Archive for Saturday, October 8, 2011

Lawrence version of Occupy Wall Street protest springs up

October 8, 2011


The Occupy Wall Street populist protest movement that has sprung up across the nation made its way to Lawrence on Saturday, as more than 100 people gathered outside the U.S. Bank at Ninth and Massachusetts streets.

Occupy Lawrence protesters come to Massachusetts Street

Event organizer Lori Learned Robinson talks about the Occupy Lawrence protest, an offshoot of the national Occupy Wall Street movement. Enlarge video

The group chanted, held signs and sang songs that echoed themes.

“THIS IS CLASS WAR,” read one sign.

Occupy Lawrence demonstrators protest Saturday at Ninth and Massachusetts streets.

Occupy Lawrence demonstrators protest Saturday at Ninth and Massachusetts streets.

Last Friday, Lawrence resident Lori Learned Robinson and a small group of organizers were watching the Occupy Wall Street movement nationally, and were wondering if a local movement would begin. After nothing sprung up after a couple of days, she and her husband began a Facebook group that spread the word about the event.

“It’s a coming together of everyone who has grievances against the way things are being done,” she said. “The main focus is on Wall Street, and how Wall Street gets bailed out, but the American people don’t.”

The people who gathered were airing a wide variety of grievances, including large student-debt loads, wiretapping efforts and government spending on the military.

Mel Smith, of Lawrence, held a sign that asked, “What does it all mean?”

“What we’re here for is to help people realize that in order for the human race to survive, we have to be able to work together,” Smith said.


fastwalker 6 years, 7 months ago

"After nothing sprung up after a couple of days..."

What a brilliant composition, Andy...

Go on and get all the, like, koombaiyah-ing, like, out of your system, folks. i would not have predicted the possibility of a movement more stupid than the tea party, but it's arrived.

lunacydetector 6 years, 7 months ago

george soros who is funding these demonstrations made his money on wallstreet!

ivalueamerica 6 years, 7 months ago

I do not understand this concept that if you want Corporations to play fair, live by at least the same tax rate as we do and not have preferential treatment over voting citizens in our government that somehow means we want all corporations to go away?

It is sort of an ignorant and silly response. We went them held to the same standards of citizenship, rules, ethics and taxation as the rest of us.

If that offends you, then you do not value America.

overthemoon 6 years, 7 months ago

George Soros is NOT funding these demonstrations. Sorry, can't just pick a name out of the hat and try to create an equivalency to the corporate creation and sponsorship of the 'Tea Party'.

No one cares if people make money on Wall Street. A lot of people care that Wall street can screw up very badly and not be held accountable, that the large corporations and extremely wealthy can buy elections and take over our government and destroy the very bedrock of our democracy. And a lot of people care that no matter how hard they work, they can no longer expect to improve their own lives with their own work.

pace 6 years, 7 months ago

i know many of the people who have attended the protests against the wars for a decade, I know many of the people who walked on Wall street. While you seem to think they are secretly funded by rich men, like the Koch tea party is The only bus ride they will get are funded through the police dept. The biggest indicator if your town is ready for an occupy protest is, count the number of for sale signs, multiply that by the unemployed rate and see if that equals the number of people who feel they are the 99 percent or the 1% with the biggest tax cuts and loopholes. Jobs and foreclosures drive the people to the streets, Wall street crooks haven't been charged or indited, bailed out on the backs of working families. No jobs and losing their homes. Listen to those two words. JOBS - Homes.

tomatogrower 6 years, 7 months ago

Do you have proof of this? Other than the liars on Fox?

lunacydetector 6 years, 7 months ago

i notice the marxist signs at these rallies, the unified chants of the crowds...

1.submergence or the disappearance of a conscious personality and the appearance of an unconscious personality (aka “mental unity”). This process is aided by sentiments of invincible power and anonymity which allow one to yield to instincts which he would have kept under restraint (i.e. Individuality is weakened and the unconscious "gains the upper hand"); 2.contagion ("In a crowd every sentiment and act is contagious, and contagious to such a degree that an individual readily sacrifices his personal interest to the collective interest."); and 3.suggestibility as the result of a hypnotic state. "All feelings and thoughts are bent in the direction determined by the hypnotizer" and the crowd tends to turn these thoughts into acts.[11] In sum, the classic theory contends that:

“[Crowds] are unified masses whose behaviors can be categorized as active, expressive, acquisitive or hostile.” “[Crowd] participants [are] given to spontaneity, irrationality, loss of self-control, and a sense of anonymity.”[19]

ljwhirled 6 years, 7 months ago

If he is funding it, I want my check.

Wait... you say there is no check?

Hmmmm.....sounds like you are a brainwashed Fox News junkie.

Go back to your TV "lunacydetector", Rupert has some new marching orders for you.

lunacydetector 6 years, 7 months ago

the original call to Occupy Wall Street came from the magazine AdBusters, an anti-consumer publication financed by the Soros-funded Tides Foundation. is urging its supporters to join the well.

so, please don't lie.

parrothead8 6 years, 7 months ago

And several of the "Occupy" protesters addressed a letter to telling them they didn't want their support.

I don't understand how one party can call out the unemployed and people like teachers, who make $40k/year, and call it "sanity," yet when people (who don't seem to support either the Dems or Reps, btw) call out the billionaires who destroyed our economy it's class warfare.

mckillip 6 years, 7 months ago

at least these people are doing something. You complain about the lack of jobs and bank deregulation - but what are YOU doing about it? We can be a force for change only if we get off our butts, off our couches and put the tv remote done for 10 minutes and do something.

ljwhirled 6 years, 7 months ago

Wow. You must have been home schooled.

In public school we learned about the non-violent movement lead by Gandhi that lead India to independence.

We also learned about Martin Luther King Jr. who lead a non-violent movement for minority equality, a movement that lead to a black man in the Whitehouse only 40 years later.

Bob Forer 6 years, 7 months ago


"Historians, I was wondering if there has ever been a social movement for change without violence that worked?"

Absurd statement. How can an American not know about the non-violent civil rights movement lead by MLK?

