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Rollover accident reported at County Road 1057 and K-10

September 10, 2011

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A rollover accident was reported at County Road 1057 and K-10 just west of Eudora. It occurred at roughly 8:15 p.m.

Check back to LJWorld.com for updates.

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oneeye_wilbur 2 years, 10 months ago

Face it. It's a death trap highway, speed or no speed. The highway is built wrong, engineered wrong.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 10 months ago

It's a death trap only because drivers simply drive on it way to fast and simply don't pay attention, thinking that it's safe to do so.

A while back, I read a commenter on this forum that claimed that it was perfectly safe to play some sort of game on his phone while driving on K-10, because nothing could ever possibly happen on that road.

And, I also read about a study that was done in Sweden some years back. It was about the relative number of accidents and fatalities on roads that appear "safe" compared with those that appear to be "dangerous".

The result of the study was that the roads that appeared to the drivers to be "dangerous" actually had a lower accident rate, apparently because since the road "looked dangerous" the drivers simply paid more attention.

I am convinced that if the drivers on K-10 were watching the road instead of texting or whatever they are doing instead of paying attention to their driving, that road is as safe as an highway possibly can be.

So, oneeye_wilbur, what do you think should be done? Hire you for a highway engineer?

Maybe put in speed bumps every 1/4 mile? Actually, that would probably be a good idea.

How is it built wrong? Is it too smooth? Or is it that the curves are too gentle?

Maybe it should be a very winding road with a lot of blind hills, and instead of it being a limited access highway, there should be stop signs to access it?

Maybe the problem is that it's 2 lanes in each direction, and should instead be simply a 2 lane highway like it was before it was rebuilt. A whole lot of money was sure wasted if that is the case.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 10 months ago

But, on the other hand, oneeye_wilbur does have a point.

It's so awfully difficult to keep your car right side up.

It's just so very easy to lose your balance while you're driving, you know.

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verity 2 years, 10 months ago

"It's so awfully difficult to keep your car right side up. It's just so very easy to lose your balance while you're driving, you know."

Now that's just funny.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 10 months ago

Here's a fact:

If careful driving and the wearing of seat belts are inherited characteristics, we are seeing evolution acting a whole lot faster than it ever has before.

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David Albertson 2 years, 10 months ago

There is nothing wrong with the highway. It's the idiot drivers that cause all the problems. I don't know how many times I've been driving 75 or 80 and people get right on my ass. It's like if you're not doing 90+ you're in the way. Where are the cops when you need them?

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password 2 years, 10 months ago

I agree. Went to KC today on K-10 and it was the scariest road trip I ever took. Apparently some drivers seem to think they are invincible.

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IrishCat 2 years, 10 months ago

I used to have to drive back and forth to JCCC several times a week and I'm telling you, I'd be driving the speed limit and people continually passed me so fast it felt like I was parked. Are they really in that big of a hurry to get home? By the time I'd get to class I'd have knuckle impressions in my steering wheel...it's crazy out there!

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Jake Hess 2 years, 10 months ago

I drive daily on K-10 and have a few comments. One, whether or not you're going to speed, maintain a safe following distance. You need time to brake if a driver slows down unexpectedly. Second, IMHO, the highway is too congested during rush hour times. It desperately needs to be widened to six lanes from Lawrence to I-435 to solve this. Think about it: I-70 from Lawrence to Topeka is six lanes, and K-10 makes that stretch look like a hurricane evacuation in progress. If the Topeka-Lawrence I-70 corridor were still four lanes, it would look completely the same as K-10. I say widen K-10 to three lanes in either direction in order to keep up with the quite possibly annually increasing commuter saturation. A little tweaking on the speed limit to 75 might be an improvement too, but given all the accidents, I can't say the move would get much community support.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 10 months ago

There are always going to be those hardcore diehards that think the speed limit on K-10 should be 100 mph.

They will have arguments for it that seem good to them. And the conclusion of their arguments is that a speed limit of 100 mph would result in fewer accidents.

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Zombie79 2 years, 10 months ago

I wish people would stop acting like k-10 is any more dangerous than any other road. I drove by this accident shortly after it happened. It appeared to me that the car had been traveling on the county road.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 10 months ago

But it happened near K-10, and that's what's important!

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Cai 2 years, 10 months ago

I personally, love the updates we got on this article. From what's written here, we still really have ZERO idea of what happened. And, validity aside, it's tough to say which (if any) of these opinions are actually relevant here.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 10 months ago

If we had reports of every accident, followed by updates, of every accident that occurred in Douglas county, it would be necessary to wade through an awful lot of the newspaper to read about coverage of anything else.

The sad fact is, only a tiny fraction of the the accidents that occur are covered in the newspaper at all. They are just simply not newsworthy, because they happen several times every single day.

To verify that, you can look at the Lawrence Police Department's web site that lists the circumstances of every reported accident. But that only covers the reported ones, and it only covers the ones that were reported within the city of Lawrence.

I know for a fact that the police don't even know about all the accidents from personal experience: I saw one happen right in front of me that was only a hairsbreadth from being a fatal multicar crash, but it only resulted in a big bang and several pieces of two cars being flung all over 6th Street.

For a few days I looked on the police website for coverage about that one, because I thought that I might be helpful as a witness. I had wanted the driver of the car I was a passenger in to stop so the police could have an unbiased account of what the drivers had done, but he refused to do so.

Both of the drivers appeared to have been at fault to me. But that accident never was reported to the police at all. That surprised me, because one of them appeared to be a rather expensive BMW.

Car accidents are usually only covered when injuries or death occur, or when the editorial staff thinks that the public might be interested.

And of course, all accidents on K-10 are going to be of interest to the community, because the public seems to be convinced that it's such a "dangerous" road.

