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Police respond to gunshots at former chief’s house

Incident treated as medical emergency

August 13, 2012, 11:22 p.m. Updated August 14, 2012, 5:47 p.m.

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Lawrence police early Thursday responded to the home of former Police Chief Ron Olin after dispatchers received a call saying he was having a reaction to medication and he was firing a gun.

According to an audio recording of police and dispatcher radio traffic by Journal-World reporting partner Mike Frizzell, who operates Operation 100 News and monitors overnight police activity in the area, officers were sent at 2:46 a.m. Thursday to the southwest Lawrence home owned by Olin and his wife, Sylvie.

After a dispatcher said a person with a gun had fired five shots, police in 12 cars were sent to the home, as well as an ambulance.

“A person at the residence was experiencing a medical emergency, which resulted in a firearm being discharged,” Police Chief Tarik Khatib said Monday.

Khatib said that because the incident was classified as a medical emergency, the report was not required to be publicly released. With medical emergencies, the police department is also restricted by health information privacy laws, he said.

Attempts to reach Olin by phone and at his home Monday were not successful.

The 911 call

According to the recording, at one point during the 19-minute incident, a police supervisor at the scene asked a dispatcher to provide a summary of what she knew.

“OK, we got a 911 hangup. I called it back. I got the female. She said he’s on medication having a reaction. She said he was delusional, and he was yelling Signal 14 (police code for officer in distress). While I was on the phone with her telling her that we are on the way, she said he was out of it because of some medication reaction,” the dispatcher said. “I did hear the gun go off a couple of times. She told me he was shooting and to hurry, and she did hang up.”

About 40 seconds later, a woman emerged from the home, and police said she was with officers, according to the conversation between the dispatcher and police.

The dispatcher soon made contact with Olin.

“I’ve got Ron on the phone, and he’s saying that his wife was just kidnapped,” the dispatcher said. ‘‘ … He’s telling me that two men just kidnapped his wife. He’s telling me he’s in the back bedroom, and he doesn’t have a weapon is what he’s saying.”

During part of the conversation, the dispatcher said Olin was worried someone would try to break his back window and he would get shot in the back if he left the house. The dispatcher also said Olin told her “the bad guy gave him a weapon.” Then she said: “He dropped the phone and told me a guy’s in the kitchen.”

Seconds later, an officer can be heard saying he’s inside the residence. Then in about a minute, the supervisor says officers are OK and indicates Olin is with them.

A Lawrence Memorial Hospital spokeswoman confirmed that Olin was brought to the hospital Thursday and that he was no longer a patient there on Monday.

Police response

Last Thursday morning, the police department’s website noted the incident as a medical emergency. It did not list a police report number, indicating a criminal report was not taken, and it contained no names.

Khatib on Monday did not identify the parties in the incident, but he did defend the department’s response to the incident. He said that several officers were sent to the area based on the initial information in the call and that police gathered facts as the incident progressed and came to a conclusion.

“It was treated in an above-board way,” he said. “There was no preferential treatment.”

Khatib said police did document the incident in a report as a medical emergency. He said generally that police do often investigate incidents in which guns are fired in the city, which can be a crime. But the chief said for it to be illegal, the person firing the gun must have intent to fire it. There could be other circumstances, such as a medical emergency or an accident, that lead to a gun being fired, he said.

“If a crime is committed, we document it. If there’s no crime, we document it as well,” Khatib said, adding the report would not be forwarded to prosecutors because it was determined to be a medical incident.

Olin, who grew up in Lawrence, became a Lawrence police officer in 1971. He progressed through the ranks and in 1987 was named the city’s police chief. He held that post until 2010, when he retired to become director of security and internal controls at Kansas Athletics Inc. He resigned his position at Kansas University in summer 2011 to offer his part-time services as a consultant. He has taught courses at KU and Haskell Indian Nations University, and has taught courses on terrorism and counterterrorism to law enforcement officers across the country.

Comments

FormerCentralKansan 2 years, 4 months ago

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Jean Robart 2 years, 4 months ago

With medical emergencies, police are not allowed to release details due to privacy laws, then they-or somebody else-did indeed release lots of details. Why were those details printed in the paper? What about Mr Olin's privacy rights and those of his wife? does nobody care about that?

