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Protesters ready for long occupation of South Park

Josh Spence, a Lawrence resident participating in Occupy Lawrence, ties down the group's banner near the edge of the park on Monday, Oct. 17, 2011. Nick Krug/Journal-World Photo

Josh Spence, a Lawrence resident participating in Occupy Lawrence, ties down the group's banner near the edge of the park on Monday, Oct. 17, 2011. Nick Krug/Journal-World Photo

October 18, 2011

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The Occupy Lawrence Protest

Lawrence resident Jason Phoenix talks about the Occupy Lawrence protest at South Park, which is organized to coincide with the Occupy Wall Street protest in New York. Enlarge video

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For now at least, the occupation continues.

A small, diverse group of activists, inspired by the national Occupy Wall Street protests that have cropped up this past month, have built an “Occupy Lawrence” camp in South Park. Their first rally — in front of US Bank, 900 Mass. — took place Oct 8. They’ve had tents pitched in the park since this past Saturday and, despite chillier weather and even a little rain Monday, they say they’ll continue to “occupy” indefinitely.

The group obtained one 24-hour permit to stay in the park from Saturday to Sunday. So, technically, camp members sleeping on-site Sunday and Monday nights violated a city ordinance — the park is closed from 11:30 p.m. to 8 a.m. But people involved say there have been no clashes with officials, save a polite request by parks and recreation workers to move the tents about 10 feet to accommodate tree maintenance. The bathrooms within the park remain open.

Mayor Aron Cromwell says the city has no intention of kicking the occupiers out any time soon, at least so long as they continue to be peaceful.

“We’ll continue to do our best to work with the group,” Cromwell said. “They understand that they can’t have the park completely to themselves, and we understand that they want to get across their message of, well, I’m not exactly sure of what, but to voice their frustration.”

“Legal liaison” Jennifer Dillon Christensen talked with Cromwell on the phone Monday afternoon. She said that the mood remains amicable, both within the group and between it and the city. That said, the protesters plan to remain in the park “until progress is made.”

How they’ll define that progress remains unclear. But with working groups — on media, donations, legal matters and recruitment — a voting system and even a social media campaign, this small offshoot of the movement does have its organization.

Who are they?

Some are young, some are old, some are students, some are transient, some have full-time jobs. In short, there’s not exactly one defining characteristic in them all. Ginny Cambron, who’s been organizing the group’s resources throughout the weekend, said that they’re open to all walks of life. What brings them together, she said, was “a hope for a community that’s more unified and equal.”

What do they want?

The group itself is still trying to figure that out. They have a website, where the main point of discussion appears to be highlighting and asking for change in the widening economic disparity, the main point of contention for the original New York protesters.

Jason Phoenix, the appointed media representative, said that the main goal is “starting a conversation with the community about how corporate greed is destroying our environment and our humanity.”

The occupy protests taking place across the country, he said, will, if nothing else, help build a generation that can be “future leaders.”

“We’re building little governments of our own,” he said. “It’s training camps for future leaders who can go on to influence our country and help make things more fair.”

How do they operate?

There’s been a general assembly every evening at 6 p.m. since Saturday. The consistent participants — about 20 in all — engage in direct democracy. Individuals propose resolutions and then give hand signals for votes — two arms up for support, two arms down for disagreement. Monday night, they unanimously passed a proposal to send a delegation of at least three to today’s City Commission meeting. They don’t have a list of specific demands for the commission. Instead, they plan to say thanks for the understanding and that they plan to stay at least through the week.

They give away food and take donations of supplies. Jessie Anderson, who volunteered to be a donations coordinator, said Monday afternoon that they had gotten food from several local businesses and even $100 in cash from a passer-by.

The Rev. Joshua Longbottom, associate pastor of Plymouth Congregational Church, 925 Vt., said his church had agreed to work with the group “as schedules allow” to share kitchen space in its efforts to share food with Lawrence’s disadvantaged.

“A movement for economic justice is in line with the goals of our denomination,” he said.

Why South Park?

Christensen said they chose the park, despite it not having a perceived “anti-corporate” significance, because of a historical importance of protest there. And the visibility close to downtown helps them “start a conversation,” as Phoenix said, with residents like-minded and otherwise. The weekly downtown rallies they plan for in front of US Bank are all about visibility, too, they say.

People come and go within the group — even after just two days of “occupation” — but most speak of the long term as they use their voting process to hash out details of their demands and continue to peacefully assemble.

Everyone from the mayor to the pastor to the protester says the future of the group is “wait and see” but several within the group remain hopeful about the possibility of some kind of change.

“The spirit is strong; the vision is clear,” Christensen said.

Comments

equalaccessprivacy 3 years, 5 months ago

Lawrence may be one place already way too occupied by scary ignorant yahoos that just will not get the message and realize they really are most unwelcome to barge up into strangers' lives. Presumptuousness personified---reeking with sexism! What kind of people think they have any right to violate a stranger by opening car doors for them. So offensively patronizing! These ignoramii just need to keep their clueless butts away from me. So dislike the socially unintelligent and intellectually challenged majority of Lawrence! Politically aware and philosophically sophisticated they are not.

muhaha 3 years, 5 months ago

And that is why you post anonymously. Why don't you tell us your real name so we can come and let you know how we fell. You wimp hiding behind a computer.

muhaha 3 years, 5 months ago

I'll tell you my name if you tell me yours.

MarcoPogo 3 years, 5 months ago

His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert Paulson...

muhaha 3 years, 5 months ago

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Blessed4x 3 years, 5 months ago

This post sounds terribly threatening. Is this the way of OWS? Intimidation and fear?

Erin Graham 3 years, 5 months ago

I hope they have lots of blankets! It's gonna get cold this week. Maybe someone could rig up a big thing of hot cocoa for them??

ljwhirled 3 years, 5 months ago

Nazi reference. -1,000 pts. Automatic loss of argument.

