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Incomplete registries of sex offenders highlight monitoring problems

October 3, 2011

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This investigation

• The Journal-World requested the names of all registered sex offenders who had left Kansas since 2006. That’s a total of 688 offenders.

• An initial investigation found that 161 out of those offenders were not registered in the state to which the Kansas registry showed they moved.

• Those 161 offenders were searched in the National Sex Offender Registry Website, which compiles offender registry information from all 50 states, and 113 were not registered anywhere.

A snapshot of offenders whose whereabouts are unknown

Here’s a look at a few of the 113 Kansas registered sex offenders who left the state and couldn’t be located during a Journal-World investigation:

Gregorio Medina, 24

Convicted in Seward County in 2004 on three counts of rape, 13 counts of aggravated indecent liberties with a child, one count of aggravated criminal sodomy and one count of aggravated indecent solicitation of a child. The victim in the case was a 5-year-old girl. Medina was 16 at the time of the crimes, and was charged as a juvenile. Medina was released from state custody in 2007 and is supposed to be registered until 2012. Medina notified Kansas authorities in 2010 he was moving to Oklahoma, though he is not registered on that state’s sex offender registry or any other state registry.

Richard William Ormsby, 31

Convicted in Wyandotte County in 1999 on one count of aggravated indecent liberties with a child. In 2005, Ormsby was also convicted on three counts of rape in the third degree in Oregon, following his release from the Kansas prison system. In 2011, Ormsby, having returned to Kansas, notified Kansas authorities that he was moving to Oklahoma, though he is not on that state’s registry or any other state registry. He is required to register for life.

Brian Todd Minter, 35

Convicted of two counts of sexual battery in Saline County in 2003, though he did not serve any prison time. In 2006, Minter moved from Kansas to Missouri. However, the Missouri sex offender registry lists Minter as living in Kansas. Minter is required to register as a sex offender until 2018.

Joshua Coman, 24

Convicted in Sedgwick County of having sex with a dog for the second time, Coman served six months in jail and was ordered to register as a sex offender until 2033. In 2010, Coman told Kansas authorities he was moving to Minnesota, though he is not listed on that state’s registry or any other state registry.

Eric Soltero, 31

Convicted in California of child molestation in 2004, Soltero moved to Kansas before telling authorities he was moving to Texas in 2008. However, Soltero, who is required to register for life, is not on the Texas offender registry or any other state registry.

Gregorio Medina, 24, was convicted of 19 sex crimes, including raping a 5-year-old Liberal girl multiple times in 2003. Though Medina, 16 at the time of the crimes, was charged as a juvenile, he’s legally required to register as a sex offender until 2012.

But, as with more than 100 other Kansas sex offenders who’ve left the state since 2006, authorities have no idea where Medina is.

An ongoing Journal-World investigation has been tracking offenders like Medina, only to discover they’re slipping through the cracks.

For instance, Medina told Kansas authorities he moved to Oklahoma, where he’d be required to register on that state’s offender registry. Oklahoma, however, has no record of him.

Medina’s case further highlights a large gap in sex offender registries that were designed to help the public and law enforcement keep an eye on dangerous offenders: Sex offenders can simply skip over state lines and fall off law enforcement’s radar.

“All of the states and agencies are struggling with this,” said Staca Urie, deputy director of the case analysis division with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

And authorities seem ready to pass the buck on whose responsibility it is to follow up on offenders who cross state lines.

In Kansas, the Kansas Bureau of Investigation notifies another state when an offender indicates he or she is moving, but there’s no follow-up, said Kyle Smith, deputy director of the KBI.

“It’s up to (the new state and the offender) to” register, Smith said.

Medina was one of 10 offenders who left Kansas and told authorities they were moving to Oklahoma, but none show up on the Oklahoma registry.

While state laws for registered offenders differ, most require offenders who have moved in from another state to register for as long as they were required to in their previous state. For instance, if a sex offender who was required to register for life in Oklahoma moved to Kansas, that offender would be required to register for life in this state. Offenders who move to a new state but fail to register are usually committing three felony offenses — one each from the states, as well as a federal felony.

The Journal-World contacted the Oklahoma Department of Corrections, which monitors that state’s registry, but officials said tracking down those offenders wasn’t their problem.

“Tell the marshals,” said Jerry Massie, a spokesman for the Oklahoma Department of Corrections.

Under federal law, the U.S. Marshals Office has authority to investigate and arrest sex offenders who fail to register when they move to another state.