Topple 2 years, 4 months ago

The press couldn't care less about peoples' privacy. Hence them CALLING their house to harass them about what happened. Tactless and shameful, LJW.

verity 2 years, 4 months ago

Accidentally hit the suggest removal button when I was trying to get rid of the reply box that I accidentally got and apparently it can't be reversed.

Sorry.

deec 2 years, 4 months ago

Good thing he wasn't suicidal with a knife or a middle-aged factory worker who refused medical care. He'd be dead now.

Caz Snwot 2 years, 4 months ago

someone's been in lawrence too long....

Jayhawker07 2 years, 4 months ago

Bizarre?

To say the least. Blasting a gun off randomly at 3am. is understandable? For what? They did not detain the individual? Breathalizer? Blood test? What the heck? I am sure most of the folks here in town would have been arrested and checked out. What makes Olin any different? Gun owners have the right to shoot there guns in the city for what reason? Did he have more tickets for this seasons games? If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, yada yada yada and Blah, Blah, Blah.................

What kind of gun was he shooting? Details please. Who was the woman, the witness? What were her statements? What is his address so we know where not to be at 3am? Not a safe place to raise kids for sure. "Oh son he is just having one of those days, come on inside and play with your toys in the (shelter) basement".

Topple 2 years, 4 months ago

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jaywalker 2 years, 4 months ago

You've been reading this paper long enough to know .......what? Because the paper dictates who receives preferential treatment? He was taken to the hospital and you have no idea how he was detained. Truth is you don't know what truth is.

jaywalker 2 years, 4 months ago

Feel free to keep going back to that well, but only a fool would believe they KNOW police gave anyone preferential treatment because of the way a story was written. You still have NO idea how Olin was treated, and apparently he wasn't detained BECAUSE there was no criminal complaint.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 4 months ago

"but only a fool would believe"

Why, yes, because it could only be the case that anyone who disagrees with you must be a fool, right, jay?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 4 months ago

You clearly don't know what "ad hominem attack" means. That's clear even to this clown.

jaywalker 2 years, 4 months ago

Clearly, you must be talking to yourself.

jaywalker 2 years, 4 months ago

That's exactly the point, KR, your contention is not based on facts, but what you supposedly perceive because you've "read this paper long enough to know blah blah blah."

jaywalker 2 years, 4 months ago

Re-read your own initial post. Your opinion could only be informed by what wasn't in the story. And you claim to KNOW something BECAUSE you've "read this paper long enough" - as if you're able to read between the lines and discern the "truth."

Crazy_Larry 2 years, 4 months ago

Yep, definitely preferential treatment. I stopped (caught) a burglar at my home one morning and shot my gun off in the process. Guess what, I got a ticket from the police for discharging a firearm within city limits. Do you think the city prosecutor would wave the charges? Heck no! He said I could take it to trial and let the jury decide if I wanted....I opted for diversion. Wake up folks! The justice system is corrupt through and through...and the police are better than us.

nondescript 2 years, 4 months ago

"...police do often investigate incidents in which guns are fired in the city, which can be a crime. But the chief said for it to be illegal, the person firing the gun must have intent to fire it. There could be other circumstances, such as a medical emergency or an accident, that lead to a gun being fired, he said."

I'll make sure that if I ever fire a gun off in town that it will be because of both an "accident" and " a medical emergency". However, since I don't live at Chief Olin's address, will the cops believe me? No. Will I live through the incident?...

landon_alger 2 years, 4 months ago

The chief is being less than honest. Under the city code, there is no specific intent requirement for discharging a firearm in town. If he intended to fire the gun, whether he thought he was shooting at invisible pirates or pink elephants, it is against city code. See Lawrence Municipal Code § 14-407 ("No person shall discharge or fire off any firearms of any kind within this City").

No one ever said the gun accidentally went off five times. At a bare minimum, he should be charged. Whether he goes to trial, resolves the matter via diversion (with a structured treatment program), or makes some other kind of plea deal, he should be charged like any other civilian.

Crazy_Larry 2 years, 4 months ago

The LPD simply chose not to ticket their fellow poh-leece-man. Their corruption knows no bounds. Don't even try to hide it anymore because the sheeple are idiots.

