Archive for Tuesday, September 13, 2011

Bashed by rivals, Perry defends his record at debate

September 13, 2011


— Attacked from all sides by fellow Republicans, Texas Gov. Rick Perry softened his rhetoric if not his position on Social Security in a crackling presidential campaign debate Monday night. He fended off assaults on his record creating jobs and requiring the vaccination of schoolgirls against a cancer-causing sexually transmitted virus.

Across a fractious two-hour debate before a boisterous tea party crowd, the front-runner in opinion polls gave little ground and frequently jabbed back, particularly at his chief rival, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

But the criticism of Perry kept coming — from Romney on Social Security, from Texas Rep. Ron Paul saying the governor had raised taxes, from Rep. Michele Bachmann and former Sen. Rick Santorum assailing his executive order to require Texas schoolgirls to get a STD vaccine and more.

Perry bristled only once, when Bachmann seemed to suggest a connection between his executive order on the vaccinations and campaign contributions he received in Texas. “I’m offended,” he said, if she had questioned his integrity.

Monday night’s faceoff marked the first time in a season of debates that internal Republican differences dominated rather than a common eagerness to unseat Democratic President Barack Obama. Social Security was a key issue.

“A program that’s been there 70 or 80 years, obviously we’re not going to take that away,” Perry said in the debate’s opening moments as Romney pressed him on his earlier statements questioning the constitutionality of Social Security and calling it a Ponzi scheme.

The Texas governor counter-attacked quickly, accusing Romney of “trying to scare seniors” with his own comments on a program that tens of millions of Americans, including millions in the debate state of Florida alone, rely on for part or all of their retirement income.

The eight rivals shared a debate stage for the second time in less than a week. The encounter was sponsored by tea party groups and by CNN.


kansanjayhawk 6 years, 9 months ago

Mr. Perry did not mean to imply he could be bought just that the amount in question was small in context of his 3o million dollar campaign. Perry still has alot of questions to answer about his immigration stance--why should they get in-state tuition benefits--and his support for the HPV mandate. However, in the context of the Republican primary he did a reasonable job defending himself. I wish the Republicans would have reminded the American people about the vast corporate tit for tat that Mr. Obama has been involved in! Both of these parties need to be reformed and changed by people in both parties who demand honesty and integrity in gov't!

jaywalker 6 years, 9 months ago

What exactly is the rub with the vaccination issue? Sounds logical and health conscious to me.

jonas_opines 6 years, 9 months ago

It's probably one of those: "Permission for girls to have sex" things that only exists in the minds of true right-wingers, and that only because it's a cover, even to themselves, for their more-primal view that women should be punished for being "loose."

jaywalker 6 years, 9 months ago

Aaah! Now I get it. Silly me, I was looking for a logical or maybe health related reason for the criticism. But you both focused me in on the real deal: Neanderthal mentality from the religious right. Honestly, I feel a tad daft for not catching that immediately. Thanks for the response.

jonas_opines 6 years, 9 months ago

Oh, no problem. I actually view it as a slightly favorable sign for Perry, though I don't know enough about his political history to say for certain.

At any rate, I'm still not gonna vote for him. Gridlock from split power is not good, sure, but it's a hell of a lot better than when one party has control, as evidenced by most of 2002-2010.

jaywalker 6 years, 9 months ago

Couldn't agree more. Sure would be nice if a third party or an independent actually stood a chance, though our party system, no matter the numbers, needs some serious re-vamping.
And I don't see any way I vote for any of the current candidates. I do like Herman Cain quite a bit, but he has only a slightly better shot than I do. It is refreshing that Perry stood against the zealots on that issue, but I'm not a fan of someone who thinks evolution is an unproven theory. I have faith, but logic must also have its say.

chootspa 6 years, 9 months ago

Perry used to be a Democrat, but then he drank the tea and had a party.

chootspa 6 years, 9 months ago

They've gone looking for alleged side effects and conflicts of interest to disguise the true fear, but that's it in a nutshell.