Getaroom 3 years, 5 months ago

FHNC: you are way off base here and you have arrived at all those assumptions and conclusions how? Never mind I think it is obvious.
Every American on the earth should join in with this or other "occupations". What happened and will continue to happen at the hands of greedy thieves on Wall Street simply must be stopped for the future welfare of societies throughout the globe. World economies are a wreck, joblessness is high in most areas of the globe and what possible good can come of pushing people deeper into despair and poverty? So you prefer what to bringing thieves to light? You want the free market to take of itself? Good luck, we see where that has gotten us. This is not a Party(as in the Tea Party) and best it not become one either. The longer this continues, and it will somewhere, the more well spoken participants will come forward to tell their stories and Faux News cannot squelch all of them, not that they won't try.

TheEyeofUS 3 years, 5 months ago

Yah, but if these guys in south park are like the one's on wall street then they are blaming the wrong people for problems most can agree exist. It's NOT capitalism that is causing these problematic issues it's CORPORATISM. Free market is okay as long as corporations don't dictate gov't policy. These protest will turn into a "party" because some of the dems in office have already embraced it. Just like the reps w/the tea party.

Tristan Moody 3 years, 5 months ago

I find it amazing that two groups so diametrically opposed to one another as the nazis on the extreme right and the communists on the far left can find common ground in the movement. It must really have broad-spectrum appeal.

lunacydetector 3 years, 5 months ago

"What do they want?

The group itself is still trying to figure that out."

“The spirit is strong; the vision is clear."

......?

where is former mayor boog and his merry men (and women) of anarchy?

i'm surprised our current crackpot mayor isn't joining these people of such clear vision.

Lisa Medsker 3 years, 5 months ago

Yes. Businesses do exist to make a profit. But when nobody can afford to patronize the businesses, where is that profit supposed to come from?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

"But they won't protest D.C."

You're wrong. There have been protests in Washington, and there will be more and bigger ones.

"because they worship government."

They certainly don't worship the unholy alliance between mega-corporations/Wall Street and government.

But folks like you would flush government and give everything over to those who pretty much own everything already, including control of major functions of the government.

Others, myself included, think that both corporations and governments can be used in ways that are more equitable and fair to all, while simultaneously protecting and even expanding individual autonomy.

But to accomplish that, the status quo will have to go.

madameX 3 years, 5 months ago

"If these people have a problem with Wall Street and their bailout/behavior their beef is with D.C."

It is and it isn't. Wall Street behaves the way it chooses to behave (as much as a multifaceted entity like Wall Street can be said to choose to do anything) As I see it, part of the problem all along has been that Wall Street does what it does, that hurts Main Street, but rather than turning around to Wall Street and saying "Cut that out" Main Street turns to DC and says "Make them stop." Except I don't think DC has enough influence over Wall Street to do that even if they were actually willing to try.

Point being that IMO, anyone upset with the state of the economy has just as much of a beef with Wall Street as it does with DC, if not more, and I'm glad to see that someone is finally recognizing that.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

"Except I don't think DC has enough influence over Wall Street to do that even if they were actually willing to try."

Those who claim that the beef should be with Washington rather than Wall Street ignore the fact that no one has more power in Washington than Wall Street does. Follow the money.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

" The point is what is their plan/goal to fix the problem? I"

Why don't you do down there and ask them?-- you'll certainly never find out by listening to Fox News and other Wall-Street controlled media.

Lisa Medsker 3 years, 5 months ago

OK. Got it. Everyone must have a job. Nobody should ever pay taxes or depend on any program funded by taxes. Anyone who thinks anything funded by taxes is a "good" thing is a left-wing-liberal-loony.

But I still can't figure out where profits for businesses are supposed to come from when the people who patronize the businesses have no money to do so, and where they are supposed to "just go get a job" where none exist.

I've always considered myself a bit conservative, but maybe my not being able to glean a straight answer to the question from all the "spewing" somehow denotes that I'm a left-wing-liberal-loony?

Lisa Medsker 3 years, 5 months ago

And you still haven't answered my question...

Lisa Medsker 3 years, 5 months ago

If this is the case, then why are so many businesses "going under"? Specifically the smaller, family-owned businesses that don't necessarily have huge debt? Why are so many out of work, and why are so many losing their homes?

What areas of consumer spending have increased, and why? Increased spending is not always an indication of having more wealth.

You'll have to pardon me. That "hard fact" was buried under a bunch of self-inflating insults, and was difficult to find.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

Yea, yea, it's all Barney Frank's fault. Wall Street was just a secondary accomplice.

Bruce Rist 3 years, 5 months ago

There's good Wall Street and bad. That doesn't mean take the whole thing down.

tomatogrower 3 years, 5 months ago

They aren't planning on taking the whole thing down. They are just demanding that Wall Street and our politicians start behaving with morals, not greed.

Grundoon Luna 3 years, 5 months ago

If that's what you think this is all about, you have a giant geranium in the cranium.

CHKNLTL 3 years, 5 months ago

And what did you do to earn your share, big boy? Did you fall out of an ugly tree at 18 and have great credit and a good-paying job and no debt with a brand new house? If you have taken tax deductions for anything (including children), those are a form of "public welfare", so sorry to break that to you, Bub.

grammaddy 3 years, 5 months ago

That has changed. Russell Simmons even called Bloomberg and offered to pay for the cost of the clean-up to avoid any violent confrontations. They are now policing and cleaning up after themselves.

tomatogrower 3 years, 5 months ago

Oh sorry to offend you with the bras. Hope you or anyone you know never get breast cancer. Of course that would never happen and if it did, like a good tea bag person, you would just allow yourself to die, so you wouldn't be a burden on society.

fu7il3 3 years, 5 months ago

"What do you want?"

"We want you to do something!"

"Like what?"

"We don't know. But do it!"

For God's sake. They have nothing to say, but insist on saying it as loud as possible. Come up with a plan or have fun camping.

Grundoon Luna 3 years, 5 months ago

They are saying plenty, you just don't care to listen.

fu7il3 3 years, 5 months ago

"What do they want?

