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City Hall leaders urge Occupy Lawrence protesters to ‘follow rules’

October 18, 2011

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Lawrence City Hall officials soon are going to want a better definition of what the “occupy” in Occupy Lawrence really means.

City Hall leaders on Tuesday night began to express concern about the approximately 30 people who are camping in South Park as part of the Occupy Lawrence protests.

“I don’t think they will be allowed to stay there indefinitely,” said Toni Wheeler, the director of the city’s legal department. “We’re now evaluating how to proceed.”

Those comments come just one day after Mayor Aron Cromwell made comments that indicated the campers would be allowed to camp in South Park as long as they were peaceful. But Cromwell on Tuesday said he should have done more to emphasize that the campers must follow city rules. Generally, camping in city parks is prohibited unless a group has a special permit. Occupy Lawrence’s permit expired Sunday.

“They have to follow our rules, and we do not allow camping in our parks,” Cromwell said. “Their permit has expired, and that has to be dealt with.”

But Cromwell stopped short of saying the campers would immediately be found in violation of the city’s ordinance. Instead, Cromwell said a dialogue will need to be opened with the campers to “work together to resolve the issue.” Wheeler said her office was exploring the best way to do that, but offered no specific timeline.

“I don’t have a good feel for that now,” Wheeler said when asked how much longer the city may allow the camping. “I would just say days.”

All of this may be news to the Occupy Lawrence campers. A few members of the group attended Tuesday’s City Commission meeting, and a representative thanked the city for its understanding.

“We want to tell you that we’re keeping it peaceful,” said Sean Maupin, a camper and Lawrence resident who works as a nighttime stocking clerk at Walmart. “We’re not trying to make enemies up here. We appreciate everything you’re doing.”

City commissioners or city officials did not bring up any concerns about the camping during the meeting. Instead, officials expressed those concerns outside of the meeting in response to questions from the Journal-World.

The campers who came to City Hall indicated that they intended to stay in the park for an “indefinite” period of time. When pressed, they said that could mean many days or weeks, even noting that colder weather likely would draw more attention to their cause.

Maupin confirmed the campers are using an open fire to stay warm, which city officials said they were not aware of.

The campers indicated that they would see it as a violation of their rights if the city insisted they leave the park.

“The city has been very good to work with and has been very understanding,” said Deb Terry, a 20-year Lawrence resident who does not work because of a physical disability. “If that situation changes, I can tell you that we will still be there.”

Comments

David Holroyd 3 years, 2 months ago

Mayor Cramwell needs to have a dialogue with Ms. Wheeler. How can Mayor Cramwell allow an open fire when there are structures within 50 feet of the fire? No one in the city can get a burning permit if the fire is within 50 feet? Also, isn't there a ban on burning?

Pray for rain and snow and sleet and hail! Those from Vermont Towers will be headed back to their rent subsidized apartments. That nasty government giving them almost free rent.

ceccarp 3 years, 2 months ago

According to the Douglas County website, http://www.douglas-county.com/online_services/ealerts/ealert_burnban.aspx, open fires are permitted in certain circumstances. The alert states: "During the burn ban the following activities shall be prohibited outdoors: " Open fires or campfires EXCEPT [emphasis mine] in permanent stoves, fireplaces or in barbecue grills in developed recreational sites or on residential home sites."

We have a portable "firepit" WITH a screen grate to keep sparks from flying. We also have it well away from any tents. We were told by a fireman that as long as it was above ground in a proper receptacle we could have one. Safety first!!

joshupetersen 3 years, 1 month ago

To your permit comment:

1st Ammendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Any law created that goes against the constitution is considered invalid.

When the people are peacably assembling and petitioning their government by their protest is use of their first ammendment rights, those laws you speak of are null and void, and CANNOT apply, unless the state secedes from the union.

tomatogrower 3 years, 2 months ago

Lose his job for using his freedom of speech. Nice American patriot you are. Try reading the constitution.