chootspa 6 years, 9 months ago

Preventing women from getting cancer is icky because it involves a vaccine against a commonly spread STD. We all know conservatives only have virtuous girls who marry virtuous men and never never engage in premarital sex or stray once they're married, and the idea that those pre-teens will ever have sex in the first place when they grow up makes you a perv for even mentioning it. Also the freedom of not dying from cervical cancer will turn them all into sluts. Plus one time, I heard about this one girl who got the shot, and she ended up dying the very next day in a car wreck. Garvasil causes car wrecks!!1

somedude20 6 years, 9 months ago

heck most of the repub sex scandals have been with the same gender (and there is nothing wrong with that other than the repubs caught have all been anti-gay and take away gay rights) just like the joker said: you ever tap your foot with a republican under a bathroon stall?

jaywalker 6 years, 9 months ago

Oops! Now we've gone from bucking the establishment to possible corruption. That's not pretty. Sorry I didn't see your post earlier, thanks for the info.

gr 6 years, 9 months ago

So why is everyone wanting to promote big business?

Whatever happened to women's choice to do with what she wishes with her body?

Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

What does the RINO party represent? Criminal economics and millions upon millions upon millions of lost jobs,retirement plans and medical insurance coverage = economic terrorists!!!

The proof is in the pudding!

The pudding:

After spending so so many decades in Washington D.C on tax dollar payrolls RINO’s are sure they learned all they needed to know about OUR money and founding reckless economies. RINO’s have much experience under their belts that they never quit sharing.

Introducing the RINO Economic Plaftorm Written In Stone:

  1. TABOR is Coming by Grover Norquist and Koch Bros sells out state governments, public schools,SRS services etc etc to private industry = Grab Your Wallets!

  1. The Reagan/Bush Savings and under Bush/Cheney sent the economy out the window costing taxpayers many many $$ Loan Heist(Cost taxpayers $1.4 trillion), millions of jobs.loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance.

  2. Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers $ trillions, millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance.

  3. ONLY 3 financial institutions instead of several were at risk so why $700 billion in bail out money? One of the biggest lies perpetrated to Amercan citizens

Tax cuts which do nothing to make an economy strong or produce jobs. Tax cuts are a tax increase to others in order to make up the loss in revenue = duped again.

  1. Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts - The ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class = duped one more time.

In the end big debt and super duper bailouts were the results which does not seem to bother Republicans, as long as they are in power.

In fact, by the time the second Bush left office, the national debt had grown to $12.1 trillion:

  • Over half of that amount had been created by Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy.

  • Another 30% of the national debt had been created by the tax cuts for the wealthy under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

• Fully 81% of the national debt was created by just these three Republican Presidents.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 6 years, 9 months ago

It is high time that folks started realizing just what Pery really is. He is just another Texas windbag in the mold of GW Shrub and LBJ. He unabashdely takes credit for the hard workof the citizens of the state of Texas. He bellows his religious doctrine as some sort of official state religion, in the mold of the sharia muslim law. He is a phony, a crackpot, and just another wannabe (of what, I do not know).

It would be good for the GOP to shelve this guy, but that would then mean yet another negative of the Republican Terrorist Tea Bag Palinist party would be squashed.

So I say, "Rave on O anointed high priest of religious dogma" I think that most intelligent persons have arrived at the fact that these politicians who wear religion on their arm bands are as phony as a 3 dollar bill and dismiss them as another false prophet.

somedude20 6 years, 9 months ago

Anyone remember that 1989 movie "Leviathan" starring Peter "Robocop" Weller and Richard Crenna? When the monster gets you, you become part of the creature (you merge with it) imagine if there was a Perry leviathan that merged with Bachmann, Ricky, Paul, Newt and Mitt(ens)...that would be scary (the monster would possess magic underpants too)

Paul R Getto 6 years, 9 months ago

It IS interesting to watch the Republicans eat their young. The debates are getting old, but the only two left to 'worry' about are Mitt and Governor Hair. The rest are just biding their time. Bachmann had her last chance last night and it appears her only campaign promise is to deny as many people as possible access to health care. Her money is drying up and she's just about done. Frankly, I still think the Pizza guy and Newt make as much sense as any of the bunch, but they are finished too.

imastinker 6 years, 9 months ago

This is just sad. THis is exactly what is wrong with the republican party.