The marshals do perform “sweeps” across the country, which are concentrated efforts to track down offenders, said Dave Oney, spokesman for the marshals.

But Oney said the marshals, which created a specialized unit in 2007 to track sex offenders, often rely on state authorities to notify them of offenders who should be registered but aren’t.

If the states don’t know an offender has entered their state, and if the state they left doesn’t follow up, the marshals might have no way of knowing. And with the large number of sex offenders moving across state lines, it’s difficult for the marshals to keep up.

“It usually comes down to resources,” Oney said.

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children estimated the number of sex offenders in the country who should be registered at more than 700,000, with about 100,000 unaccounted for.

It all amounts to a registry with a lot of bark, but not much bite, said Mary Evans, a criminal justice doctoral candidate at the University of Nebraska-Omaha.

Evans has studied sex offender registries and found that most are “largely inaccurate” and symbolic in nature.

“We have laws that make us feel us feel good” but aren’t necessarily strictly enforced, she said.

Comments

LadyJ 3 years, 5 months ago

My printed copy of the LJW says there is a complete list of the missing 113 offenders on LJW.com but I don't see it. How about a clue to where it is.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

It is a RIGHT to flee the registry and do whatever what one can do to avoid it.

Why?

Because the ONLY outcome of a registry is the loss of safety and/or security.

You don't really believe you can pass laws under the color of public safety and then strip a person, systematically, of every vestige of community, can't even point to ANY independent sources that says you are actually protecting the community, and expect people to follow your laws, do you?

Of course you do. This is how stupid you are.

You passed the registry ex-post facto, added anyone your wanted, allowed no one to challenge the determination of dangerousness, went outside of sentences and restricted people from the community, and even their own family, and have the only outcomes of harassment, threats, banishment, isolation and fear, and you think you are credible.

Oh, and to let, Shaun know, the 100,000 figure is a fantasy number. It is used by the National Center for Exploited Children in order to spread fear, but they can't back that number up with any hard statistics.

But that doesn't matter how many are missing because it is a RIGHT to flee that registry. I know you can't see it, as no despots can ever see how their actions are illegal, but it is well established that laws that take safety and/or security, have no due process, or forums to challenge are not valid and do not have to be followed.

See, your problem is, you believe you still live in a world where a Jim Crow like law can be found to be legal. You don't.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 5 months ago

Geez, Rudy 101, I thought I was the only one who saw the incredible stupidity of these registry laws. I know for a fact that there are people on these lifetime registries that are either innocent or no threat of any kind. Like the fellow who was mentioned here a few years ago that had sex with his underage girlfriend and is now married to her and they have a family that is harrassed due to his "status" as a "sex offender".

These laws were passed by knee jerk politicians who wanted to grandstand and politicize on this incendary issue, you know, "We are going to make your lives safer, yadadadada. Just how you will be "safer" is unknown to me. So you know the location of an alledged "sex offender", whaddya gonna do now??? Go throw eggs at their house? Attack them on the street? Have they made you safer? Do you feel better knowing that some government list locates persons who may include dangerous es-con offenders mixed with kids who might have made some mistakes in their youth in regard to our terriffic sex laws? Whaddya gonna do now? I would like someone to explain to me just what the disired effect of having these "registries" supposed to be. They must be kept up, and since they require lifetime maintainence, the rolls of membership on these dubious laws will continue to grow and expand. The task of keeping track is almost unmanagable for law enforcement who is supposed to be protecting the public and keeping the rest of us "safe". So whaddya gonna do with all this brouhaha about where the "sex offenders" are located? Anybody got any sensible information on just how these laws are supposed to work and how the citizens are supposed to use them short of committing illegal acts and violence against people that they seem to think should have been drawn and quartered for, well, getting intimate with their same age girlfriends?? Whaddya gonna do?? What about the guy who broke into your house and stole your television and VCR? You gonna give him free pass since he served his 90 days in jail?? Or the drunk who killed your child in a hit and run? Does he get to live in peace without being registered and avialable to citizen vigilantes? Whaddya gonna do, huh?

akt2 3 years, 5 months ago

Personally I don't care what happens to perverts who rape and sodomize kids and animals. Maybe they are dead. Maybe that is why nobody knows where they are. So did they flee the registry or did they get what's coming to them?

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

Akt2 is of the opinion (and he gets complete, unlimited and unfettered access to a registry), that they still need to get "what's coming to them."