Mitigating circumstances - n. in criminal law, conditions or happenings which do not excuse or justify criminal conduct, but are considered out of mercy or fairness in deciding the degree of the offense the prosecutor charges or influencing reduction of the penalty upon conviction.

cowboy 2 years, 4 months ago

Danger to self or others would dictate a formal evaluation regardless of the cause of the illness / incident.

softsun 2 years, 4 months ago

Olin is a GREAT person and will figure out what he needs and get those needs met. Who among us can cast the first stone? Stand down. Give him the time and space he deserves like any one of us. He has been there for so many. Give him a turn. He earned it.

Crazy_Larry 2 years, 4 months ago

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you or I had repeatedly shot a firearm off within city limits we'd be charged with a crime. That is, unless, you're a part of the big club too.

nondescript 2 years, 4 months ago

I will stand down when it comes to Olin. The central issue is not about Olin. It's about: How do I get the same (as good as) consideration when the cops come to my house?

grammaddy 2 years, 4 months ago

Too bad Greg Sevier wasn't treated with as much compassion.He only had a knife.

northtowngrl 2 years, 4 months ago

Yep. I keep going back to that too. Can't help but think of that in this case. Perhaps Karma really IS a _itch.

Topple 2 years, 4 months ago

I'm curious about the Sevier case. I'm not familiar with it, but I'm assuming he approached officers with the knife in-hand?

It sounds like Olin didn't have the gun when officers entered the home and escorted him out.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

Google "Gregg Sevier homicide" and be prepared to get an eye full about Lawrence's "finest".

deec 2 years, 4 months ago

He was sitting in his bedroom with a knife and threatening to kill himself. His parents called the police for help. The police shot him and then claimed he lunged at them.

Kendall Simmons 2 years, 4 months ago

Gee. Too bad you're mad that the LPD actually learned something from Sevier's death.
Should they not have learned anything? Is that what you're saying? Yeesh.

Topple 2 years, 4 months ago

I believe they're saying that they're unhappy Olin wasn't shot.

Bassetlover 2 years, 4 months ago

Sadly, we have now seen the adverse impact the wrong meds can have on someone's life twice in just the past ten days. We wish the Chief all the best as he recovers. To all the haters out there, know that this could happen to any of us.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

Actually, if this happened to any of (the rest of ) us, there would be a fifty/fifty chance we'd be dead.

brujablanco 2 years, 4 months ago

Uhhh, don't think miss cait wishes to be connected to your cop-hating.

Topple 2 years, 4 months ago

So many stupid comments this morning.

Jean Robart 2 years, 4 months ago

and you would know. BTW--yours was removed. Did you include that in the stupid comments?

Crazy_Larry 2 years, 4 months ago

Yes, it could happen to any of us. Only we'd have been charged with a crime regardless of the circumstances... This is why there is hate for the justice system. They do not hold themselves to the same standards as the people they 'serve and protect'. Ticket Olin and run him through the rigamarole just like any other joe-schmo would be treated. He's still alive, at least he's got that going for him.

bballwizard 2 years, 4 months ago

I live in the neighborhood and I dont car if its the former President. He is shooting a gun randomly and that could have killed someone. His guns need to be confiscated immediately until they figure out what is his issue. He Certainly does not need a gun. OMG if anyone else would have been shooting a gun randomly there would be some action taken.

jaywalker 2 years, 4 months ago

Try to actually read the story first before commenting.

cowboy 2 years, 4 months ago

kudos to the officers who diffused the situation safely however the disposition leaves a number of questions. Were all of his firearms confiscated and due to the classification of med emergency did that prevent law enforcement from taking the firearms ? The residents of Topeka Lane deserve to know whether this situation is addressed and the secrecy of Khatib does not serve the citizens but only Olin.

Kendall Simmons 2 years, 4 months ago

How do you know he wasn't??? I mean, the article did say he was taken to the hospital.

irvan moore 2 years, 4 months ago

i don't have a problem with olin but i truly hope they pull his carry permit, if an episode such as the above happened in public it could be tragic

Crazy_Larry 2 years, 4 months ago

Do medical conditions (mitigating circumstances) exonerate criminal action? Remember, the police do not make the laws, they only enforce them (or choose not to enforce, as is the case with Olin).

deec 2 years, 4 months ago

I guess since medical conditions preclude criminal charges, they can stop harrassing, beating and arresting Simon now.

labernat 2 years, 4 months ago

"After a dispatcher said a person with a gun had fired five shots, police in 12 cars were sent to the home, as well as an ambulance."

Interesting. When shots were fired near my home, it took five 911 calls before a deputy would even respond. I guess it really does matter who you are!

