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Occupy Lawrence members report crimes at South Park camp

October 25, 2011

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Members of the Occupy Lawrence group filed several police reports over the weekend and on Monday.

Jason Phoenix, a Lawrence resident and active member of the group, said that he was physically struck in the park some time after 2 a.m. Sunday. Police responded to the scene, records indicate, but the unidentified suspect had already fled.

Phoenix called the police department again Monday evening, saying he believed the suspect had returned to the park. The suspect was later identified in Douglas County Jail records as a 21-year-old Lawrence man. The suspect allegedly left the scene on a bicycle as police officers attempted to speak with him, leading to a charge of attempt to elude public officials.

Capt. Jim Martin said Monday night that no charges had been filed in the case.

Martin also confirmed that someone who had been at the Occupy Lawrence camp reported on Monday morning a possible sexual assault. He said he did not believe the victim or any possible suspects were members of the group but rather were transients who stayed in one of the group’s tents Sunday night.

Though he was not present at the camp Sunday night, Phoenix said he was told of the filing of the sexual assault report. He said that witnesses had told him that two men and one woman came into the camp seeking a place to sleep and were offered one of the open tents. He said that group members were “deeply affected” by the events and were considering new measures to ensure their safety within the park, including distribution of a flier titled “Creating a safe space,” which asks participants to “refrain from engaging in activities that are not conducive to creating and maintaining a safe space.”

The group took down their tents Monday and said they intend to remain in the park overnight but no longer felt that the tents were safe.

Both investigations are still open and Martin could not confirm any more details about the alleged battery or sexual assault.

Comments

fatheadff 3 years, 1 month ago

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 1 month ago

"So the group that was just complaining about the police because they were giving people tickets"

I've seen no complaints reported in the JW. Where have you heard (or heard about) these complaints you assert?

kernal 3 years, 1 month ago

Complaints about the LPD by the Occupy Lawrence organizers? Please clarify.

parrothead8 3 years, 1 month ago

Yeah, because no crimes ever occur in people's homes.

And they weren't complaining about police giving them tickets. They fully expected it, and just decided their cause was worth the tickets. What they are complaining about is the fact that some bankers brought down our economy and didn't get so much as a ticket.

ksb 3 years, 1 month ago

Nothing like some good old-fashioned victim-blaming in the morning! And to concur with the other commenters, I've followed the Occupy Lawrence camp closely and visited them on a couple of occasions and never heard any complaints about the LPD.

pepper_bar 3 years, 1 month ago

Occupy Lawrence wants the LPD to enforce the law.

Wadde 3 years, 1 month ago

What about a skunk should facists call the law on a skunk that has more of a right to be in the park than they..how about if we just take the ordinance and have the supreme court in

Topeka overturn it with a silver mallet "unconstitutional"..

Ian Brown 3 years, 1 month ago

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Steve Jacob 3 years, 1 month ago

Don't you think some of the behavior by "outsiders/homeless" was predicted by the city and LPD and that's why they are being pushed out of the park? The LPD knows more about what people are capable off then any of us know.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 1 month ago

"The LPD knows more about what people are capable off then any of us know."

I'm sure that's true. Maybe they haven't seen all of it, but they certainly have seen a lot more of it than most people have.

And they'd rather not have seen as much of it as they have, I'm sure.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 1 month ago

"These radical malcontents..." Pot. Kettle. Black.

shawn1040 3 years, 1 month ago

Perhaps that is why the park is closed at night! Stay there at your own risk and don't complain when you have to suffer the consequences! This problem would go away if the weather would cooperate - we just need a week of freezing rain.

deec 3 years, 1 month ago

Of course the people who attacked the protesters were also in the park illegally after hours. Would you think it okay to attack them if they were in the park during open hours? How about picketing on the sidewalk all night long?

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 1 month ago

I believe it's legal to picket on the sidewalk all night long, as long as you stay on the sidewalk.

deec 3 years, 1 month ago

Not the point. Many posters on here seem to think it is fine to physically attack the protesters because they don't like them, or don't like their message. I'm trying to clarify whether its okay to physically attack them at any time, or just when they are committing civil disobedience in furtherance of of a cause. From what I've heard through someone participating, the individual who attacked the group on Saturday has been harassing them previously, including during daylight hours. So, is it okay to harm others because you disagree with them? Or is only okay to harm them if they, themselves are in violation of a law that was primarily passed to prevent homeless people from sleeping in public spaces?

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 1 month ago

I didn't mean for my comment to be construed so broadly.

lunacydetector 3 years, 1 month ago

you have found the enemy and she is you.

i used 'she' to be pc.