Jonathan Fox 3 years, 2 months ago

No one is asking them to stop protesting, but all the American patriots I know follow the law. Which means not camping in public parks without a permit plain and simple.

joshupetersen 3 years, 1 month ago

1st Ammendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Any law created that goes against the constitution is considered invalid.

When the people are peacably assembling and petitioning their government by their protest is use of their first ammendment rights, those laws you speak of are null and void, and CANNOT apply, unless the state secedes from the union.

Liberty_Or_Death 3 years, 2 months ago

You are one ignorant sad being... What business do you have tossing someone who stands up for your rights on the coals? Have you ever been in a war or even a fight? Probably have no idea what camping even is or what on earth you'd do if the infrastructure failed tomorrow! You'd rely on people like those you mock little man... .Love&Light. from your local Marine Master Sergeant-

Wanna go camping!?

deec 3 years, 2 months ago

I don't think Walmart, or any corporation, has the right to dictate what employees do on their own time. As long as they are not trying to form a labor union, I doubt Walmart cares. One of my sons works as an overnight stocker at a Wamart in the KC metro. If you show up when scheduled and work hard while on the clock, they don't care what you do on your time.

jafs 3 years, 2 months ago

In KS, anybody can be fired at any time without cause - it's an "at will" state.

And, I doubt that a stocker has an employment contract.

jafs 3 years, 2 months ago

Interesting if true.

Do you have any examples in which somebody's who's been fired has sued and won on that basis?

jafs 3 years, 2 months ago

I looked it up.

You are right - 37 states recognize an "implied contract" exception.

But, the burden of proof is on the fired employee, and there have been court cases in which the employee has lost with that argument.

It's a bit tricky.

KS is one of the states, though, that recognizes that, which surprised me.

ceccarp 3 years, 2 months ago

Interesting! I did not know that. An interesting point to bring up.

lunacydetector 3 years, 2 months ago

i'm glad these protests were endorsed by the democratic party, communist party, and nazi party......with the low turn out, it brings me hope that our city's population isn't as crazy as i thought.

if this was a tea party campout.....don't you think our crackpot mayor would've shut them down when the permit expired?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 2 months ago

"i'm glad these protests were endorsed by the democratic party, communist party, and nazi party."

As reported by Fox News and Rush, by any chance?

lunacydetector 3 years, 2 months ago

the huffington post of all places. wonder how it got snuck in, to actually report the news?

joshupetersen 3 years, 1 month ago

Interesting note...

There's a lot of Tea Party support for the OWS movement as well. OWS is being supported by Tea Partiers, Libertarians, Green Partiers, Constitution Partiers, Rights-oriented democrats, Anti-federal reserve republicans, and many many more.

This isn't a protest about parties, so get this out of your head.

It's about honorable americans vs. blood-sucking corporations that are destroying the values of our country.

This is about protecting our rights.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 2 months ago

The campers are not bothering anyone and they are keeping the area neat and tidy.

The larger issue:

November 3, 2011 – Washington, DC

National Nurses United International Day of Action: Make Wall Street Pay

As the leaders of the G-20 nations meet in France November 3, 2011 to address the global economic crisis, join with nurses, consumer advocates and union allies as part of actions around the world to send a message from Main Street: Wall Street must pay for the devastation they’ve caused to our communities.

A Wall Street Financial Transaction Tax (FTT) can raise $350 billion per year in the U.S. to provide living wage jobs, guaranteed healthcare, a secure retirement for all, quality public education, good housing and protection from hunger. European workers want the benefits of the FTT in their own countries as well.

November 3, 2011, we will tell Congress and economic policy makers in Washington: Tax Wall Street.

Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:30 am — Lafayette Square 3:00 pm — Lobby on Capitol Hill

For more information, please contact bgallagher@nationalnursesunited.org or go to www.mainstreetcontract.org.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 2 months ago

Again the larger issue is about Wall Street crime which hurt millions upon millions upon millions of homeowners and/or families. Where is the LJW investigative reporting on this matter? Where is the Grand Jury and the FBI?