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THE REGISTRY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED!

You people really believe that the community can hold court and mete punishment at whim.

HOW DUMB ARE YOU????

mom_of_three 3 years, 5 months ago

while there might be people on that list who are more dangerous than others, it is a law.
Not sure if it has been changed, but for a while, offenders were permitted to live anywhere in Kansas and there was one living across the street from an elementary school.
Myself, as a parent, would like to know if there is a sex offender living down the street from me or next door to a school. Since you can tell the age of the offender and their offense, you can tell if they were a 19 year old with a 16 year old or whatever. I want to tell my kids that this 30 year old was convicted of a crime against an under 14 year old. While it may not be fair to you to have them on a list, as a parent, it definitely makes me feel a little more secure knowing where they are. And those who did not sign up when they move are knowingly committing a felony. that IS their fault.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 5 months ago

And I repeat.......What would you do if you know "where they are"?? What "precautions" would you consider "o.k." if you knew the location of someone on this registry? How would you feel more safe knowing this information??

mom_of_three 3 years, 5 months ago

Well, let's see. I wouldn't let my kids go there unaccompanied. I did a search and found out there was a registered sex offender living near my parents in the country. When my family found out, they were shocked and scared, because they walked by there everyday. Although those on the list may never do anything, I wouldn't want to take the chance with my family, especially letting them go by there unaccompanied.
Then they realized why he seemed so creepy staring out the window.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

I want to make this clear, Mom of three: You don't get to make yourself feel better with a fantasy. Failure to register is NOT a crime. In order for something to be a crime, there MUST be an injury someplace, somehow, somewhere. The idea that you can make up crimes on a theory and a popular vote is the antithesis of a free country.

They also felt better knowing there wasn't any blacks in the neighborhood. What did that do? It created a sub-culture that IS STILL estranged from society, while they criminalized whole swaths of the population.

The same concept applies here. A person who is hounded, feared, and harassed and banished is a MUCH more dangerous person.

Now, I am not saying that under some circumstances where it might be a good idea to do some limited public notification. . However, that has be articulated in a court of law on why and who gets that information and that needs to be done for a specific individual.

The State does not get to wrap up in pretty little packages the people everyone is supposed to hate. It doesn't work that way.

Feeling better is NOT a valid reason to have a registry and to strip people of their safety and/or security.

A felony? HA! It isn't even a crime.

mom_of_three 3 years, 5 months ago

Rudy - dont try to preach history to me. You will lose.

The person perpetrated a sex crime. The law says he has to register because those before him couldn't control themselves.
State telling us who to hate? Get over youself. We read the same info in the newspaper. Its just nice to know where they live.
Strip people of their safety and security - pretty sad excuse when you aren't speaking of the victims who live in fear.
stop protecting those who commit the crimes. There is a reason for the registry. And I use it to make sure my family stays a little safer.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

The laws said he has to register because those before him couldn't control themselves???

What a sad excuse to have a registry.

Punishing others for what others did.

You could care less if the FACTS are, you are making your family MORE dangerous?

Why? Because you get to treat that person in your neighborhood feel like an outcast, and those in other neighborhoods get to treat their outcasts like outcasts.

Outcasts have nothing to lose and will travel to YOUR neighborhood to offend if they so choose, and you will never recognize them because you can't memorize the faces of 1000's of people.

A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY IS ALL YOU ACHIEVE.

It is nice to say you know something about history without saying anything. It shows how knowledgeable you are.

There is no reason behind the registry except to punish. Study after study has demonstrated that people with nothing to lose will act out in ways like they have nothing to lose.

You have done nothing for your argument, except make mine look stronger.

I already said, IF there is a specific person so dangerous the neighbors need to know about his past, THEN use a court of law.

If you can't because all of your dangerous assertions amount to NOTHING? Then don't go around thinking you are doing anything, and don't believe a registry law has to be followed.

Your registry laws stand upon a foundation of sand! They are going to fall, because society can't stop with the laws.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 5 months ago

Rudy, I am not too sure about your statement that failure to register is not a crime. I know of one person on this registery who gets notices about twice a year to come in and re-register and it cost's him $20.0 each time to go to the Douglas County Jail and do this. He has been informed that it IS a violation to fail to register and re-register each time he is required to do so.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

I am talking a little deeper here. I am talking about what freedom is, about limitations on the State, and the ability of the State to criminalize.

