Archive for Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Kansas will stay in BCS

September 6, 2011


The last time conference realignment threatened to blow up the Big 12, a move to the Big East for four schools, including Kansas University, came closer than most realize, according to an insider with strong ties to one of the conferences.

The plan called for the Big East basketball tournament remaining at Madison Square Garden in New York and the football championship game alternating between Giants Stadium in New Jersey and Arrowhead Stadium.

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri would have headed to the Big East, forming a 12-team football league.

The Big 12 stayed together, and the Big East added TCU, bringing to nine the number of football schools it will field in 2012. It would rather have 12. That’s why Kansas and Missouri need not worry about getting left out of the BCS musical-chairs game, with the Big East being a nice fall-back position. The New York Post reported that the Big East already has extended an offer to KU, K-State and MU. Iowa State will have to look for another home, probably not a BCS one.

Yet, before KU and Mizzou head east, the rivals might want to take one last shot at heading north, each school lobbying hard for the other, trying to sell the Big Ten on the value of locking up the college-intense Kansas City market. Missouri alone doesn’t bring enough of Kansas City to warrant an invitation without KU, which has a stronger KC presence. Illinois and Missouri would give the Big Ten nice penetration in St. Louis, but that’s more of a pro market.

The problem: Kansas and Missouri bring one new TV market and don’t have stadiums large enough to make the Big Ten members interested in sharing revenue equally.

The Big Ten is the least likely destination, ranking behind the Big East and Pac-12. ESPN Radio reported that Texas turned down the Pac-12. That might make that conference interested in adding Kansas and Missouri along with soon-to-be-new members Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.

Here’s how the divisions would look in a Pac-16, grouped by travel partners: West: UCLA and USC, Cal-Berkeley and Stanford, Oregon and Oregon State, Washington and Washington State. East: Arizona and Arizona State, Colorado and Utah, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, Kansas and Missouri.

The Big East football divisions, with three new members from the Big 12, likely would shape up this way: East: Connecticut, Rutgers, South Florida, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and West Virginia. West: Cincinnati, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Missouri and TCU.

With just one Texas school in the Big East, recruiting football players from Texas becomes tougher for KU.

Should Kansas land in the Pac-16, non-revenue sports likely would play games against teams from their own division and might not face the others until the postseason tournament in order to reduce travel time and costs.


irvan moore 6 years, 8 months ago

I think our biggest problem is that we don't have a chancellor with the experience, connections, or the interest to be proactive in getting us the best situation. The new athletic director is going to need backing and a lot of free rein to make decisions in a hurry and I don't see that being the case in this situation.

Jayhawk1963 6 years, 8 months ago

I agree !! If KU and MU were fortunate enough to get an invitation from the PAC12, they both would be INSANE to not jump on it. This would be a great solution for KU; they would move to a more prestigious and stable conference along with 4 of their old BIG8 rivals. And, they would be rid of the Texas cancer once and for all !!!

The problems are: 1) I don't have any confidence in Chancellor "Grandma" to be proactive or aggressive enough to pull this off and, 2) MU is so delusional in their thinking that they probably still think they will get a BIG10 invitation.

Still, it's nice to at least dream....

rhollinshed 6 years, 8 months ago

Why do you have to resort to name calling. Stay off the chancellor. She is top notch and doing a great job. KU's best interests are being looked after well. KU will be fine which ever conference they land in. All you can do is talk about it, she has real current info to act on. She is telling you they are looking at all options. I am sure Lew Perkins is not far with his Big East connections to help all. Relax and be respectful to your elders.

Jayhawk1963 6 years, 8 months ago

I AM her elder and "Grandma" was a name given her by a current KU employee !!! There are a number of KU people who aren't so sure she is doing a "great" job. She and AD Zenger should be lobbying the PAC 12 day and night on KU's behalf. I seriously doubt that is happening. Now is the time we need Lew and his ability to cut a deal. Otherwise KU may well wind up in a non-BCS conference.

Bob_Keeshan 6 years, 8 months ago

This is about as bold a column as stating "Lawrence will stay in the state of Kansas".

Was Keegan's other column idea for today to pat himself on the back for the sun rising in the east? Or maybe he is saving that one for tomorrow.

rtwngr 6 years, 8 months ago

Whoa, take it easy there, Bob. It might not be the most inspiring column Mr. Keegan has written but he's just laying it out and "keeping it real". Missouri started this mess two years ago when it was leaked that they were bolting to the Big Ten. It turned out to be the spark that started the wildfire. I also blame the old Big Eight crowd for being tempted by Texas' dollars and allowing the Texas schools to drive the train off of a cliff. The biggest thing in Texas is their greed.

lvlndhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

Could be karma, folks. Not too long ago, the big 8 cherry-picked the SWC to form the now ill-fated big? 12.

tecuani 6 years, 8 months ago

Big 10 is the best option for football AND basketball, and not only for KU but also for the Big 10 and for ISU, KSU and MU.