ModerateOne 3 years, 1 month ago

One of the better freudian typos I've seen, unless it came with brilliance intended.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 1 month ago

I certainly do know what you're talking about. Every once in a great while, I have gotten in a really good shot on this forum.

The wonderful thing is, I believe that the very few who understood what I had said just about split a gut laughing and wondered how I had managed to get away with such a comment in here.

And, everyone else was looking at it and thinking: 'That makes no sense at all.'

fu7il3 3 years, 1 month ago

I think that flier will totally stop rapists.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 1 month ago

Such a display by all you celebrants of Schadenfreude.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 1 month ago

Vielleicht aus dem Mund von einem sehr ungebildeten leuten.

kseagle 3 years, 1 month ago

Nothing but a pile of trash down there anyway. May as well relocate the entire bunch to the city dump. And then forget about them.

kernal 3 years, 1 month ago

Forecast for today: hot wind mixed with blathering, finger pointing and told you so's.

ridikkulus 3 years, 1 month ago

"Occupy Lawrence" doesn't cause sexual assault. Abusive sociopaths cause sexual assault.

ridikkulus 3 years, 1 month ago

I do. Clothing doesn't cause rape. Being in an elevator doesn't cause rape. Being intoxicated and taking a taxi home doesn't cause rape. Walking out of a grocery store doesn't cause rape. Marriage doesn't even cause rape. In fact, I can't think of a single instance where a rapist was not responsible for committing rape... Many instances where they try to blame it on the victim, but never one where the person being raped "deserved" or was responsible for the rapists actions.

ignatius_j_reilly 3 years, 1 month ago

Every single person who will comment on this thread already made up their mind on the article before they read it. Don't waste your time here. This is what's wrong with America. Some news story comes up, and we all run home to Mommy and Daddy (the Republican or Democratic Party) to ask them how we should feel.

gudpoynt 3 years, 1 month ago

absolutely disgraceful.

unbelievable.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 1 month ago

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Armored_One 3 years, 1 month ago

I hope whoever it was that assaulted Phoenix gets bounced according to the law. That is the core of my entire complaintabout them being in the park, though.

That they were protesting was fine. I could care less either way. The fact that they had a permit was all well and good, but the fact that it ended on Sunday and they didn't get ticketed until Thursday, if I remember correctly, was my complaint.

I don't care why they were there, but laws exist for a specific reason. They need to be enforced or they were a waste of the ink used to sign them in to being.

pepper_bar 3 years, 1 month ago

Do not attempt to identify which laws should be enforced and which should not. Occupy Lawrence will make this determination for you.

deec 3 years, 1 month ago

Seriously? Someone is violating a minor law, like say being drunk in public, so they are fair game to be attacked? A kid out after curfew deserves to be punched? Someone jaywalking needs to get hit by a car; that'll teach 'em a lesson.

Matthew Del Vecchio 3 years, 1 month ago

I was once told that nothing good happens after midnight,....and yes some of these people deserve to be punched.

gl0ck0wn3r 3 years, 1 month ago

“Creating a safe space,” which asks participants to “refrain from engaging in activities that are not conducive to creating and maintaining a safe space.”

This brings the lolz. Circular logic is circular.

cozborn 3 years, 1 month ago

They are from the department of redundancy department

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 1 month ago

A department needs to be created to further study the department of redundancy department.

repete66211 3 years, 1 month ago

Occupy Lawrence, a group which refuses to recognize that parks have hours of operation, illustrates why parks have hours of operation.

waynelsworld 3 years, 1 month ago

Have you no human decency? The bloggers that think these folks in the park are getting what they deserve will one day be drug from their homes and summarily shot by the very corrupt government that they would support. Oh sorry...... I guess you will be part of the 1% that gives the orders to have the rest of us shot because we believe that basic human rights should be cherished, protected, fought for, and if necessary die for. You are hypocrites that do nothing for your society, your neighbors, and probably your family. You sit behind your computers with your doors locked in fear of making any kind of real difference with your face in front for all to see. You want your comfortable, meaningless lives to be left alone and not questioned for what you have contributed to the good of others because you have done nothing for the good of others.

Self-interest is what got us in this mess. Greed and corruption are all the result of self-interest. God help us if you are the answer to our future.

Big kudos to the police department for doing their duty to serve and protect all of the citizens of Lawrence Kansas. Big kudos to those who are demonstating as they are the children of our democracy.

Not to worry you are probably right in that the weather will stifle their campaign for truth and justice and the American way of life. You can then criticize someone else for standing up for some other issue that you don't agree with or just wish to negatively impact.

I shall in this instance judge you…. Shame on you!!!….If you have any shame.

