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Occupy Lawrence members energized by rally

October 23, 2011

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It’s always been a “wait and see” game.

Doug Denney thinks so. He’s waited to see how the Occupy Lawrence protests have come along and how their message and purpose have fluctuated as they’ve defied the city’s orders.

He protested against the Vietnam War and the Iraq War, and on Saturday, a few paces behind in the march, with a sign lamenting the death of the American dream, he joined in with the enthusiastic 20-somethings leading the Occupy Lawrence march.

“It’s wonderful to see another generation get involved,” he said.

As they vow to keep going, the occupiers, too, are now waiting — waiting to see what further steps the Lawrence Police Department and the city may take to remove them from South Park’s scattering of tents that have become their camp. They’re not leaving. Or most say they aren’t, at least.

Eight protesters were ticketed just before 2 a.m. Saturday for being in violation of city code 15-208, which states that city parks are to be closed from 11:30 p.m. to 6 a.m.

Their citations come with a mandatory court date — Nov. 15 — and the possibility of fines and court costs, though it’s not clear how much the fines will be. The protesters said Saturday morning that a group of several officers approached them, told them they had 10 minutes to leave if they wanted to avoid the municipal ticket and then proceeded to ticket those who stayed.

They began rallying Oct. 8 and set up camp in the park Oct. 15. They had permission to stay 24 hours but continued to camp after that expired.

Branden Bell, of Bell Folsom, a law firm serving Douglas and Johnson counties, offered to represent any protesters criminally charged, “as long as there’s no violence,” he said.

“Expression of dissatisfaction with the status quo is protected speech,” he said. “Time, manner or place requirements shouldn’t thwart speech.”

Bell said he had not spoken with any of the members who got citations as of Saturday afternoon.

T.J. Campsey was one of those cited. He said he did not think the police action would be detrimental to the group, though fewer might have been likely to stay in the park Saturday night.

Campsey and others continued, their noon rally gathering about 40 people, apparently convinced of their causes. They rallied in front of the U.S. Bank at Ninth and Massachusetts streets and vowed to stay in the park another night, even if it meant arrest.

“We believe our right to peacefully assemble doesn’t end at 11:30,” he said.

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Agnostick 2 years, 5 months ago

“1 Marine vs. 30 Cops (Marine wins)” http://militarytimes.com/blogs/battle-rattle/2011/10/18/1-marine-vs-30-cops-marine-wins/ [the comments are an interesting mix]

Google News results for search "occupy marines"... several articles to choose from: http://bit.ly/pcgcJS

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 5 months ago

In other occupy news: "#OccupyBaltimore Discouraging Rape Victims From Going To Police Instead, they would prefer the victim report the incident to "the Security Committee" which will thoroughly investigate the allegation and ensure both parties will receive proper counseling. The Security Committee is, no doubt, a crack team of highly trained criminal investigators that have had at least 20 or 30 minutes of investigative instruction...." Read the rest, including scans of the memo, at: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/209837.php

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bearded_gnome 2 years, 5 months ago

so once again the Koch brothers are eeeeevilll! lol! how about the real enemy of american values: George Soros who's put up money through foundations, to get the nongrassroots occupy movement going.

Campsey and others continued, their noon rally gathering about 40 people, apparently convinced of their causes. They rallied in front of the U.S. Bank at

---just 40 people now? the other day AP-kansas reported 50 people. they're shrinking in number looks like.

noise problems reported from the south park squatters. any reports of the occuhippies cursing at people who live near the park like their brethren occupying Wall Street? any reports of vandalism like from their brethren occupying Wall Street? any reports that people who work in the area of South Park have been harrassed, threatened, cursed, etc., as those who work around Wall Street have suffered?

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Godot 2 years, 5 months ago

I like Brandon Bell, and I intend to quote him, and ask for his pro-bono support when my kid has a two week wedding camp-out in South Park. Free Speech For All!

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 5 months ago

Leaving a tent in one place for several days will kill the grass under it. Killing the grass in killing the planet. Pepper fog and vicious dogs are just the ticket for clearing the squatters.

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waynelsworld 2 years, 5 months ago

Curious about this........If the purpose of the citations were to enforce the law consistently why then were the police not back again last night issuing citations to those that were there last night? Hmm......I wonder??
I am sure many of you have a theory on this phenomenum.