Don't expect every American to know of Ghandi's movement. But Dr. Martin Luther King? I would be profoundly embarrassed to reveal such ignorance.

Bob Forer 6 years, 7 months ago

Martin and Malcolm never worked together. In fact, they only met once for a brief period.

There were some fringe groups such as the Black Panthers that committed violence, but they were never considered part of the mainstream movement and were repudiated by King and other mainstream leaders.

fastwalker 6 years, 7 months ago

this is a stock response typical of angsty liberals (reactionary? probably). the 'occupiers' are doing nothing but 'hanging out' - which accomplishes NOTHING. what they should be doing is applying for jobs. in effect, they're getting off their butts, going to wall street and getting back on their butts. this equates to solidarity in being whiners.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 7 months ago

"what they should be doing is applying for jobs."

Given that jobs are being ever more rapidly shipped overseas, isn't this akin to saying "if you don't like it, leave"?

verity 6 years, 7 months ago

"what they should be doing is applying for jobs"

Since it was on Saturday, I have the feeling most of them have jobs---which is why is was on Saturday.

pace 6 years, 7 months ago

I watch a tea on tv telling a well dressed, articulate employed man that he was dirty and unemployed. The teas seemed not to bother using their noggin, Too much emotion and no common sense.

Liberty275 6 years, 7 months ago

"at least these people are doing something."

You are joking, right? These protesters are doing zilch. Nothing other than the protestor's tan lines will be different after the protest. That is generally true for all protests except those against a small entity or those that gather enough support over months or years so a large entity can't ignore them.

For instance, do you think the phelps klan carrying around "god hates gay people" signs changes the minds corporatie officers that profit off of the gay lifestyle? No.

Protesting is silly. When the pitchforks come out, then it gets more interesting.

As for what I do, I do what all citizens in a democracy should do: I vote.

overthemoon 6 years, 7 months ago

voting is the right thing to do. but with the influence of corporate money and power, your vote doesn't equal one vote any more. I think you may see that this DOES grow enough support over the next few months that it DOES become impossible to ignore. The only way for that to happen is for the people to continue protesting and to build a clear and strategic process for enacting change. Sort of like the Kochs have done for years, only recently in the guise of the 'Tea Party'.

Liberty275 6 years, 7 months ago

I still think my vote counts as "1". I won't dispute that monied people can and do influence policy, much as you assert the Kochs do, but they don't influence policy with protests. Instead, they fund campaigns friendly to their interests then fund protests to give the politicians an excuse for making a decision.

The protest itself is a worthless gesture. It is only valuable if used correctly by large interests that have managed to install a political figure. A good example is the Kochs (and other like them), the tea party and the Wisconsin governor.

It doesn't always work. That's why we are still at war, funding weapons contractors, despite the once continuous anti-war rallies. Much of that was funded by men like George Soros, but they weren't as successful.

While a large interest may be funding and using the wall street protestors in that manner, the little protest in our cornfield here is too removed and small to matter.

Even the tea party, which is magnitudes larger than the wall st rally hasn't been a resounding success. All it has managed has been limited changes to some state's labor laws (and then only applicable to state workers). Certainly not anything as large as changes to federal law regarding corporations.

Liberty275 6 years, 7 months ago

And franky, protest are usually directed at the wrong people anyway. The Lawrence/Wall St protest have been aimed at... Wall Street. But Wall St isn't the problem. The problem is lazy legislators that allow special interest groups to write drafts of laws which the politician essentially plagiarizes and calls a bill, which may or may not become a law depending on how well financed his legislative and executive peers have been by the interest group.

If you want to protest, protest the bums that let interests write bills and the one that signs laws.

Of course, it wouldn't be prudent for our vocal Lawrence contingency, or the leftwing protestors currently in New York City to protest Mr Obama. He has them fooled into thinking he is on their side. Even if the bowl is empty, the dog doesn't bite the master.

Although I had a chow that wouldn't hesitate until he grew old to bite me whenever he felt the desire. In his old age, he would never bite me, but had grown wise enough to take the brush away from me (physically) instead of biting me because he didn't like being brushed. I really miss that dog.

Moral: Chows will bite you... and they don't let go. And it hurts.

classclown 6 years, 7 months ago

fastwalker (anonymous) says…

Go on and get all the, like, koombaiyah-ing, like, out of your system, folks. i would not have predicted the possibility of a movement more stupid than the tea party, but it's arrived.


Not sure if it's more stupid or not, but Joe Biden likens Occupy Wall Street to the Tea Party. This of course is a month or so after he likened (he sure does a lot of likening) the Tea Party to terrorists. So he must think of the Occupy Wall Street people as a bunch of terrorists as well.

I wonder if any of the people out there on Mass will ever be allowed to fly again.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 7 months ago

"Go on and get all the, like, koombaiyah-ing, like, out of your system, folks."

Click on the link and sing along. And, there's lots of pretty pictures to look at too. 'Kumbaya My Lord' - performed by 'The Seekers':

Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

Did any of the scamps take a dump on the sidewalk to emulate their heroes in NYC?

pace 6 years, 7 months ago

If you had the guts or the know how to make a sign, You could stand on the corner, Then you would have information about what goes on. Rather than lie about it.

KSWingman 6 years, 7 months ago

An Inconvenient Truth: The Face of a Movement:

Well, maybe not a face, but he has the "movement" part covered.

Looks like Poster Boy has no problem with wearing shoes made in Third World sweat shops by child laborers.

ljwhirled 6 years, 7 months ago

Yeah Fox News was all over the Tea Party. Betraying them as crazy reactionaries.

overthemoon 6 years, 7 months ago

Name ONE act of vandalism in Wisconsin that was not traced to a right wing plant.

snitty 6 years, 7 months ago

The Occupation movement is the only thing out there that addresses the real problems of creeping corporate fascism and grotesque economic inequality that politicians in both parties are incapable of dealing with because of the role of money in the election process. You can disparage the messengers all you want but this is a movement with legs, unlike the astroturf tea party.

dontsheep 6 years, 7 months ago

Are you serious? This think started about 200 days ago with Stephen Lerner. It's been organized by SEIU, the DNC, Tides, etc since the beginning. 3 weeks into it and these "poor" protestors are now circulating professionally created and printed newspapers that look better than the LJWorld. Food and water are being transported in.

