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Occupy Lawrence members ticketed in South Park

October 22, 2011

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Occupy Lawrence members ticketed for remaining in park after hours

Occupy Lawrence member Stephen Robinson speaks about receiving a ticket for remaining in South Park after park hours on Saturday, Oct. 22, 2011. Enlarge video

At least eight members of the protest group Occupy Lawrence were ticketed early Saturday morning for remaining in South Park after hours.

Lawrence Police Department officers arrived at South Park at around 2 a.m., where members of the group have been camping for the past week. The citations included a summons to appear in municipal court on Nov. 15.

It appeared that those who wished were given the option to leave the park before being cited. Several members of the group said they left to avoid penalties and then returned after police officers had gone.

A handful of onlookers in a separate part of the park watched as protesters received tickets.

Occupy Lawrence member Jessica Barron said officers targeted members of her group, but failed to ticket anyone who did not appear to be a member.

"Their justification for issuing those tickets is they have to universally apply the law. But they did not universally apply the law."

Protester Stephen Robinson said he was happy to stay and receive a citation, but he would not be willing to be arrested because he could not afford to lose his job.

Protesters remained in the park after police officers left.

Check back to LJWorld.com for updates as the story develops.

Comments

ThePilgrim 2 years, 5 months ago

Camping in a park in the middle of the night is not about First Amendment rights. And it is not about protesting. I drove by the other night, and I saw people camping in the park. Not a protest. What the heck is the message? True protesting would be truly "occupying". Go camp on the State House in Topeka. Go camp on Koch's grounds in Wichita. Or, if you really want to "occupy Lawrence", disrupt city government, which you say is also in bed with business. Or disrupt business on Mass Street in civil disobedience. Otherwise this is just a campout or a "love in".

Using Rosa Park's name in the same sentence as any of this is a disgrace to her and all the civil disobedience of the '60's.

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JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 5 months ago

I wish the LJW would do a better job explaining what the City's rationale is for ticketing peaceful protesters who are on public property. I understand that the city has passed an ordinance that officially closes city parks during the night. However, the City chooses not to enforce a lot of city ordinances like property maintenance ordinances except on a complaint basis. Did someone comlain? This group is seeking to exercise First Amendment Rights so it seems to me that some wide latitude should be granted as long as real laws are not broken. By real laws I mean things like property crimes or crimes against people. Our city claims to be progressive, but doesn't act like it...

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KCHunter 2 years, 5 months ago

Yes and no, I think.

It is true that, as a result of China's economic reform, we see some people get rich, and the youth are getting more open minded to the western values. However, given the political system that China has, 70 years of communism propagandas, and the mentality of Chinese nationalism, it is hard to say people there will or will not meet up the western expectation, specifically from those so call globalists.

For China to keep up the pace of their economic growth, they have to act very aggressively in search resources, and in improve their arm force to meet global challenges. In fact, recent development in South China Sea and East China Sea are good indication of potential regional conflict seem more likely.

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George Lippencott 2 years, 5 months ago

wELL THAT TRADE DEFICIT HAS BOUGHT US A MIDDLE CLKASS cHINA WITH A MUCH LOWER POTENTIAL FRO ARMED CONFLICT.

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Armored_One 2 years, 5 months ago

So if the "1%" have such an iron grip on the government, is there a line that the protestors are unwilling to cross to acheive their goals?

If the elections are rigged, then there is no point in voting.

To change anything at that point, you are going to have to consider violence. Are you willing to commit violence against someone, since that is very possibly what might be required?

Mob mentality rules, as always.

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demonfury 2 years, 5 months ago

This is truly entertainment at it's best. This all shifts to a legal battle between idiots in the park and an idiot Mayor. I can't wait for the 15th so I can go watch, What a joke all of this is.

