is absolutely right: 'No retraction statement. No correction statement. Simply Kobach saying, "I didn't say that." '

This "reporting" methodology is indeed a good way to unfairly smear a public figure. Take note Jayhawk Journalism students!

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1 year, 7 months ago

No retraction statement. No correction statement. Simply Kobach saying, "I didn't say that."

Pretty big assumptions SP. Were you a fly on the wall? Were you privy to Scott's supposed chastisement? But then, you've always made assumptions like that, haven't you.

NOTE: I'm surprised you're able to recognize a "balance approach" since most of your comments parrot those made by Faux News. You know, that "news organization" that went to court and sued so they wouldn't have to publish the truth.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 7 months ago

But what wording did KK propose in its place? Is there anything in the platform about recognizing civil unions for gays?

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SageonPage 1 year, 7 months ago

Seems Scotty got his hand slapped on this one. You wouldn't have to retract your stories if you would take a balanced approach (like journalists) to your stories to start with. However, that being said, you did get to trash Kobach and make him appear in a different light for quite some time before correcting yourself.

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1southernjayhawk 1 year, 7 months ago

Simply another case of Rothschild drawing his own conclusions and presenting them as fact. Rothschild is as biased as they come and I read every line printed under his name as fiction.

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FalseHopeNoChange 1 year, 7 months ago

Yes 'you' did Kobach cuz yesterdays paper said 'you' were "likens" it.

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Glenn Reed 1 year, 7 months ago

....

So...

Who was talking at the RNC?

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