This movement is paid for by people who want our country to collapse.

Either you want them to and agree with their position or you are blind.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 7 months ago

Actually, you're wrong-- it's the tea party that was co-opted from the start by folks like the Kochs and Rupert Murdoch and Sarah Palin. This was largely a spontaneous demonstration, but some of the organizations you mentioned have chosen to participate. However, the DNC and the Obama Administration are very wary of getting involved, knowing full well that they are neck-deep in the very corruption these folks are protesting.

"3 weeks into it and these "poor" protestors are now circulating professionally created and printed newspapers that look better than the LJWorld."

They are being produced by the Independent, a British newspaper, so, yes, they are being professionally produced. But it's a truly professional journalistic organization, so you'll never hear that newspaper associated with the tabloid journalism of Rupert Murdoch and Fox News, the real driving force behind the tea party.

Liberty275 6 years, 7 months ago

"However, the DNC and the Obama Administration are very wary of getting involved, knowing full well that they are neck-deep in the very corruption these folks are protesting."

Did you really say that? Maybe there is hope for you yet.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 7 months ago

I've been saying that for years about the DLC, Wall-Street Democrats.

verity 6 years, 7 months ago

"This movement is paid for by people who want our country to collapse."

Sir/Madam, I call you on your lie. To accuse any American of wanting this country to collapse just because they disagree with you is very low.

dontsheep 6 years, 7 months ago

Did you watch the video? Did you research the groups involved? They want the US to collapse. Plain and simple. Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't mean its not true.

verity 6 years, 7 months ago

Yes, I did watch the video and, yes, I have done research. I have seen no indication that anyone involved wants the US to collapse. In fact, quite the opposite is true. If the US continues on it's current path, there is great danger of it collapsing.

Just because you want to believe it doesn't mean it is true.

verity 6 years, 7 months ago

Accusing others of what they themselves are doing is the radical right game plan.

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 7 months ago

The Tea Party should join with the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 6 years, 7 months ago

The Tea Party can't, they have jobs and have to support the loosers at 9th and Mass.

pace 6 years, 7 months ago

the tea party can't join the occupy movement because they weren't told to by the Koch bros. Most of the teas are retired, old, whiney hysterics. If they understood protest, they would be out on the street. They haven't got the guts. they helped elect people who hurt the economy more than even Bush did. Not bright but loud. They haven't got the guts to even check the math.

fastwalker 6 years, 7 months ago

the "movement" is totally inert - the "leaders" can hardly articulate why they are protesting in the first place. an entire generation of self-entitled whiners want to be spoon fed and their butts wiped... IT'S LIKE, PATHETIC

ljwhirled 6 years, 7 months ago

Neither could the Tea Party at first.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 7 months ago

" the "leaders" can hardly articulate why they are protesting in the first place."

And let me guess-- all you know if it what you heard on Fox News or CNN.

fastwalker 6 years, 7 months ago

"ll you know if it what you heard on Fox News or CNN."

if i am deciphering you (and the "movement" you are sympathizing with) correctly, any source of corporate news is illegitimate, the propaganda arm of the corporate oligarchy.

i take issue with the 24/7 cable news media drones. but personally, i don't see any benefit in an imprecise, uninformed, aimless, and anarchic crowd of aging hippies and lazy 20 somethings chanting vague slogans and operating under a 'protest for protest's sake' mentality.

obstructionism is a pathetic, toxic replacement for a focused, substantive platform (oh, but that would require actual work to coordinate). the bulk of the people protesting are too lazy and uninformed to improvise organizationally on the spot.

what will you say when this extreme continuation of the empty 'hope & change' rhetoric dies on the vine?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 7 months ago

And your over generalizations and straw men about people you appear to know very little about-- how does that help anything?

overthemoon 6 years, 7 months ago

Actually, they are very articulate. It is the media, who tried so hard to ignore the marches, that is saying there is no coherent goal. You should know that just because the media says something does not make it true.

pace 6 years, 7 months ago

Sorry, you are confused. The people standing up, occupying Mass aren't tea party loud mouths. They are aren't yelling "keep the government hands off medicare" (lol) they are the 99 %. JOBS Homes, Look at the tea party congress, they wanted to skip paying on the loans to save money. Only morons think reneging on the credit payment saves money. We don't need to spare the wealthiest. They are pretty well cushioned. Let them pay a fair tax, Indite crooks on wallstreet, call a bankster a bankster and put america back in business, not put American working families bowing to business.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

Has everyone written a thank-you note to Durbin for the new bank charges?

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 7 months ago

What new charges? I bank locally and haven't seen any new charges. Are you talking about BoA? They made up new fees for debit card use so that their CEO could continue making 800-times the average workers wage ANd get a multi-million dollar bonus.

Liberty275 6 years, 7 months ago

"Hide and watch" is the correct phrase.

ljwhirled 6 years, 7 months ago

As a merchant, I am pretty happy with it.

Tired of paying $0.44 in fees on a $3 transaction.

Lots of banks will offer debit cards for free, it is the large banks that are bringing the suck to their customers.

gudpoynt 6 years, 7 months ago

snap... you're referring to the new limits on swipe fees to which BoA has responded by charging their customers $5/mo to use their debit card?

"The central bank initially proposed a 12-cent limit on those fees in December, following a Fed survey of banks that found that the median cost of processing a debit card transaction was 7 cents, with an average cost per swipe of 4 cents. The 12-cent cap would have left banks with a profit margin of about 70 percent on debit cards based on the median cost, but represented a reduction of almost 75 percent from the current average swipe fee of 44 cents per transaction."

Way to go snap.... forget the rationale behind combating the status quo of allowing banks to make an average of 1100% profit on debit card swipes, and go after Durbin for the reaction by BoA who, instead of acquiescing to less profits (but still plenty of them), decides to mitigate any profit loss by charging consumers with brand new fees.