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buckjennings 2 years, 5 months ago

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kernal 2 years, 5 months ago

BornAgainAmerican asks what conservative groups support OWS as he is of the opinion occupymarines.org does not speak for the U.S. Marines. For starters there is veteransforpeace.org; Karl Denninger, one of the founders of the Tea Party (yep, that one made me pause); the Oath Keepers, which states it is non-partisan, and so on.

BAA, maybe we can keep up with the World once we can all function well on three hours of sleep. :>)

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oneeye_wilbur 2 years, 5 months ago

Those tents look like they are for toddlers when they play house.

The protestors are even too lazy to hold up signs and walk up and down the sidewalk.

No wonder they don't have jobs if they are so lazy to not hold a sign. Wonder how they will feed themselves when a real economic slump comes and their parents are broke also?

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waynelsworld 2 years, 5 months ago

Peaceful Assembly is within the law in spite of the ordinance. Assault is not. That is the difference.

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ksrush 2 years, 5 months ago

Occupy Granolaville is as much a waste of time as the transvestite law just passed. And yes it was on purpose

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its_just_math 2 years, 5 months ago

There's no need to harm the Fleabaggers, just as there was never any need to harm Teabaggers. Those alleged assaulters should be arrested. However, the press is probably good for the Fleabaggers, and the press of assaults on Teabaggers was largely unreported/misreported--intentionally by the intellectually bankrupt liberal Obamamania media.

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pepper_bar 2 years, 5 months ago

From the Occupy Lawrence facebook page: "Update - the Lawrence Police were not our biggest worry Saturday night, as it turned out. We had no interaction at the camp with police. We did have multiple members physically assaulted by Lawrence residents - We have video and have filed complaints with the police department for these events."

Is there anyone else who finds some irony in the campers requesting police protection? I mean, isn't this exactly the kind of public safety issue that the camping ordinance is there to defuse? Not saying "physical assault" is good, but isn't this the definition of wanting it both ways?

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Douglas_Co 2 years, 5 months ago

If you want to read an extremely articulate and insightful treatise on the Occupy Wall St. Movement, follow this link:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/10/23/how-i-learned-to-love-the-goddamned-hippies.html

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

Again...

It could be said that those protesting the protesters are demonstrating their belief in crime,fraud and serving the special interests that in fact perpetrated the fraud on the American people.

Thus encouraging more Reagan/Bush Home loan frauds, Bush/Cheney Home Loan Frauds,Bush/Cheney/Paulson Bail Out Frauds and more crime at the highest levels of government and corporate boardrooms.

It could be said that those protesting the protesters are demonstrating their belief in that it is okay that 11 million more were put out of work as a result of the fraudulent home loan industry in spite of the trillions upon trillions dollars of economic growth being being lost daily as the end result.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 5 months ago

"Jobs and manufacturing that have been outsourced, wages, benefits cut to the bone, life support jerked out from under their feet to feed corporate greed. "

for your perusal. (from a source)

"Reshoring": Why manufacturers are moving from China BACK to the U.S.

Tuesday, October 18, 2011

From Carpe Diem:

The NY Times recently featured a Seattle-based company named "Taphandles" that has brought some of its manufacturing of custom beer taps and beer-marketing products back to the United States from China as many of the economic and cost advantages of manufacturing have started to shift back to the United States, including:

  1. Manufacturing wages in China continue to increase at 15%-20% per year on average, and have actually increased by a whopping 300% for Taphandles since it opened a Chinese factory in 2006. In contrast, manufacturing wages in the U.S. have remained relatively flat, or have even decreased in some industries that have adopted a two-tier wage structure.

  2. The lead time for Taphandles' orders coming from China is three weeks, compared to a much shorter time for domestic production, which improves customer satisfaction for Taphandles' clients.

  3. In addition to rising wages, the Chinese...

http://www.thedailycrux.com/content/8954/Unemployment

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ssteve1 2 years, 5 months ago

My son-in-law and his friends didn't have time to attend the occupy. They're in Afghanistan.