Wall Street Bank Fraud cost consumers $ trillions, millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. Exactly like the Reagan/Bush home loan scam. Déjà vu can we say. Yep seems to be a pattern. LJW let's talk about this RINO pattern. Where is the Grand Jury and the FBI?

FYI:

Often, government plays a role in bubbles. The housing bubble was in part generated by the Federal Reserve maintaining low interest rates. Easy money meant readily obtainable loans and, at least in the short run, low monthly payments.

Also, Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan denied the housing bubble’s existence—not fraud exactly, but deception that kept the bubble going. (Greenspan, whose view was ideologically driven, got support in his bubble denial from the academic work of the man who was to be his successor, Ben Bernanke.)

In addition, government regulatory agencies turned a blind eye to the highly risky practices of financial firms, practices that both encouraged the development of the bubble and made the impact all the worse when it burst.

Moreover, the private rating agencies (e.g., Moody’s and Standard and Poor’s) were complicit. Dependent on the financial institutions for their fees, they gave excessively good ratings to these risky investments. Perhaps not fraud in the legal sense, but certainly misleading.

And, yes, substantial fraud was involved. For example, mortgage companies and banks used deceit to get people to take on mortgages when there was no possibility that the borrowers would be able to meet the payments. Not only was this fraud, but this fraud depended on government authorities ignoring their regulatory responsibilities.

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

Where is the Grand Jury and the FBI?

jafs 3 years, 2 months ago

If you find his posts boring, you can always easily skip over them.

grammaddy 3 years, 2 months ago

Thank you Merrill. If any of the posters on here had a clue what the "Occupy" movement was REALLY all about, they wouldn't be posting. They would OCCUPY!

grammaddy 3 years, 2 months ago

You could know what we know if you would take time from criticizing that which you obviously do not understand and spend it researching the subject. And the park is just as lovely as it always has been.

applefarmer 3 years, 2 months ago

Will the city get off their rears and uphold the law. I think if they don't do what they should then why not just do what we want. The city leaders are becoming more and more of a joke. Lets not offend anyone and not cause a scene that will make us look bad.

joshupetersen 3 years, 1 month ago

1st Ammendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Any law created that goes against the constitution is considered invalid.

When the people are peacably assembling and petitioning their government by their protest is use of their first ammendment rights, no other laws apply can contridict those rights without the state having to secede from the union first.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 2 months ago

The city is setting a dangerous precedent by not enforcing the law. What happens if other groups decide to protest and not follow the rules and their message is not one the city endorses?

I support protests regardless of the message, it is our right, but it must be lawful.

oldvet 3 years, 2 months ago

"Maybe these losers should toughen up and cut it out in the real world like the rest of us."

But they won't.... unsuccessful people refuse to do the things that successful people are willing to do. And those things usually involve hard work.

ceccarp 3 years, 2 months ago

Just because one is not as "successful" as you does not mean they know nothing about hard work. In fact they know more because it is harder to be unsuccessful than it is to be successful. Do you know how to deal with bill collectors demanding your last cent because you had the gall to pay your rent or buy food so your kids won't starve? Do you know how to jump through the hoops the any state agency puts in your way to just hope to qualify for a pittance in aid? No?? Then don't tell me I know nothing of hard work!! I'm with the Occupiers and I will be for as long as this protest takes.

ceccarp 3 years, 2 months ago

Again with the "Dirty Hippies", or in this case "smelly hippies." You disagree with us, fine, I get it. But do you see me, or anyone else bad-mouthing you?? I understand you disagree with us, but to be spouting nasty comments is uncalled for.

