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Koch responds to criticism

April 11, 2012


Craig Grant’s letter (Koch Causes, April 9) is a textbook example of fictitious assertions that have no basis in reality. Where to begin? Koch’s commitment to environmental, health and safety is reflected in the more than 450 awards we have received since President Obama took office. Grant’s notion that we “defund arts and culture” is debunked by the hundreds of millions of dollars we contribute to arts organizations and causes.

On the issue of formaldehyde, Koch companies make and use this compound, which occurs naturally, in some of our manufacturing processes, and we do so in compliance with all laws and regulations. It is also a fact that each of us, including Mr. Grant, produce formaldehyde every day and emit it in every breath we exhale.  

Mr. Grant refers to us as a “top ten polluter,” this according to a partisan index created in concert with a radical socialist group that faults virtually every major manufacturer in America today. Further, the so-called “pollution” tracked by the index is emissions that are permitted by law and carefully regulated by the Environmental Protection Agency. With a U.S. unemployment rate of more than 8 percent, demonizing lawful companies like Koch that continue to manufacture goods in America is counterproductive at best.

Since Mr. Grant misunderstands, or chooses to misrepresent, what we support, here is the truth. Koch supports causes that advance economic freedom and prosperity. We believe in the Bill of Rights, individual freedom, personal responsibility and limited government, not “no government,” as Mr. Grant charges. We believe in honesty and in treating others with dignity and respect. To suggest otherwise (as Mr. Grant purports regarding treatment of women, abortion and gay rights) is unequivocally false.

We employ nearly 50,000 people in the U.S. in good-paying jobs, many of those unionized. We have productive relationships with our unions, but don’t take our word for it. Last year, Jon Geenen, international vice president of United Steelworkers, praised Koch for providing “among the best-paid manufacturing jobs in America,” and stating that Koch “in practice and in general has positive and productive … relationships with its unions.”  

Fair-minded debate and differing points of view are the foundation of this great nation, but let’s base the discussion on hard facts, not fallacy.

— Melissa Cohlmia is director of corporate communication for Koch Companies Public Sector, LLC


jonas_opines 5 years, 11 months ago

Hey, if you can't trust the director of corporate communications, then who can you trust?

Regardless, Koch-hate is somewhat strangely amusing. They're not all that unique in anything that they do (though perhaps more successful than average), which makes me wonder why they get all this attention. Is it just that the name rolls easily off of your tongue?

jonas_opines 5 years, 11 months ago

A Press Secretary? Mwahahahahahhaahaha!!!


You really are just flat incapable of even comprehending that I actually hold mostly disdain for both Republicans and Democrats, aren't you? Let me assure you, just because you are locked into a Red-Team/Blue Team Go Team RARARA mindset when it comes to politics, it doesn't necessarily mean (thankfully), that everybody else is the same.

jonas_opines 5 years, 11 months ago

"Your posts don't necessarily reflect that."

How would you possibly be able to judge that effectively? You have a long and established history of cherry-picking whatever confirms your predisposed positions, and aggressively ignoring everything else. It is abundantly clear over the last decade that in your world there are the arch-conservatives, and everybody else is just a leftist.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"which makes me wonder why they get all this attention. "

Because of the $millions they spend on groups like AFP, Cato Institute, ALEC, etc., and one of the primary goals of that spending is to promote the dismantling of government. They especially want the complete elimination of the regulations Ms. Cohlmia claims they so scrupulously follow (even though there's a great deal of evidence to the contrary.)

jonas_opines 5 years, 11 months ago

That's the point, though. The Koch brothers are NOT at all unique in either being involved in politics or trying to buy politicians. (Neither, for that matter, are Republicans unique in being bought and influenced by powerful groups or corporations).

So why does this one group get so much attention? Perhaps it's just that they're from Kansas?

jaywalker 5 years, 11 months ago

That's a great question, jonas. I've wondered the same thing, and the attention they receive is on the national level.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Why is it such a mystery? They spend $millions to promote narrow self-interests, which has made them the face of the extreme plutocratic corruption that characterizes the current state of American political culture. But I dot think anyone believes they are the only players in that culture of corruption.

jaywalker 5 years, 11 months ago

Your last sentence speaks to jonas' point.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

They aren't the only players, but they are certainly among the most active.

jaywalker 5 years, 11 months ago

That's interesting. I don't know if it's true or not, but that could explain why they've attracted the attention they have. I honestly don't really remember hearing that name (besides their endowment to KU) before the last presidential election or so.

tomatogrower 5 years, 11 months ago

That's in a nutshell. I have no problem with all the other things they do.

