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Revenue secretary headed to western Kansas to hear views on overhauling state tax code

October 31, 2011


— Gov. Sam Brownback’s point man on overhauling the Kansas tax code is headed out to western Kansas on a listening tour about tax policy, officials announced Monday.

Kansas Department of Revenue Secretary Nick Jordan will hold meetings in Great Bend, Garden City and Colby Tuesday, and Hays and Salina on Wednesday.

The meetings have been arranged with the help of the Kansas Farm Bureau and Kansas Rural Economic Development Alliance, the Revenue Department reported.

“This is part of our ongoing effort as part of the Brownback Road Map for Kansas to gather input on tax policy and economic growth from a wide array of Kansans,” Jordan said.

Brownback, a Republican, has said he wants to cut the state income tax as a way to spur economic growth. Brownback’s administration has been working behind closed doors on a plan that will be unveiled sometime in November and forwarded to the Legislature for consideration.

Asked why Jordan was not traveling to other areas on the listening tour, his spokeswoman Jeannine Koranda said Jordan has been in other areas of the state and received input on tax issues. He has yet to travel to western Kansas as revenue secretary, she said.

Meanwhile, a group headed by former Kansas Republican Party officials who helped elect Brownback, are embarking on a short bus tour to advocate for eliminating the state income tax.

The Kansans for No Income Tax bus tour will start on Friday in Topeka and travel to Leavenworth and then Lenexa. On Saturday, the bus will hit Pittsburg and Wichita.

“The elimination of the state’s income tax gives wage earners an immediate pay raise and encourages economic growth in our state,” said Ashley McMillan, president of Kansans for No Income Tax and former executive director of the Kansas GOP.

But Kansas Democrats say cutting income taxes will result in either cuts in services or forcing local governments to increase sales and property taxes to pay for services.


Phillbert 6 years, 6 months ago

The "Kansas for No Income Tax Tour" could also be called the:

Kansans for Higher Property and Sales Taxes Tour, Kansans for More Released Prisoners Tour, Kansans for Potholed Roads Tour, or the Kansans for Decrepit Schools Tour

We'd all pay for the Brownback-Koch tax cuts, through higher other taxes, worse services or both. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

chootspa 6 years, 6 months ago

There a reason you haven't moved years ago?

question4u 6 years, 6 months ago

“The elimination of the state’s income tax gives wage earners an immediate pay raise and encourages economic growth in our state,” said Ashley McMillan.

How nice it will be of employers to continue to pay wages at the old rate if taxes are eliminated. It's great that businesses will be so generous that they will pass up the potential for increased profits and continue to hire new workers at the old rate. That will make the take-home pay, without taxes, higher for workers in Kansas than in Missouri, Oklahoma or Nebraska. It's great that workers will refuse to come to Kansas from other states to increase competition for jobs and drive wages down. It's marvelous that businesses will put aside the law of supply and demand. That will be so considerate of them. It's fantastic that local governments won't increase property taxes to make up for the lost revenue, and, best of all, education, prisons, and heath care will be better than ever. Everything will be so wonderful, and the workers of Kansas will prosper.

Are there also pink poodles, Munchkins and gumdrop trees in your dream Ashley?

Kendall Simmons 6 years, 6 months ago

It's amazing how these people see things in a vacuum, isn't it.

When my property taxes go up, my mortgage payments go up...not just on my house, but my rental houses.

So what do I do? I raise the rent.

Whoops! There goes that "immediate pay raise".

1983Hawk 6 years, 6 months ago

This "listening tour" was designed as a diversionary tactic to confuse and distract the press and public into thinking there was an open set of meetings and dialogue (while the Open Records request continues to be stalled) regarding the development of this whiz bang tax plan, which was crafted in the dark of night while cutting a 75k "consulting fee" to Art Laffer. The fact that this faux "tour" is in Western Kansas is aimed at Steve Morris, who has established an actual bipartisan tax study group that will in fact hold public meetings and not pay exorbitant consulting fees.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 6 months ago

Who he'll be listening to are the local paid shills for one of the Koch Bros. many front groups, such as Americans for (the Koch bros.') Prosperity.

mloburgio 6 years, 6 months ago

ALEC Exposed Bills to Create Tax Loopholes or Affect Budgets Etc. This page documents how bills pushed by ALEC corporations would create tax giveaways to Big Business, give tax breaks to the richest, and eviscerate state legislatures' ability to raise revenue through tax increases. These "model bills" and resolutions also push for extending the Bush tax cuts and attempt to use temporary legislative majorities to tie the hands of future majorities to raise taxes to meet citizens' needs. Through ALEC, corporations have both a VOICE and a VOTE on specific state laws through these model bills. Do you?

William Weissbeck 6 years, 6 months ago

Taxes are the price you pay for a civilized society. If you are one of the kings and lords and have all the money, then you have to be prepared to feed the serfs to maintain the peace. And if you want the serfs to be productive, you have to educate them. In a representative democracy, the will of the majority decides tax policy and spending - it's called a government by the people for the people. I'm sorry for you that you no longer want to participate or believe that by preaching unicorns for all, it will come true. When you examine the real intent of the Kansans For No Income Tax you realize that they are really a threat to democracy.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 6 months ago

"Yes, accept this is a republic."

Yes, we "accept" that this is a republic. But that has nothing to do with the issue of taxation.

Bob Forer 6 years, 6 months ago

using "from a source" rather than citing the specific source translates to "wow, I have this great quote which supports my position but the author is so lacking in integrity and respect that I better not say who it is"

chootspa 6 years, 6 months ago

I've been a tax payer for a long time. I'd rather pay my fair share than see services cut for those that need them. I don't qualify for medicaid, but I'd rather not see someone else lose it. I don't get food stamps, but I'm not going to begrudge someone who does. Meanwhile, I do use roads, public buildings, garbage collection, police protection, and I'd really appreciate it if someone were there to put out house fires.