And I am not a loser. True, I don't have a job, but that's because I am disabled and cannot work in a conventional job. Others that are Occupying are employed. So to say we "should toughen up and cut it out in the real world like the rest of us" implies we are children that think society owes us anything. That is an assumption, and everyone knows what it means to "assume."

tomatogrower 3 years, 2 months ago

You do not believe that Wall Street investors should be held accountable for breaking the law? You do believe that American corporations should not care about the country that made them possible? You do believe that all corporations should be allowed to pollute all they want? You do believe that workers should just be happy with whatever scraps might get thrown to them? You support the bank bailouts?

Jonathan Fox 3 years, 2 months ago

Bank bailouts have all been repaid in full with interest. Workers recieve wages and benefits as dictated by law. Corporations will do whatever the american consumer allows them to do, as long as people continue to buy from these companies, they will continue to have power given to them by your earned money...

tomatogrower 3 years, 2 months ago

"There are those unscroupulous individuals who should definitely be held accountable, but you don't bring down the entire system because of a few. BTW, Obama's had 3 years to dole out justice for the bad apples in the crowd." The Occupy movement isn't trying to bring down the whole institution, and they are asking why Obama hasn't done anything to the law breakers.

Specifically corporations don't care where they hire people to work. Their only focus is to make money, even if it isn't morally correct. They will come out and tell you how many profits they made last quarter, pat you on the back, then lay off a third of their employees, because they are just such a burden. Do you really think they care about the United States or it's people, even if their ads are waving a flag?

You have proved my point with the China pollution problem. Companies moved there because they would have to spend their precious profits on pollution prevention measures. China will suffer for it in the end, but the corporations don't care. It's been great for their bottom line.

So not everyone can improve their marketable skills or we wouldn't have waitresses, busboys, babysitters, store clerks, etc. We need these people, but they aren't paid enough to rent an apartment and own a car, which is an evil necessity in the world. They should at least earn enough to not qualify for food stamps.

The bailouts weren't all bad, but the fact that banks are allowed to continue in their "too large to fail" sizes is bad.

If you would have a real conversation with the Occupy people, then you might learn you have more in common than you think. But you prefer to stereotype, call names, put words in their mouths, instead of opening a true dialogue.

David Reynolds 3 years, 2 months ago

City hall has a double standard regarding the occupiers. Several years ago the city used equipment to kick the homeless out of north Lawrence, for various reasons, amoung them being camping was not allowed.

Now City Hall says the occupiers can stay in violation of curfew in the park, no permit, open burning, etc.

It seems City Hall needs to decide if we enforce our laws uniformly or based on political agendas.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 2 months ago

It's not a double standard. Civil disobedience has some amount of first-amendment protection. Camping by the homeless is not an act of political speech.

joshupetersen 3 years, 1 month ago

1st Ammendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Any law created that goes against the constitution is considered invalid.

When the people are peacably assembling and petitioning their government by their protest is use of their first ammendment rights, those laws you speak of are null and void, and CANNOT apply, unless the state secedes from the union.

somedude20 3 years, 2 months ago

The city needs to uphold the law as others have said, it would cause a bad precedence if they did not, but having said that, I think the city is taking their time because they are not sure how these people will respond. If you kick them out will they go somewhere else? Will they need to have more police on call to move these guys out of the park (reminds me of an early 80's movie starring Tommy Lee Jones called "The Park is Mine") ? I would hope the reason the city is slow to respond is so that they can respond well and have no problems

David Reynolds 3 years, 2 months ago

Appreciate your comment. If the occpiers behave the way you mention then they should Goo to jail.

We should not enforce our laws based on predicted behavior. We must assume a civilized society.

If they insist on breaking the law then we know their intentions are not constructive, and thus not worthy of consideration.

Armored_One 3 years, 2 months ago

"The campers indicated that they would see it as a violation of their rights if the city insisted they leave the park."

And as to the rights of those that might want to enjoy the park without their presence?

Those that obey the laws and don't camp for days after a permit to do so has expired.

