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Protesters ready for long occupation of South Park

Josh Spence, a Lawrence resident participating in Occupy Lawrence, ties down the group's banner near the edge of the park on Monday, Oct. 17, 2011. Nick Krug/Journal-World Photo

Josh Spence, a Lawrence resident participating in Occupy Lawrence, ties down the group's banner near the edge of the park on Monday, Oct. 17, 2011. Nick Krug/Journal-World Photo

October 18, 2011

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The Occupy Lawrence Protest

Lawrence resident Jason Phoenix talks about the Occupy Lawrence protest at South Park, which is organized to coincide with the Occupy Wall Street protest in New York. Enlarge video

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For now at least, the occupation continues.

A small, diverse group of activists, inspired by the national Occupy Wall Street protests that have cropped up this past month, have built an “Occupy Lawrence” camp in South Park. Their first rally — in front of US Bank, 900 Mass. — took place Oct 8. They’ve had tents pitched in the park since this past Saturday and, despite chillier weather and even a little rain Monday, they say they’ll continue to “occupy” indefinitely.

The group obtained one 24-hour permit to stay in the park from Saturday to Sunday. So, technically, camp members sleeping on-site Sunday and Monday nights violated a city ordinance — the park is closed from 11:30 p.m. to 8 a.m. But people involved say there have been no clashes with officials, save a polite request by parks and recreation workers to move the tents about 10 feet to accommodate tree maintenance. The bathrooms within the park remain open.

Mayor Aron Cromwell says the city has no intention of kicking the occupiers out any time soon, at least so long as they continue to be peaceful.

“We’ll continue to do our best to work with the group,” Cromwell said. “They understand that they can’t have the park completely to themselves, and we understand that they want to get across their message of, well, I’m not exactly sure of what, but to voice their frustration.”

“Legal liaison” Jennifer Dillon Christensen talked with Cromwell on the phone Monday afternoon. She said that the mood remains amicable, both within the group and between it and the city. That said, the protesters plan to remain in the park “until progress is made.”

How they’ll define that progress remains unclear. But with working groups — on media, donations, legal matters and recruitment — a voting system and even a social media campaign, this small offshoot of the movement does have its organization.

Who are they?

Some are young, some are old, some are students, some are transient, some have full-time jobs. In short, there’s not exactly one defining characteristic in them all. Ginny Cambron, who’s been organizing the group’s resources throughout the weekend, said that they’re open to all walks of life. What brings them together, she said, was “a hope for a community that’s more unified and equal.”

What do they want?

The group itself is still trying to figure that out. They have a website, where the main point of discussion appears to be highlighting and asking for change in the widening economic disparity, the main point of contention for the original New York protesters.

Jason Phoenix, the appointed media representative, said that the main goal is “starting a conversation with the community about how corporate greed is destroying our environment and our humanity.”

The occupy protests taking place across the country, he said, will, if nothing else, help build a generation that can be “future leaders.”

“We’re building little governments of our own,” he said. “It’s training camps for future leaders who can go on to influence our country and help make things more fair.”

How do they operate?

There’s been a general assembly every evening at 6 p.m. since Saturday. The consistent participants — about 20 in all — engage in direct democracy. Individuals propose resolutions and then give hand signals for votes — two arms up for support, two arms down for disagreement. Monday night, they unanimously passed a proposal to send a delegation of at least three to today’s City Commission meeting. They don’t have a list of specific demands for the commission. Instead, they plan to say thanks for the understanding and that they plan to stay at least through the week.

They give away food and take donations of supplies. Jessie Anderson, who volunteered to be a donations coordinator, said Monday afternoon that they had gotten food from several local businesses and even $100 in cash from a passer-by.

The Rev. Joshua Longbottom, associate pastor of Plymouth Congregational Church, 925 Vt., said his church had agreed to work with the group “as schedules allow” to share kitchen space in its efforts to share food with Lawrence’s disadvantaged.

“A movement for economic justice is in line with the goals of our denomination,” he said.

Why South Park?

Christensen said they chose the park, despite it not having a perceived “anti-corporate” significance, because of a historical importance of protest there. And the visibility close to downtown helps them “start a conversation,” as Phoenix said, with residents like-minded and otherwise. The weekly downtown rallies they plan for in front of US Bank are all about visibility, too, they say.

People come and go within the group — even after just two days of “occupation” — but most speak of the long term as they use their voting process to hash out details of their demands and continue to peacefully assemble.

Everyone from the mayor to the pastor to the protester says the future of the group is “wait and see” but several within the group remain hopeful about the possibility of some kind of change.

“The spirit is strong; the vision is clear,” Christensen said.

Comments

EastCoaster 2 years, 6 months ago

I've read this article and read through the ignorant comments from both camps. The OWS movement, is about work and making a decent living. Such is impossible in an economy driven by Corporations needing to make ever increasing profits to satisfy shareholder and hedgefund demands. Prices are artificially high because of Corporate greed. Look at gas prices. The big oil companies where hauled up on Capital Hill and said their costs where high so they had to raise prices. Now any child who has had to sit in govt/economics knows that as a business' costs go up their profits go down. Yet the oil companies made record profits at a time when the cost of their doing business was at an all time high. Any simpleton with a basic comprehension of math should be able to figure out that a corporation facing record costs of doing business should not be able to make record profits unless said company is inflating the cost of the product far above the cost of production.