The group itself is still trying to figure that out. "

It's all well and good to say it isn't fair. So, what do they want to do differently? Corporate greed is destroying America? Fine. How do we fix it?

They are all complaints and no answers.

homechanger 3 years, 5 months ago

Looks like the leader of occu-pie southpark is the same goofball that panhandles downtown with misspelled signs. When one of the protesters decides to defecate in the park will we call it an occu-pie?

uncleandyt 3 years, 5 months ago

What's up with all the poo-poo panic? Who is the leader of the dung-scare? Hannity? Beck? I missed that important "news".

jesse499 3 years, 5 months ago

Why don't they occupy Walmart parking lots their greed has push more jobs to China then anyone else!

ljwhirled 3 years, 5 months ago

Because that is private property and Wal-mart would have them arrested.

It would be interesting for the group to roll several thousand people into a Wal-mart parking lot, but I think the outcome would be the same, mass arrests.

The only major problem (and it is major) I see with this movement is that is doesn't appear to have any concrete goals.

walkthehawk 3 years, 5 months ago

I agree, in spirit. Why on earth are you occupying a public park funded for your benefit with public dollars in what has been a holdout stronghold of liberal thought in the vast red sea that is the Midwest? I understand the frustration, but seriously, is DOWNTOWN LAWRENCE, KS the most helpful place for you to be right now? At all? I am just mystified.

ljwhirled 3 years, 5 months ago

They are occupying Lawrence because the live here.

In Topeka they would be arrested.

In Wichita they might be shot.

rtwngr 3 years, 5 months ago

I love the sound bites of the "throw out the Zionists running the banks of our country" rhetoric being shouted at the rallies in New York. Nothing like a little bigotry to really drive home the point. The American Nazi Party really is a ringing endorsement too. I love the way our president, Barack Obama, tossed in the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. posthumous endorsement. So let me get this all straight: Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the American Nazi Party both endorse of the "Occupy Wall Street" crowd? Oh, and the Communist Party is represented, too, along with the AFL-CIO. This is one happy crowd, isn't it?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

"I love the sound bites of the "throw out the Zionists running the banks of our country" rhetoric being shouted at the rallies in New York."

I won't say it didn't happen, but if you knew anything more about these protests than what you hear on Fox News and in the rightwing wackosphere, you'd know that this does not characterized 99.99% of what's happening at these demonstrations.

But I understand that you find your ignorance blissful.

Blessed4x 3 years, 5 months ago

And one person under no control of the leaders of the movement at a Tea Party rally holds up a racist sign and you scream that the Tea Party as a whole is racist. Hello, Kettle, this is the pot, you're black.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

If it was only one sign, you might have a point. But it wasn't, and you don't.

Blessed4x 3 years, 5 months ago

Can you please provide proof of multiple, racist signs and support of such opinions by the Tea Party? I'd be interested in seeing that.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

They certainly didn't form the majority of signs at these rallies, but they were a common occurrence, unlike the unverified single incident you supplied.

At any rate, if you're really interested, finding examples of racism and other forms of intolerance at tea party rallies isn't that hard. Knock yourself out.

grammaddy 3 years, 5 months ago

Discount the "occupy" movement all you want. It's gettin bigger every day.The world is watching.

fu7il3 3 years, 5 months ago

The world is watching. That's the point. But despite the world is watching they don't have anything to say. When the attention is on you in this era, you had better have something to say, or someone else is going to put words in your mouth. The attention span of modern America is short. If they don't say something now, in a couple of weeks no one will care anymore.

The truth is, they don't know any better than the rest of us. They are like children. They are upset, but don't know what to do to fix it. At some point, all the "occupiers" will go home or no one will care. This is their one chance to truly make a difference, and they are blowing it.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

" But despite the world is watching they don't have anything to say."

To the contrary-- they have plenty to say. You're just not willing to listen.

fu7il3 3 years, 5 months ago

They have not given a single plan of how things can be different. Only that they don't like the way things are. If you leave it up to others to come up with the answers, you are never going to like them.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

Their goal is to start a conversation that isn't dominated by Wall Street, et al.

And it's working, even though some like you still prefer to be spoon fed your views by Fox News, etc.

fu7il3 3 years, 5 months ago

I'm not a republican and I won't watch Fox News. Conversations require an exchange of ideas. If you leave the ideas to the people who have been making the decisions up to this point, you'll just keep getting the same ideas.

Someone has to come up with something new, or it is all for nothing.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

"Conversations require an exchange of ideas."

Then go down there and start up a conversation with some of your own ideas. I suspect that you'll hear plenty of ideas from others while you're there.

Phillbert 3 years, 5 months ago

Camping is not activism or action. The reason the Tea Parties got the entire Republican Party to kowtow to their set of incoherent demands (i.e. "Get government out of my Medicare!") was that they got organized, partly thanks to the Kochs and Friends.

You can tell from the wingers' various Nazi references that they're concerned about this movement (and have no knowledge of Godwin's Law.)

Give them something to really be concerned about. Get a coherent message (ex. End Corporate Welfare and roll back the Bush Tax Cuts), then register voters and get them to vote.

LivedinLawrence4Life 3 years, 5 months ago

Let's schedule a job fair at the park at the same time and help people get back to work.

gl0ck0wn3r 3 years, 5 months ago

Yawn. These proles are boring. Let me know when they go all Black Panther or something.

Shane Garrett 3 years, 5 months ago

ROTFL , yep I agree. Lets sing "kum bye yah."

del888 3 years, 5 months ago

I'm excited! A new campground in Lawrence that is closer than Clinton Lake. Is there a hook-up for my 40 ft. motor home? Where can I put my satellite dish? And all this time I thought it was illegal to camp in a city park. Guess not.

skinny 3 years, 5 months ago

It would appear most of those protesting didn't have anything before all this went down. I'd be willing to bet they don't have a dime in the stock market

tomatogrower 3 years, 5 months ago

Well, we can't all sit around and play the market all day long. I mean who would get the real work done in this country?