The sense of entitlement in this country is getting to levels that would gag a humpback whale. "Oh, I have a complaint so I shouldn't have to obey the laws unless I really feel like it"

I wonder if it is against the law to wander through a public park and spray water into the air from something like a super soaker.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 2 months ago

"The sense of entitlement in this country is getting to levels that would gag a humpback whale"

No one feels more entitled than the top 0.1%, i.e., the Koch Bros.

David Reynolds 3 years, 2 months ago

Visit what is your problem with the wealthy?

No one accumulated anything of value by sitting around and complaining about the other persons situation in life. Your comments are pure envy.

How about exerting your "blogging & complaining time" to bettering your lot in life.

Do you have any constructive goals to improve your personal situation, or are your goals purely destructive?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 2 months ago

The Koch Bros. spend $hundreds of millions and probably even more time advancing their agenda -- an agenda that's designed purely to better their lives at the expense of the hundreds of millions of people who lack the Koch's resources.

You're apparently OK with that, but the bit of time I spend entertaining myself on this forum (at no one else's expense) somehow means my goals are "destructive."

Tell you what-- you better your life the way you see fit, and I'll attend to mine, OK?

deec 3 years, 2 months ago

s 6, 9, 10 and 11 got rich by having the good sense to be born to an astute businessman father, and enhancing their inherited fortunes by exporting jobs, discriminating against women, and hating unions.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/list/

David Reynolds 3 years, 2 months ago

Bozo, what the Koch Brothers do or do not do with their money is non of our business. They owe you nor anyone else anything. What did the Koch Brothers ever due to you or anyone?

They made many of their employees multi-millionaires.

My point was, if you developed your skills to be marketable at their level you could be just as wealthy. Why do you waste your time complaining about some thing you can not change? Believe me, the Koch brothers are not going to change just because you and others are complaining.

By the way why are you not complaining about the following people? Jeff Immelt, CEO ofGE. GE has not paid taxes on their billions in income. Warren Buffet, His company nor he has paid taxes & he made almost $63 million alone last year George Soros, the multi billionaire who is instigating all of this hate thru his various organizations he funds.

Who do you think gains by creating all of this class warfare & envy? Believe me when the dust settles you & I will not have anything extra in our pockets.

Just say'n.....

gl0ck0wn3r 3 years, 2 months ago

Define "fair share" please. Are you suggesting that the Koch brothers did something illegal when they filed taxes or are you simply suggesting they didn't pay enough in your opinion and thus their money becomes your business.

David Reynolds 3 years, 2 months ago

Your complaint regarding taxes is with the Federal Government, not the Koch Bros. I know nothing about their specific tax situation, but will bet they used every opportunity to reduce their taxes like every other tax payer in the country.

H&R Bloch makes a fortune each year off wage earners looking to save a buck off their taxes. So "Where Is The Beef"?

You are paranoid, nobody is robbing anyone.

If you want to change the system then go after Obama, he is the one that promised "Hope & Change" and sits in command in DC.

Solicit him to change the tax code. You are complaining about the wrong people. I still have not heard anyone complain about Immulet, Buffet or Soros.

Armored_One 3 years, 2 months ago

Hmmm...

I wonder how those that own numerous businesses, thus qualifying them for this 1% moniker, will respond if their taxes are raised to the levels that I have read are wanted.

Gee, I dunno, maybe raise the prices on everything their businesses sell to offset the losses to income?

Can we shoot ourselves in both feet at the same time to just save time, or are these morons going to drag things out long enough that we actually have to take the time to shoot them one at a time, instead of one shot for both?

Just more proof that the collective intellect of a group decreases on an inverse curve directly related to the increase in the number of people involved.

MarcoPogo 3 years, 2 months ago

I will now spend the next few days "occupying" my back yard and burning my leaves in an open pit since the city has written us all a big, blank check to do whatever we'd like. DE-OCCUPY RAKING!

oldbaldguy 3 years, 2 months ago

Attending protests used to be a great way to meet impressionable young women back in the early 70's.

mcmandy 3 years, 2 months ago

At least he's working. The argument on here tends to say that the campers are a bunch of unemployed deadbeats. Not the case for Sean at least!