Scott Morgan 5 years, 11 months ago

Why should the Koch folks stay out of government? Good grief, Honda, Sony, you name any large Euro business certainly don't. China money influencing our leaders. Nah. We have an administration trying to push a socialist agenda and the Koch folks should sit back and watch.

Evidence keeps pouring in, facts, real facts this wonderful Kansas family is not what the left wing nutz claim.

sci4all 5 years, 11 months ago

Interesting that Koch's defense is given LJW editorial status while Grant's letter was relegated to the word-limited letter-to-the-editor pile. Really, Dolph? Your journalistic acumen couldn't handle Grant's remarks so you had to call in Koch's professional spin jockey and give her your imprimatur? Tsk tsk.

sci4all 5 years, 11 months ago

In IJM's skewed mathematical world apparently "calling out unequal treatment" = "against free speech."

Either IJM doesn't understand the difference between an editorial and a letter to the editor, or he's just trashing me because he disagrees but doesn't have a rational argument.

notaubermime 5 years, 11 months ago

I realize that most large companies are not the most ethical. I also realize that our lives revolve around extremely hazardous chemicals. That said, I have no stomach for Koch. The last thing that company is interested in is a "discussion on hard facts" about the health concerns of formaldehyde. They would rather confuse the issue with the levels of formaldehyde that your body produces, despite the fact that these are relatively zero compared to the level chemical they use.

Then again, maybe I'm just a "radical socialist" like the University of Massachusetts Amherst is: By the way, is name-calling what Koch considers to be a "fair-minded debate"?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

"Radical socialist" can't be classified any other way.

jaywalker 5 years, 11 months ago

That's exceptionally weak, even by your standards. She's referencing a group, not an individual.

jonas_opines 5 years, 11 months ago

No offense, but I honestly consider that to be worse, rather than better. It's the kind of crap that Math and FHNC and Observer do on here All the Time -- laying out labels for large and potentially all-encompassing demographics, that can then be fitted or not fitted to anybody depending on the conveniences of the moment. It's cowardly. You can, at the same time, say something crappy about everybody, and then flee and say that it doesn't apply to anybody in particular. It's still poisoning the dialog, and in a way that is an attempt to discredit enormous swathes of disparate individuals, without having to take responsibility for it in any specific sense.

jaywalker 5 years, 11 months ago

Point taken, though in this case she's (I believe) referencing a solitary consortium, PERI. rather than painting with the broad brush. Not that it makes it much better. I see where you're coming from for sure, like those on here that go to the Fox News well at every turn or conservative = racist. It's certainly cowardly and anti-intellectual.

notaubermime 5 years, 11 months ago

The Political Economics Research Institute is a research and educational institution within a major public university, which also happens to have close ties to the economic department of said university. Calling it a "radical socialist group" is the height of name-calling.

Hugo Chavez is a radical socialist. Fidel Castro is/was a radical socialist. Comparing the PERI with either of them is ludicrous.

jaywalker 5 years, 11 months ago

Kinda like comparing the conservative party to the Taliban. I hear ya.

notaubermime 5 years, 11 months ago

Exactly. I personally prefer that people just go full monty and call their opponents Nazis. You either take it strong to the rim, or you're going home.

How much more awesome would it have been if she had said "There are only two types of people who put Koch in the top 10 worst polluters: people who torture bunnies for fun, and Adolf Hitler"? That's pure gold right there.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 11 months ago

The object lesson is don't be wealthy and legally express your opinions if you don't agree with the current regime.

ThePilgrim 5 years, 11 months ago

Funny how the Koch PR department watches LJW, but Koch Industries does not do any corporate recruiting in Lawrence and KU because the potential candidates would not be likely be able to pass their MBM-centric interview process where they look for like-minded people.

jaywalker 5 years, 11 months ago

" but Koch Industries does not do any corporate recruiting in Lawrence and KU "

Fact or fallacy?