The OWS movement is not about taking the wealth of the tiny few and redistributing it. It is about the 99% who actually make this nation run and their ability to make work mean something as a livelihood. But in reality the bulk of us are just one paycheck away from financial ruin and bankruptcy. This isn't what Capitalism is about. There is no Capitalism in the USA. We have Corporatism. And this is how I know you Midwesterners are all under-educated buffoons. Take some time to read Mussolini's autobiography. Do you know who he was? He is the George Washington of Fascism so to speak. You know, the political ideology many of you ill-informed types are claiming is backing the OWS movement. Nazism is also Fascist which right out of Mussolini's own book is Corporatism. Go read the book and learn.

Also rather than sitting here on this one website prattling your insignificant Midwestern views why don't you use the actual Internet and learn about the movement's origins. Watch this video:

http://knowyourmeme.com/videos/19833-occupy-wall-street#.Tp7ncptKNmI

And for you nitwits who think the Nazi party backs OWS, you might want to 1) realize that Fascism is the diamentrically opposed political ideology of Marxism and 2) foreign press sources have already twigged how the US Media is trying to character assassinate OWS via Godwin's law. Here, read this observation written by MJ Rosenberg a Senior Foreign Policy Fellow at Media Matters Action Network. Notice he is Jewish. If anyone knows about Anti-semitism it should be him, right?

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/10/2011101510466829989.html

Notice the link is to Al Jazeera in English? The irony here is that we Americans have to turn to foreign sources just to get unbiased news about events in our own country. Pretty sad in a land where "freedom of the Press" is supposed to mean something. But the 4th Estate is now owned by Corporate America.

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Agnostick 2 years, 6 months ago

Blessed4x replies…

"The funny thing is that in this ["Calvin and Hobbes"] strip, capitalism and freedom worked. Suzie did not purchase the lemonade. She will take her money to a more reasonably priced stand and Calvin will not sell anything. See how that works?"

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/oct/18/protesters-ready-long-occupation-south-park/#c1789148


... and in addition what Crazy Larry mentioned (taxpayer bailout/subsidy), do you REALLY think Calvin bought his own lemons? Paid for his own sugar out of his allowance? How about the water "infrastructure" that brought him the clean water? How about his retail space? His box is on a prime parcel of land, bordering a major public thoroughfare--a public sidewalk. Did he pay for that sidewalk out of his own pocket? How did he acquire the box? What about his printing and marketing supplies and services? Do you think money from his piggy bank (subsidized!) allowed him to visit a local retailer for something to write with? Or do you think he just grabbed a marker from the junk drawer in the kitchen (shared public resource)?

It puts Elizabeth Warren's comments in a whole different light, doesn't it?

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com

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introversion 2 years, 6 months ago

jhawk, you can bet that if any of the folks you mentioned were advocating a lack of taxes proportionate to their wealth, that they would be in the "1%" that OWS is taking issue with. The problem here is not wealth and the people who have it, it's these folks who are quick to call themselves "American" out of one side of their mouths while doing everything possible to avoid paying taxes proportionate to their income. When you're part of a team, or group, such as the American People, you pass the ball sometimes and let the other guy score. I believe Bill Self and Danny Manning know a thing or two about that.

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darthtaco 2 years, 6 months ago

LOL at all the hicks in kansas......

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darthtaco 2 years, 6 months ago

LOL. At least they have a cause inlike the teabaggers..."we want our fweedom bak".... "ill keep my fweedom....ill keep my guns....ill keep my bible...."....blah blah...

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darthtaco 2 years, 6 months ago

The loosers are the one not thinking...the RED state a$$holes..... I am glad I left yall hicks....shove yer bibles up yer a$$es.

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75x55 2 years, 6 months ago

Mindless losers.

Enjoy the cold snap that's coming.

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Jack McEnaney 2 years, 6 months ago

Aren't Bill Self and Danny Manning in the 1 percent? I am pretty sure Obama and the Hollywood crowd are

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 6 months ago

To enslave a country economically, I would take these steps:”

  1. Dumb down the education system by removing teachers and subjects that forced critical thinking.
  2. Glorify debt and make credit easy.
  3. Use the media to constantly beam mindless ‘entertainment’ programming that makes the unimportant appear relevant.
  4. Constantly beam advertisements at the public that showcase items that you ‘deserve.’
  5. Re-enforce an entitlement mentality at every possible opportunity.
  6. Create false self-esteem while kids are young (i.e., getting a trophy just for showing up at a Little League game even if your team loses), so when things collapse and they can’t handle the consequences, they must run to ‘daddy’/the government and
  7. Always have an external boogeyman handy to justify increased power. “The reckoning day isn’t far off, and those that fail to acknowledge what is so obvious do, in fact, deserve what they get. There will be a culling of the herd.”

(From a source)

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oneeye_wilbur 2 years, 6 months ago

So, what is on the lunch menu tomorrow at the occupy sit in? Are the bathrooms clean? Senior and Viet Nam vets will show up and occupy the bathrooms for starters. Will Mr. Corliss be hand to changel the toilet paper and Mayor Cramwell to clean up the overflowing stools?

The folks at Vermont Towers love it, as it is a finally a destination downtown.

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its_just_math 2 years, 6 months ago

"Some are young, some are old, some are students, some are transient, some have full-time jobs."

Lemme edit that sentence for (whoever conjured the sentence)...

"Some are young, some are old, some are students, some are transient, some have full-time jobs, but overall, most of the Fleabaggers are unemployed losers without a clue."

We need to keep this award-winning forum honest, fair and balanced, don't we?

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moot 2 years, 6 months ago

if you want to change something, change the bank of american name to just "bank".