I worked at Wal-mart despite my adamant refusal to shop there for three months when I couldn't find anything else. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

David Reynolds 3 years, 2 months ago

What is interesting 1977 is Walmart gives the most money to charity , by far, than any other corporation, yet are the most maligned by the Progressives.

Progressives are never happy, and must be classified as the unhappiest people on earth.

It must be depressing to be a progressive.

lunacydetector 3 years, 2 months ago

"A Marxist ... logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism."

Saul Alinsky (1909-1972)

dontsheep 3 years, 2 months ago

And while the south park crowd may not get it, that's the point of the entire coordinated effort. Collapse one system into another.

kernal 3 years, 2 months ago

We'll see what happens when the temp dips below freezing in the wee hours of tomorrow. That should test their mettle. in the meantime, let them hang out today because they'll probably start to get bored with the whole thing.

somebodynew 3 years, 2 months ago

I just walked by there this morning (prior to reading this article) and noticed the fire. The wind is blowing about 20 mph and having an open fire is not just illegal, it is downright stupid. This in a park with a bunch of dried up leaves around to help catch other stuff on fire. Yeah, this group is real smart.

And I can't seem to remember where in the Bill of Rights it talks about camping out in a City park in violation of long time rules and regs is within your civil rights. Must have missed that sentence.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 3 years, 2 months ago

But Cromwell stopped short of saying the campers would immediately be found in violation of the city’s ordinance. Instead, Cromwell said a dialogue will need to be opened with the campers to “work together to resolve the issue.” Wheeler said her office was exploring the best way to do that, but offered no specific timeline. ++++++++++++++++ It is nice to see that those who make the rules can pick and choose which ones they enforce. This is a no brainer. Either resend the ordinance or enforce it.

If they don't enforce it, then how can they enforce the snow removal ordinance? The city's credibility is at zero.

gudpoynt 3 years, 2 months ago

Resend the ordinance to where?

Or did you mean "rescind"?

I am the left wing grammar police. Believe me when I tell you that by correcting your spelling and grammar errors, I am only acting in your own best interest.

Now, feel free to protest the snow removal ordinance. Fight to "rescind" this dispicable rule that threatens to encroach on your civil liberties.

It would be very courageous of you. And nobody would call you names or make fun of your protest...

... as long as your protest signs are spelled correctly and use proper grammar.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 3 years, 2 months ago

Some of us have wonderful lives, others can spell. I am so glad you look down your nose at others. I'll bet you feel much better about yourself every time you do it. Glad I could be of service.

gudpoynt 3 years, 2 months ago

Really? You have a wonderful life?

How is that possible when all of your posts are dripping with cynical, misspelled bitterness?

Unless, of course, you get enjoyment from being anonymously mean to people you don't know....

... and confusing your homonyms.

In that case, please continue on your marry way.

idarastar 3 years, 2 months ago

A fireman stopped by before the pit was fired and said it would follow regulations if it was an above-ground fire pit. There were 40 people at last night's general assembly.

gudpoynt 3 years, 2 months ago

how can you exercise civil disobedience by following all the rules?

gl0ck0wn3r 3 years, 2 months ago

No kidding. These are some boring proles. Why not burn the bandstand or occupy Mass Street? How about occupying Memorial Stadium right before kickoff at the next football game. At least do something interesting and have the sack to stand behind your convictions. Yawn.

Boston_Corbett 3 years, 2 months ago

I'm all for a good ole extended protest, after all, this is Lawrence. But these people should also behave in a respectful way that preserves the park for the rest of the community: i.e. move all tents & tables every few days so you don't damage the grass, no fires which could damage the grass, clean up after yourself, no litter, no noise outside of demonstrations, no late night noise, no public intoxication.