No, telling me to cut my own voluntary contribution doesn't cut it. You and I both know that it doesn't work unless we collectively pay for those services. If we don't pay? The villagers will bring the pitchforks. It's happened before, and it's very close to happening again.

tomatogrower 6 years, 6 months ago

It's amazing how people don't want to pay their fair share for the community in which they live. You can stop paying taxes, when you home school your children. You can't send them to private school, because you can't go anywhere on the streets that we, the community have paid for. Please hire your own police and fire protection.

Our tax dollars help to install and maintain the water system that comes to your house, but you don't want to pay taxes, so we can just raise your water fees, if you are too lazy or poor to install your own well and sewage system, but if you do build your own, make sure your sewage doesn't seep onto your neighbors land. He will sue you and soon you will be homeless.

If you should become too ill to work, do not come to the community hospital. It is paid for by evil taxes. Actually you will have to hire a private doctor, since we haven't solved the problem of you driving or walking on our community's streets and sidewalks. Of course, while your sitting at home making millions on oil futures, teaching your children, and praying for rain, since your well has run dry, you will be very happy, because you aren't paying taxes. Oops, the candle just started a fire? Better start sewing a tent, you rugged individual you.

plainspeaking 6 years, 6 months ago

Secretary Jordan has visited western Kansas "as revenue secretary;" he toured Fort Hays State University on October 13th, where he talked with faculty and administration about taxes and the possibility of universities creating businesses to help fund their operations.

Why does this governor and his administration continue to lie?

Jimo 6 years, 6 months ago

"Meanwhile, a group headed by former Kansas Republican Party officials who helped elect Brownback, are embarking on a short bus tour to advocate for eliminating the state income tax."

Translation: raise taxes on the middle class and poor and cut them for the wealthy.

And some people still don't grasp why the sell-out Tea Partiers are the most despised political grouping in America.

Paul R Getto 6 years, 6 months ago

Jimo: "Translation: raise taxes on the middle class and poor and cut them for the wealthy." === Where did you learn to speak brownbackish? I want to learn too. It is a strange language, but if they can rewrite the blble for their benefit (businessman jesus) I guess they can do this too.

Alceste 6 years, 6 months ago

High earners should pay considerably more in taxes than they do now. Top tax rates of even 50 percent for incomes in the seven-figure range would still be considerably lower than their level throughout the boom years of the post-war era, and should not be out of the question—nor should an estate-tax rate of similar size, for large estates.

Over time, the United States has expected less and less of its elite, even as society has oriented itself in a way that is most likely to maximize their income. The top income-tax rate was 91 percent in 1960, 70 percent in 1980, 50 percent in 1986, and 39.6 percent in 2000, and is now 35 percent. Income from investments is taxed at a rate of 15 percent. The estate tax has been gutted. Kansas is no different. And we're BROKE, too.

As a society, we should be far more concerned about whether most Kansans are getting ahead than about the size of the gains at the top. Yet extreme income inequality causes a cultural separation that is unhealthy on its face and corrosive over time. And the most-powerful economic forces of our times will likely continue to concentrate wealth at the top of society and to put more pressure on the middle. It is hard to imagine an adequate answer to the problems we face that doesn’t involve greater redistribution of wealth.

Hatred of the poor is fueled by the middle class's fear of falling during hard times. Kansans don't understand how the poor are victimized by a lack of jobs, inefficient schools, and unsafe neighborhoods. People ignore the structural issues - jobs leaving, industry becoming more mechanized. Then they point to the poor and ask, 'Why aren't you making it?' "

Concluding, Brownback was overheard telling Senator Robertson "Pat, may I please have my USDA subsidy payment in a more timely fashion in the future? Pass the peas."

In Hard Times, Kansans Blame the Poor.

Alceste 6 years, 6 months ago

rockchalk1977 brings you a bought and paid advertisement from the new meritocricy.

The choice lies with the people of Kansas. The problem is, the people of Kansas are the very same people who brought Brownback into the U.S. Senate a couple of times as well as giving him a free house at Cedar Crest.

This same group of sound thinking citizens bring you Lynn Jenkins, Yoder, Moran, and even Pat Roberts. shrug

In Hard Times, Kansans Like to Blame the Poor

chootspa 6 years, 6 months ago

Contrary to idiotic conservative spin, the bottom 50% DO pay taxes. Aside from the bum on the street that makes absolutely no purchases, they all pay sales tax. Meanwhile the top 2% own 98% of the wealth but do not pay 98% of the taxes.

tomatogrower 6 years, 6 months ago

I'll support cutting taxes for the rich, but they have to create the jobs first. Knock off 1% of their taxes for every 100 people they hire, and for a living wage. We got it backwards - jobs, then tax cuts.

jafs 6 years, 6 months ago

That's actually an interesting idea.

chootspa 6 years, 6 months ago

They still get their taxes. They just use other means to collect it. Property taxes, sales taxes, energy taxes, business profit taxes, personal investment taxes, tourism taxes. Alaska taxes oil like crazy and sucks down big-time on the federal teat. We're paying taxes for Alaska. They should send us a thank you note for their refunds. Our governor is too stupid to take federal money and sends it out to other states.

Seeing as Kansas has neither a booming tourism industry nor the fossil fuel wealth of some of those other states, property tax it is. Hope you like paying 1.86% of your property value in taxes. That's what they pay in New Hampshire, and since they tax other things on top of that, that's a conservative estimate.

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