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waynelsworld 2 years, 5 months ago

We live in a society of entitlements. When we subsidize the oil companies who make record profits, provide tax shelters to the wealthy, send jobs overseas and get a tax break for doing it we allow foreign interests to dictate policy as we borrow more and more from them. We have become a society that taxes the people to the point of a future without a middle class. But for the government and the corporations robbing our paychecks and 401K's, we as a people would be provided the opportunity to decide for ourselves how the fruits of our labor are spent and we could invest in our children, the future of our society.

(New Paragraph) "It is the eternal struggle between these two principles----right and wrong--throughout the world. They are the two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time; and will ever continue to struggle." ......Abe Lincoln

(Another new Paragraph) What they are doing is wrong. We have the right to demonstrate against what is wrong. If a stand is not taken now are we prepared for the consequences of our inaction?

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RedOctober 2 years, 5 months ago

I support most aspects of Occupy Wall street. The one slogan I disagree with is the 99% part. Yes, it's abundantly clear that there is the 1% ruling class and some unidentified number of lap dogs who get very little in return for their doggie loyalty but nevertheless roll over obediently and even turn on other their fellow citizens. They are happy as long as nothing is wrong because they were fortunate not to have a sudden medical expense or not lose employment. But actually, some of these creatures will continue to spew the right wing line even if their economic affairs are in shambles because they do not feel enough self-worth to stand up for themselves. They only obey. This is evident from many of the above posts.

Bozo, grammady - I appreciate you using arguments that reflect reality but these people are primarily from this class of beings I have described above. It may simply not be worth the time.

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wade4444 2 years, 5 months ago

Atiopatioo, as someone who personally received a citations last night this is what i have to say in response. I have been supporting myself for the last year completely independent of my parents/ family. I have been working at least one full time job during that time frame. I find it insulting when people drive by screaming out "Get a job you dirty f@#$ing hippies". Now i am looking at going back to going to school. My tuition for being a full time student is looking at being about $5000 per semester. Books are going to cost about another 500 per semester. To live in the dorms is going to be about another $10,000 per year. Then there are other living expenses. Grand total for me to go to one year of schooling at KU comes out to about $23,000. Let me ask you this. Do you personally think that you can work full time, go to school, and still have some time to yourself to maintain your sanity all at the same time? Tuition rates in the last 5 years have raised %300. minimum wage has raised $2. How would you go about it when you have no options left? My parents cant afford to help me out with schooling. Now maybe i am out of line and you are just a better person than I who is able to handle 15 credit hours while working a full time night job. Though somehow i do not see how it is out of line for us to stand up and say this is not right. The children of the middle class are getting screwed out of life. Our parents do not make enough money to support us through school like the children of the wealthy and they make to much money for us to be able to apply for financial aid. I am welcome to suggestions on how to fix this problem but with me looking at $100,000 in dept before the age of 25 just for an education, something doesn't seem right about that.

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uglyrumor 2 years, 5 months ago

Vietnam Vet with a cardboard sign Sitting there by the left turn line Flag on the wheelchair flapping in the breeze One leg missing, both hands free No one's paying much mind to him The V.A. budget's stretched so thin And there's more comin' home from the Mideast war We can't make it here anymore That big ol' building was the textile mill It fed our kids and it paid our bills But they turned us out and they closed the doors We can't make it here anymore

Some have maxed out all their credit cards Some are working two jobs and living in cars Minimum wage won't pay for a roof, won't pay for a drink If you gotta have proof just try it yourself Mr. CEO See how far 5.15 an hour will go Take a part time job at one of your stores Bet you can't make it here anymore

High school girl with a bourgeois dream Just like the pictures in the magazine She found on the floor of the laundromat A woman with kids can forget all that If she comes up pregnant what'll she do Forget the career, forget about school Can she live on faith? live on hope? High on Jesus or hooked on dope When it's way too late to just say no You can't make it here anymore

Now I'm stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart store Just like the ones we made before 'Cept this one came from Singapore I guess we can't make it here anymore