Grundoon Luna 3 years, 5 months ago

Obviously not you since you're posting all day.

pooter 3 years, 5 months ago

Land of the Free or Home of the Slave?

A true Master doesn't have to protest before his Servants.

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jesse499 3 years, 5 months ago

Lets really screw up investing so all the retired peoples retirement plans go down the tubes and their homeless to that should help.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

Fence 'em in & build a viewing platform so we can go & throw peanuts to the little scamps.

kernal 3 years, 5 months ago

I hope most of the people in the Occupy Lawrence group aren't just reacting to a cause, as I suspect they are. Most people I've asked don't have a clue as to what this is all about and just spout rhetoric they've read on the net.... one in "twitter speak".

I agree with skinny. it's the people who saved money all their lives, invested it in what were considered "safe" instruments only to find out twenty to forty years later that the newer generation of investment bankers are a bunch of crooks and dumb a##es with Napolionic complexes, regardless of their physical stature. Count me in as ticked off, but will protest in my own way - through my vote.

ceccarp 3 years, 5 months ago

Right On!! You've hit the nail on the head!!

acg 3 years, 5 months ago

I think they have plenty to say. I think they are saying they're damned tired of corporate America and the organized crime syndicates we call banks ruining our nation. We all know capitalism is supposed to turn a profit but when they turn such huge profits at the expense of all of us, there's an issue. The banks, who we bailed out btw, are recording record profits. They're foreclosing on people left and right, normal people who were just caught in a bad situation, who lost their jobs when the economy crapped out and were doing just fine before everything went to hell. I think they're saying stop sending all of our jobs overseas, and stop raping us at the checkout counter. I think they're saying we want benefits with our jobs, real benefits, and a fair shake at the mortgage lender counter and the car dealership. I think they're saying we have worked hard, the 99%, the ones who actually work for a living and we're tired of not having anything to show for it. I don't mean the ball players, the actors, the politicians, the CEO's. We all know those dbags don't really work. I mean the construction worker, the sandwich shop guy, the trash collector, the elementary school teacher, etc. Aren't you guys tired of working your asses off every single day and looking around you watching the rich just get richer? A lot of you will preen and postulate that you're doing just fine, you have plenty of everything, but we all know the truth. America is in serious debt, personally and as a nation. You corporate loving republicans have just as much unnecessary debt as the rest of us, so you can talk a big game about how you agree with capitalism and support corporate america and do not support the protesters who are screaming to high heaven for a better life for us all, but we know the truth. We know when you sit down to do the bills each month you get just as aggravated and depressed as us hippy liberal democrats and you're also tired of it. So why don't we get together and show those asses that we're actually tired of it. At this point, I don't want to see any of them elected because they're all poison to our society.

Grundoon Luna 3 years, 5 months ago

Testify!!

To put it simply, because so many of you just don't get it, America is no longer the "Land of Opportunity" so many of us grew up to know and will remain as such until corporate America is forced to bring back the jobs it shipped off

Joe Berns 3 years, 5 months ago

Cough Cough.. bu||sh|t. There's plenty of opportunity, but you won't find it sitting on your butt in the public park whining about stupid stuff. Woe is me, woe is me, I have too many bills to pay and I want my loans absolved.

Stop your pity party, go to work, and live the American dream. I went to college, got a degree, worked my butt off, and have a good paying job, just like my wife does. If you work hard, and give effort, it does pay off, but like I said, you won't reap any benefits sitting on your butt in the park.

gl0ck0wn3r 3 years, 5 months ago

"I think they're saying we have worked hard, the 99%, the ones who actually work for a living and we're tired of not having anything to show for it. I don't mean the ball players, the actors, the politicians, the CEO's. We all know those dbags don't really work."

lulz.

Grundoon Luna 3 years, 5 months ago

You just can't escape that junior high mentally, can you?

ceccarp 3 years, 5 months ago

I agree with you, Azure! Some people just remain like Peter Pan and the Lost Boys.

somedude20 3 years, 5 months ago

Hey, give the kids credit as they found a place where the rent is not too damn high!

Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 5 months ago

"If you can create something that is better than anyone else in the world, the world will beat a path to your door" Observe the works of Steve Jobs, Thomas Edison and Sam Walton (oops, I forgot, you all hate wally world).

Sitting on your dead, lazy ass in a park will not change anything. No one of substance is listening to your stupid protesting. Get off your butts and do something constructive and quit whining.

pooter 3 years, 5 months ago

These lame protests accomphish nothing when the real answer is far simpler.

Convene Grand Juries everywhere and charge ALL elected public officals with perjury by violating their sworn oaths of office.

If the People truly want the cronyism to stop then they don't have to wait until another election to deal with all the massive government corruption that fosters it, they can start this process TODAY.

Jeteras 3 years, 5 months ago

haha funny,, Ill think about em while I sleep in my warm bed.. Who cares . When the world goes to crap and everyone from Washington is looking for their Mcdonalds and food is scarce.. I will still have my guns and I will still know how to hunt,, everything else is just a luxury. The people that know how to survive, will. Give up camping and go learn how to prepare an animal for your family after you kill it if you are really worried....

tbaker 3 years, 5 months ago

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TongiJayhawk 3 years, 5 months ago

Who cares if they are camping out at the park and holding signs. Everyone has their hobbies, but can they at least move their tents every few days so they don't kill the grass?

Michael Rowland 3 years, 5 months ago

Sounds like a really half-baked idea, as if a bunch of students with too much time on their hands heard about Occupy Wall Street and wanted to protest too.

ceccarp 3 years, 5 months ago

It's not just students, it's people from all walks of life and of all ages. Many of whom have jobs and still cannot afford to make ends meet. And the ideas are not "half-baked." They are fully baked in the pressure cooker of an unstable economy fed by corporate greed.