Tell me snap... with our free market, how can the largest bank in the country get away with an average of 1100% profit per debit card transaction? Why hasn't the market responded in such a way as to reduce, or even eliminate these extraneous fees for retailers and consumers?

Tell me snap... would you even be aware that you, or the retailers at which you shop, were being charged an average of 11 times the actual cost of what it takes to process a debit card transaction?

Forget the rationality behind the legislation. Forget who fought tooth and nail against it. Forget that it has been small businesses that have getting screwed by this practice for years now. And just go after the Democratic senator who pushed for change.

Good work.

"According to data from the Nilson Report, an industry publication, banks scored $16 billion in 2009 on debit card swipe fees, with half of the total flowing to just 10 banking behemoths."

That's $16 billion flowing out of the pockets of small business and consumers, and into the profit margins of big banks. And that's just from debit card transactions.

Well... at least they created a bunch of jobs with it, and didn't beg for a government bailout after they helped tank the U.S. economy.....

.... wait a minute....

del888 6 years, 7 months ago

I have to wonder how many of these protesters actually have money in Wall Street (or in the banking system for that matter). If they have no interest then they shouldn't be protesting against them. I also wonder how many of these New Yorkers actually have a job and are contributing to society. I don't think I can get 3 weeks off work to go protest, so I'm just going to go back to work like I do every day!

verity 6 years, 7 months ago

"I have to wonder how many of these protesters actually have money in Wall Street (or in the banking system for that matter). If they have no interest then they shouldn't be protesting against them."

Huh? You think that Wall Street or even the banking system has no effect on those who don't have money invested? Everybody has an interest in Wall Street and the banking system, whether they are personally invested or not.

Katie Dennis 6 years, 7 months ago

Is this a joke? Do you honestly think Wall St. and the banks only affect those with money in stocks? It controls our economy! The government is in bed with Wall St. and the banks. The government took OUR tax dollars, that should go to pay for the government to run, build infrastructure, fund schools and provide services to the public, and instead bailed out these big banks with OUR money! My tax dollars are given to fat cats on Wall Street, while I can't get affordable health care even though I work 40 hours a week! Of course it affects us! You're nuts if you think otherwise.

Lisa Medsker 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm not exactly sure which side of the self-righteous fence you're on, here... You seem to feel superior on one hand by assuming that protestors have money in Wall Street, and therefore, shouldn't be protesting. On the other hand, you seem to feel so superior to those who have jobs, and are sick and tired of the way things are being run, and they should all just go back to their jobs that aren't making enough to live on, and suck it up like good little sheep. Meanwhile, you, being so much better than they, go to work and "be good", while checking your investment portfolio. Since it works for you, and you would never dream of "stepping out of line", the rest of us have no right to object?

Most of the people protesting are buried under student loan debt, illegal mortgages with fees and interest continually piling up, or medical bills that you are, apparently, too clever/wealthy/superior/well-supported/young to get caught in, as are most of the people in this forum, who are also apparently far superior to the majority of the working class in this country.

The "job" they are not going to, apparently, is less lucrative, less satisfying, more dangerous, exhausting, demoralizing and expensive, monetarily, physically, and psychically, than actually doing something about it might be. I can certainly understand that.

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 7 months ago

WaKe Up!!! "Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. "

tbaker 6 years, 7 months ago

Perhaps these protestors should ask themselves how Dubai went from an empty piece of trackless desert to the 16th most powerful financial center in world in just eight years. I'll give them a hint: It had nothing to do with oil. It had everything to do with government, most particularly the lack of it. Government beyond the bare essentials makes and keeps people poor. What these poor saps don't realize is what they think they need and are asking for will actually cause more of what they are protesting against.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 7 months ago

Actually, it came from lots of oil money and the willingness to bring in lots of foreign workers who are treated abysmally and granted almost no basic human rights. Some might be even call it a version of slavery.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 7 months ago

And you're sadly mistaken if you think there is no government there. It's just that the only purpose of that government is to enforce the will of the very small ruling elite.

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 7 months ago

Dubai! A virtual Shangri-La! Except for the slave labor and environmental catastrophe. We don't need no stinking government.

"Every evening, the hundreds of thousands of young men who build Dubai are bussed from their sites to a vast concrete wasteland an hour out of town, where they are quarantined away. Until a few years ago they were shuttled back and forth on cattle trucks, but the expats complained this was unsightly, so now they are shunted on small metal buses that function like greenhouses in the desert heat."

Dubai Faces Environmental Problems After Growth. "Dubai’s skyline is the most sparkling in the Middle East. But down on the ground, the environmental problems of a quickly erected city built on sand look a lot less alluring." "In the last year, tourists have swum amid raw sewage in Dubai’s slice of the Persian Gulf. The purifying of seawater to feed taps and fountains is raising salinity levels. And despite sitting on vast oil reserves, the region is running out of energy sources to support its rich lifestyle."

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 7 months ago

"We don't need no stinking government."

From: 'The Treasure of the Sierra Madre', We Dont Need No Stinkin Badges!:

From: 'Blazing Saddles', We dont need no stinking badges..

Liberty275 6 years, 7 months ago

"Until a few years ago they were shuttled back and forth on cattle trucks"

LOL. That's exactly how they took us into the desert for training in boot camp leaving out of Fort Bliss (in El Paso) on hot July days. It isn't that bad.

Lisa Medsker 6 years, 7 months ago

Feelin' lucky that I got to do basic in the fall! Cattle trucks aren't much fun, though, when the snow is blowing in sideways...

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 7 months ago

I rode the 'cattle trucks' too, at Ft. Dix, in below zero weather. But, that was back when I was an army slave; government chattel. The workers in Dubai are treated the same...I'd rather drive myself to work everyday in a climate controlled environment listening to NPR.

Lisa Medsker 6 years, 7 months ago

Frozen basic issue boot soles on ice! YEAH!

I've gotten kind of used to my car with a heater and A/C, too. I admit it: I've "gone soft"...

overthemoon 6 years, 7 months ago

Last I heard, Dubai is crashing and burning with many big projects standing incomplete. It is more a symbol of grotesque excess, greed and corruption. Is that what you'd like to see here??