The U.S. Constitution was put together the way it was under the belief that ONLY a limited government would be a free government.

Alexander Hamilton said it best:

Nothing is more common than for a free people, in times of heat and violence, to gratify momentary passions by letting into the government principles and precedents which afterwards prove fatal to themselves. Of this kind is the doctrine of disqualification, disfranchisement, and banishment, by acts of legislature. The dangerous consequences of this power are manifest. If the legislature can disfranchise any number of citizens at pleasure by general descriptions, it may soon confine all the votes to a small number of partisans, and establish an aristocracy or an oligarchy. If it may banish at discretion all those whom particular circumstances render obnoxious without hearing or trial, no man can be safe nor know when he may be the innocent victim of a prevailing faction. The name of liberty applied to such a government would be a mockery of common sense.

See, I know it is listed as a crime, but morally and legally, under the U.S. Constitution and International law (because everyone in the world adopted the concept of the U.S.Constitution) these laws ARE illegal, and, by nature of an illegal law, breaking it is not a crime.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

The registries are being set up all over the country. Kansas has the violent, sex and drug registries. Other States have a murder registry, and a meth registry. Registries in the works, are animal cruelty and domestic violence.

America is well on its way to destroying that freedom that took 200 years to come to fruition, AND THEN they go to registries.

Hitler used registries exclusively to catalog, categorize and condemn. Registries have already demonstrated they are so dangerous to freedom and justice.

Everyone in a concentration camp had an I.B.M. punch card that determined why they were there. I believe there were six numbers of 1 to 6.

Jews, homosexuals, Jehovah, gypsies, the lazy, and criminal.

I understand in America, it will be exclusively for the criminal and the State will be, and ARE criminalizing like crazy.

You people don't know what you are doing, and how it will destroy EVERYTHING.

akt2 3 years, 5 months ago

Rudy101 - It sounds to me like you are either an offender or the parent or spouse of one. Perhaps in the future, you or your loved one can keep their pants zipped. Problem solved.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

You will always have simple solutions, and NONE of them will EVER require the following of the, "rule of law."

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

See, almost nobody here will challenge me, except to call me a Jew, or the friend of one.

pachrismith 3 years, 5 months ago

Rudy, if you don't accept man's law, perhaps you should re-read the Bible, especially the part where Christ admonishes people to "Render therefore unto Cæsar the things which are Cæsar's. . . ". If you don't accept God's law, then there are again no moral grounds for your assertions. A community must govern the behaviors of those living within that community and have the right to exclude those who will not abide the will of that community. If the will of the community is counterproductive, as these laws are, you have the responsibility to educate the community, but to openly defy them is going to get you excluded whether by deportation or incarceration - period. Your childish rants are really tiring and I've never read a positive response to your "right to ignore the law".

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

Hey Chris, That right to ignore the law, is well established. You think it doesn't exist. See, you want to compromise and negotiate. That will never happen.

The registry is evolving and is moving toward concentration camps. Or did you miss the article in Florida about, "sex offender village"?

You forgot, Chris that a community can't govern those behaviors of those living within the community BEYOND that which is for everyone.

Do you understand the difference?

When the community wants to govern the behaviors of a certain class of people THAT must be done with a court of law.

And PAchrismith? Excluded? Their exclusion is what will bring down the registry.

It is called, EXILE and it is an ILLEGAL outcome of registry laws.

I don't care about a positive response, I am stating a well established LEGAL FACT!

NO LAW CAN HAVE THE OUTCOME OF THE LOSS OF SAFETY AND/OR SECURITY!

Please don't quote the bible. This isn't about taxes; this is about freedom and RIGHTS!

pachrismith 3 years, 5 months ago

Rudy, your anger has deluded you! These laws have been upheld by the nations highest court. Right or wrong, moral or immoral, they are legal and they are the law! Work to correct them, but your emotional response is turning off the people you need support from.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

No, Chris, I am in this alone, and I know it!

I told you, they can't be corrected UNTIL the court take control.

Sadly that won't be until the U.S. has well destroyed themselves.

You think I am deluded because you are not thinking big enough.