Michael Rowland 3 years, 5 months ago

If this Lawrence version of Occupy Wall Street wasn't half-baked then they'd at least have a few concrete ideas of why they're protesting.

seriouscat 3 years, 5 months ago

Anyone who became angry at the way the media brushed the Tea Party with a broad racist brush based upon one or two people who claimed to "speak for the movement" ought to think twice about the way the media is dressing up OWS as a bunch of commies, hippies, anarchists (fill in the blank with whatever is most likely to get a knee-jerk reaction out of the most people). Why does the media do this to the most grass roots of organizations the minute they begin to gain some steam hmmmm?

Basically the tea party and the OWS movement are born out of the same frustration over the undue influence of the unholy alliance between giant multi-billion dollar business interests and our government that leaves the average person powerless and voiceless. Why would the media change their course of action when divide and conquer works so effectively for so long?

somedude20 3 years, 5 months ago

"Why does the media do this to the most grass roots of organizations the minute they begin to gain some steam hmmmm?" Because most of the media is in bed with the very corporations and banks that helped start this mess that these people are protesting

ceccarp 3 years, 5 months ago

Right On!! You speak the truth!! I couldn't have said it better myself!!

campblood 3 years, 5 months ago

I'll survive because being broke is not a new concept for me.

Corruption, greed, marginalization of the common "man", aren't either.

heygary 3 years, 5 months ago

A bunch of haters! If you dislike the United States and capitalism so much, please go camp somewhere else ... Canada is pretty!

ceccarp 3 years, 5 months ago

I don't hate capitalism, I just hate that those parts of our society that make the money while putting forth the least amount of effort. And Canada sounds lovely, but they have their own problems. And who would pay my moving expenses?? I cannot afford to move. Are you volunteering???

tecuani 3 years, 5 months ago

If America were truly "capitalist" as you claim, none of the banks on Wall Street these guys are protesting against would even be here.

Most people recognize the need for a market economy, but there has to be some level of responsibility on the part of those that control the market.

The market is strong, because of the United States and the growth of the past half century. It is the market powers who have failed to keep up their end of the bargain by helping keep America strong.

These people LOVE America, probably more than you. The more you exercise your rights the more you love America in my opinion. They are exercising their right as free peoples, while the only right you are exercise is the right to run your mouth and call names. How free are you?

Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

Take the folks some warm food throughout the days..... we took some down this AM.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

About the Wall Street bunch:

Wall Street Bank Fraud cost consumers $ trillions, millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. Exactly like the Reagan/Bush home loan scam. Can we say Deja Vu. Yep seems to be a pattern. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

We all know how much you miss President Reagan, merrill. The man is dead. At some point you just have to start living your life in the present day. (from a source)

ceccarp 3 years, 5 months ago

No! By unanimous consensus it was decided that illegal drugs and alcohol are banned from the camp! Anyone partaking will be asked to leave.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

A SuperSoaker loaded with fox urine......

Newell_Post 3 years, 5 months ago

OMG! Malcontents have occupied South Park! Put Cartman, Kenny, Kyle, and Stan on the case. They will clear out the troublemakers. ....except somebody killed Kenny....

deec 3 years, 5 months ago

The movement is global, including Canada. The whole world is impacted by the greed of world financiers and multinational corporations in collusion with governments. While Canada has fared a little better than the U.S. and Europe, they still have occupy groups in several cities, including Vancouver, Calgary, Regina, Winnipeg, Toronto Montreal, Quebec City and St. Johns (NB).

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

"Historically, a story about people inside impressive buildings ignoring or even taunting people standing outside shouting at them turns out to be a story with an unhappy ending."

"It is not always the job of people shouting outside impressive buildings to solve problems. It is often the job of the people inside, who have paper, pens, desks, and an impressive view."

"99 percent is a very large percentage. For instance, easily 99 percent of people want a roof over their heads, food on their tables, and the occasional slice of cake for dessert. Surely an arrangement can be made with that niggling 1 percent who disagree."

"There may not be a reason to share your cake. It is, after all, yours. You probably baked it yourself, in an oven of your own construction with ingredients you harvested yourself. It may be possible to keep your entire cake while explaining to any nearby hungry people just how reasonable you are."

Lemony Snicket

pooter 3 years, 5 months ago

The final answer is for the People to restore and reside in the Constitutional Republic, you know, the one the Founding Fathers gave us; the one that we gradually abandoned and then replaced in favor of the US Corporation and it's "policies" a long long time ago, and all the problems that have resulted since will end.

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ceccarp 3 years, 5 months ago

If I were a hippie I would resent that remark.

danmoore 3 years, 5 months ago

I'm proud of Lawrence! The banks, with the help of Bush are largely responsible for the economic crisis. These protests are relevant, unlike the hypocritical tea baggers.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

This comment pre-removed for using a vulgar sexual term to refer to a disappointed progressive

AlexTJ 3 years, 5 months ago

What if these people applied their obviously abundant passion and time looking for a job, or developing job related skills?

If they landed a sweet job would they still hate The Man?

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

A democracy run by the wealthy is a plutocracy.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -John F. Kennedy

Mixolydian 3 years, 5 months ago

That whole article read like something from The Onion.

Blessed4x 3 years, 5 months ago

The funny thing is that in this strip, capitalism and freedom worked. Suzie did not purchase the lemonade. She will take her money to a more reasonably priced stand and Calvin will not sell anything. See how that works?

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

Calvin also asked for a bailout/subsidy from the tax payer.

TheEyeofUS 3 years, 5 months ago

What protestors? I just went down there and witnessed a couple of kids playing on the swings and a few people just enjoying the park. I didn't see any protestors at all. I think the article really just hyped up something that appears to not even exist.

myech 3 years, 5 months ago

Why is it that lawrence arrests the homeless for illegal camping and not the ones occupying? Just a question, im not making a statement about either group. I know that they had a permit for the first day but no longer do, so how do they draw the line between illegal and legal camping?

impska 3 years, 5 months ago

I just don't understand why they aren't "occupying" the White House or their state Capitol buildings. Protesting anonymous corporations, mass labelled as "Wall Street" is self-defeating. Those people have no incentive to meet any demands or satisfy protestors. And who is "Wall Street" anyway? Is it Bank of America? Is it Mariscos? Is it Dillons? Walmart? What about Etsy.com? Those are all corporations. They are all profiting off of the 99%.