Should I hate a people for the shade of their skin Or the shape of their eyes or the shape I'm in Should I hate 'em for having our jobs today No I hate the men sent the jobs away I can see them all now, they haunt my dreams All lily white and squeaky clean They've never known want, they'll never know need Their sh@# don't stink and their kids won't bleed Their kids won't bleed in the da$% little war And we can't make it here anymore

Will work for food Will die for oil Will kill for power and to us the spoils The billionaires get to pay less tax The working poor get to fall through the cracks Let 'em eat jellybeans let 'em eat cake Let 'em eat sh$%, whatever it takes They can join the Air Force, or join the Corps If they can't make it here anymore

And that's how it is That's what we got If the president wants to admit it or not You can read it in the paper Read it on the wall Hear it on the wind If you're listening at all Get out of that limo Look us in the eye Call us on the cell phone Tell us all why

In Dayton, Ohio Or Portland, Maine Or a cotton gin out on the great high plains That's done closed down along with the school And the hospital and the swimming pool Dust devils dance in the noonday heat There's rats in the alley And trash in the street Gang graffiti on a boxcar door We can't make it here anymore

Music and lyrics © 2004 by James McMurtry

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atiopatioo 2 years, 5 months ago

I can't feel sorry for people that can't make it in this country. Haiti, China, Uganda, Vietnam are all available for fairness. Oh, and Russia.

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waynelsworld 2 years, 5 months ago

Moderate......We do not need to change any laws we just need equal protection under the law. The First Ammendment was written long before the City Ordinance. It is Federal Law.

This is without doubt the first time the City Ordinance has been challenged. Just because they put it in the code does not make it constitutional under these circumstances. When they try to apply their ordinance in this circumstance it does not apply.

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KCHunter 2 years, 5 months ago

don't know much about laws, just a few thought of my common senses.

What is law? whose law? Isn't law suppose to protect people's interest? Isn't it suppose to be people's law? What law is it otherwise? should people obey laws that work against people's interest? What is wrong with those who are protesting in people's interest? Aren't those statements they made indeed the legitimate concerns from the general public? or they are just a bunch of law beakers defending their own personal interest?

Politics is alway about taking side. What side the city or Lawrence is on?

Speaking of law, what about constitution? what about the spirit of our fight for freedom?

For those who emphasis in obeying laws, I can't diagree with you, but using it as an argument, I would think you better be a citizen of a totalitarian state like China (where I grew up), where you can enjoy the Harmony of nobody have to say anythings, but to obey whatever "laws".

I share concerns from the general public, and support those who exercise their rights speek up in people's interest.

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uncleandyt 2 years, 5 months ago

Power is in a panic. Red-Righties are starting to explore the possibility that they have been lied to by their radio-Gods. Avoid the Rush, start thinking for yourself today !

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waynelsworld 2 years, 5 months ago

I do want to say this the police are just following orders. But like Paul Newman said in Cool Hand Luke "Just because you are following orders don't make it right."

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waynelsworld 2 years, 5 months ago

Incoherant rant??

Here is the Cliff Notes version:

1st Ammendment to the Constitution protects your rights to Freedom of Speech and Assembly. The Supreme Court of the US says that the police and goverment can not quash it by using a violation of some other law or ordinance unless there is a danger of "immenent lawless action. The demonstartors have shown no such intent.

Therfore, the City of Lawrence has no right to intercede using a Parks and Recreation Ordinace to quash the demonstration.

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justme2 2 years, 5 months ago

waynesworld- your "ran" t was not incoherent. it was spot on.

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waynelsworld 2 years, 5 months ago

I am still waiting for an argument against my original post. The City of Lawrence has no justification to stop the protests of those who peaceably assemble.

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waynelsworld 2 years, 5 months ago

Li berty275: I do not agree with what the Phelps do but I do agree with their right to say it. This group is standing up for you. Perhaps you should consider standing up for them.

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oneeye_wilbur 2 years, 5 months ago

hahahahahah A professor who is a lawyer also and complains about Wall Street. That's a good one.That really is! I havn't laughed so hard today since the city moved the protestors from the right of way.