Carol Bowen 6 years, 7 months ago

The developers in Dubai are having a hard time right now. They are overextended.

jafs 6 years, 7 months ago

You should see a doctor - you may have narcolepsy.

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 7 months ago

WaKe Up!!! "Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. "

UFC_FAN 6 years, 7 months ago

HAHAHA, what a bunch of hippies. Wonder if there was a Honk 4 Hemp sign there too.

lunacydetector 6 years, 7 months ago

isn't this protest a few years late? obamabots calling for obama to be our first totalitarian nice. can't wait for the civil war to break out, fighting over what? a soros funded protest that is supposed to look grass roots. i thought democrats were supposed to be 'smarter' than the rest of us.

geekin_topekan 6 years, 7 months ago

"We're here! We're Queer! We take it in the r..." Oh wait, wrong corner.

beatrice 6 years, 7 months ago

Since the "We're here, we're queer, get used to it!" protest days began, gay marriage has since become accepted in several states and will likely become nationally recognized in the not too distant future, and people who are gay no longer have to hide their identity in order to serve their country by joining the military, among other forms of recognition and acceptance.

Yes, people will make fun of those who speak out -- as evidenced by your attempt at an oh so clever post -- but speaking out can and often does bring about significant change. Thanks for the reminder.

verity 6 years, 7 months ago

"Thanks for the reminder."

Second that.

corduroypants 6 years, 7 months ago

Good talk, Coach! Now take a lap and hit the showers!

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 7 months ago

Lori Robinson? Seriously? Lolz

If you want a class war, bring it, proles.

Liberty275 6 years, 7 months ago

Keep your class warfare off my lawn you whippersnappers!

dcase 6 years, 7 months ago


Uh. Have you actually read 1984? If you had, you'd know that "proles" are underclass workers content with their lives due to their ignorance. As the Occoupy Wall Street protesters are upset about the destruction of the middle class at the hands of corporate America, they clearly are not ignorant, content or "proles" as you claim.

You're buzzword may have some emotional pull when you talk to the Fox News crowd or other people whose screen names include guns, but for anyone who's ever read a book, it falls flat on its face. EIther know what you're talking about or stop talking.

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 7 months ago

I think you meant "your" and "occupy" and yes, I've read the work multiple times over the years. I am very familiar with it and I think the word is very adequate. I would be happy to put my education and library up against yours, prole, but don't let that get in the way of your inaccurate posts. You may stop talking now.

Bob Forer 6 years, 7 months ago

Congratulations to the folks who took time on a beautiful Saturday afternoon to exercise their constitutional rights and to stand up for social justice. i wish I had been there. I have a feeling the "Occupy" movement may take off. People are sick and tired of the greed of the multimillionaires along with Washington's complicity.

The people who are ridiculing the demonstration would have probably ridiculed the civil rights movement in its infancy. All movements have to start someplace. Folks though my father was crazy when he went to Georgia shortly after WWII to register black voters. He was almost lynched.

Any movement for social change has to start someplace. The time is ripe. Don't be discouraged by the naysayers and critics who spend their time watching TV and worrying about their retirement.

There is redemption in a just struggle!!!

Bob Forer 6 years, 7 months ago

I am self employed. Social justice is not about tearing down the rich but about empowering the poor, the working class, and the middle class. If by seeking justice the rich are minimally stymied in their ability to exploit the rest of us, then I guess from the perspective of the wealthy, they are being "torn down."

pizzapete 6 years, 7 months ago

I kinda miss having a president we could always rely on to smile and say someting stupid while the stock market crashed, millions lost jobs, our militiary was being outsourced to Haliburton, and the oil and coal industries were allowed to further pollute our environment.

Mike Ford 6 years, 7 months ago

for the rushs, maths, and other dimwits, I hope you're as happy paying alliegience to the people who jerk you over. You may not be wealthy but you have no problem siding with the economic powers that screw you over in the first place. I had some ancestors who were southerners 160 years ago who had no problem siding with the plantation slave owners even though they couldn't afford to own people themselves. Like you three, they buried their heads in the sand and agreed with their oppressors because they were too distracted to care. In this day and age there are auto workers in the southeast who make maybe half of union workers and live in an updated plantation system that now throws people in the south into an exploitational economic trap where the republican governors like Haley Barbour and Bob Riley exploit the whole spectrum of races for cheap labor down there. I used to drive past the Nissan plant in Canton, Mississippi on I-55 and see this before I disowned my late mother's family. This country is full of Archie Bunkers that don't want to be distracted with facts. Get your dumb on.....

Cant_have_it_both_ways 6 years, 7 months ago

You could funnel your negative aggression into doing something to better yourself, or you can continue to stand on the porch and bark, blaming everyone else for your lack of success.

Liberty275 6 years, 7 months ago

"In this day and age there are auto workers in the southeast"

And there are people that want those jobs that are even poorer. Would you rather see those cars built in Japan or maybe China and even fewer Americans working?

Take your pick: $15 + benefits or $0.

jafs 6 years, 7 months ago

According to testimony before Congress, total union wages and benefits accounted for about 10% of auto companies expenses.

That leaves a lot of other expenses that should be looked at, don't you think?

And, Ford seemed to do ok by selling off lower performing divisions, and making smaller more fuel efficient cars that sold better - they didn't need a bailout.

Most recently, they've negotiated with the unions to provide profit-sharing instead of annual wage increases.

yourworstnightmare 6 years, 7 months ago

While I am disappointed in the diffuse and incoherent nature of this protest, it is clear that there is some real anger out there.

People are tired of seeing their own prospects decline while the fortunes of those on Wall Street and in corporate board rooms continue to increase.

People are tired of being played the fool by criminals who are able to make their crimes legal.

People are tired that Bush and then Obama bailed out banks and corporations, and that these corporations are allowed to continue business as usual.

People are tired of a disastrous tax code that removes responsibility of corporations and wealthy individuals to pay their fair and just share.

People are tired of a tax system that has allowed corporations to amass record sums of cash while at the same time killing the purchasing power of the middle class, abolishing any hope of new job creation by said corporations.