If they had directed their protests at Congress, they might be in a position to effect positive change. THOSE people have an incentive to listen. Politicians owe their success and failure to movements like this one. Instead they protest Wall Street and guess what is accomplished - Obama endorses the protest movement and spouts some anti-corporate rhetoric (as though he wasn't right there bailing out big banks and "Wall Street").

Why aren't they at the White House saying, "Where's all that change you promised us? Because we haven't forgotten and it looks like more of the same."

Why isn't there a protest at every state capitol building with people asking, "What happened? Why did you sell us out?"

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

"Why isn't there a protest at every state capitol building with people asking, "What happened? Why did you sell us out?""

Why are these protests and the ones you suggest mutually exclusive? And what makes you think that such protests aren't occurring? Wisconsin certainly saw much of what you are suggesting, and if the "austerians" continue to push their agenda of a race to the bottom for the lower 90% of the economic ladder, there will be many more.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

"You clearly understand that the Government not only allowed what has happened on Wall Street but in many cases encouraged it. They do not understand this "

What you fail to understand is the Government would not have "allowed" it if Wall Street hadn't demanded it (and had the power to expect their demands to be met.)

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

"Why don't you put a little more responsibility on your politicians"

I do so regularly. But that doesn't fit in with your straw man arguments, does it?

pooter 3 years, 5 months ago

The real need is to re-occupy the offices of the true, lawful government, and boycott the defacto government otherwise known as US Corporation.

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grammaddy 3 years, 5 months ago

"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world.Indeed it is the only thing that ever has."

James Findley 3 years, 5 months ago

Vagabonds just need some homes.. You would think they would be chilling in Topeka or New York or someplace like that.. You idiots are wasting your time preaching to the choir. Go somewhere that will make a difference not mass street which is practically the antithesis of wall street..

johnnyreb 3 years, 5 months ago

1) Take shower. 2) Get job. 3) Repeat Step 1

uncleandyt 3 years, 5 months ago

4) keep going to that job 5) pay bills 6) get 2nd job to pay for increasing bills 7) tell yourself how happy and satisfied you could be with a 3rd job, cuz the bills keep going up 8) Repeat whatever Rush suggests 9) Repeat step 8 10) consider a 4th job

Benthic 3 years, 5 months ago

Wait unitl the homeless Zombies descend upon the occupy Lawrence camp... Happy early Halloween. LOL

Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

Stand with Occupy Wall Street Not a single banker has gone to jail for crimes that led to the financial meltdown.

http://www.credoaction.com/campaign/occupy_ws/?rc=homepage

Sign The Petition

somedude20 3 years, 5 months ago

If NY got the guitar player from RATM (Tom Morello) to play their sit-in, what kind of star power can Larryville get, the guitar player from Tommy Tutone or the dude who programed the drum loops for Tone Loc's "Funky Cold Medina"?

I just hope that the few of em who do have jobs do not get fired for skipping work and go on social welfare!

ceccarp 3 years, 5 months ago

Right On! Come on down and lend a hand even if you cannot stay over night.

saoirseglen 3 years, 5 months ago

I am one of the Occupy Lawrence people. I cannot speak for everyone there, but I can speak for myself. Some of us are full time students working jobs as well taking time out of our day to fight for a better future. Some of us are retired people who want a better future for our grandchildren. Some of us are Pagan, some of us are Christian, some of us are atheist. As for myself I am a graduate student who is looking for a job while working on keeping my skills current. We have all kinds of views, but what we don't focus on is our differences, rather our similarities, such as the fact that we are all human beings.

We as human beings all have basic rights. We all know the existing system is not right. We need to change it. I don't have all the answers, however, by discussing the issues it is possible for us to find them working together. I have a family and I am thinking about our great-grandchildren's great-grandchildren rather than just what is easy in the moment. I am carrying out what I believe to be right, to speak for those who have no voice as my wife and I are not as well off as some but we are still better off than many. I am taking action to improve things and I believe working together with others is better than griping and grousing on a forum everyday.

I am a doer and a thinker. I don't have to agree with everyone on every possible point. But I do find common ground with most people. I do recommend visiting us and talking with us directly rather than prejudge us with your little paradigms of who you think you are. When in doubt, I go directly to the source to find my information.

pace 3 years, 5 months ago

Benthic, don't be so hard on yourself, You might change, do something, stand up. Just because you see your self as worthless, powerless, impotent, whine and denigrate people who are doing something, doesn't mean you can't change.

saoirseglen 3 years, 5 months ago

I also want to clarify something. I am actively looking for work while attending college, volunteering time as a hospice volunteer visiting patients to make their lives more enjoyable with visits, volunteering my time as a karate instructor and still taking time to protest for a better future. I have two bachelor degrees, Spanish/Anthropology double major and another in computer and information management. I am working on a masters in computer and network security. I am fluent in Spanish and I know how to do carpentry and electrical wiring installation as well as hunt, with those last three skills all self taught out of necessity. I know more skills for living off the land, but that is another topic entirely. I guess that makes me a communist, fascist hippie, right?

acg 3 years, 5 months ago

Sweetie, u r fighting a losing battle with most of this group. They don't want change or difference. They surely don't want solutions to the world's problems, then what would they have to b*tch about? They are happy to sit in their mom's basement, pounding away on the keyboard like so many Hamlet writing monkeys, and piss and moan about what other people are doing. Most of them wouldn't stand up for things that they believe in because that would mean putting in effort, getting off the couch, opening their mind, being positive in their outlook, trying something new, etc. and you won't get most of these folks to see where that's even necessary. They don't care about the future, or our children's future. They are content in their bubble. They have NASCAR, American Idol, Big Macs and Rush Limbaugh to tell them how to think and feel. I support you, though! Fight the good fight and as soon as I get a few minutes to breathe, I'll be there to help.

saoirseglen 3 years, 5 months ago

I do not view it as a losing battle. It is not futile to talk to people even if they believe differently. I also grew up in rural Missouri and understand the more rural culture stereotypes, but I still believe everyone has something to contribute rural, suburban and urban. I thank you for your support.