Geographically it makes sense. Add the KU, KSU, ISU and MU to the Big 10 you now have 16 teams. (Big 10 is a 12 members.) In the west you have the four mentioned above, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa. The furthest road game would be Minnesota for "west" play and the furthest possible road game would be Penn. State.

KSU would get to have their "rivalry" with Nebraska back. The Big 10 would benefit from this rivalry as well as adding the MU-KU and KU-KSU rivalry. The Iowa-ISU rivalry just became a conference game.

The Big 10 is going to need to get bigger to counterbalance a growing PAC 12 and a possibly expanding SEC. These four schools are gift wrapped and ready to be snatched up.

It's time KU stopped waiting for others to make decisions for them.

Jayhawk1963 6 years, 8 months ago

Expansion is about TV SETS, not rivalries. This combination would never work. Ohio St. and Michigan would never share TV dollars equally with KSU, ISU or, probably, KU. The only hope here would be for the BIG10 to take two Midwestern teams (MU and maybe, possibly KU) to go with two Eastern teams (Pitt, Syracuse or Rutgers).

The only way KU fits into this mix would be if the BIG10 wanted some basketball prestige to go with Mich. St., Indiana, Illinois, etc.

tecuani 6 years, 8 months ago

Kansas City, 31st TV market, is a big college market because of the lack luster professional environment. St. Louis is the 21st largest TV market in the nation.

Rivalries tend to be televised, and tend to attract things like ESPN and CBS Sports events especially when both teams are good.

Having said that my post was a lot of wishful thinking. The Big 12 would be good for US, not necessarily the other way around. But I do think KU should be out there selling themselves to possible conferences. I think you are right though on a possible 2 west team and 2 east team pickup for the Big 10 should 16 teams be the new model.

If I had to put money on it, we end up with the Big East. Basketball....yay.... wooo....meh.

tolawdjk 6 years, 8 months ago

Why wouldn't the Big 10 want to share equally. Yes, Memorial isn' the 100,000+ capacity of Ann Arbor or Ohio State, but it and ISU, MU, and KSU are all on par with Minnesota, Indiana, Northwestern, and even Illinois. All of those are in the 50 - 60 thousand range.

William Weissbeck 6 years, 8 months ago

There is a difference, while UofI, IU and NW have similar stadiums to us, they tend to fill theirs for most games. There is a big difference from a crowd of 35,000 at Memorial and 55,000 in Champaign or Bloomington. And having been to Evanston, Champaign and Bloomington, there is a very different bigger feel than in Lawrence, that is only matched on MU, K-State or Nebraska weekends - it's called money flowing. The Big East is the best fit - to possibly completely reduce PAC 12, Big Ten and SEC to second tier BB leagues except for their major teams: UK, Michigan State and Ohio State. For what we may lose in FB, we need to protect and expand our exposure in BB.

mikewils 6 years, 8 months ago

Ignore FB at your peril. Schools like KU can't focus solely on what is going to benefit bball. KU should be looking to get into the P12, SEC or B10 first and the ACC after that. If dominoes fall and superconferences happen, the ACC will merge with part of the big east. If KU is part of the big east at that point, we'll get left out. And if KU isn't part of a BCS football conference, the basketball program will be equal to Duquesne in 5 years.

Bob_Keeshan 6 years, 8 months ago

Indiana set a record in 2010 when they averaged 41,953 fans a game.

Or about the same number that KU drew on Saturday.

Northwestern drew 36,449 last season. Minnesota averaged 49,513 in their brand new stadium last season.

KU had an off season last year and its average attendance took a hit... down to 44,850 fans/game.

Perhaps you would like to revise your post.

Jock Navels 6 years, 8 months ago

Right now there are 6 AQ conferences with 66 schools. If these 6 conferences consolidate into 4 sixteen team super-conferences, 2 teams won't have seats at the table. Look at it from the point of, football wise, who gets left out. Would it be KU or Cincinnati, or Louisville. Or Wake Forest, or Baylor. Maybe a weak sister like Washington State gets booted. Anyhow...if you look at it from tht standpoint, it doesn't look like KU would be one of the two dropped schools looking to get into the WAC or MWC.

Aiko 6 years, 8 months ago

Jayhawk1963, Texas is not the problem! The University of Texas is a great school and you should have more respect for the state that produces 50% of Kansas College ball players... Don't hate the great!

Jock Navels 6 years, 8 months ago

texas has always been a great problem. when their pinhead governor recently suggested texas might secede, i thought, great, take your star and go. texas could have its own league, even. and then their own national champion.

Jayhawk1963 6 years, 8 months ago

The arrogance and greed of UT IS the problem !!! I have no issue with the state of Texas but UT has destroyed two conferences now. Nobody wants to be in the same league with Bevo if they have a choice, regardless of what they say to the media. If you can't see that, you've got blinders on. Check out Blair Kerkhoff's KC Star column of several days ago. Educate yourself !

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