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

I think once they figured out it was Olin it was kinda necessary to send that many cars. God only knows the arsenal the man must have.

Jeff Barclay 2 years, 4 months ago

Surely someone with some authority in city government is going to call for a second look at this. With so many creditability issues floating around the LPD I suggest a second look. Something else to seriously consider- we may need an outsider to come in and run the LPD. It appears personal relationships are clouding sound judgement. A new police facility won't repair poor leadership.

kernal 2 years, 4 months ago

There are medications for many issues, physical as well as psychological, that need to be taken off the market, but with the pharmaceutical companies paying millions to lobbiests in Washington, D.C. we're pretty much at their mercy. Also, physicians need to make sure they explain all the contraindications of the medication to the patient and that the patient understands. Some of those side effects can sneak up on you in a heartbeat and you don't even realize they've got a hold of you until you have a physical reaction or make a complete ass of yourself. Hope Olin will be okay.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

I have teenage grandchildren that live in Lawrence with my daughter, their mother. Adolescence can be a really crazy time in a kid's life and the chance ALWAYS exists that one can go suicidal, even if it's over something as stupid as not getting a prom date. My daughter made the decision a very long time ago that if such a situation occurred, 911 would be the LAST thing she would call. No matter what it took, she would get her kid into a car and take them to Kansas City. Why? Because, flat out, she wants to end up with a living breathing child and not a dead one. That's about as sad as it gets.

verity 2 years, 4 months ago

Good for her that she has a plan now before it happens rather than waiting until there's an emergency.

Kendall Simmons 2 years, 4 months ago

Why not Stormont-Vail? It's closer. Heck, why not the LMH emergency room if it's that bad?

Perhaps your daughter actually ought to consider revisiting and revising her plans on an annual basis? After all, there are mental health resources in town that could point her in the current best direction.

sunflowergal 2 years, 3 months ago

been there done that, didn't work. there are NO options for a suicidal teen after hours, and guess when most suicides happen?

somedude20 2 years, 4 months ago

I say-a, I say-a that-a this smells more fishy than a house of ill repute in the desert heat....

So is life, some people carry one of dem fancy black or platinum credit cards while the rest just have plain old plastic. Big fish, little pond

Alceste 2 years, 4 months ago

What "medication" causes someone to pick up a hand cannon and blast away five times? If someone using that "medication" blasts away five times and one or more of the five blasts hits a person does the situation remain a "medical emergecy"?

Was the guy who went into that Batman movie experiencing a "medical emergency"?

Again what "medication" has a side affect that causes a person to pick up a hand cannon and blast away?

Wasn't there some Whitehouse official who perpetrated a hit and run on two cars (hitting the same car twice at that) and got away with it because there was found to be Ambien in his blood? Ah....yes.....the Secretary of Commerce. The Ambien had nothing to do with it. It was a seizure......Yeah....that's it.....if you wield enough power and influence, you can turn a bender into a "medical emergency". In the Secretary's situation, he went even further and got it called a seizure. Perhaps ex chief Olin was too was experiencing a "seizure".

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/07/ex-commerce-secretary-bryson-tested-positive-for-ambien.html

mdlund0 2 years, 4 months ago

Good points diluted by the use of the phrase "hand cannon".

Bike_lover 2 years, 4 months ago

It seems more like a case where he may have gone off his medication!

Shane Garrett 2 years, 4 months ago

Wow, must have been a wild night for LPD.

Alceste 2 years, 4 months ago

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=906 is a website to listen. Pay for premium membership and you can listen to the archive of the actuall 911 call.

DillonBarnes 2 years, 4 months ago

The assumptions people make are amazing.

Randall Barnes 2 years, 4 months ago

and now the rest of the story. olin was outside shooting. he then had seizures and left his rifle on the sidewalk. now with that in mind his drivers licence under kansas law should be suspended for 6 months.yes i was listening to the scanner.

SB2013 2 years, 4 months ago

Good for you because we'll never get the straight story. It is a cover up and only those close to the situation (physically or geographically), or with a scanner really know or heard the truth.

mdlund0 2 years, 4 months ago

Everything is a cover-up. The world as you perceive through the words of others is a lie. Only believe what you see and hear with your own eyes and ears. They are all out to get you. You are not paranoid.