The registry laws are over because I have beaten them. I am asserting my rights and if I am ignored, those in the know KNOWS the consequences.

pachrismith 3 years, 5 months ago

To the rest of you. New York and California, in large scale empirical (experience based) studies, reported that more than 90% of those arrested for sex crimes have no prior convictions for any sex crime. Nine in ten will not be on the registry because you must be convicted to be listed. The twenty-four states from which I was able to find reports show an average of less than 5% of sex offender commit another sex crime within three years of their release. The worst long term report showed fewer than 25% after 25 years. Common sense says watching a group from which so few would commit a sex crime, and which account for fewer than one in ten sex crimes, is a waste of time. Closely watching your child would protect them from ten of ten sex crimes.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

The whole problem with your argument, as rational as it is, is that nobody cares. It doesn't force them to change the laws. They are naming laws for dead children! Under almost every discussion in any forum about the word Meagan is what THAT particular crime is about. This is the emotional heart of the laws, and you are trying to overcome them with rational argument?

I mean, I give it my best shot in every rational argument I can come up with. I know I am going to fail in those arguments. Therefore, Exile is the only option.

Exile has LOTS of political repercussions. More than anyone can see....

mom_of_three 3 years, 5 months ago

and like i said, i am not talking about those who were convicted for having sex with an underage girlfriend. That is a different thing I am talking about. that's always been an odd thing to figure out under the law. But if someone was convicted of a crime against a child, i would not want them moving in next to a school or daycare. And if they were convicted of rape of an adult, why let them move into an apartment building. yeah, they can commit the crimes anywhere, but I would like to know where they are at all times to keep myself safe. I am more concerned with my safety and rights.. so be it.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

See, mom of three? EVERYONE has an interest in being safe. Fundamentally, you can't take one for the other.

You don't get that! You think you have something to stand on, but your own comments shows you don't care about a person's safety or security.

You think because you have a label on them, and that label is a horrible one, THAT gives justification to take away what is in the self-interest of EVERYBODY.

And the reason it is like that, that you can't strip ANYONE of safety or security, it is been learned over and over and over, that all you end up with is MORE danger.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

I stand by my comments: NOBODY HAS TO FOLLOW A REGISTRY LAW, for the reasons I have stated above and for the replies that come from the people who have complete, unlimited, and unfettered access to a registry.

MarcoPogo 3 years, 5 months ago

Okay, it's been ten minutes - would you like to tell us again that you stand behind your comments? People might be unclear about that.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

I don't want to leave ANYONE without a shadow of doubt. I know what I am up against. THOSE people are just concepts to you. For most, the debate, and laws don't matter either way. They could pass a comprehensive law that ends up in incarceration for all on the registry and most wouldn't care.

For some that want the laws, they will use every single emotional argument to get the laws, and if they don't pass the laws legislatures will pay with their jobs or even vote against the laws. If the vote is 99 to 1, that one MUST be worried about his job.

There is no upside to having a rational debate about this for people who are enacting these laws.

All it takes is one attack ad.

I am making the proclamation! The registry is ILLEGAL!

I understand the concept behind the registry. I understand that the State does have a right to track dangerous individuals. But I also understand that justice, fairness and the rule of law DEMANDS DUE PROCESS that is fair, when applying laws like this.

kawrivercrow 3 years, 5 months ago

Does anybody else immediately see the narcissistic and skewed sense of entitlement hidden in Rudy101's posts. So typical of the sex predator mentality...and just one of the many reasons they are not to be trusted.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

Really! Skewed sense of entitlement? The first words of a despot who will do ANYTHING to keep a person out of a courtroom so he can't say anything to defend himself.

That way you can be comfortable with the pasting the label.

You just want a clear path, without obstacles, to the real goal of the registry and that is banishment and re-incarceration.

Your will use misinformation, outright lies, name calling, and anecdotes. But anything real? NO, you have the power, and you think you can use it in any way you want.

WON'T HAPPEN!

You are hardly anyone who's diagnosis mean anything, and are a very real reason why that registry can be avoided in any way possible.

kawrivercrow 3 years, 5 months ago

@ Rudy101: I'll bet that deep down, you blame your victim(s) don't you?

Oh, and yes, re-incarceration is exactly what I want. However, society has agreed, with limitations, to a compromise, and this compromise lets you walk free amongst your victims. However, the public's end of the deal involves letting sex predators feel a little bit of the same sense of insecurity their victims feel. As for a sex predator not getting to defend himself in a court of law...how did he get convicted to begin with?

Here is what you need to accept understand and accept:

We, the public, will never forget that you, the sex predator, made a deliberate and conscious choice to commit the ultimate taboo crime solely for your own vile selfish gratification and without regard for your victim. We will not let you forget that, either. The fact that you can't see the fairness in that reflects the very nature that made you a sex predator.