Wanna bet that within a few days, they will all be out. After all, head honchos at City Hall will have to enforce the law uniformily or look more ridiculous than the good professor who is afraid to lose his job. Now then he could complain.

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waynelsworld 2 years, 5 months ago

Cozborn: It was an analogy. When you have the 99% having 11 of the 12 cookies and the rest of us being robbed to support them all chasing one cookie that is left it is just plain wrong. The highest paid CEO in America according to a recent article recieved compensation of $131,000,000 dollars for the last 12 months while the stock holders suffered lossses and employees 401K's in the last quarter went down 23% something is terribly wrong. Change is immenent.

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waynelsworld 2 years, 5 months ago

Let's clear the air and end this discussion once and for all. What is the law? City Ordinance 15-208?

(What say you? I dare anyone to provide an argument against these patriots. When do you stand for something? The Bill of Rights and the Supreme Court say:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.: 1st Amendment

Originally, the First Amendment applied only to laws enacted by the Congress. However, starting with Gitlow v. New York, 268 U.S. 652 (1925), the Supreme Court has held that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies the First Amendment to each state, including any local government.

Seems to me that includes Lawrence, KS

The Supreme Court stated "[Our] decisions have fashioned the principle that the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not allow a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or cause such action"Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

Where is the "imminent lawless action"?

The police and the prosecutors need to re-evaluate their position.

The mayor first said they can stay as long as they want then the prosecutors say we need consistent application of the law. The ordinance was established to keep the homeless from "squatting" in the park. (The original intent) This is not what was intended and they need to all back off or they will be the fools.

This is the Civil Rights movement for the masses in the 21st Century. Pay attention or their will be dire consequences. The 99% may not always vote but if they do exercise that right, as zeluosly as these young patriots, there will be some city fathers looking for other things to do with their time.

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swampyankee 2 years, 5 months ago

Maybe they could occupy Walmart. I think they allow overnight camping and they make money selling foreign crap for huge profits

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 5 months ago

Cite them for littering, if they litter. Cite them for having a open fire, if they have such a fire and if it is illegal. But just for being there, participating in what is clearly political speech, no, that's exactly what's protected by the first amendment.

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ccp 2 years, 5 months ago

Why are people so offended at a group that is only trying to make a statement about what they believe to be injustices in our society. Are we really so polarized that we wish harm on those who make statements we disagree with? Regardless of what you feel about the whole "Occupy" thing, how about we just say, "Hell yeah. America really is awesome. Look at what we're allowed to do and how we're allowed to express ourselves." Come on, guys. Let's embrace our differences whether those differences are in the form of race, religion, or beliefs. I'm so tired of this my-way or no-way attitude.

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kansasfire911 2 years, 5 months ago

1%? So we're protesting biker gangs. I'm so confused. Guess I'll just go to work.

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Jimo 2 years, 5 months ago

“If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn’t help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we’ve got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don’t want to do it.” ― Stephen Colbert

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eugunieum 2 years, 5 months ago

I wonder if they would still want to stay there if the city put a fence up around the park and called it Gitmo North? Of course they would be allowed to come and go except when the park "closes" at whatever time. Then the gates would be shut. Just kidding around here, I could really care less what they do as long as no one gets hurt. They could go to Wells Overlook park, one of the area's big time protesters lives out there, and I am sure he would welcome them. Have a great day.

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kernal 2 years, 5 months ago

For LJW's next "On the Street" question, they could ask people who they think they 1% are.

From some of the postings on this particular article, it appears some have misconceptions that they are part of the 1%. Sorry, folks, but the 1% does not live in Lawrence, KS.

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lunacydetector 2 years, 5 months ago

have they decided what they're protesting? since they make up .009% of the population, what does this 99% supposed to mean?