JackMcKee 5 years, 11 months ago

They recruit at KU. The candidates they get at the business school are second and third tier. None of the top grads wants to live in Wichita, primarily, or associate with Kochs.

jaywalker 5 years, 11 months ago

So you verify Pilgrim's post was fallacy, then throw in another of your own?! What the hell's wrong with you people?

ThePilgrim 5 years, 11 months ago

Not fallacy. I specifically heard it from a manager who has worked at Koch for 20+ years.

One of the benefits of living (past tense) in Wichita. Anyone with a degree in Wichita has either worked at Koch, has failed Koch's interview process, or knows someone who works/has worked at Koch.

And yes, True, few want to move to Wichita.

jaywalker 5 years, 11 months ago

Sorry, Pilgrim, but I'm not buying they refuse to mine talent from KU. Since most non-catholic campuses are generally considered bastions of liberalism, that would make an awfully small and limited pool in which to hire good people. Your contention is pure fallacy.

notaubermime 5 years, 11 months ago

Except I actually went to KU and know for a fact that you are wrong. Go ahead and keep speaking in absolutes, though. One of them has to be correct sooner or later.

impska 5 years, 11 months ago

Actually, they recruit pretty much constantly at KU. I assume that they are also the Kochs behind Koch Commons in Summerfield Hall.

I imagine that this is the only reason they've even responded to the criticisms outlined in a letter to the editor in this paper: they don't want students at KU getting a negative impression.

JackMcKee 5 years, 11 months ago

The Koch's don't seem like very bright people. Unethical. Yes. Greedy. No doubt. No different than a lot of people. In a lot of ways they remind me a morbidly obese person at a Chinese buffet.

JackMcKee 5 years, 11 months ago

Can someone translate this guy's posts for me? I lost my paranoid right wing lunatic to English dictionary.

Michael LoBurgio 5 years, 11 months ago

Business lobby, aided by $36,000 from Koch Industries, targets eight Republican incumbents in state Senate for defeat

Michael LoBurgio 5 years, 11 months ago

The Koch brothers…fund the Tea Party, make billions, lay off workers.

As Tea Party Koch Brothers Earned An Extra $11 Billion In Recent Years, They Laid Off Thousands

However, at a time when the Koch brothers were enjoying spectacular financial gains, Koch Industries laid off well over 2,000 people. Using the same approximate “jobs multiplier” Koch Industries used in its study last week, that means Koch Industries extinguished nearly 8,000 jobs in recent years:

Michael LoBurgio 5 years, 11 months ago

Neo-Nazi Tea Party KKK

Koch Industries two bossmen-owners Charles & David Koch created the Tea Party.

Koch Industries two bossmen-owners Charles & David Koch created the Tea Party. David is a twin, and his twin brother has called him and Koch Industries "Organized Crime" on CBS TV without getting sued for slander. Well with over $55,000,000 in CRIMINAL FINES for polluting six states water, air and soil, you can call Koch Industries "Organized Crime", not to mention the $293,000,000 jury award to the parents of Danielle Dawn Smalley for her being killed by Koch negligence while the brothers played politics.

JackMcKee 5 years, 11 months ago

The Koch's gave America Sarah Palin and Joe the (not really a plumber). How much unintentional comedy have we had from these two, along with the rest of the tea party? Without them I never would have witnessed dozens of people on government subsistence protesting entitlement programs. Dumb people attracting more dumb people. If the whole play didn't have such tragic consequences it would be a riot. It's truly Shakespearean.

JackMcKee 5 years, 11 months ago

math is my new stalker. Should I be flattered or scared?

Michael LoBurgio 5 years, 11 months ago

How The Kochs Are Fracking America

The October 2011 issue of Discovery, the in-house Koch Industries newsletter, explains how the Koch Industries empire is profiting from the “really exciting” fracking boom:

– 1. Koch Pipeline is partnering with NuStar Energy to develop a dormant pipeline from Pettus, TX to refineries in Corpus Christi. The pipeline will transport natural gas from fracking sites in southern Texas. Koch Pipeline is a Koch Industries subsidiary.

– 2. Flint Hills Resources recently purchased a small craft pier and wharf in Ingleside, TX to store shipments of natural gas from fracking operations in the Eagle Ford shale formation. Flint Hills Resources is a Koch Industries subsidiary.