We all do what we can in our individual ways. We have to start somewhere. Besides, doing nothing to fix things has not worked out for us. The ballot box just gets us more of the same no matter who we voted for over the last few decades. We have lost things that are precious to all of us under both Republican and Democratic administrations. That is my personal view and should not be taken as a representation of what Occupy Lawrence believes -- ask the people there for their own views.

And I am proud of myself because I am taking a stand and taking action even if right now it is talking and creating a discussion in which to include everyone we possibly can. We are intelligent enough to know we do not have all the answers, unlike the politicians in our government from the local to national levels who talk about media expedient soundbite sized solutions.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

November 3, 2011 – Washington, DC

National Nurses United International Day of Action: Make Wall Street Pay

As the leaders of the G-20 nations meet in France November 3, 2011 to address the global economic crisis, join with nurses, consumer advocates and union allies as part of actions around the world to send a message from Main Street: Wall Street must pay for the devastation they’ve caused to our communities.

A Wall Street Financial Transaction Tax (FTT) can raise $350 billion per year in the U.S. to provide living wage jobs, guaranteed healthcare, a secure retirement for all, quality public education, good housing and protection from hunger. European workers want the benefits of the FTT in their own countries as well.

November 3, 2011, we will tell Congress and economic policy makers in Washington: Tax Wall Street.

Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:30 am — Lafayette Square 3:00 pm — Lobby on Capitol Hill

ceccarp 3 years, 5 months ago

Why is it that anyone who sees an injustice and decides to speak up against it is branded a hippie?? And often not just a hippie, but a Dirty Hippie!! Is it because those that don't see the injustice are too embarrassed to admit there's a problem because they have become lulled into false sense of security by that injustice and don't feel it's their place to rebel against it.?? I, for one, will not stand idly by complaining that life is unfair and that "somebody" should do something about it.

I am of the 99% that have been marginalized by the banks and corporate greed. I am also of the 53% that don't pay income taxes but not because I don't want to. I am disabled and on SSI. The way SSI was initially set up I am not allowed to pay taxes or even to file with the IRS. I don't want to be in the public dole for the rest of my life. I want to work, but right now I can't. So I stand with the 99% so that my voice will be heard and not dismissed. And whether or not the 1% listen, I will have had my say. I am engaged, but my fiance and I have decided that at this point, because of all the economic uncertainty, we will not get married. We need the $674 I get a month to help keep our heads above water.

My fiance is of the 99% even though he finally has a job. He is a software engineer and was out of work for a year and a half. And even though he now has a job we are still poor. It will take months for us to get back to a point where I am not juggling the bills, figuring out which ones to pay so we have have the standard of living now required by today's society. Running water, electricity, gas for heat and hot water, garbage removal, and telephone were all considered luxuries over 100 years ago.

So to call us "dirty hippies" is truly mean-spirited, ugly thinking. Come down and start a dialogue us before stereotyping us. That's what intellegent people do. Who knows, you might be surprised to learn that we might just agree more than we disagree.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

"That's what intelligent people do." There's your problem right chair...you think these folks calling names and belittling you are intelligent. Pro-tip: they are not.

When gawd was handing out brains they thought he said 'trains' and asked for a slow one....

Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

Don't be fiddling about, go occupy the White House!

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

The central demand of the protest is that President Obama "ordain a Presidential Commission tasked with ending the influence money has over our representatives in Washington".

"Income inequality is grinding down that middle class, increasing the ranks of the poor, and threatening to create a permanent underclass of able, willing but jobless people."

"It is not the job of the protesters to draft legislation. That’s the job of the nation’s leaders, and if they had been doing it all along there might not be a need for these marches and rallies. Because they have not, the public airing of grievances is a legitimate and important end in itself."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/09/opinion/sunday/protesters-against-wall-street.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

Glenn Greenwald responded to this criticism, writing,

"Does anyone really not know what the basic message is of this protest: that Wall Street is oozing corruption and criminality and its unrestrained political power—in the form of crony capitalism and ownership of political institutions—is destroying financial security for everyone else?"

Goldman Sachs rules the world....we're going to change that.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

Wall Street is influencing government at the expense of everyone else. Wall Street is the root of the problem...or is it their love of money? Term limits are a must as well. It's amazing to me that people like Brownback, Roberts, et al. have/had been in D.C. all these years guiding the country to destruction, but...let's just keep reelecting them.

Life Sucks Then You Die http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gejSEO...

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

If you check my history you'll find I blame everyone in Washington. Both Republicrats and Democans are on the same Wall Street team. . .bought and paid for, and have sold the country down the river...

pace 3 years, 5 months ago

I hope, if the OWS movement does end up voting people into $ongress, they, unlike the incredibly stupid teas know better than thinking threatening to skip paying on a loan isn't the same as saving money. The tea's "bright" idea lowered our credit rating. The tea's have no ideas about jobs or homes. They worship the money lenders and believe the money lenders will rewards them. the trickle down theory, how is that working for you?

Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

The current resident of 1600 Penn Ave received more campaign money from Wall Street than any other candidate ever. He'll smile and nod and pretend to be with the OWS folks, but he's not about to cut off his own bankers.

uncleandyt 3 years, 5 months ago

You're on to something here, as opposed to most of your posts which give me the impression that you are simply on something. Pill-poppin' dittos !!