Crazy_Larry 2 years, 4 months ago

I heard that discharging a firearm within city limits is a crime. Olin should have been charged as such. Mitigating circumstances do not exonerate anyone from criminal action...unless you are/were in the police department, apparently.

sunflowergal 2 years, 3 months ago

not even a hand gun, but a rifle? did they look to see where the shots went and if anyone was injured before leaving the scene? scary thought. I don't condone covering it up, glossing it over, but do respect people's privacy. However, this is also a safety issue. How did they know a stray (or whatever you choose to call it) bullet didn't hit someone in a neighboring house and the person was unable to call for help? this story is more complicated then just a reaction to medicine.

JackMcKee 2 years, 4 months ago

3001 Topeka Lane is in the city limits so why was Olin shooting in the first place? Assuming that piece of gossip is true.

Kendall Simmons 2 years, 4 months ago

Boy...did you not read the article. Yeesh.

oldbaldguy 2 years, 4 months ago

A civilian would have left from the scene in cuffs and more than likely arrested and jailed awaiting charges. Whatever caused the situation would have been sorted out in court. I am not advocating this for Mr. Olin, I just know from experience this is what normally happens. It would be great if a medical emergency was taken in to account before the legal system starts to grind.

Patricia Davis 2 years, 4 months ago

This incident reveals so much about our times. When will we ever learn that the coverup is usually worse than the crime? What ever caused Olin's "medical emergency" needs more public exposure because his behavior put the public at great risk.

On the other hand, I think this incident shows that a community of this size needs the capability for mental health treatment at LMH.This is an ongoing conversation. LMH does not want the financial drag of mental health services. Many people in Olin's situation would have been put in jail regardless of the "medical emergency" they had experienced before/during the commission of a crime.

Bassetlover 2 years, 4 months ago

Not LMH's fault. Very hard to attract 2-3 full-time psychiatrists to work for LMH because the patient workload isn't high enough. They could probably get by with just one psychiatric MD but the gig isn't very lucrative....they'd have to be on-call 24-7-365....who wants that? It's all about patient load in a community our size. Staffing with more than one psychiatrist would reduce patient load and thus the doctor's income. Too many other more attractive options for hospital psychiatrists to choose from in other larger markets.

TheBigW 2 years, 4 months ago

We give a bunch of tax payer monies to Bert Nash, maybe those folks should pony up and give back to the community via LMH... IMHO

pace 2 years, 4 months ago

They closed the psychiatric service.

SB2013 2 years, 4 months ago

I agree, this has been going on "forever" and unfortunately won't change. I've heard and seen people with mental health issues wrestled to the ground, their teeth knocked out, handcuffed then taken to jail. Basically, treated like dirt by the LPD. He got special treatment - bottom line.

Crazy_Larry 2 years, 4 months ago

It will change, if people get off their butts and make it change. Let's do this! Enough of the Big Club! Tear it down! Remember the four boxes of liberty! Soap box, ballot box, jury box, and ammo box.

To defend our county's liberty, Make sure it remains strong... Protect it from catastrophe, Ensure that it goes on...

There's a simple way of doing that, To ensure freedom for all... Contained inside four boxes, So that Liberty stands tall.

The first box is a small one, But one each one of us knows... It's called simply 'the soapbox', Where ideas root and grow.

The next one is not used as much, A shame upon our nation... For it is called the ballot box, Holds both dreams and elation.

The third one is the Jury Box, Which filters right from wrong... Democracy's way of making sure, That Liberty goes on.

The fourth box is the saddest one, It's used when all else fails... For it is called the Ammo box, And holds sadness and wails.

But if we use them properly, Each one in listed turn... Liberty will light the path, That Democracy will earn.

Kendall Simmons 2 years, 4 months ago

And how often have any of you slacktivists actually done anything besides post on forums?

You whine and complain...and post silly things like this "4 steps" above.

But how about actually...oh, say, donate money to mental health services? Or talk to the LPD and tell them you support CIT and want to see more of it? (Look it up.) Or even offer to volunteer at places like Headquarters or RAHN...organizations that are actually doing something about this?

Have you even bothered to write a letter to your state and federal elected representatives...or our governor...about stopping the cuts in mental health services?

Probably not. It's just too easy to whine online.

Crazy_Larry 2 years, 4 months ago

As a matter of fact, I write to elected officials at every level of government and usually receive the same canned responses talking around the issues with their partisan B.S. I have also volunteered at the Topeka V.A. hospital. So, you can take your stupid assumptions and put them where the sun don't shine.