– 3. Koch Supply & Trading, a Koch Industries company that deals with commodity trading and financial products, is “already trading Eagle Ford crude” to help supply Koch companies and other customers, according to a Koch Industries newsletter.

– 4. Koch Chemical Technology Group is designing a processing facility near Yoakum, TX to help process natural gas fracked in southern Texas. Koch Chemical is a subsidiary of Koch Industries.

– 5. John Zink, a Koch Industries company, is providing flares for a natural gas processing plant in Helena to service the fracking industry.

– 6. Georgia Pacific produces resins used for chemicals used to prop open micro-fractures, an important process for fracking to occur. GP is a Koch Industries subsidiary.

– 7. Koch Fertilizer, a Koch Industries company, has tapped into increased natural gas production from fracking to develop fertilizer.

Michael LoBurgio 5 years, 11 months ago

ALEC Exposed: The Koch Connection

No one knows how much the Kochs have given ALEC in total, but the amount likely exceeds $1 million—not including a half-million loaned to ALEC when the group was floundering. ALEC gave the Kochs its Adam Smith Free Enterprise Award, and Koch Industries has been one of the select members of ALEC’s corporate board for almost twenty years. The company’s top lobbyist was once ALEC’s chairman. As a result, the Kochs have shaped legislation touching every state in the country. Like ideological venture capitalists, the Kochs have used ALEC as a way to invest in radical ideas and fertilize them with tons of cash

Take environmental protections. The Kochs have a penchant for paying their way out of serious violations and coming out ahead. Helped by Koch Industries’ lobbying efforts, one of the first measures George W. Bush signed into law as governor of Texas was an ALEC model bill giving corporations immunity from penalties if they tell regulators about their own violation of environmental rules. Dozens of other ALEC bills would limit environmental regulations or litigation in ways that would benefit Koch.

oldvet 5 years, 11 months ago

Good grief, did this one go to the Merrill School of Cut and Post... :-(

Liberty275 5 years, 11 months ago

We have a new merril to copy/paste crap from garbage websites. What wrong merril, you can't regurgitate enough thinkprogress, thenation and GVkLpr on your own? Hope you're OK.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 11 months ago

Somebody got their copy/paste button stuck this morning.

Mike Ford 5 years, 11 months ago

talk to the Osage Nation whom you settled with because of a jury trial for ripping them off for oil royalties. or the former chief whom you bamboozled Koch Brothers. try and spin that one. ahalabi (liar).

JackMcKee 5 years, 11 months ago

It's really not hard to make money if you are an unethical sleezball with some rescources. The only thing special about the Kochs is the levels of depravity to which they are willing to stoop.

JackMcKee 5 years, 11 months ago

inheritance is also a pretty valuable skill

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 11 months ago

Just ask Brownback. That's his solution for single mothers dealing with poverty. Marry out of it.

Liberty275 5 years, 11 months ago

Hurry run, the Kochs are burning the swamp down.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Translation-- if you're getting raped, just lie back and enjoy it.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Regulations are laws, as well. Is the rapist excused for the rape by serving a prison sentence?

jafs 5 years, 11 months ago

Yes, as are damages for the deaths they may cause.

Does that make it ok?

jafs 5 years, 11 months ago

No, it's death.

Is it ok with you? You seem to have a rather remarkable ability to accept things that most of us wouldn't accept.

Paul R Getto 5 years, 11 months ago

+1 Good points, and I tend to agree. The Kochs are not evil, just committed. When/if the Sheeple get motivated and understand the issues on all sides, they will log in with their votes. PACs and lobbyists will always be protected by the 1st Amendment and there is nothing wrong with that. Just know why people are giving money, to whom they give it and what they hope to gain. Lobbying can bring returns of sometimes 2-3,000 percent on the 'investment.' We just need to understand that and know what's going on.

The late, great Molly Ivins discussed this more than once: "My favorite tax break in the new budget package is worth $283 million to one corporation: Amway. The company and its top leaders have contributed at least $4 million to the Republican Party during the past four years, so that's a $4 million investment in campaign contributions with a $283 million payoff for Amway.