MarcoPogo 3 years, 1 month ago

Did this thread just turn into something akin to "The Turner Diaries"?

bearded_gnome 3 years, 1 month ago

remember the Occuhippies' march on millionaires' homes in NY? it is in fact you people who wish to drag out the so-called "1%!" have them forcably tatooed, publish their names for retribution.

look yourself in the mirror.

waynelsworld 3 years, 1 month ago

My goodness have I hit a nerve of guilt in your words? When you resort to "name" calling it only shows your inability to provide a logical argument. Truth is...... I perhaps was describing you?

gl0ck0wn3r 3 years, 1 month ago

No, "you" haven't "hit a nerve" with your "hyperbolic" rhetoric. Hyperbolic "rhetoric" such as "your post" is rarely accurate.

waynelsworld 3 years, 1 month ago

aparrently another word you use without knowing the definition

gl0ck0wn3r 3 years, 1 month ago

Right. I am frequently accused of abusing the language here and elsewhere. Ouch.

waynelsworld 3 years, 1 month ago

Hardly an exaggeration.

Hyperbole is an exaggeration that is fanciful and everyone knows it could not be true such as " Your feet are as big as a barge!" Everyone recognizes that no one has feet that are 700 ft long.

We fought WW2 to hopefully avert that for the future. History has already shown us that the above is no exaggeration.

When we stand idlely by while others are persecuted then we give up our right to not be persecuted as well or we are assimilated. That was the defense used by the Nazi War criminals.

pepper_bar 3 years, 1 month ago

Police cleared Occupy Oakland this morning, and built a fence around the plaza where the Occupy group had set up camp.

waynelsworld 3 years, 1 month ago

Peaceful demonstrations are by they're very nature protected and used to provide a manner in which disatisfaction can be emphasised with out overthrowing the government. Hardly akin to "The Turner Diaries".

MarcoPogo 3 years, 1 month ago

I was speaking more towards your scenario of government going door-to-door, pulling out citizens, and shooting them in the head, all ZOG-like. You're right, your post isn't exactly the plot of TTD. Seemed to me that you of all people would understand a little exaggeration.

waynelsworld 3 years, 1 month ago

Given what the Oakland Police did at the orders of the City fathers it may be less of an exaggeration than you think. Have you seen the pictures?

Getaroom 3 years, 1 month ago

Those who have posted today in such a way as to cast blame on the "Occupiers" for crimes committed against them have no shame and only choose to draw attention to themselves in an effort to make themselves feel better and draw some support from other narrow minded naysayers. They blatantly show their ignorance, lack of compassion, empathy and general disdain for people who make them feel uncomfortable doing something in a public way and they do not have the will or courage to do anything proactive to better their own lives, or that of a community. Ignorance is not bliss. The transient and homeless population living here are also not representative of those who commit such (possible) crimes as described in this article. Yes, some do, but not the majority of those uninvolved, yet blamed and would resent being lumped together I am sure. No one really knows the lives of the homeless unless they are themselves homeless, been homeless, or worked closely to support the homeless in person. It seems the negative posters only know how to protest a Government they do not understand and yet blindly support it by allowing corporations to run the country, blame a sitting president who happens to be black skinned and are then unable to give credit where credit is due, or identify correctly those who should carry the responsibility of leadership failures. They loudly blame Obama and yet support those who purposefully carried the country into ruin by way of lies and deception. And that is a good thing? Protesting the failure of government to offer protection to it's citizens from the absolute greed of Profiteers on Wall Street and right here in this state is a bad thing? Get your priorities straight instead of putting down people who care enough to give a presence and a voice to things gone badly wrong in this country. This country is falling over from being way too top heavy, help correct that trajectory before it is too late.

newmedia 3 years, 1 month ago

Hoping for a cold, windy rain the next couple of days. Please pass the soap. March On!

CatnRat 3 years, 1 month ago

Sounds like that scene from the bible where Jesus routed the moneychangers.....

deec 3 years, 1 month ago

They did cross a line by going into the bank, as have people in several other cities. Whether it is valid protest to do so, I'm not sure. It sounds a lot like the sort of things that were done during the "summer of mercy" back in the 80's in Wichita and other places. The reports of damage are greatly exaggerated. From the video of the actual event I watched, the "damage" consisted of numerous deposit slips being thrown about like confetti, and a coffee table was knocked on its side. The only people who faced arrest were the people who stayed behind after the bulk of the protestors left to tidy up the thrown papers. They got locked in and dealt with the police. There was no violence in the sense that is implied. The lady who was sitting in the lobby appeared bemused, not terrified. Even the security guard on the phone, presumably to the police, did not appear to be particularly het up. The Chase Oakland incident is a being used as a thinly veiled attempt to justify the brutality that has been instigated against peaceful protesters in Oakland, New York, Chicago, Melbourne, and undoubtedly other locations.