Frankly, you are really very, very lucky, when you get down to it. Yet, true to the type, you expect more. The irony is palpable.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

WOW, kawrivercrow? You just love to be an analyst don't you?

I am sorry kaw, I don't accept the compromise. But thank you anyway. I was a nice offer, but I decline.

Have you got anything else??

Because I will just go on my happy way thank you and not worry about your laws, or your registry. That way I don't have to feel so, "lucky."

You are really stupid to think you can spew such stuff and think it has crediblity. I laugh at you AND your ideas of the registry.

kawrivercrow 3 years, 5 months ago

"I laugh at you AND your ideas of the registry."

Yes, I believe you believe what you believe...99%. The other 1% of you knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

Believe what? That you are a qualified mental health professional who has anything to say that has meaning???

NO.

BITE ME!

That's your 1% YOU GET NOTHING!

Who do you think you are??? You think you are a vigilante? You think you are someone's judge? You think you can add punishments beyond a court?

You might think you are some of that, but I tell you right now, you can have NONE OF THAT.

It's not your place. You have to understand that.

kawrivercrow 3 years, 5 months ago

No. I am not a vigilante. Thus, I will not kill you, but solely because I honor the law. That is the chief difference between myself and a sex offender, we both know right from wrong, but the sex predator can not control his actions. I can control mine. Thus, I know that unless I am fortunate enough to be within earshot of you during your next sexual assault, the law is not on my side and you are free to walk amongst your victims.

That is what you don't understand.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

You are making one hellava accusation aren't you? It is the downfall of your registry.

You have no idea what you are talking about, or who you are talking to.

But then you don't care, do you? They spoon fed you a little info sprinkled with a lot of misinformation and some outright lies and you think you are an expert on human behavior.

No, your comment above shows you have no idea what the law is; what the registry is about; or who is actually on a registry.

You are a dangerous idiot who has no business even having access to a registry.

kawrivercrow 3 years, 5 months ago

It is entirely possible your deliberate insinuations of personally being a list dodger are melodramatic mindgames and that you are merely playing some psuedo-intellectual devil's-advocate. Regardless of whether I am addressing a real sex predator or just a puppet, the principles are the same and apply to all real sex predators out there as well as any would-be sex-offenders who think a permissive society can be manipulated to their advantage.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

Yeah well, somebody has got to put some sense into this crap. My God, if it isn't stopped, it will destroy any notion that America is a free country.

But you have to understand. I am not advocating for predators, or people to have illegal sex. I am DEMANDING that a court take control and take it out of a legislature's control.

The registry is about FREEDOM. That belongs in a courtroom, where there are protections. It is what makes EVERYONE free.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

It could be, that I am just a person who is not required to be registered, OR I am FLAUNTING your laws. But you are spending so much time on ME, that the issues I raised are being ignored and THOSE are the ones that actually mean something.

See, you believe a person who would advocate for this MUST be a, "predator."

That term, is an extremely inflammatory term, wouldn't you agree? You use it, regardless of whether it is true, but ONLY to attack my credibility.

If I am a predator, does that make my DEMANDS any less, or arguments any less valid?????

What are my demands?

My demands ARE that a courtroom is the ONLY place where a person can be labeled a predator, sex offender, or be let off the registry because he does not pose a danger to society.

So, who I am is meaningless, what my demands are, DO have meaning?

Because no matter what you say, believe, or feel, I have human rights, that NO ONE can take, especially some idiot who thinks he is an armchair psychologist or a legislature who thinks they have human behavior all figured out and therefore there is no need to apply laws through a courtroom.

You have no idea what freedom is, how it can be taken, how we got to freedom and how we can lose it.

Get it???? Your laws don't have to be followed. I am flaunting them, because every single accusation you make, IS meaningless, from a legal standpoint, and yet, you believe that that label is inherent solely because of a conviction and that conviction can rule a person's ability to relate.

It is never been like that. Your laws don't allow things like that, and international law doesn't allow things like that.

Understand? It's not about me. It is about your laws. I am just the one who will bring it down. You just can't see it, and I understand why. But, if you understood freedom even a little bit, you would know that the human spirit will ALWAYS blow these kind of laws to pieces.

All it takes is ONE who can laugh, flaunt, and expose your laws for the fraud they are...

kawrivercrow 3 years, 5 months ago

"I am just the one who will bring it down"

"the human spirit will ALWAYS blow these kind of laws to pieces."