That's quite a deal; that's better than 70 times your money back. Wall Street may be flying high, but Wall Street can't offer anything like the payoffs people get playing the political system instead of the stock market. " The Kochs and others who contribute expect and get similar returns on their investments in the political process.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Disciples of Ayn Rand find it difficult to believe that not everyone chooses to get everything they want at someone/everyone else's expense.

uncleandyt 5 years, 11 months ago

"big business controlling our political system is"... what's that word?, it starts with an F... Fun?, Fair?, Freedomy?, Foolproof?, I forget

JackMcKee 5 years, 11 months ago

Math wants to talk about George Soros, the veracity of Fox News, anything to avoid the subject of the editorial. There is a good reason for that, the reality of the Kochs is a pretty hideous sight to behold.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

I don't hate the Kochs. I merely believe that their willingness to spend $million to increase their $billions at everyone else's expense is an admirable quality.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

Yet another demonstration of the overwhelming pointlessness of your posts.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 11 months ago

I have no respect for them, but that doesn't mean that I hate them.

You should learn to project less.

deec 5 years, 11 months ago

"For the love of money is the root of all evil..."

jimmyjms 5 years, 11 months ago

Leaving aside the allegations made by both parties, this response is a violation of nearly every tenent of public relations SOP. So some crank in a very small market local paper called you out. By responding Ms. Cohlmia is merely keeping these charges top of mind, and generating more posts about Koch. She then addresses some charges in more detail, but leaves others unmentioned...are those charges true, then? Also, calling an unnamed index part of a "radical socialist group" does not engender any confidence in the unbiased-ness of her corporate communication.

Bad, bad form.

One would think that a company the size of Koch Companies would employ a competent communications director. This response looks like the work of a first-year j-school student.

Paul R Getto 5 years, 11 months ago

Good points. Elephants like the Kochs don't need to respond to ants.

JackMcKee 5 years, 11 months ago

The Kochs have lost their stealth ability to fund astroturf front groups. This means they now have to pay 10 times more to get half the results. The salad days are over for the Kochs. Maybe some day, hopefully, they will have to eat sand.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 11 months ago

Any Walton Wal-Mart /Koch/ Brownback appointee is likely not republican like Sam Brownback.

It's hard to give it up BUT the repub party was taken over by the Bush family of politicians and Falwell nutty, power hungry,bogus, and money grubbing Christians. With a taste of Libertarian Facism in the mix.

These people are hard core in their belief that corp America and/or government should have control of all facets of our lives and our tax dollars. This group absolutely believes in legislating morality and capturing our tax dollars in their corrupt fashion.

Koch sponsored Sam Brownback was an error of monumental proportions who has no respect for republicans,democrats or any other source that disagrees. The man deserves to be recalled

Flap Doodle 5 years, 11 months ago

The ghost of Richard Nixon must envy the current regime's skill in creating and managing an enemies list.

jonas_opines 5 years, 11 months ago

Lol, the 2008 election really just broke your poor mind, didn't it?

Richard Heckler 5 years, 11 months ago

Grover Norquist and Koch Brothers

What short memories would be republicans have. Yes being led around by the likes of Grover Grover Norquist,Newt Gingrich, Charles and David Koch and Turd Blossom(Karl Rove). Yes those Koch brothers are funding anti insurance reform tea baggers.... Funding the Tea Baggers in general.

These so called republicans are for reduced wages across the board thus wallets smaller.

The Koch Brothers

Oh yes controlling state and federal government behind closed doors which seemingly would violate the open meetings act:

Unlike many other organizations, ALEC’s membership includes both state lawmakers and corporate executives who gather behind closed doors to discuss and vote on model legislation.

In recent months, ALEC has come under increasing scrutiny for its role in drafting bills to: attack workers’ rights roll back environmental regulations privatize education funded with our tax dollars deregulate major industries * passing voter ID laws.

Nonetheless, this year’s annual ALEC meeting boasts the largest attendance in five years, with nearly 2,000 guests in attendance. Center for Media and Democracy organization released 800 model bills approved by companies and lawmakers at recent ALEC meetings.

kochmoney 5 years, 11 months ago

And that muddled mess of talking point vomit had anything to do with the Koch efforts to astroturf why? Oh right, it didn't.

kochmoney 5 years, 11 months ago

And again. Your post had nothing to do with his other than attempting to link the word "astroturf" to someone you don't like. Doesn't mean that he's wrong. It just means you're not making a logical argument. Or sense.