Fatty_McButterpants 3 years, 1 month ago

It's funny how so many people are stating that these protestors deserve what happened to them because they were violating the law, or that "the law is the law" and, as such, should be enforced . . . but then complain about getting a traffic ticket as being purely an attempt by the city to generate revenue. I see. So it's okay when YOU break the law, but not okay when others do, right?

fancy80 3 years, 1 month ago

Fatty McB, first and foremost...love the screen name. I use it in the majority of my test files. Hope you don't mind.

secondly, Bozo has already determined that you cannot compare speeding to camping in the park. Apparently, Bozo is the resident comparison judge, and Jimo will compare your level of intelligence with that of a toddler playing his favorite game on Sesame Street.

Sorry to inform you that you will have to come up with something different, which will immediately be shot down by Bozo. Good Luck.

waynelsworld 3 years, 1 month ago

It is not okay to break the law anytime. These demonstrators I argue have broken no laws and are challenging one based on the fundamental rights that protects them to do so. Governmental interference of those rights are strictly prohibited by the 1st Amendment and applied to state and local government by the 14th Amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The Due Process Clause prohibits state and local governments from depriving persons of life, liberty, or property without certain steps being taken to ensure fairness. This clause has been used to make most of the Bill of Rights applicable to the states and local governments. Its Equal Protection Clause requires each state to provide equal protection under the law to all people within its jurisdiction. This includes our friends in the park.

pepper_bar 3 years, 1 month ago

Looks like the police cleared the South Park campsite last night; the Occupiers declined the opportunity to be arrested.

waynelsworld 3 years, 1 month ago

I can not confirm this at this time but......from my sources this was a strategy dicided upon after the first citations were issued. They have already been cited and will have their day in court to challenge the citations.They did not want to appear to be just a bunch of aggitators with multiple charges to defend and challenge. As it stands the issue is the Ordinace vs. The Bill of Rights. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I do not see a jury or a judge for that matter, deciding to disregard the 1st Ammendment in favor of the city ordinance.

This is the right way to proceed, if they win in court it will be finally settled and future protestors will not be persecuted.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 1 month ago

I think the park will continue to be closed at certain hours. But, that's just an opinion.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 1 month ago

On second thought, maybe taxes should be raised in order to police the park 24/7. Then future protesters would be protected.

waynelsworld 3 years, 1 month ago

It seems to me that the only ones breaking the law are those that have abused their power and authority to order the police to take action when they knew darn good and well that they were doing so. They were just hoping it would all go away. Not on my watch. They will be called out in the forum of public opinion, the courts, and hopefully the ballot box.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 1 month ago

Bunch of fair-weather protestors who were not willing to take some lumps for their grand cause. Morris the cat is now their official mascot.

jafs 3 years, 1 month ago

And, if they had stayed, you'd be yelling about how they're just a bunch of lawbreakers.

cozborn 3 years, 1 month ago

I dont see anything about tents in bill of rights. Could you point that out to me wayne?

ivalueamerica 3 years, 1 month ago

it appears, from the nature of many comments on this thread, that many who oppose the occupy movement are in favor of sexual assault.

EastCoaster 3 years, 1 month ago

Looks like you won the dumb comment award with your own comment. It's so nice to finally meet the Internet Guru who determines what exactly makes a dumb comment. Is My Lord's criteria simply anything you disagree with?

It's time to go back to school and learn what public forum really means.

The sexual assault could have been entirely avoided by NOT associating their movement with the homeless. The homeless in Lawrence are not your typical homeless. A few are on hard times and legitimately homeless. But most are also drifters. Young people who willingly drop out of society, lug a ruck sack and move from town to town. I met a couple at the Occupy meeting I checked out here in Larrytown. These types of "homeless" should not even be allowed to associate with the movement. They don't participate in society and are not being victimized by corporate America. They have nothing to do with people kicked out of their apartments because they don't make enough money or their homes were foreclosed.

The problem with Lawrence is it has too many Hippies who don't know the difference between someone who is economically oppressed because they work and don't earn a living wage and those who willingly turn their backs on the system. Occupy is about the 99%, not about the small minority of socio-economic drop-outs.

tomatogrower 3 years, 1 month ago

So, mostly I hear the conservatives are equating setting up tents in a public park where they aren't hurting anyone to protest the corporate take over of our government is a crime on par with rape and assault? Disgusting.

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