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Shane Garrett 2 years, 5 months ago

I watched the 1% last night, a documentary by Jamie Johnson, heir to Johnson & Johnson fortune. He did an interview with Friedman, economist who come up trickle down economy. I think that there is some changes that could take place. I realize that really rich people are totally out of touch with the rest of the world. All I am trying to say is give this documentary a view then make your own decisions.

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cozborn 2 years, 5 months ago

They are using computers, which mean they support unethical material sourcing that most corporations use to build them.

They are have been killing the grass at the park,

Those signs tied to the trees are hurting the cambium layer of the trees.

They are using city electricity for free.

These free loading nature hating hypocrites should just pay what they owe and rise above,

I tell you what, I will pay for anyone of them a trip to Somalia , that way they no longer have to worry about rich people giving people jobs. They can camp wherever they want,

Though I fear that they will become the 1% of Somalia, Those tents are pretty nice, and that's just not fair to all those people living in cardboard boxes.

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huero_stevo 2 years, 5 months ago

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

"It really blows my mind how the same class of people that can approve remodeling a library at the cost of $18 million, can call a foul on anyone else in their risky financial ventures"

The nice thing about this is taxpaying voters were given the opportunity of VOTE on the matter. Taxpaying voters were not given an opportunity to vote for or against the Bush/Cheney home loan fraud nor for or against the Reagan/Bush home loan scam.

Nor were 11 million voting taxpayers allowed to vote for or against unemployment.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

The fact that they pay taxes provides them the right to use our city parks just like anyone else.

BTW the Wall Street Fraud crews are the enablers and should pay for the crimes they committed.

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Ken Lassman 2 years, 5 months ago

Not a bad idea, jesse. I think the occupy lawrence would be happy to pay rent for maintaining their venue.

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jesse499 2 years, 5 months ago

That's a good idea let them stay but charge them rent.

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darthtaco 2 years, 5 months ago

LOL. They should just not show for thier police state monkey court dates. I fail to see the logic in the HATRED from the red state hicks. These people are sick of the crap. BUT because of simple red state politics, they are "worthless, deadbeats,ect.." :YEah- right....just like the 150,000 hicks at country stampede where all the crime took place. Underaged drinking, drugs, rapes, robberies, ect....but....turn a blind eye to them...."they is good people".....

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

"How many of those "campers" even pay taxes?"

Each time they make purchases and each time they make a purchase that somehow supports the protest. Each time they buy gasoline = big time taxes.

If they are paying rent they are in fact paying personal property taxes. Utility bills and phone bills include taxes.

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jesse499 2 years, 5 months ago

At any other time if I went to the park and set up a tent they would run me out in 5 minutes.They give these people 2 weeks and their being picked on?

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

One can believe in the cause big time yet see the need to remain employed and out on the streets as more effective than sitting in jail briefly and spending money on the court system. This is just one way of showing their belief in the cause.

Quite practical thinking.

While others making a statement through the court system is just one way of showing their belief in the cause.

There are many ways to demonstrate one's belief in a cause. It could be said that those protesting the protesters are demonstrating their belief in crime,fraud and serving the special interests that in fact perpetrated the fraud on the American people.

It could be said that those protesting the protesters are demonstrating their belief in that it is okay that 11 million more were put out of work as a result of the fraudulent home loan industry in spite of the trillions upon trillions dollars of economic growth being being lost daily as the end result.

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its_just_math 2 years, 5 months ago

Wait. This does not stack up to what Christy Kennedy is saying. Is the LPD corrupt?