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

'so-called “pollution” tracked by the index is emissions that are permitted by law " so if you can read double speak, except for when their are caught and fined their pollution is not pollution but only emissions. Comparing their industrial spew to my burbs or exhales is ludicrous, but only to thinking people. To a spinner it sounds just right. Rot. Economic freedom, freedom from fair tax. When they appear in ads promoting their hate and radicalism it is in the guise of a caring mother of two.

Liberty275 5 years, 11 months ago

Innocent until proven guilty. Spin that.

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

a lot of bad characters were never indited. I don't judge by arrest records. i do no find the Koch's to be of good character. i think they harm this country.

Armstrong 5 years, 11 months ago

Can't imagine the Koch's are losing a minutes sleep over what the far left thinks anyway.

jafs 5 years, 11 months ago

And yet they had their communications director write this letter.

Armstrong 5 years, 11 months ago

Ooooh a letter. To the Koch's Lawrence is one of those annoying bugs you squash

jafs 5 years, 11 months ago

Well, if they don't care what the "far left" thinks, why take the time and trouble to write a letter to the editor of this paper trying to refute some claims in a previous letter?

And, that's a lovely sentiment there - good to know you like and support such an attitude.

It's quite reflective of one of the major problems in our society today - thank you for bringing it to light so clearly.

JackMcKee 5 years, 11 months ago

Even despots and dictators have ministers of propaganda. What's the fun in having billions if you can't use it to bully the little people?

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

I agree with you, I have seen no sense of conscience, could possibly be psychopaths, I don't know. I have never understood populations that destroy their own country out of greed. My bet is they sleep great.

pace 5 years, 11 months ago

If you really want tax money, form a corporation in Kansas, Call it "Job Creators Inc" and then attend private dinners with Slimback, oops I mean Brownslime, oops , I mean raise taxes on workers, cut education, give to billionaires, the supreme Governor Brownback.

kochmoney 5 years, 11 months ago

It's down to 50,000 jobs now, is it? Used to be at least 20% higher than that, and yet the Kochs have seen record profits. Why is that we need to give them more tax cuts again? How does that help them hire more people when they can't manage to funnel their record profits back into the workforce?

I love the Koch "some of my best friends are black" response about unions. They've actively worked to undermine unions and collective bargaining rights with their political donations and affiliations. That's documented. Just because you're willing to buy companies that are already unionized doesn't mean you wouldn't rather get rid of unions and are playing the long game by weakening them politically. Does Koch own a company that unionized after being purchased by them? Does Koch support any politicians that gathered huge amounts of union support? Just curious.

But in the end, I don't really care that they have a lot of money, and I figure that their labor negotiations with their employees are their concern and not mine. What I do care about is how they're buying politicians - including the guy who wants to cut taxes for the rich and raise them for the poor in this state. Including a couple of Supreme Court justices who decided that getting pulled over for no reason was a hunky dory grounds for a strip search. I care about how they're claiming to support "freedom" and "small government," while taking government subsidies for themselves and buying politicians that take away our freedoms.

As long as you're putting this much money into our political system, I'm going to continue to hold you accountable for every lousy action, bad mistake, and stupid idea the politicians you back take. That includes defunding the arts right here in Kansas. I don't care if you gave some money to a ballet. You pushed a guy into office that took away our funding for ballet lessons for children. You're perfectly welcome to replace the money in the Kansas Arts Foundation if you'd care to prove me wrong. Uh huh. I didn't think so.

guess_again 5 years, 11 months ago

I was waiting for Ms.Cohlmia to explain the John Birch Society for us. Didn't see it. I wonder what awards they received for starting this political movement?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 11 months ago

Who will be the next target of the current regime's howling mob? Stay tuned...

Boston_Corbett 5 years, 11 months ago

Tsk,tsk, snap. When you invoke hyperbole-speak, like "regime," you leave the world of the rational, and appear to be hanging out with Marion and Shewman.