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fancy80 2 years, 5 months ago

Okay thanks getaroom! It's becoming clearer. It is basically anti-Republican. Just curious what business do you own in town and how many jobs do you provide. What benefits do you provide to said employees. Oh I see...do as I say and not as I do. Makes perfect sense... So yes, camping in the park is definitely going to "change" everything...at least, we sure "hope" so.

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fancy80 2 years, 5 months ago

"We believe our right to peacefully assemble doesn't end at 11:30".

So, let me see if I understand...is it okay to peacefully drive 90mph? Is it okay to peacefully steal from thy neighbor? And is breaking the rules/laws okay for everyone, or just the occupy people? So next weekend me and my rv buddies can all pull into South Park and camp for a week before the police come by and ticket us?

And I'm sorry, but I still don't understand what these people stand for. Even though they "supposedly" are speaking for me...ummm yeah, thanks but I would prefer to speak for myself.

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Getaroom 2 years, 5 months ago

The participants of Occupy Wall Street(Lawrence) are not silly even if it is preaching to the choir, which it is not in this town. All one needs to do is read this blog to see how many posters there are who have closed their minds and accepted the status quo and believe that public discourse and or civil disobedience is not appropriate and perhaps never appropriate, given how uncomfortable it makes them. We have seen over the years how much Lobbyists(www.followthemoney.org) are influencing policy and lawmaking in order to sway regulations in their favor to either increase profit taking or hold onto already greedy behaviors. How any conscious, thinking, educated citizen can support what has been happening to us(99%) through the actions of big business is truly unreal. Greed is driving the Free Market, which has become void of morality and ethics. How easily it seems we forget just how it was that the Saving and Loan debacle could have happened. Wall Street was allowed to swindle millions of Americans out of their life saving - a fact - and Wall Street is only part of the problem. Giving corporate America greater control over how government is run is going to be our ruin, not Medicare and Social Security. If the media outlets were to begin today calling out the corporations and government leadership today one would immediately see how quickly those media sources would be shut down. Why you ask? Because each of them is controlled by big business. What perhaps began as a Democracy in the New World, has become an Oligarcy or if you will, a Plutocracy. Our experiment of Democracy is a mere shadow of itself although still attempting to be all that it could be. Does anyone care that the flag of patriotism which the Republican Party and others love to wrap themselves in, is a ruse? The general population must stop fooling its collective self and awaken to the fact that most of us have been marginalized to the point of breaking into pieces on everything thing that actually matters most. So you ask, what does all this have to do with "Occupy...?" it has everything to do with it. And those who put it down by questioning why it seems to have no cohesive central message - the reasons are obvious. These gatherings are the outward expressions of the collective frustrations, anger and disappointments of millions of individuals struggling to survive in what appears to be a glass ceiling(the 1%) so impenetrable that life is beginning to feel hopeless. Jobs and manufacturing that have been outsourced, wages, benefits cut to the bone, life support jerked out from under their feet to feed corporate greed. What we see happening right before our eyes is the remaking of America into a third world country. All the markers are already here. A weakened population lorded over by the fortunate few. Now, that is something to be uncomfortable about, not a collection of people camping out to express themselves!

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skinny 2 years, 5 months ago

And what you’re doing is helpful?? How do you contribute to society? Do you work or own a home here in Lawrence? Shop here in Lawrence? Buy your new cars here in Lawrence?Invest in the stock market? Send your kids to a private school? Send you kids to KU? Probably none of the above! So what are you doing to stimulate the economy? Nothing!

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 5 months ago

I feel energized too. I think I'll go outside and rally.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 5 months ago

Yea, our congressional representatives are too busy trying to nail down the next contribution from the Koch Bros. to waste any of their time reading thoughtful letters.

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contodorespeto 2 years, 5 months ago

Looking at the recent developments on the state level, you may realize that writing to our congressmen has not helped us much.

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XEPCT 2 years, 5 months ago

In Lawrence they are just preaching to the choir. If they really believe in this stuff they should go to the capital and try to change someone's mind. The idea that they are showing solidarity with the people in New York is a little bit silly, because people from Larryville are way ahead of the curve on this. Solidarity means shopping locally and keeping money here. Which people in Lawrence already do quite enthusiastically. I'm curious as to how many of these folks wrote thoughtful letters to their congressmen about their grievances before setting up camp in South Park.

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