If they are doing any damage to South Park, or otherwise violate these kinds of rules, they should get booted and moved to Broken Arrow Park, Dad Perry Park or similar less central location.

oldbaldguy 3 years, 2 months ago

I think it is Osage. The impressionable young women were always sincere about whatever it was they were protesting. Back then it was usually the Vietnam War and women's lib. None of them wore bras although some should of.

KansasPerson 3 years, 2 months ago

Remember eight and a half years ago, when the city stood up to this?

I'd like to go camping too -- can I do this anywhere I want? I cannot. Some consistency, please, City.

Boston_Corbett 3 years, 2 months ago

Yea, and that one was in March, and could have gone on a long time.

I think the real issue on these current "occupations" is not now, with approaching winter, but next spring, because I don't think things are going to be any better economy wise. More cuts will be imposed on federal, state, and local programs, affecting more people. and a fresh crop of college graduates without jobs will be available. And in the spring, a long occupation is easier to do weather wise.

Armored_One 3 years, 2 months ago

ya know, I think tonight I might be taking myself a stroll down through the park with a nice big bucket of water. The burn ban is in place and I would be exercizing my civic requirement to protect the populace at large from a hazardous fire.

adavid 3 years, 2 months ago

tents have been moved multiple times. the occupants are doing a fantastic job and keeping litter and trash in designated bins for periodic removal. they've even kept the public restrooms clean. and the point of occupying south park is to BE in a central location. i suppose if anyone ranting around these LJ response columns had actually ever attended one of the DAILY general assemblies, they would be aware of the Occupants' desire for a clean and safe public park.

these are not communists or marxists or leninists or even nazis. they are citizens like you and I making a serious attempt to bring strangers together for some down-to-earth dialogue and to challenge our local government into action. our city leaders don't read the drivel spit about on this web site for many obvious reasons. the Occupants are pressing for our 1st amendment right to 'peaceably assemble'. the problem lies in the fact that for 6 1/2 hours out of the day, the park is seemingly off-limits. however, a stroll through it in the wee hours of the morning will prove that drunks often like to spend some time on the swing set. the anti-camping ordinance is an anti-homeless act first and foremost. it is a bow on the gift we are presenting to developers from Topeka and Kansas City. Lawrence is becoming a simple suburban hub for the upper class while driving the homeless farther and farther into reliance on their local community, which could do a hell of a lot more for each other than is currently practiced.

display not bumper stickers crying for people to 'think and act globally and locally', but rather join the Occupants who are really think-ING and act-ING globally and locally. talk is cheap, about as cheap as a bumper sticker.

part-time occupant, first-hand witness.

davisnin 3 years, 1 month ago

I've never seen anyone occupying the city commission meetings where Compton or Fritzel are getting their lovely tax incentive handouts. Perhaps if there were S'mores.

happygolucky 3 years, 2 months ago

Follow the rules or move on. Easy as that. Last I knew, unless the "fire pit" is alread established, you can't use it. The 60's are over hippies. Time to get a job and grow up. PS, Wall Street can't hear you....but can probably smell you.

davisnin 3 years, 1 month ago

Just to knock down one of the 'requests' from the occupiers, a living wage can't work. The inflation adjusted average workers salary hasn't increased in 50 years. Why? Because of evil corporations? No. Because it is the Pareto efficient market clearing wage. If you triple what people make the market will correct and each dollar will only be worth a third of what it is now. It's a morality free process. This is one of the few parts of economic theory that actually has held up for a good chunk of our history. Of course none of the people complaining about the stagnation in inflation adjusted wages mention how much the standard of living has risen in the same period. Nor does their empathy extend to the countries we outsource to and the fact that these jobs are akin to industrial revolutions pulling people out of poverty while at the same time indistinguishable on our end from similar job losses from advances in technology. (On that note, don't worry about call centers being outsourced to India, voice recognition tech will strip those jobs from them in the decade)

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