So unless injuries occurred as a result of someone either driving to fast to keep his car on the road, or someone got hurt because the driver simply drove off the road and into the ditch at a normal speed, don't expect updates on this one.

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Cai 2 years, 10 months ago

wasn't necessarily expecting updates (other than the minor point of LJW said there would be. But...I'll keep that opinion to myself. ;) )

However, the rest is exactly my point. There is simply not enough information here to justify some of the opinions that are being written.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 10 months ago

The Moral Of This Story Is:

If you can't keep your car right side up, don't buy a convertible.

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richh 2 years, 10 months ago

Oh no, there is other one on K-10 again! I recommend that road need to change the speed sign from 70 to 60! Everyday, I go to work from Eudora to Lawrence and I always to stay with under 70 mph, average 30-40 cars pass me as they drive too fast as 80 mph! Where are the highway patrol cars?

Last week, I saw one lady who drove and pass me as 75-80 while her use make up on her face with mirror! Other day, the guy who has the BMW car and keeps driving fast and passes me while he read the newspaper as same time hold on the wheel! Yesterday afternoon, several people were talking on their cell phone and text message while they were driving to KU football game!

After work last Friday afternoon and I drove home. One motorcycle drove real fast like 85-90 mph on the K-10!

Slow down and keep your eyes on the road!

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Jake Hess 2 years, 10 months ago

One of the worst things you can do is drive slower than 70, and the speed limit should not be reduced, IMO. You will only add to the already enormous congestion. Go with the flow, drive the speed limit, and if you must drive 60, I'd suggest taking an alternate route, like old highway 10 or 32. The only vehicles driving that slow should be heavy trucks or buses.

I agree with you, more highway patrol cars are needed. And god sakes, people need to put down their cell phones, makeup, whatever. The road is way too busy for that kind of negligent (and unsafe!) behavior.

The sad truth is, some will always speed, and two, some will always take their eyes off the road. The best thing you can do for yourself and others is to be a safe driver.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 10 months ago

"The best thing you can do for yourself and others is to be a safe driver."

That's partly, but not completely, true. The very best thing that you can do is to not drive at all unless it is absolutely necessary to do so.

You should leave your parked if you can, because although parked cars are often involved in accidents, their owners are rarely injured.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 10 months ago

And I know all about that from experience! Twice someone drove into my legally parked car.

There were a couple things about those events that were rather strange.

One was that both times, my car was parked right in front of my house.

And once, it was a police officer driving his patrol car that drove into my parked car. He was not involved in any kind of chase at the time, and he came up with a couple different stories about how that had happened.

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Deja Coffin 2 years, 10 months ago

I'm guessing it involved a Krispy Kreme and a floor board. :-)

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 10 months ago

There were no curves, there were no other cars around, and it happened in broad daylight.

At first the police officer claimed he was looking at something to his left. (Instead of watching the road!)

Then later, he claimed he thought he heard someone squealing tires behind him, so he turned around and looked.

Actually, there was not much damage to my car, and the crease on the left rear fender didn't really show all that much. I believe that the police car got the worst of it.

But I'll never forget how funny it was to see the police officer standing there afterwards, looking so guilty!

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Stu Clark 2 years, 10 months ago

This is dangerous nonsense! It has always been the responsibility of the overtaking driver to avoid the car ahead. Sixty in a 70 zone should not be unsafe. If it is, it is the fault of the overtaking driver, period.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 10 months ago

The law is very clear. It states that you are correct.

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CreatureComforts 2 years, 10 months ago

"...the guy who has the BMW car..."

Oh, you mean Dave? I think that's the only BMW in the KC metro area.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 10 months ago

It seems to me that blowing millions upon millions upon millions of tax dollars for rush hour traffic is insane. Rush hour is such a short period of time twice a day.

Perhaps moving closer to employment could be a solution. Or renting an apartment until work week is over = might be less expensive than gasoline. Apartments may well cost less in KCMO metro than Lawrence. After all speeding eliminates decent gas mileage so maybe an apartment is a fiscal responsible thought.

Yes tailgating is a serious K-10 problem = where is law enforcement. Too busy with speeders.

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CreatureComforts 2 years, 10 months ago

This is very, very unrealistic. In today's economy when many people need to take whatever job they can get, one cannot always be close to home. Add to that the fact that even if they wanted to move closer to work, selling their house can be a nightmare...add to that people not wanting to move their kids from their schools, their activities, their friends simply to save some money.

And apartments in the KCMO area ARE often cheaper...but not by that much. It makes no fiscal sense to have an apartment in KCMO and a house in Lawrence. And what, people are just supposed to stay away from their families for the whole week simply to save an 80 mile commute each day/400 miles each week? Talk about a terrible lifestyle...

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hipper_than_hip 2 years, 10 months ago

Regardless of the speed limit, you should drive as fast (or as slow) as the normal flow of traffic. If you don't feel comfortable with the speed (either too fast or too slow for your comfort) then you should find an alternate route or change the time when you drive.

If you don't like driving fast, don't travel during rush hour. Traveling from OP to Lawrence is much less stressful at 6:00pm than at 4:30pm.

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CreatureComforts 2 years, 10 months ago

I'll take a line from Top Gear...roughly, since I cannot remember the exact quote - "they seem to think we're all driving around at 8am just to be really annoying."

People drive during rush hour because they have to be at work. Most employers have set hours of 8 to 5 or 8:30 to 5 or something like that. Some places are flexible, but I would say far from a majority. I bet a lot of people would love to avoid peak rush hour, but that doesn't mean they can.

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Zombie79 2 years, 10 months ago

HOW ABOUT WE GET AN UPDATE! Hope everyone was okay.

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