Shane Garrett 3 years, 5 months ago

So, was Marx correct when he said that a capitalist would sell rope at his own hanging? The current political plan is to give states monies so they can hire police, firemen and teachers. So, exactly what to those professions produce except more people dependent upon the government for a pay check? It seems that redistribution of wealth, something that the left has always had as a goal, just may be on the horizon. Now, where did I put that LED Lantern, so I can join this witch hunt.

Ken Lassman 3 years, 5 months ago

No, that was Bush's TARP bailout. All the street construction tells me that the stimulus program definitely created jobs and built infrastructure. All the TARP money did was give the banks who took it more money to continue on the floating craps game we call Wall Street.

Ken Lassman 3 years, 5 months ago

That's the "no one produced anything" part of the story. Even worse, they kept the money out of circulation for loaning out to businesses because it was easier just to make money off the government that to risk it by taking out loans.

And folks wonder what all the fuss is about with all the Occupy movements.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

"Bank of America is shifting derivatives in its Merrill investment banking unit to its depository arm, which has access to the Fed discount window and is protected by the FDIC.

This means that the investment bank's European derivatives exposure is now backstopped by U.S. taxpayers. Bank of America didn't get regulatory approval to do this, they just did it at the request of frightened counter-parties. Now the Fed and the FDIC are fighting as to whether this was sound. The Fed wants to "give relief" to the bank holding company, which is under heavy pressure.

This is a direct transfer of risk to the taxpayer done by the bank without approval by regulators and without public input. JP Morgan is apparently doing the same thing with $79 trillion of notional derivatives guaranteed by the FDIC and Federal Reserve.

What this means for you is that when Europe finally implodes and banks fail, U.S. taxpayers will hold the bag for trillions in CDS insurance contracts sold by Bank of America and JP Morgan. Even worse, the total exposure is unknown because Wall Street successfully lobbied during Dodd-Frank passage so that no central exchange would exist keeping track of net derivative exposure.

This is a recipe for Armageddon. Bernanke is absolutely insane."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-18/bofa-said-to-split-regulators-over-moving-merrill-derivatives-to-bank-unit.html

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

HOLY BAILOUT - Federal Reserve Now Backstopping $75 Trillion Of Bank Of America's Derivatives Trades. http://dailybail.com/home/holy-bailout-federal-reserve-now-backstopping-75-trillion-of.html

Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

Pack up your tents and head for the epicenter of money. Occupy Fort Knox! See what sort of welcome you get there....

bolshavik_vw 3 years, 5 months ago

Yes I support it, and say to all of you. Keep on fighting. I will be out there with you once I get some time off to do so.

Jack McEnaney 3 years, 5 months ago

Aren't Bill Self and Danny Manning in the 1 percent? I am pretty sure Obama and the Hollywood crowd are

introversion 3 years, 5 months ago

jhawk, you can bet that if any of the folks you mentioned were advocating a lack of taxes proportionate to their wealth, that they would be in the "1%" that OWS is taking issue with. The problem here is not wealth and the people who have it, it's these folks who are quick to call themselves "American" out of one side of their mouths while doing everything possible to avoid paying taxes proportionate to their income. When you're part of a team, or group, such as the American People, you pass the ball sometimes and let the other guy score. I believe Bill Self and Danny Manning know a thing or two about that.

EastCoaster 3 years, 5 months ago

I've read this article and read through the ignorant comments from both camps. The OWS movement, is about work and making a decent living. Such is impossible in an economy driven by Corporations needing to make ever increasing profits to satisfy shareholder and hedgefund demands. Prices are artificially high because of Corporate greed. Look at gas prices. The big oil companies where hauled up on Capital Hill and said their costs where high so they had to raise prices. Now any child who has had to sit in govt/economics knows that as a business' costs go up their profits go down. Yet the oil companies made record profits at a time when the cost of their doing business was at an all time high. Any simpleton with a basic comprehension of math should be able to figure out that a corporation facing record costs of doing business should not be able to make record profits unless said company is inflating the cost of the product far above the cost of production.

The OWS movement is not about taking the wealth of the tiny few and redistributing it. It is about the 99% who actually make this nation run and their ability to make work mean something as a livelihood. But in reality the bulk of us are just one paycheck away from financial ruin and bankruptcy. This isn't what Capitalism is about. There is no Capitalism in the USA. We have Corporatism. And this is how I know you Midwesterners are all under-educated buffoons. Take some time to read Mussolini's autobiography. Do you know who he was? He is the George Washington of Fascism so to speak. You know, the political ideology many of you ill-informed types are claiming is backing the OWS movement. Nazism is also Fascist which right out of Mussolini's own book is Corporatism. Go read the book and learn.

Also rather than sitting here on this one website prattling your insignificant Midwestern views why don't you use the actual Internet and learn about the movement's origins. Watch this video:

http://knowyourmeme.com/videos/19833-occupy-wall-street#.Tp7ncptKNmI

And for you nitwits who think the Nazi party backs OWS, you might want to 1) realize that Fascism is the diamentrically opposed political ideology of Marxism and 2) foreign press sources have already twigged how the US Media is trying to character assassinate OWS via Godwin's law. Here, read this observation written by MJ Rosenberg a Senior Foreign Policy Fellow at Media Matters Action Network. Notice he is Jewish. If anyone knows about Anti-semitism it should be him, right?

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/10/2011101510466829989.html

Notice the link is to Al Jazeera in English? The irony here is that we Americans have to turn to foreign sources just to get unbiased news about events in our own country. Pretty sad in a land where "freedom of the Press" is supposed to mean something. But the 4th Estate is now owned by Corporate America.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

You make some great points, but you diminish them greatly with your east-coast chauvinism.

gl0ck0wn3r 3 years, 5 months ago

You bring the lulz. When one has problems with basic English one probably shouldn't accuse one's audience of being undereducated. However, this is my favorite part of your rant because of the brutally circular logic:

"Any simpleton with a basic comprehension of math should be able to figure out that a corporation facing record costs of doing business should not be able to make record profits unless said company is inflating the cost of the product far above the cost of production."

lol wut?

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