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ToriFreak13 2 years, 5 months ago

Let's compare how much of "our money" is being stolen by wall street to those lying to get any of the various government assistance offerings, or the millions lost to those lying to pad their tax refunds. I live off $30,000 a year. I have been able to purchase a house in 2009, a used 2008 car also in 2009, take road trips, go back to school, AND still have an appropriate savings for my age. The "99 per centers" that are doing all this whining are the same that run around with their hands out on a regular basis (minus the few political crybabies). There are more than ample opportunities to be better off than you are. Instead you want to throw stones at those better than you. It really blows my mind how the same class of people that can approve remodeling a library at the cost of $18 million, can call a foul on anyone else in their risky financial ventures. Even if that risk trickles down to the taxpayers. How many of those "campers" even pay taxes? The economy has taken a hit on everyone. Most of you got the gut check you needed to show you were living above and beyond your means. Blame it on the millions of dollars put into marketing schemes. Whatever. You fell for it. You signed the dotted line. You voted for the crooks in office. Stop whining. Get a job. Fix your credit. Educate yourself. Enjoy the rest of your existence.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

The "99%" need to be out on the streets because the other"1%" happen to include too many our elected officials who perhaps were concerned about their own investments taking serious hits.

About the first $700 billion under the Bush/Cheney/Paulson plan...

ONLY 3 financial institutions instead of several were at risk so why $700 billion in bail out money? One of the biggest lies perpetrated to American citizens. Where did this money go? Why were some banks forced to take bail out money?

"Since the onset of the financial crisis and the passage of the Bush administration’s $700 billion bailout of Wall Street what were the factors in deciding who received bailout funds?

And what happened to all the money? The answer to those two simple questions is: We don’t know.

The Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative team Donald Barlett and James Steele tried to find an answer. The problem is, they write, "once the money left the building, the government aka Bush/Cheney/Paulson lost all track of it."

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

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Norma Jeane Baker 2 years, 5 months ago

"Protester Stephen Robinson said he was happy to stay and receive a citation, but he would not be willing to be arrested because he could not afford to lose his job. " == Then he must not really believe in 'the cause'. Sounds kind of wimpy and milquetoast to me.

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Abdu Omar 2 years, 5 months ago

Ok, Lawrence Police Department, let's tread on the Constitution. Arrest them, make them go to court and explain why they were there, make them criminals for standing up to the Wall Street Bankers who took $700 Billion from taxpayer money for bonuses and raises for the CEO's. This is the crime, not protesting it. There are no better ways to make a statement in this country than to do this because Congress isn't listening to the people, the President has his own agenda, and we the people have no voice. Where do we go to effect change? Even our state government is deaf to the real needs of Kansans. We are frustrated, we are tired of this, but no government official cares.

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somebodynew 2 years, 5 months ago

Yes, I am the 99%, and I still think these people need to be removed from the park and arrested if that is what it takes.

If I didn't hate cold weather so much, and camping out, I would try to organize a "protest against the protest" and set up across the street from them and tell the Police I will leave when you enforce the law against them.

If they really want to accomplish anything they will work to change the laws, not break them.

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grammaddy 2 years, 5 months ago

Wake up folks.WE are the 99%. Know what this is all about before you criticize.

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KS 2 years, 5 months ago

"Protester Stephen Robinson said he was happy to stay and receive a citation, but he would not be willing to be arrested because he could not afford to lose his job." I didn't think these folks had a job? Pray for a brutal winter.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 5 months ago

How about the enablers of these fine young people pay for the citations.... Those enablers that are cheering them on to break the law etc etc etc.

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greenworld 2 years, 5 months ago

What about all the homeless people that float around downtown and after hours??? I would assume because their not protesting that they get a free pass... ha what a joke. So what happens if they move to the sidewalk>> Is there provisions to it also?? Last time I checked anybody can walk on a sidewalk but I guess when they show signs of sitting down or protesting if you would that becomes a crime.. God - go enforce something else and catch some real bad guys, I wonder why there is so much crime in lawrence and people's house's getting broke into cuz the cops are dealing with these people. If you want to protest wall street go to wall street and do it, Nobody in lawrence cares about that stuff. Wall Street has been corrupt for 50 some years and nobody cared about it up unto today. give me a break.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

I would avoid future citations. Instead how about putting that money that may go to fines and court costs back into OWS?

Keep coming back to the park then relocating here and there such 9th and Mass, on 6th at the the Frisbee park etc etc etc.

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