"Frederick Douglass, an escaped slave who became an influential public figure in the Union States and Great Britain before the Civil War, and had a long and distinguished career after the war. In a speech delivered on 15 November 1867, Douglass said "A man's rights rest in three boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box. Let no man be kept from the ballot box because of his color. Let no woman be kept from the ballot box because of her sex"".

"Brian C. Kalt of the Michigan State University College of Law argues that the idea simply expresses the intent of the United States Bill of Rights to enshrine and protect the popular sovereignty. It succinctly defines the four methods by which the people can stand up for their rights."

Silly, isn't it? Sheeple.

ironhead80 2 years, 4 months ago

Well, the former head of the GASTOPO!!, finally, cracked!!!!!!!!!!!

Food_for_Thought 2 years, 4 months ago

It's funny how a rumor mill like LJW's regular bloggers can take a snippet of information and spin it into a wild story for which they have no supporting information. You guys are just as silly as the scandalous and drama-filled sleaze rags like the National Enquirer. Spin away, rumor mill! Give your lives some form of purpose!

MarcoPogo 2 years, 4 months ago

I'm just thankful that you came down from the mountain to set these people straight.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 4 months ago

Isabelle is right on point. Your remark is sexist and I don't know if you really believe what you wrote or are just trying to get a reaction.

Crazy_Larry 2 years, 4 months ago

It's a Big Club, and we ain't in it. Can we all agree that its time for the Big Club to be dismantled? No justice, no peace!

Crazy_Larry 2 years, 4 months ago

Oh, and I hope the chief is alright. However, I do think he should be charged with discharging a weapon in city limits (if he did as the story suggests)...any other citizen outside the Big Club would've been.

kansasredlegs 2 years, 4 months ago

12 police cars on a midnight shift responded. No better proof that we do not need more officers added to the budget.

Also, since Olin utilized so many city resources, does this mean he'll be declared a "nuisance bar" and have his gun "license" revoked? If not, will he receive a bill to repay the taxpayers for the waste of tax dollars while the rest of the community went unprotected while the entire department was at his house.

meggers 2 years, 4 months ago

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I agree that most citizens probably wouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt in a case like this.

If it was truly a medication reaction, I would guess Ambien. That and similar drugs have been known to cause severe 'sleepwalking' occurrences.

Either way, I believe the public should receive an explanation from Mr. Olin. The folks who provided his medical care are bound by HIPAA, but HE can share information if he chooses. If it was truly a medical problem, it would probably be in his best interest to explain that to the public.

It would be different if he had been hospitalized for psychiatric treatment. Since he wasn't, silence on his part only implies preferential treatment by the LPD.

triplegoddess13 2 years, 4 months ago

So if it were you would you be so willing to disclose your medical information to the entire public? That's exactly what you're asking Olin (a citizen of the community) to do.

meggers 2 years, 4 months ago

I said it would be in his best interest to let people know what possessed him to break the law by firing shots in a residential neighborhood in the middle of the night. It's his choice, of course, but I think people would probably be a bit more understanding and it would shine a better light on the LPD if he can provide an explanation that makes sense.

Although he is now retired, he was still police chief for many years, which raises obvious suspicion that he was given preferential treatment. The only person who can put that suspicion to rest is him.

Or, he can choose to remain silent and allow speculation about the true nature of his activities -and distrust for the LPD- to flourish.

Katara 2 years, 4 months ago

That is assuming that the medical cause of this incident is known. When I first read this, I thought Ambien too but there are many other medications and many other medical conditions that can cause incidents such as this. It may be something that requires further testing and the Mr. Olin may not want to disclose the information until he knows for sure what it is.

triplegoddess13 2 years, 4 months ago

Maybe he wants to keep his private life and private medical condition just that, private. Sounds like you aren't willing to share your information with the general public so why should he. If it were any other citizen this article wouldn't have gotten as much (uninformed) press.

Lawrenceks 2 years, 4 months ago

It is not illegal to discharge a firearm in your own home. I know of several people in west Lawrence who have indoor firing ranges. There are also firearms ranges at the 21st and Iowa army reserve, the community building in 100 Blk of West 11th Street and the military science building on the KU campus. Plus soon a firearms range at the new Lawrence Police Department they are building. All in the City of Lawrence!