Tea, anyone?

Mike Ford 6 years, 7 months ago

why...your gop dimwits duck blame all the time.....I'm going to call one in Illinois tomorrow and let him have it....governments and people have to work together... otherwise we have your form of pta government with no intellectual ideas and a bunch of i got mine screw you people....if you have all these churchlicans in your fold tell me where selfishness is considered christian????

Keith 6 years, 7 months ago

Listen to the dinosaurs roar. The comet has hit and you're the next eons oil. Too late and too old to change, all they can do is impotently rage while the world changes around them.

kernal 6 years, 7 months ago

The devil with the big bankers. They're so danged stupid, ignorant and selfish the market doesn't have a chance of fixing itself. They are beginning to repeat the problems of one hundred years ago and will cause even more problems if they don't sober up tomorrow. Ditto with many of the politicians the voters have sent to Washington.

We cannot rollover and play dead. I'll grant you naysayers that most of those young protestors went in there (Wall Street) fairly ignorant about more than the basics of economics and banking, but I'd bet money they're learning more day by day and many of them will continue to do so, unlike some commentors across the country. But, unlike most of us, they're not keeping quiet. They're reminding us this is their future and they are not going to stand calmly by and let the mega corporations turn middle class Americans back into a lower income class like the 1800's. Don't underestimate their power because the middle class is joining them.

Grey Panther t-shirt? Are you kidding me.

pace 6 years, 7 months ago

lol, it isn't the rich, the bloated, the banksters, the crooks, we should rail against , It is the elected president of the United States. You should go to remedial math class. I am disappointed at Obama's mild reaction to the corrupt and abusive tax code and loopholes for the richest. But I am not so stupid as to lay that blame at his door. I go to $ongress for that. Deluded teas who think events decades in the making can be blamed on one man and then they don't have to make sense. LOL

Mike Ford 6 years, 7 months ago

I survive and yet I'm not as selfish and ignorant sounding as both ways, rush, and math. Why... because I have a heart they don't. You three benefit from closing your eyes, ears, and minds, to the thieves you defend. You all want to work all day for nickles on the sound like you existed in know before work regulations and pay regulations...that republicans like Teddy Roosevelt supported as he split from his exploitative republican party and ran as a bull moose candidate... oh that's don't know watch faux know everything from your armchair quarterback position sitting next to archie bunker.....

Liberty275 6 years, 7 months ago

You are the most selfish person on this award-winning news corporation's forum. As for ignorant, you aren't. You appear somewhat educated and knowledgeable about native American history and affairs from a narrow background. But you don't think, you feel, and mostly you feel hate.

Noweigh 6 years, 7 months ago

Yes, I'm outraged too by the massive big oil conspiracy to lower gas prices recently. When gas prices fell, I was out there demanding an explanation of how those evil "big oil" companies all conspire to lower their prices all at once. They tell me its a conspiracy when they raise prices, same must be true when they're lowered. The man, taken it to us again.

lunacydetector 6 years, 7 months ago

the original call to Occupy Wall Street came from the magazine AdBusters, an anti-consumerisst publication financed by the Soros-funded Tides Foundation. is urging its supporters to join the well.

Lies And the Lying Liar Protestors

Mark Kostner 6 years, 7 months ago

The Occupy Wall Street movement needs to take it to the head of the snake, The Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. The Lawrence bank is just the local branch, although it's good that they did. Make sure they make their presence felt during operating hours. A British friend of mine told me that America was a free country from 1776-1913, when the private Federal Reserve took over. The banksters are doing to us what they did to the third world in the late 20th century.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 7 months ago

Where Would Jesus Park?

He didn't need to park. He walked.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 7 months ago

Well, maybe He did drive. 'What Would Jesus Drive?' performed by 'Sky Blue' at Homer's Coffee House, Overland Park, KS, October 17, 2009

true_patriot 6 years, 7 months ago

I don't really see the lack of a coherent message - underlying all of the diffuse articulations there is the elephant in the living room - this is anger about the redistribution of wealth over the past few decades that has accelerated dramatically over the past decade.

People aren't necessarily even asking for all the money back that has been redistributed ("stolen" is more accurate but more charged vocabulary) from the middle class to the top few percent - they're only just now starting to express real desire to putting a stop to it. That is the underlying and coherent message:

"Stop the redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top few percent. Now."

Mike Ford 6 years, 7 months ago

name calling and denial means tuschkahouma is +3....when confronted with being owned conservatives change the subject....stay down....maybe I'll stop having to refute your nonsense...

vuduchyld 6 years, 7 months ago

There's no use pretending The demographics are trending But I've lived here a long time and my family's here, too For the record, there's no trusting Their faith-based programs and union busting I live in a red state and that's why I'm so blue

(watch the video!)

verity 6 years, 7 months ago

There are quite a number of organizations involved in the occupation of Wall Street and the other occupations, but I think this website puts it quite clearly what the occupations are about.

Armored_One 6 years, 7 months ago

So out of idle curiosity, if the tables were reversed, and the ones demanding this presumed wealth redistribution were the ones with the wealth, would they be so keen on the idea?

More than likely, this is just another example of "I want something that isn't mine but since I want it, I should be given it."

Our ancestors would be disgusted.

verity 6 years, 7 months ago

I have enough to live decently, at least for now. I'm not asking for anything more for myself.

What I want is for everyone to have a fair chance to succeed and for fair elections, not manipulated by Diebolt or money. I want the destruction of the working class to stop. Yes, that will benefit me in the long run. The current destruction of the working class will result in the economy tanking even further and then I may not have enough to live on.

What true_patriot said: "Stop the redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top few percent. Now."

Armored_One 6 years, 7 months ago

To stop that 'redistribution', as you have quoted, then there must be the inverse, which means Robin Hood should be really busy in the relatively near future.

The destruction of the working class? I really have to question the wisdom of that statement, since the destruction is not being caused by anything more than capitalism. If you operate a business, and you have two choices, namely pay an American 10 dollars and hour or someone in India 2 dollars an hour, which one would you choose? Personally, I'd ship the business there as well, since the whole point of being in business is to maximize your profit margins, not make sure the guy next door has a job.