"All it takes is ONE who can laugh, flaunt, and expose your laws for the fraud they are..."

You're getting a little too grandiose there, my little friend. It shows me even more of yourself that you don't want me to see about you. However, I will be happy to work with you on petitioning the public to enact more legislation that keeps sex predators safely behind bars, thus eliminating some of the injustice these poor, downtrodden little human spirits must endure while walking amongst their victims.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

Go petition all you want. You have already lost.

My existence proves that. Nothing you can do about it. So, the natural thing for a person like you to do is try and put MORE laws on, desperately thinking you can legislature or incarcerate your way to credibility.

It doesn't work. I am not talking radical stuff at all. I am saving America, from itself.

Just use what you have. Believe me, it's not going to be the end of the world.... If you don't, it WILL be the end of freedom. That is why I am here.

I don't have to be here. People know who I am, and know, I could ignore this whole thing and go on with my life.

But God knows I wouldn't do that, and that is why I was given what I was given.

leabillings 3 years, 5 months ago

Perhaps someone should point out that not everyone on the registry is guilty of a violent crime against a child. The media glories in spreading the paranoia that there is a predatory pedophile behind every tree waiting to jump out and violate our children. Never mind the fact that most "predators" lurk within the circle of family and friends in the victims own home. I know, my own father molested me for more than 10 years.

Is anyone aware that up to 30% of those on the registry were convicted of "crimes" of exploratory behavior and teen consensual sex? That "Monster" next door may well have been a teenage boy charged and convicted because his girlfriend "sexted" him a "hot pic" of herself, making him guilty of "receiving or downloading CP".

There are a myriad of non-violent, recently criminalized reasons for being on the registry, making something that was started with the best of intentions, into something which at this point is virtually worthless. We as parents are taught to fear the label "s ex offender", but yet not told that our child is more likely to be struck by lightening or, God forbid, to end up on the registry themselves, than to be victimized by a "registered offender" .

pachrismith 3 years, 5 months ago

Rudy just needs a home with soft walls, and happy pills. Most of the rest of you in this conversation could do with a vacation in a similar place. Any discussion of the registry should focus on what needs to be done to advance safety. As stated before, empirical, experience based studies on the effectiveness of community notification are consistently demonstrating no decrease in sex crimes or recidivism. And a few are showing a slight increase in recidivism. If, as other studies find, fewer than one in ten sex crimes are committed by persons on this registry then it is useless to prevent 9 in 10. Focusing on the one, as community notification leads you to do, makes you more vulnerable to the other 9. Just maybe, if you weren't notified about the one, you would watch your children more closely. Don't you think watching your children to protect them from the nine you can't know about will protect them from the one on the registry as well? That's what parents need to know.

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

Chris? I really take exception to that little comment. In fact, you didn't reply to ANYTHING I wrote. The thing is, YOU CHANGE NOTHING. You see injustice, and think it was all just a misunderstanding.

Well, when they are lining up people against the wall for execution, you will be there trying to talk sense into them, right?

You know nothing about me, why I am doing what I am doing and HOW it is going to end the registry.

Even your argument is stupid.

Haven't you read the studies on the effects of the registry on society?

Many kids are being shut into the house because of the registry. Kids, in many homes, can't go and play outdoors.

They are building a society of fear.

Your problem with your conclusions about me, Chris, is you are sure it is untrue.

Read it again, what I said. Read it all and THINK!

Rudy101 3 years, 5 months ago

Why, Chris, can I incite an illegal act, and can get away with it????? Those that DO know who I am, will say, I am just a gnat and to be ignored.

Those will be the people that have a REAL and TRUE hate for me. They are the ones whose whole life purpose is to expose.

...and yet, the don't...

WHY?

Because they are more afraid of me, then I am of them, THAT IS WHY!

GusB 3 years, 5 months ago

Kaw, you are sadly mistaken about the use of these registries, and one of these days you too could be on it. If you break the law, any district court judge now has the authority to sentence anyone to the requirement to register under the Kansas offender registration act. You don't have to commit a violent crime, a drug crime, or a sexually motivated crime. And no one knows what will influence the judges decision. DUI, DWI, shoplifting, fight with your spouse . . . it could be just about anything.

You don't have to believe me, just look up the law on the governments own website. It is currently available at http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2011_12/year1/.../sb37_enrolled.pdf

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