Boston_Corbett 5 years, 11 months ago

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wastewatcher 5 years, 11 months ago

Craig Grant is a lifelong liberal who has sucked on the taxpayer, his fellow union members and or the democrat party all of his life. He is a well known democrat activist who is very good at spinning the facts and telling stories without regard to the truth. I would urge everyone to read any of Craig's writings with a grain of salt and remember the authors background and his roots.

jafs 5 years, 11 months ago

While the communications director of Koch industries is an unbiased and trustworthy source??

camper 5 years, 11 months ago

For starters, I am not going to listen to a Koch representative to form my opinion on formaldehyde. But this statement looked naive and stupid enough for me to do a little research. And yes, the statement below is stupid, and would be the standard industry line:

"It is also a fact that each of us, including Mr. Grant, produce formaldehyde every day and emit it in every breath we exhale."

Yes formaldehyde is naturally occuring, but when only 1 part per billion (PPB) is associated with nasal and sinus irritation, I am hesitant to believe that chemically formed (industrial) formaldehyde is something we should not be concerned about.

For this reason, I aint buying what the writer of this letter is saying.

camper 5 years, 11 months ago

Oceanic oil leaks also develop naturally. For this reason, we should not be concerned about oil spills.

Mold is natural. Therefore we should not be concerned about indoor mold.

Asbestos can be detected outside. For this reason we should not be concerned about it either.

I think I might be good as a "Corporate Spokesman". These are the tuff things you gotta say and come up with. These are all standard lines commonly used in the Biz.

camper 5 years, 11 months ago

What in the world is the communications director of a large multi-national corporation reponding to one citizen, by name, in a letter to a mid-sized town newspaper? This is juvenile, and very unprofessional. I am surprised that such a prestigious company would respond in this manner.

Modern day David Vs. Goliath.

jonas_opines 5 years, 11 months ago

Kind of like the governor's office of an entire state taking action in response to a single tweet of a teenaged girl.

camper 5 years, 11 months ago

What kind of Koch products can I now begin to boycot?

Paul R Getto 5 years, 11 months ago

Could be hard to do with many of their products, but here are a few to think about:

Georgia-Pacific LLC, based in Atlanta, and its subsidiaries, have approximately 300 manufacturing facilities across North America, South America and Europe, ranging from large pulp, paper and tissue operations to gypsum plants, box plants and building products operations, and more than 40,000 employees worldwide.

Georgia-Pacific’s familiar consumer brands in North America include Quilted Northern®, Angel Soft®, Brawny®, Sparkle® , Soft 'n Gentle®, Mardi Gras®, Vanity Fair®, and the Dixie® brand of tabletop products. The company’s leading European brands include Lotus®, Colhogar®, Delica®, Tenderly® and the Demak'Up® brand of facial cleansing products. The company also markets paper towel, napkin and soap dispensing systems used in commerical settings.

Bob_Keeshan 5 years, 11 months ago

A breakdown of the awards Koch has received since President Obama took office:

449 awards -- presented by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)

1 awards -- presented by Americans for Prosperity (AFP)

Yup, that's 450 awards alright.

booyalab 5 years, 11 months ago

Because they make so many of them? Those bastards.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 11 months ago

Voting can work

The voting process can work. Do as Ralph Nader has been suggesting for years. Replace 90% of incumbents each voting cycle. Perhaps Occupy can get this off the ground.

I say replace all republicans with green party thinkers and 90% of democrats with new democrats each voting cycle. This retains the two party system.

Think this way..... maybe? Why do we americans vote in the right wing rich which are supported by too many of the rich to make decisions for the entire middle class and low income?

Too many of the rich want to destroy the middle class so they have sent tens of millions of middle class jobs abroad with no job replacement in sight. Isn't their something wrong with this picture?

Ask yourself why do we voters tend to vote for the largest spending candidates? What good has this choice been for the USA or our local government?

Let's demand a new system and vote in Fair Vote America : Demand a change on the next ballot.

Let's have public financing of campaigns. Citizens cannot afford special interest money campaigns for it is the citizens that get left out. Let citizens vote on this issue.

Bribery of elected officials and bribed officials = the most stinky of all bribery!

Flap Doodle 5 years, 11 months ago

You've spammed three threads so far today with this same drivel, merrill. Have to posted it 1000 times yet on this award-winning website? BTW, the current occupant of 1600 Penn Ave. is a product of the most corrupt bribery-driven political machine in America. Very stinky I say! (from a source)

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