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bolshavik_vw 2 years, 6 months ago

Yes I support it, and say to all of you. Keep on fighting. I will be out there with you once I get some time off to do so.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 6 months ago

Pack up your tents and head for the epicenter of money. Occupy Fort Knox! See what sort of welcome you get there....

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 6 months ago

"Bank of America is shifting derivatives in its Merrill investment banking unit to its depository arm, which has access to the Fed discount window and is protected by the FDIC.

This means that the investment bank's European derivatives exposure is now backstopped by U.S. taxpayers. Bank of America didn't get regulatory approval to do this, they just did it at the request of frightened counter-parties. Now the Fed and the FDIC are fighting as to whether this was sound. The Fed wants to "give relief" to the bank holding company, which is under heavy pressure.

This is a direct transfer of risk to the taxpayer done by the bank without approval by regulators and without public input. JP Morgan is apparently doing the same thing with $79 trillion of notional derivatives guaranteed by the FDIC and Federal Reserve.

What this means for you is that when Europe finally implodes and banks fail, U.S. taxpayers will hold the bag for trillions in CDS insurance contracts sold by Bank of America and JP Morgan. Even worse, the total exposure is unknown because Wall Street successfully lobbied during Dodd-Frank passage so that no central exchange would exist keeping track of net derivative exposure.

This is a recipe for Armageddon. Bernanke is absolutely insane."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-18/bofa-said-to-split-regulators-over-moving-merrill-derivatives-to-bank-unit.html

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 6 months ago

Liberal stimulus explained

A cold day in the wee Saskatchewan town of Pumphandle . Streets are deserted. Times are tough, all are in debt; everybody lives on credit.

A Traveler comes to town and lays a $100 bill on the hotel desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs to pick one for the night. As soon as he walks upstairs, the hotel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his supplier, the Co-op. The guy at the Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who, facing hard times gave "services" on credit. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner. The hotel proprietor places the $100 back on the counter so the traveler will not suspect anything. The traveler comes down the stairs, says the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves.

No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now out of debt and now looks to the future with optimism.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how a "stimulus package" works.

(From a source)

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demonfury 2 years, 6 months ago

This is really all activity without accomplishment. I understand the premise, but the execution and desired outcomes are foggy at best. If you really want to do something, protest with a much larger group of protesters that will actually get you some attention other than laughter. I'm betting this group is sincere about what they are doing, but by judging by the majority of posts above, the rest of the onlooking public sees it primarily as a joke.

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moot 2 years, 6 months ago

the transients are there for the food.

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Shane Garrett 2 years, 6 months ago

So, was Marx correct when he said that a capitalist would sell rope at his own hanging? The current political plan is to give states monies so they can hire police, firemen and teachers. So, exactly what to those professions produce except more people dependent upon the government for a pay check? It seems that redistribution of wealth, something that the left has always had as a goal, just may be on the horizon. Now, where did I put that LED Lantern, so I can join this witch hunt.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 6 months ago

The current resident of 1600 Penn Ave received more campaign money from Wall Street than any other candidate ever. He'll smile and nod and pretend to be with the OWS folks, but he's not about to cut off his own bankers.

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its_just_math 2 years, 6 months ago

So, how many congressional seats and gubernatorial spots will the Fleabaggers secure, like what the Teabaggers did? Anyone know what politicians are being supported by the Fleabaggers? Anyone here know what their platform is? I mean beside doing drugs, open-air sex acts, defecating in public and trashing public property.

Don't bother to answer. I know the answer.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 6 months ago

Don't be fiddling about, go occupy the White House!

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rockchalk1977 2 years, 6 months ago

The 52% of the country that voted Obama in 2008 now realize what the other 48% already knew. The only thing Obama is good at is community organizing, or agitating in this case. After all, Obama is an Alinskyite at heart and has spent years teaching workshops on "Rules for Radicals" tactics. This current bunch of knit cap hippie malcontents in South Park are just pawns in Obama's ill-conceived reelection chess game. In a very small way I feel sorry for these fleabaggers because they are being used and don't know it!

Why is this happening? Because blaming Bush for everything no longer works so Obama needs a new villain in his twisted Alinsky style attempt to divide and conquer. Obama, and his union thug buddies, manufactured this fleabag party to deflect attention away from his failed presidency. Will this political strategy work? Not a chance. Obama and the Democrats are making a huge mistake embracing this movement and it will cost them the 2012 election. Why? Because the fleabaggers don't represent unemployed America at all. In fact, the proportion of protesters unemployed is 15%, within single digits of the national unemployment rate of 9.1%. Rather, a majority of these misfits believe in radical wealth redistribution, violence, and civil disobedience. In a word... Marxism. Independent voters simply don't feel this way. Therefore, the strategy will fail and the flea party is doomed. Go home and occupy a shower. January 20, 2013, the end of an error!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/18/what-occupy-wall-street-protesters-really-believe/

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

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ceccarp 2 years, 6 months ago

Why is it that anyone who sees an injustice and decides to speak up against it is branded a hippie?? And often not just a hippie, but a Dirty Hippie!! Is it because those that don't see the injustice are too embarrassed to admit there's a problem because they have become lulled into false sense of security by that injustice and don't feel it's their place to rebel against it.?? I, for one, will not stand idly by complaining that life is unfair and that "somebody" should do something about it.

I am of the 99% that have been marginalized by the banks and corporate greed. I am also of the 53% that don't pay income taxes but not because I don't want to. I am disabled and on SSI. The way SSI was initially set up I am not allowed to pay taxes or even to file with the IRS. I don't want to be in the public dole for the rest of my life. I want to work, but right now I can't. So I stand with the 99% so that my voice will be heard and not dismissed. And whether or not the 1% listen, I will have had my say. I am engaged, but my fiance and I have decided that at this point, because of all the economic uncertainty, we will not get married. We need the $674 I get a month to help keep our heads above water.