If it was a reaction to meds there is no crime there for making it a medical emergency. Federal Hippa rules fall into place meaning you will not get any report information about the incident.

Some of the comments on here crack me up. Makes one wonder where some of these people went to school at. Some real rocket scientists on here!

It is nice that the Lawrence Journal World has violated the Federal Hippa Law, plus printing information about something they don’t know is in fact true. Nice!

bballwizard 2 years, 4 months ago

Are you for real????? He does not have a firing range. He discharged five shots in his house. Where did you go to school?

deec 2 years, 4 months ago

Except if the commenter who was listening to the scanner is correct, he was outside shooting randomly.

pace 2 years, 4 months ago

Now that you have lied about the circumstance, not what was reported, that he was firing at his indoor range. You should follow fox's example and repeat the lie as if you believe it. Then say it was said he was firing at an indoor range and the firing was legal. Then other people with "medical" problems will declare their living rooms or bedrooms their indoor range.

hedshrinker 2 years, 4 months ago

Bert Nash provides trained mental health staff who are on call 24-7 to provide threat screenings at LMH ER (harm to self or others) and assist in treatment recommendations. Unfortunately, if patients require inpatient observation and treatment they have to be transported elsewhere to inpatient facilities which are stretched to the max (recently there was nothing with open beds in Topeka and my person had to go to Missouri). LMH has made a makeshift attempt to have a private mental health area in the ER, but it is not adequate to the needs in this community. As a mental health provider in this community for several decades I know the need for more comprehensive resources but there is not $$$$ or public will until there's some high-profile incident. Routine people get shipped off to State or private facilities at a distance and coordination with local providers who carry the day to day burden are typically non-existent or perfunctory. It continues to be an embarrassment that a progressive community like Lawrence doesn't have a better full continuum of mental health services available.

bunnyhawk 2 years, 4 months ago

This is a serious problem for all Kansas communitites. Even in Topeka, there are not enough mental health resources to meet community needs. All too often, individuals suffering from mental illness encounter law enforcement officers because of behaviors that are considered unacceptable in their community. Even when those behaviors do not directly threaten the safety of others, these individuals are most often arrested and placed in the county jail. After numerous such arrests they may find themselves in the custody of the Kansas Department of Corrections. It is wrong to imprison people because we are not willing to adequately fund mental health services. Mr. Olin's experience shines a HUGE light on the disparity between the privileged and the rest of us. If Mr. Olin lived in Edgewood, he would most certainly be in jail today and none of us would think a thing about it. Additionally, funding really great community mental health services is WAY cheaper than funding jails and prisons!

sunflowergal 2 years, 3 months ago

My personal experience with B Nash was underwhelming to put it lightly. I took someone there that was admittedly suicidal but because it was 4:30 on a Friday she was turned away. They asked her to sign a release form saying they weren't responsible if she killed herself and then pushed us out the door, locking it as we stood in the parking lot crying. We were told if she hurt herself to take her to the ER and after treatment a police car would take her to the state mental hospital about 40 miles south of here, where after 48 hours she would be released. luckily, I was able to stay with that person for the next few days, that and her anger at being treated so irresponsibly and with no compassion kept her alive. some great policies for a open, liberal, well informed, educated community.

hipper_than_hip 2 years, 4 months ago

14-407 DISCHARGING FIREARMS. No person shall discharge or fire off any firearms of any kind within this City. The provisions of this Section shall not apply however, to the discharge of firearms by officers of the law, when necessary in the discharge of their official duties, to the discharge of firearms in any licensed shooting gallery in this City, to any officer or enlisted man of the Kansas National Guard while in the discharge of his or her duty, or to any person using such firearm to lawfully defend his or her person, property or dwelling. (Code 1979, 14-409; Ord. 5516, Ord. 8021)

At last nights CC meeting, the City approved a suspension of the enforcement of City Code Section 14-407, prohibiting the discharge of firearms within the city, for a “shotgun” start at the Lawrence Police Foundation golf tournament on Thursday, August 23, 2012, at Alvamar Orchards Golf Course.

blindrabbit 2 years, 4 months ago

This incident aside, it apparently is fairly common knowledge that this individual has a rather healthy gun collection, including some that may not be legally owned by individuals. The federal gun laws are very specific as to what is legal, based on type, age of gun and ability to fire automatically. Access to many of these weapons is restricted to most individuals by lack of opprotunity to obtain, that would not be the case here based on his prior employment. Maybe there should be a effort to investigate especially based on the most recent scenario. Just playing it safe!

hipper_than_hip 2 years, 4 months ago

If you can buy a gun at Lawrence Pawn, AND pay the $200 tax stamp, then you can own anything that Olin owns.