There's probably a whole bunch of folks sitting there talking about how the devil sent Rick Perry to make girls more promiscuous and how Michelle Bachmann is here to save womankind from him. Those people vote too!

Show me a politician who actually wants to talk about the issues, like how both parties are trying their best to bankrupt this country via excessive spending and "jobs bills."

Paul R Getto 6 years, 9 months ago

KJH: "I wish the Republicans would have reminded the American people about the vast corporate tit for tat that Mr. Obama has been involved in! Both of these parties need to be reformed and changed by people in both parties who demand honesty and integrity in gov't! " ==== I tend to agree, but it's up to the sheeple to push this idea and they are not interested in cutting off their own gravy train. Some things are standing in the way of your vision, however, the Constitution, legal precedent and a vast entrenchment that gives us what we really want: benefits we are unwilling to pay for. Good luck, though and remember: "Money is speech and corporations are people."

melott 6 years, 9 months ago

Actually, I thought Ron Paul made some very good points. But it got him booed.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

I say Perry will be the choice given to the RINO party. This is who the back door leadership wants and the money is waiting.

The back door leadership:

  • Charles Krauthammer

    • William Kristol,
    • Robert Kagan
    • Bruce P. Jackson
    • Mark Gerson
    • Randy Scheunemann
    • Ellen Bork
    • Gary Schmitt
    • Thomas Donnelly
    • Reuel Marc Gerecht
    • Mitch Jackson
    • Timothy Lehmann
    • Michael Goldfarb
    • Daniel McKivergan
    • Elliott Abrams
    • Gary Bauer
    • William J. Bennett
    • John Ellis "Jeb" Bush
    • Richard B. Cheney
    • Eliot A. Cohen
    • Midge Decter
    • Paula Dobriansky
    • Steve Forbes
    • Aaron Friedberg
    • Francis Fukuyama
    • Frank Gaffney
    • Fred C. Ikle
    • Donald Kagan
    • Zalmay Khalilzad
    • I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
    • Norman Podhoretz
    • J. Danforth Quayle
    • Peter W. Rodman
    • Stephen P. Rosen
    • Henry S. Rowen
    • Donald Rumsfeld
    • Vin Weber
    • George Weigel
    • Paul Wolfowitz
    • Elliott Abrams]
    • Kenneth Adelman
    • Richard V. Allen
    • Richard L. Armitage
    • Jeffrey Bell
    • Jeffrey Bergner
    • John Bolton
    • Rudy Boschwitz
    • Linda Chavez]
    • Eliot Cohen[
    • Seth Cropsey
    • Midge Decter
    • Paula Dobriansky
    • Thomas Donnelly
    • Nicholas Eberstadt
    • Hillel Fradkin
    • Aaron Friedberg
    • Francis Fukuyama
    • Frank Gaffney
    • Jeffrey Gedmin
    • Reuel Marc Gerecht
    • Charles Hill
    • Eli S. Jacobs
    • Michael Joyce
    • Stephen Kantany

A common denominator = AEI (American Enterprise Institute) and: "Rebuilding America's Defences" which openly advocates for total global USA military domination.

A very dangerous foreign policy position that which perpetually threatens OUR freedoms, the nations security and OUR economy.

beatrice 6 years, 9 months ago

Hearing people in the tea party audience yelling that those without insurance should just be allowed to die if they need medical help was just sad. The fact that not a single person on that stage corrected that view is even sadder.

I'm not sure any line will top the first debate, when Paul said that he liked what Reagan had to say, just not what Reagan did. That was classic.

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