My fiance is of the 99% even though he finally has a job. He is a software engineer and was out of work for a year and a half. And even though he now has a job we are still poor. It will take months for us to get back to a point where I am not juggling the bills, figuring out which ones to pay so we have have the standard of living now required by today's society. Running water, electricity, gas for heat and hot water, garbage removal, and telephone were all considered luxuries over 100 years ago.

So to call us "dirty hippies" is truly mean-spirited, ugly thinking. Come down and start a dialogue us before stereotyping us. That's what intellegent people do. Who knows, you might be surprised to learn that we might just agree more than we disagree.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 6 months ago

November 3, 2011 – Washington, DC

National Nurses United International Day of Action: Make Wall Street Pay

As the leaders of the G-20 nations meet in France November 3, 2011 to address the global economic crisis, join with nurses, consumer advocates and union allies as part of actions around the world to send a message from Main Street: Wall Street must pay for the devastation they’ve caused to our communities.

A Wall Street Financial Transaction Tax (FTT) can raise $350 billion per year in the U.S. to provide living wage jobs, guaranteed healthcare, a secure retirement for all, quality public education, good housing and protection from hunger. European workers want the benefits of the FTT in their own countries as well.

November 3, 2011, we will tell Congress and economic policy makers in Washington: Tax Wall Street.

Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:30 am — Lafayette Square 3:00 pm — Lobby on Capitol Hill

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saoirseglen 2 years, 6 months ago

I also want to clarify something. I am actively looking for work while attending college, volunteering time as a hospice volunteer visiting patients to make their lives more enjoyable with visits, volunteering my time as a karate instructor and still taking time to protest for a better future. I have two bachelor degrees, Spanish/Anthropology double major and another in computer and information management. I am working on a masters in computer and network security. I am fluent in Spanish and I know how to do carpentry and electrical wiring installation as well as hunt, with those last three skills all self taught out of necessity. I know more skills for living off the land, but that is another topic entirely. I guess that makes me a communist, fascist hippie, right?

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saoirseglen 2 years, 6 months ago

I am one of the Occupy Lawrence people. I cannot speak for everyone there, but I can speak for myself. Some of us are full time students working jobs as well taking time out of our day to fight for a better future. Some of us are retired people who want a better future for our grandchildren. Some of us are Pagan, some of us are Christian, some of us are atheist. As for myself I am a graduate student who is looking for a job while working on keeping my skills current. We have all kinds of views, but what we don't focus on is our differences, rather our similarities, such as the fact that we are all human beings.

We as human beings all have basic rights. We all know the existing system is not right. We need to change it. I don't have all the answers, however, by discussing the issues it is possible for us to find them working together. I have a family and I am thinking about our great-grandchildren's great-grandchildren rather than just what is easy in the moment. I am carrying out what I believe to be right, to speak for those who have no voice as my wife and I are not as well off as some but we are still better off than many. I am taking action to improve things and I believe working together with others is better than griping and grousing on a forum everyday.

I am a doer and a thinker. I don't have to agree with everyone on every possible point. But I do find common ground with most people. I do recommend visiting us and talking with us directly rather than prejudge us with your little paradigms of who you think you are. When in doubt, I go directly to the source to find my information.

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toe 2 years, 6 months ago

Now is as good a time as any to rethink. I applaud anyone that stands up for what they believe. It would be nice to see South Park filled to capacity.

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somedude20 2 years, 6 months ago

If NY got the guitar player from RATM (Tom Morello) to play their sit-in, what kind of star power can Larryville get, the guitar player from Tommy Tutone or the dude who programed the drum loops for Tone Loc's "Funky Cold Medina"?

I just hope that the few of em who do have jobs do not get fired for skipping work and go on social welfare!

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 6 months ago

Stand with Occupy Wall Street Not a single banker has gone to jail for crimes that led to the financial meltdown.

http://www.credoaction.com/campaign/occupy_ws/?rc=homepage

Sign The Petition

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Benthic 2 years, 6 months ago

Wait unitl the homeless Zombies descend upon the occupy Lawrence camp... Happy early Halloween. LOL

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johnnyreb 2 years, 6 months ago

1) Take shower. 2) Get job. 3) Repeat Step 1

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Floyd Craig 2 years, 6 months ago

to me its a over kill they are trying to dress and act like the hippies did in the 60's and 70's look how they are dressing now thats an over kill make em leave the park they dont need to be there looking like BUMS

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KUKRU 2 years, 6 months ago

Vagabonds just need some homes.. You would think they would be chilling in Topeka or New York or someplace like that.. You idiots are wasting your time preaching to the choir. Go somewhere that will make a difference not mass street which is practically the antithesis of wall street..

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grammaddy 2 years, 6 months ago

"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world.Indeed it is the only thing that ever has."

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pooter 2 years, 6 months ago

The real need is to re-occupy the offices of the true, lawful government, and boycott the defacto government otherwise known as US Corporation.

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impska 2 years, 6 months ago

I just don't understand why they aren't "occupying" the White House or their state Capitol buildings. Protesting anonymous corporations, mass labelled as "Wall Street" is self-defeating. Those people have no incentive to meet any demands or satisfy protestors. And who is "Wall Street" anyway? Is it Bank of America? Is it Mariscos? Is it Dillons? Walmart? What about Etsy.com? Those are all corporations. They are all profiting off of the 99%.