The rich is not the problem.

The soaring costs of several requirements for a family to operate, from gasoline to utility costs to food, is what is slaughtering more families than anything the 'rich' could accomplish short of just flat out slaughtering people.

The government is more at fault for the current problems than the rich could ever manage. Inflated housing costs, union workers demanding that they should be paid 5 to 8 times the minimum wage, despite several of the unions doing much less strenuous work than the average McDonald's employee. Taxes being unequally applied, forcing the difference to be made up by others.

If you want to have a protest, protest unions, banks and the government.

Bill Gates didn't screw anyone out of anything. Your average politician stopped being a servant of the people about 60 years ago, and the gulf between reality and Washington has grown exponentially with each subsequent generation.

If you are going to shoot a target, try actually aiming at the target rather than closing your eyes and praying for the best.

jafs 6 years, 7 months ago

That's interesting.

The destruction, in your own words, is "not being caused by anything other than capitalism", which is another way of saying it's being caused by capitalism.

But, then, when you advocate for targets, you say nothing of capitalism, but rather focus on "unions, banks, and the government".


verity 6 years, 7 months ago

Where to start. Jafs has already addressed one of your statements.

"To stop that 'redistribution', as you have quoted, then there must be the inverse . . ." Must there?

You cannot separate the "rich" from "government." Unfortunately, the more money you have and can give to politicians, the more government you own.

"If you want to have a protest, protest unions, banks and the government." If you check, I believe you will find they are protesting the banks and government, the unions probably not so much.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

"More than likely, this is just another example of "I want something that isn't mine but since I want it, I should be given it." +10 (from a source)

Liberty275 6 years, 7 months ago

That sounds all well and good, but what is Wall St. "shearing" off the people at the protest? Wall Street doesn't have the power to make people buy things. Of late, only the federal government has that authority (only until the SCOTUS rules the obamacare mandate obscenely unconstitutional).

Liberty275 6 years, 7 months ago

"Ever hear of the futures market driving prices up?"

Sure, they can drive prices up, but they are hanging their rears on the line. If they drive the prices up and the bottom falls out, they are bankrupt... unless THE GOVERNMENT bails them out.

"CEO's hired to "downsize" employee's at the expense of the economy and quality?"

A: corporations owe no allegiance to the economy, only the shareholders. B: cut quality? I'll buy the other one.

"Too many corporations raising prices just to make up their losses in the markets?"

Don't pay for more than you want or need.

"american subsides then going overseas to create jobe?"

Who is giving them subsidies without rules requiring them to remain in the US? The protesters should be screaming at the regulators, not the corporations following the law.

"not being able to get anything done. "

If government can't do anything, they can't screw it up worse.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 7 months ago

While they are at it we might as well be calling for CUTTING OFF special interest financing of elections! YES even at the local level.

Our government is always claiming the USA is about democracy. In that case allow the citizens to practice democracy by allowing citizens to vote on these issues in 2012.

Vote out the ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy which do nothing to make an economy strong or produce jobs. Tax cuts are a tax increase to others in order to make up the loss in revenue = duped again.

Always a bad Idea = Bush Tax Cuts - The ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class = duped one more time.

Let's demand a new system and vote in Fair Vote America : Demand a change on the next ballot.

Let's have public financing of campaigns. Citizens cannot afford special interest money campaigns for it is the citizens that get left out. Let citizens vote on this issue.

Bribery of elected officials is the most stinky of all bribery!

Day in and day out our elected officials spend hours each day campaigning for campaign dollars. When they take time out to make a speech and/or attend luncheons etc etc etc this is campaigning for money. Let's not pretend only the presidential race is on the clock 24/7.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 7 months ago

Face it Wall Street is a scam romanticized by politicians yet cannot be a tool to measure the economy. It is a casino for those who can afford to lose money then buy back and make more.

Case in point:

Former President George W. Bush repeatedly claimed that those who put their money in private accounts would be “guaranteed a better return than they would receive from the current Social Security system.

But every sale of stock on the stock market includes the disclaimer: “the return on this investment is not guaranteed and may be negative” for good reason. During the 20th century, there were several periods lasting more than ten years when the return on stocks was negative.

After the Dow Jones stock index went down by over 75% between 1929 and 1933, the Dow did not return to its 1929 level until 1953.

In claiming that the rate of return on a stock investment is guaranteed to be greater than the return on any other asset, Bush was lying.

The big question??? Why didn't democrats call for an Independent Counsel and a Grand Jury on the home loan fraud? Some RINO's should be jail as we speak.

On this issue as well: Bush and Henry Paulson blew the $700 billion of bail out money?

jafs 6 years, 7 months ago

Watching these discussions about this group and the t-party folks is interesting to me.

They look very similar to me - they're both somewhat grass-roots, involve people who are frustrated with our current political/business environment, and both have attracted the attention of various political groups and the media.

Also, they at their inception have been a bit unfocused and loose, gradually coming together a bit more to articulate their goals. Some people in each group are intelligent and well spoken, and others less so.

It's another strange example of partisan politics that folks will praise one group and dismiss the other - I think they're both expressions of the frustration that many Americans feel with our current political and economic climate.

Maddy Griffin 6 years, 7 months ago

Unless the protesters are still there, this was not an "Occupy" movement. You don't just show up, chant, wave signs and leave.You stay until demands are met. OCCUPY!!

Fred Whitehead Jr. 6 years, 7 months ago

Actually, this is just another diversion for the under-occupied crowd. These kind of "protests" really accomplish nothing. The people on Wall Street have probably never heard of Lawrence, or even Kansas (unless they might have seen "The Wizard of Oz") It is a bit dismaying to see all these people exerting this kind of fruitless effort when they could be engaged in some sort of useful activity.

designdiva 6 years, 7 months ago

Like posting on this "award winning website"?

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 7 months ago

Don't tarnish Flea by associating him with these hippies.