Janet Olin 2 years, 4 months ago

I have heard nothing but good things about the new chief, but his whitewash of this incident using 'medical emergency' as a tool to avoid making information public is a travesty. Drug reaction or no, the ex-chief fired not one but 5 rounds in a residential neighborhood in direct violation of city code. How is it that a police report is not required (even though many officers were there), or a breathalyzer or some sort of citation, as anyone else would receive? It's so...Lawrence that select individuals skate by or under laws everyone else follows or faces consequences. Shouldn't people in city government, the DA's office or the news media be asking more about this?

Lawrenceks 2 years, 4 months ago

janetjaz, Are you an attorney? Didn’t think so! Do a search on Google and read some of the Supreme Court rulings! You will find there was no crime! Maybe next time do a little research before making statements like about!!

Janet Olin 2 years, 4 months ago

The law about discharging firearms inside city limits has been cited several times in the comments here, or can't you read?

Janet Olin 2 years, 4 months ago

There are two common themes in these comments: first, that a law was broken and what that law says; second, that many object to the preferential way this was handled, in direct contrast to those who have recounted their experiences, and in contrast to the way most everyone else has been or would be treated after breaking this law.

blindrabbit 2 years, 4 months ago

Lawrenceks: I'm sure the residents in his neighborhood are soothed by your comments! 12 police cars at 2:30 in the morning following gunfire, maybe around apartments south of 23rd and Oshdahl (never learned how to spell that)l, but not is his hood.

Nikonman 2 years, 4 months ago

So, did anyone check the bullet holes and possible trajectory of the five shots? Have the neighbors checked their walls for the spent rounds?

JackMcKee 2 years, 4 months ago

This story, along with the ticket fixing, are really quite disturbing. I'm falling on the side of those calling for citizens review of the police department.

BlackVelvet 2 years, 4 months ago

I think Olin was also responsible for the Lindberg kidnapping. He probably was invoved in the Kennedy assassination too.

LeRoyMercer 2 years, 4 months ago

Two things should stand out to the citizens of Lawrence. One is that the basic elements of a crime were established, I.e. the discharge of a firearm within the city limits. Second is the Police Department took it upon themselves to determine no violation of law transpired, a decision typically left to the prosecutorial entity charged with that responsibility by statute.

One can only assume a coverup. It is certainly preferential treatment.

But then, this is commonplace without external oversight. Ever heard the phrase about the coyotes watching the chicken coop?

Without someone,I.e. the citizens, having review authority, you should expect continued coverups.

If you only knew!

blindrabbit 2 years, 4 months ago

Never understood his 1 year high dollar job with KUAD. Was it intended to be only 1 year, if not why did he leave that soon? Was it a gift from Lew Perkins for prior favors? Was the hire part of the KU ticket investigation? Smitty's postings here may indicate that there is much more to learn about the Olin legacy!

classclown 2 years, 4 months ago

"Ever heard the phrase about the coyotes watching the chicken coop?"

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No I have not. However, I have heard the one about the fox guarding the hen house.

Carol Bowen 2 years, 4 months ago

I prefer to mind my own business on this one. I really do not like to read about someone's personal problems sensationalized.

sunflowergal 2 years, 3 months ago

Speaking as an adult child of an Alzheimer's patient: It sounds like he is suffering from dementia. We don't always recoginize that they are already deep into the disease until a major incident happens. This is going to be a major problem for our society as our Baby Boomers age. We Must take precautions to protect the individual and others by changing attitudes and accepting the facts. Many things must change in the home. Doors should be alarmed so you know if they leave, guns must not be accessable at anytime and car keys have to be taken away and hidden. You do not know when they will have an episode that sends them into another realm, a world that only they see but are truly living at the moment and we have no control over or another memory they are re-living. It is agonizing, but maybe we were lucky, no one was hurt and this maybe the wake up call we need. It isn't about some sweet little lady playing tea with dead relatives. This can turn very dangerous quickly, but we must remember they aren't criminals either. It is Our responsibility to make sure they are in a safe environment, safe for them and us.

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