If they had directed their protests at Congress, they might be in a position to effect positive change. THOSE people have an incentive to listen. Politicians owe their success and failure to movements like this one. Instead they protest Wall Street and guess what is accomplished - Obama endorses the protest movement and spouts some anti-corporate rhetoric (as though he wasn't right there bailing out big banks and "Wall Street").

Why aren't they at the White House saying, "Where's all that change you promised us? Because we haven't forgotten and it looks like more of the same."

Why isn't there a protest at every state capitol building with people asking, "What happened? Why did you sell us out?"

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myech 2 years, 6 months ago

Why is it that lawrence arrests the homeless for illegal camping and not the ones occupying? Just a question, im not making a statement about either group. I know that they had a permit for the first day but no longer do, so how do they draw the line between illegal and legal camping?

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Number_1_Grandma 2 years, 6 months ago

Don't they have to have permit for this?

The Mayor doesn't have any authority to circumvent they law. Stick to running commission meetings Cromwell. That's all the authority a mayor holds...lol.

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TheEyeofUS 2 years, 6 months ago

What protestors? I just went down there and witnessed a couple of kids playing on the swings and a few people just enjoying the park. I didn't see any protestors at all. I think the article really just hyped up something that appears to not even exist.

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Mixolydian 2 years, 6 months ago

That whole article read like something from The Onion.

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Norma Jeane Baker 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm not going to take the time to read the 100+ comments right now, so this may have already been stated: Most of those participating in Occupy Lawrence are already homeless. They've just shifted where they're hanging out. My info comes from someone who works with the homeless and personally knows most of the people participating.

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 6 months ago

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -John F. Kennedy

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 6 months ago

A democracy run by the wealthy is a plutocracy.

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AlexTJ 2 years, 6 months ago

What if these people applied their obviously abundant passion and time looking for a job, or developing job related skills?

If they landed a sweet job would they still hate The Man?

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Esq2eB 2 years, 6 months ago

Just a bunch of people who voted for Obama because he had a nice smile and was a smooth talker. They voted for him, thinking a utopia would ensue. Instead they find out he is a corrupt, in bed with wallstreet hooker, gun running mule, who does everything "the Chicago way". They voted for him, but their lives got worse in the ensuing three years, instead of better, so they are still blaming Bush for everything. Pathetic.

Get back to work hippies. Don't have a job? The want ad's have plenty of positions available. It may not be the dream job you had in mind when you got your liberal arts degree, but it's a job. Stop ruining the parks and costing the government more money to watch over your flithy "camps". Stop sh*tting on police cars, and ask your hippy parents to potty train you.

Bunch of morons who don't know what they want, but da**it, they want it now! And the government better give it to them. The same govenment they can't stand and don't trust. At least the tea party has a mission statement and goals in mind.

Well, the 15 minutes I take to eat lunch from my office is over. I'll get back to work now.

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CWGOKU 2 years, 6 months ago

I did not realize that Wall Street ran through Lawrence

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lunatic 2 years, 6 months ago

Maybe they should take all of their money out of the bank and make a mattress out of it.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 6 months ago

History is full of examples of governments taking draconian action in times of economic-fueled social turmoil. Faced with terrible circumstances, people cry out for their governments to 'do something'. Politicians happily oblige.

It's concerning right now to see the early stages of economic decline spawning populist uprisings; most are being met with unconscionable force by the police state.

Mark Twain used to say that while history may not repeat itself, it certainly rhymes. I'd encourage you to think clearly about what's really happening in the world, and not simply write off such events as temporary aberrations.

Let me be even more clear: it's not crazy to have a plan. You're not a lunatic for considering your international options. In a world fraught with so much uncertainty, it's the only sane choice.

(From a source)

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 6 months ago

Notes from the Field

Date: October 18, 2011 Reporting From: Phnom Penh, Cambodia

In his seminal work The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William Shirer recounts how the struggling Weimar Republic printed its way out of reparation debt from World War I. Out-of-control printing caused the German mark to fall from 75 per dollar in 1921, to more than 4 billion just 3-years later.

Talk about chaos. After a brief period of credit-fueled economic respite, the onset of the global depression in 1929 had people in the streets clamoring for change. Hitler's National Socialism promised the world... and under such economic distress, people believed him.

There are two important lessons here. First is that hyperinflation comes very quickly. Confidence languishes for months, even years... until one day the currency begins to slide, slowly at first, then exponentially.

The second is what followed. Economic disaster begets social unrest, the two are inextricably linked. Populist rebellions and roving gangs became a constant presence in the republic.

It's at this point, when people are really hurting, they're the most impressionable. They're looking for somebody, anybody, to lead them out of the turmoil. What they got was a charismatic leader with a grand plan.

Here in Cambodia, a similar story unfolded in the 1970s.

Years of constant American B-52 bombing campaigns during the Vietnam War took its toll on the country. Over 500,000 tons of bombs were dropped on Cambodia during the war. By the time the last US forces withdrew from Vietnam in 1975, nearly three-quarters of Cambodia's agrarian economy was destroyed.

Malnourishment and starvation were rampant, and Cambodians were ready to follow anyone with a plan.

Pol Pot's agrarian socialism struck a chord. After years of civil war, Cambodia's economic ruin opened the door for his communist forces to take over the country.

Just like Germany in 1930, economic hardship swayed just enough people to allow a criminal madman's rise to power. Neither case required a popular majority, but merely a critical mass of vocal activists. The rest of the country either fell in line or was exterminated.