I'm sitting here having my morning Jewish Donut and tea waiting for some proles to show up and start a class war. Yawn. At least the market is up today.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

"You stay until demands are met." Or until Rin Tin Tin shows up, takes a bite out of crime and you get tossed in the slammer for criminal trespass, being a public nuisance, public defecation or loitering with intent to commit mopery.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

Speaking of Wall Street: "While the professional Left trashes Wall Street, they might want to consider how their current President got elected. The Sunlight Foundation reports that Barack Obama didn’t just win the Wall Street sweepstakes in 2008 over John McCain — he’s done better at getting Wall Street cash than any other President in the last 20 years: Despite his rhetorical attacks on Wall Street, a study by the Sunlight Foundation’s Influence Project shows that President Barack Obama has received more money from Wall Street than any other politician over the past 20 years, including former President George W. Bush. In 2008, Wall Street’s largesse accounted for 20 percent of Obama’s total take, according to Reuters. …" (from a source)

Aiko 6 years, 7 months ago

What was the wire tapping sign about?

kufan1146 6 years, 7 months ago

I can't help but laugh a little of the irony of the participating protesters organizing the events through corporate social networks, using corporate-made cell phones on corporate-owned internet providers, driving corporate-made cars to the protest, writing their slogans on corporate-manufactured paper and attaching them corporate-milled wood...and paid for each little piece of the protest using corporate bank issued debit or credit cards, thereby making Wall St. just a tiny bit richer each time they bought something to protest Wall St.

mcmandy 6 years, 7 months ago

I do believe that the laundry list you just provided has a lot to do with why so many people are mad. They stopped seeing it as ironic and started seeing it as disgusting that it is impossible to even live your life without putting money into a corporation's pocket.

ljwhirled 6 years, 7 months ago

The corporate cell phones that use public spectrum?

The corporate network that is based on the DARPA funded DARPANET?

The corporate made paper produced with trees grown in public national forests?

The corporate internet providers who have their equipment on public utility easements?

The corporate cars that need public roads to function?

The corporate banks that are insured by the FDIC? The same ones that were bailed out by TARP?

Starting to understand why the public is sick of corporations taking advantage?

They make the money, get the bail outs, pay the CEOs billions all the while using public infrastructure and property to reap their rewards.

Many corporations take advantage of all of this without paying any taxes, or by hiding taxes using loopholes.

It is time for us to change it.

Corporations are not people. They have no rights and should be subservient to the common welfare.

ljwhirled 6 years, 7 months ago

Simply put, we need to limit the role of corporations in society.

This doesn't necessarily restrict capitalism, it simply restricts the impact of the legal fiction that this entity created by filing a few forms and holding a couple of meetings has the same rights as a human being.

Corporations are not people and do not have rights.

jafs 6 years, 7 months ago

Generally agreed.

Although they have whatever "rights" we choose to grant them.

I don't think they deserve constitutional rights more appropriately granted to individuals.

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 7 months ago

"The way to understand all of this is to realize that it’s part of a broader syndrome, in which wealthy Americans who benefit hugely from a system rigged in their favor react with hysteria to anyone who points out just how rigged the system is."

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm thinking of stimulating the economy soon by purchasing a new 7.1 receiver. I've had a good few weeks on the market, so it's time for a small treat. Marantz, Sony or Pioneer? Do you guys like Whitney Houston's first CD? It's hard to choose a favorite among so many great tracks, but "The Greatest Love of All" is one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation, dignity. Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it's not too late to better ourselves. Since it's impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial really. And it's beautifully stated on the album.

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 7 months ago

The first sentence was serious. The second sentence was a quote from American Psycho. I was hoping someone would catch it.

You can always make money on the market. It depends on your time horizon, your timing and your risk tolerance. I tend to invest in things that aren't popular with the crowd here but that everyone needs. I particularly like contrarian trades. Two examples that have been trading sideways recently but have done well for me since I purchased in: Ford and BP.

I bought Ford at around $4 when the GM bailout was being negotiated. I figured my risk was low and it was very, very unlikely Ford was going to go away. I sold out enough at around $14 to take my initial investment off the table and the rest is still in the trade. I think the target is $19.

I bought BP during the spill because it was irrationally beaten down. US politicians were throwing around nonsense about nationalizing the company (good luck) but BP makes up a huge portion of British pension funds. It isn't going anywhere and it makes money. That one is a little longer term than I would have liked, but whatever.

Pick a sector and study it. Stick with what works.

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 7 months ago

Good buy! Normally I don't mess with auto stocks but that was too good to pass up.

2hotrob 6 years, 7 months ago

Why is this so hard for people to get? I know we've been lied to for decades, but wake up! The media that is feeding you beliefs are OWNED by the same fraction that OWN your politicians, no matter what party. We're not asking for a hand out, we just want the greed and corruption to end. I don't have a problem with you earning 100 times of what I do, if you are a productive member of the society that creates jobs, pay taxes, a.s.o, I DO however have a problem when you earn 10.000 time of what I do, do not create any jobs, influence the politicians to your benefits, do not pay any taxes, and when you DO screw up, the taxpayers have to pay for it.
Wake up! The whole world is ruled by an oligarchy, and that's why this is a global revolution. Nothing comparable has ever happened.... Unless you are raking in over $ 1.3 million a year, you are the 99% (you could even make more but chose not to contribute to campaigns, you're still with us) Please join our conversation.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 5 months ago

Soon it'll be much more comfortable to take a dump outdoors in public. Start getting enough fiber in your diet now.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 5 months ago

Speaking of occupy frolics: "...Tensions flared between Occupy protesters on Christmas day. The situation got so bad, a NewsChannel 5 videographer had to call police for help. NewsChannel 5's videojournalist was on assignment at Legislative Plaza Sunday covering the holiday celebration, when the angle of the story suddenly changed. Two of the protesters started arguing with each other; one of them was three-months pregnant. Harsh words led to hair pulling and punching, and both of them landed on the ground. While other protesters tried to break up the situation, NewsChannel 5's videographer called 911 for help. Medics rushed to the scene and took the pregnant protester to the hospital to be checked out. Police started investigating the situation, and charges may be filed..."

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