Under both regimes, people never got what they expected. Pol Pot waged mass genocide on his own people, murdering as much as a third of Cambodia's population. Teachers, doctors, students, artists... anyone who could possibly pose a threat was neutralized.

I've had the opportunity to learn first hand about many of these cases during my times here. And not far from Phnom Penh, the infamous killing fields are still littered with human remains.

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danmoore 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm proud of Lawrence! The banks, with the help of Bush are largely responsible for the economic crisis. These protests are relevant, unlike the hypocritical tea baggers.

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labmonkey 2 years, 6 months ago

Time for some Slayer!!!!

Hippies hate death metal.

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pooter 2 years, 6 months ago

The final answer is for the People to restore and reside in the Constitutional Republic, you know, the one the Founding Fathers gave us; the one that we gradually abandoned and then replaced in favor of the US Corporation and it's "policies" a long long time ago, and all the problems that have resulted since will end.

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 6 months ago

"Historically, a story about people inside impressive buildings ignoring or even taunting people standing outside shouting at them turns out to be a story with an unhappy ending."

"It is not always the job of people shouting outside impressive buildings to solve problems. It is often the job of the people inside, who have paper, pens, desks, and an impressive view."

"99 percent is a very large percentage. For instance, easily 99 percent of people want a roof over their heads, food on their tables, and the occasional slice of cake for dessert. Surely an arrangement can be made with that niggling 1 percent who disagree."

"There may not be a reason to share your cake. It is, after all, yours. You probably baked it yourself, in an oven of your own construction with ingredients you harvested yourself. It may be possible to keep your entire cake while explaining to any nearby hungry people just how reasonable you are."

Lemony Snicket

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Agnostick 2 years, 6 months ago

Not so much that this is a waste of time, but it's terribly inefficient. Why not just find a big millionaire or two with deep pockets, who could charter a few dozen cozy, air-conditioned buses for them? Instead of these big overnight events, just pop up unannounced at small gatherings on evenings and weekends... maybe places where the local congressional representative or senator is making an appearance? Wouldn't that work better?

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deec 2 years, 6 months ago

The movement is global, including Canada. The whole world is impacted by the greed of world financiers and multinational corporations in collusion with governments. While Canada has fared a little better than the U.S. and Europe, they still have occupy groups in several cities, including Vancouver, Calgary, Regina, Winnipeg, Toronto Montreal, Quebec City and St. Johns (NB).

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Newell_Post 2 years, 6 months ago

OMG! Malcontents have occupied South Park! Put Cartman, Kenny, Kyle, and Stan on the case. They will clear out the troublemakers. ....except somebody killed Kenny....

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georgeofwesternkansas 2 years, 6 months ago

Progress will be defined by 32F and raining.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 6 months ago

A SuperSoaker loaded with fox urine......

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 6 months ago

About the Wall Street bunch:

Wall Street Bank Fraud cost consumers $ trillions, millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. Exactly like the Reagan/Bush home loan scam. Can we say Deja Vu. Yep seems to be a pattern. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 6 months ago

Take the folks some warm food throughout the days..... we took some down this AM.

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heygary 2 years, 6 months ago

A bunch of haters! If you dislike the United States and capitalism so much, please go camp somewhere else ... Canada is pretty!

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campblood 2 years, 6 months ago

I'll survive because being broke is not a new concept for me.

Corruption, greed, marginalization of the common "man", aren't either.

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seriouscat 2 years, 6 months ago

Anyone who became angry at the way the media brushed the Tea Party with a broad racist brush based upon one or two people who claimed to "speak for the movement" ought to think twice about the way the media is dressing up OWS as a bunch of commies, hippies, anarchists (fill in the blank with whatever is most likely to get a knee-jerk reaction out of the most people). Why does the media do this to the most grass roots of organizations the minute they begin to gain some steam hmmmm?

Basically the tea party and the OWS movement are born out of the same frustration over the undue influence of the unholy alliance between giant multi-billion dollar business interests and our government that leaves the average person powerless and voiceless. Why would the media change their course of action when divide and conquer works so effectively for so long?

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Michael Rowland 2 years, 6 months ago

Sounds like a really half-baked idea, as if a bunch of students with too much time on their hands heard about Occupy Wall Street and wanted to protest too.

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darthtaco 2 years, 6 months ago

LOL. And the teabaggers who had a similar message now hate these people because they are getting more attention. You can't talk reason with a teabagger. They are ALL mentaly ill and need forced treatment. The homeschole pedophiles and brainwash children with lies.

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TongiJayhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Who cares if they are camping out at the park and holding signs. Everyone has their hobbies, but can they at least move their tents every few days so they don't kill the grass?

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tbaker 2 years, 6 months ago

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Jeteras 2 years, 6 months ago

haha funny,, Ill think about em while I sleep in my warm bed.. Who cares . When the world goes to crap and everyone from Washington is looking for their Mcdonalds and food is scarce.. I will still have my guns and I will still know how to hunt,, everything else is just a luxury. The people that know how to survive, will. Give up camping and go learn how to prepare an animal for your family after you kill it if you are really worried....

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pooter 2 years, 6 months ago

These lame protests accomphish nothing when the real answer is far simpler.

Convene Grand Juries everywhere and charge ALL elected public officals with perjury by violating their sworn oaths of office.

If the People truly want the cronyism to stop then they don't have to wait until another election to deal with all the massive government corruption that fosters it, they can start this process TODAY.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 6 months ago

“Why Occupy? Why Tea Party? Why Protest?” asks John Robb of Global Guerillas, responding to a similar theme we’ve been exploring here in The 5.

“Simple. The U.S. economy is broken. Incomes are less than they were 35 years ago. Everything costs more. We’ve had 17% unemployment (traditional measure) for two years, and we’re about to lose many more jobs. Our collective debt is 370% of our GDP (from all sources, from consumer to government).”

“Our financial system has a) enabled the transfer of our manufacturing jobs to a mercantilist (managed trade) China and b) stolen the rest of our wealth (and is in the process of gambling what’s left of it away).”

“Finally, given the ongoing instability of our economic system, we don’t have long before the entire thing fails, and with it, our collective future (rich or poor).”

“The question really is: Why aren’t you protesting? Why isn’t everyone protesting?”

(From a source)

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 6 months ago

"If you can create something that is better than anyone else in the world, the world will beat a path to your door" Observe the works of Steve Jobs, Thomas Edison and Sam Walton (oops, I forgot, you all hate wally world).

Sitting on your dead, lazy ass in a park will not change anything. No one of substance is listening to your stupid protesting. Get off your butts and do something constructive and quit whining.

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somedude20 2 years, 6 months ago

Hey, give the kids credit as they found a place where the rent is not too damn high!

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demonfury 2 years, 6 months ago

What kills me is that the article indicates that our elected leaders are obligated to uphold the law, yet openly allow this group to remain in the park without the necessary legal permits. The group is nearly blind in it's vision other than "Change", but they don't know what that means. This entire, what ever you want to call it, is nothing more than activity without accomplishment. It's a sad display of ignorance and stupidity coupled with a clear look at how our city leaders function in the midst of law breakers. Pretty much par for the course in Lawrence, huh? Hopefully at tonight's meeting this group will ask for several thousand dollars to further their lack of focus.

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demonfury 2 years, 6 months ago

What kills me is that the article indicates that our elected leaders are obligated to uphold the law, yet openly allow this group to remain in the park without the necessary legal permits. The group is nearly blind in it's vision other than "Change", but they don't know what that means. This entire, what ever you want to call it, is nothing more than activity without accomplishment. It's a sad display of ignorance and stupidity coupled with a clear look at how our city leaders function in the midst of law breakers. Pretty much par for the course in Lawrence, huh? Hopefully at tonight's meeting this group will ask for several thousand dollars to further their lack of focus.

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demonfury 2 years, 6 months ago

What kills me is that the article indicates that our elected leaders are obligated to uphold the law, yet openly allow this group to remain in the park without the necessary legal permits. The group is nearly blind in it's vision other than "Change", but they don't know what that means. This entire, what ever you want to call it, is nothing more than activity without accomplishment. It's a sad display of ignorance and stupidity coupled with a clear look at how our city leaders function in the midst of law breakers. Pretty much par for the course in Lawrence, huh? Hopefully at tonight's meeting this group will ask for several thousand dollars to further their lack of focus.

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demonfury 2 years, 6 months ago

What kills me is that the article indicates that our elected leaders are obligated to uphold the law, yet openly allow this group to remain in the park without the necessary legal permits. The group is nearly blind in it's vision other than "Change", but they don't know what that means. This entire, what ever you want to call it, is nothing more than activity without accomplishment. It's a sad display of ignorance and stupidity coupled with a clear look at how our city leaders function in the midst of law breakers. Pretty much par for the course in Lawrence, huh? Hopefully at tonight's meeting this group will ask for several thousand dollars to further their lack of focus.

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BornAgainAmerican 2 years, 6 months ago

Here is one more sign to add to the collection of signs for the OWS mob:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28592309@N06/2922729641/

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acg 2 years, 6 months ago

I think they have plenty to say. I think they are saying they're damned tired of corporate America and the organized crime syndicates we call banks ruining our nation. We all know capitalism is supposed to turn a profit but when they turn such huge profits at the expense of all of us, there's an issue. The banks, who we bailed out btw, are recording record profits. They're foreclosing on people left and right, normal people who were just caught in a bad situation, who lost their jobs when the economy crapped out and were doing just fine before everything went to hell. I think they're saying stop sending all of our jobs overseas, and stop raping us at the checkout counter. I think they're saying we want benefits with our jobs, real benefits, and a fair shake at the mortgage lender counter and the car dealership. I think they're saying we have worked hard, the 99%, the ones who actually work for a living and we're tired of not having anything to show for it. I don't mean the ball players, the actors, the politicians, the CEO's. We all know those dbags don't really work. I mean the construction worker, the sandwich shop guy, the trash collector, the elementary school teacher, etc. Aren't you guys tired of working your asses off every single day and looking around you watching the rich just get richer? A lot of you will preen and postulate that you're doing just fine, you have plenty of everything, but we all know the truth. America is in serious debt, personally and as a nation. You corporate loving republicans have just as much unnecessary debt as the rest of us, so you can talk a big game about how you agree with capitalism and support corporate america and do not support the protesters who are screaming to high heaven for a better life for us all, but we know the truth. We know when you sit down to do the bills each month you get just as aggravated and depressed as us hippy liberal democrats and you're also tired of it. So why don't we get together and show those asses that we're actually tired of it. At this point, I don't want to see any of them elected because they're all poison to our society.

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kernal 2 years, 6 months ago

I hope most of the people in the Occupy Lawrence group aren't just reacting to a cause, as I suspect they are. Most people I've asked don't have a clue as to what this is all about and just spout rhetoric they've read on the net.... one in "twitter speak".

I agree with skinny. it's the people who saved money all their lives, invested it in what were considered "safe" instruments only to find out twenty to forty years later that the newer generation of investment bankers are a bunch of crooks and dumb a##es with Napolionic complexes, regardless of their physical stature. Count me in as ticked off, but will protest in my own way - through my vote.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 6 months ago

Fence 'em in & build a viewing platform so we can go & throw peanuts to the little scamps.

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BornAgainAmerican 2 years, 6 months ago

At least the homeless will have a place to sleep for a few days.

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jesse499 2 years, 6 months ago

Lets really screw up investing so all the retired peoples retirement plans go down the tubes and their homeless to that should help.

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pooter 2 years, 6 months ago

Land of the Free or Home of the Slave?

A true Master doesn't have to protest before his Servants.

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skinny 2 years, 6 months ago

It would appear most of those protesting didn't have anything before all this went down. I'd be willing to bet they don't have a dime in the stock market

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del888 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm excited! A new campground in Lawrence that is closer than Clinton Lake. Is there a hook-up for my 40 ft. motor home? Where can I put my satellite dish? And all this time I thought it was illegal to camp in a city park. Guess not.

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gl0ck0wn3r 2 years, 6 months ago

Yawn. These proles are boring. Let me know when they go all Black Panther or something.

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LivedinLawrence4Life 2 years, 6 months ago

Let's schedule a job fair at the park at the same time and help people get back to work.

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Phillbert 2 years, 6 months ago

Camping is not activism or action. The reason the Tea Parties got the entire Republican Party to kowtow to their set of incoherent demands (i.e. "Get government out of my Medicare!") was that they got organized, partly thanks to the Kochs and Friends.

You can tell from the wingers' various Nazi references that they're concerned about this movement (and have no knowledge of Godwin's Law.)

Give them something to really be concerned about. Get a coherent message (ex. End Corporate Welfare and roll back the Bush Tax Cuts), then register voters and get them to vote.

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grammaddy 2 years, 6 months ago

Discount the "occupy" movement all you want. It's gettin bigger every day.The world is watching.

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BornAgainAmerican 2 years, 6 months ago

“We’re building little governments of our own,” he said. “It’s training camps for future leaders who can go on to influence our country and help make things more fair.”

HAHAHaHahaha...ROFL! Truly, rebels looking for a cause.

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rtwngr 2 years, 6 months ago

I love the sound bites of the "throw out the Zionists running the banks of our country" rhetoric being shouted at the rallies in New York. Nothing like a little bigotry to really drive home the point. The American Nazi Party really is a ringing endorsement too. I love the way our president, Barack Obama, tossed in the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. posthumous endorsement. So let me get this all straight: Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the American Nazi Party both endorse of the "Occupy Wall Street" crowd? Oh, and the Communist Party is represented, too, along with the AFL-CIO. This is one happy crowd, isn't it?

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jesse499 2 years, 6 months ago

Why don't they occupy Walmart parking lots their greed has push more jobs to China then anyone else!

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homechanger 2 years, 6 months ago

Looks like the leader of occu-pie southpark is the same goofball that panhandles downtown with misspelled signs. When one of the protesters decides to defecate in the park will we call it an occu-pie?

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fu7il3 2 years, 6 months ago

"What do you want?"

"We want you to do something!"

"Like what?"

"We don't know. But do it!"

For God's sake. They have nothing to say, but insist on saying it as loud as possible. Come up with a plan or have fun camping.

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its_just_math 2 years, 6 months ago

Will Lawrence provide Johnny-on-the-spots and more trash receptacles? This was the problem in NYC and it wasn't the Fleabagger's fault that they left such a messy mess according to one far-left commentator on LJW's award-winning on-line forum.

Anyway, by the time unsuspecting passer-bys see Bras across the Kaw and South Park, well......

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Keith Richards 2 years, 6 months ago

These people are for welfare, plain and simple. They want everything given to them and they don't want to work for it.

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mustrun80 2 years, 6 months ago

What brings them together, she said, was “a hope for a community that’s more unified and equal.”

So these Occupiers and the OWS crowd are mad at Wall Street for taking advantage of political ties (just like big Unions and every other group behaves - that can) and their solution is to protest the corporations for acting all corporationy, but not those with political power who allowed themselves to be bribed?

Their elected liberal officials at least took an oath to act according to law/ethics. Businesses exist to make a profit.

These people are painfully stupid.

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lunacydetector 2 years, 6 months ago

"What do they want?

The group itself is still trying to figure that out."

“The spirit is strong; the vision is clear."

......?

where is former mayor boog and his merry men (and women) of anarchy?

i'm surprised our current crackpot mayor isn't joining these people of such clear vision.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 6 months ago

Good news for the Occupation. The NAZI party, communist party, Barack Hussein Obama, Hugo Chavez and the Socialist party is supporting the Occupation. Along with the black anti-semites, the Occupation should last for a long while. You all are true Patriots.

I can now see why the Tea Party didn't get support from these organizations. They are not Patriots.

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Erin Graham 2 years, 6 months ago

I hope they have lots of blankets! It's gonna get cold this week. Maybe someone could rig up a big thing of hot cocoa for them??

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equalaccessprivacy 2 years, 6 months ago

Lawrence may be one place already way too occupied by scary ignorant yahoos that just will not get the message and realize they really are most unwelcome to barge up into strangers' lives. Presumptuousness personified---reeking with sexism! What kind of people think they have any right to violate a stranger by opening car doors for them. So offensively patronizing! These ignoramii just need to keep their clueless butts away from me. So dislike the socially unintelligent and intellectually challenged majority of Lawrence! Politically aware and philosophically sophisticated they are not.

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