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Kansas football rebounding again

Kansas head coach Turner Gill walks off the field after falling to Texas A&M, 61-7, Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011 at Kyle Stadium in College Station, Texas.

Kansas head coach Turner Gill walks off the field after falling to Texas A&M, 61-7, Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011 at Kyle Stadium in College Station, Texas.

November 21, 2011


Say what you will about Kansas University football coach Turner Gill’s two seasons at KU, but it’s hard to dispute that Gill has become highly skilled at putting blowout losses in the past and moving on to the next game.

As the saying goes, practice makes perfect.

In 23 games as the head coach at Kansas, Gill has had 18 opportunities to show his resolve after a loss. Though some setbacks have been tougher than others to move on from — 10 of KU’s 18 losses during the past two seasons have come by 30 or more points — Gill, without fail, has emerged from the locker room following each loss with the same message.

“The question, as we all know, is how do you handle adversity?” Gill said again on Saturday after KU’s 61-7 loss at Texas A&M.; “We’ve had some ups and downs during the season, and now we have an opportunity to see how we handle this. Our guys will continue to go to work, our coaches and our players.”

Few bounce-back opportunities have set up as well as the one that lies ahead for the Jayhawks, who will play arch-rival Missouri at 2:30 p.m. Saturday in the season finale at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, Mo. In addition to being an intense rivalry game played in an NFL stadium, this year’s match-up could be the last ever in the bad-blood history of the Border War.

With Mizzou leaving the Big 12 for the SEC in the near future, at least a portion of the Jayhawks’ focus this week will be on handing the Tigers a loss in what’s likely to be their last Big 12 Conference game.

“Since we’re not going to a bowl game, I guess we’ll go in and look at this as being our bowl game,” KU junior cornerback Greg Brown said of the match-up with Mizzou. “We’re not gonna be playing them again, and we haven’t won against them the last few times. But going out there against them this time and getting this win would definitely be big for our team.”

Added Gill of potentially playing the Tigers for the last time: “I think it is what it is. Our guys know about it. I’m not going to have to mention it every single day or anything of that nature. But we all know what the significance of it is, and we’ll be ready to play.”

Gill, who could be coaching his final game at KU this weekend, said he thought his team still was fighting.

“Frustration,” he said. “But nobody has quit.”

Not all of the Jayhawks were so sure. Senior co-captain Steven Johnson, who will be playing the final game of his Kansas career when the Jayhawks (2-9 overall, 0-8 Big 12) take on Missouri (6-5, 4-4), only could speak for himself when asked if he thought his teammates had quit on the season.

“I don’t know. I hope not,” he said. “They’ve all been given an opportunity to play Div. I football, and if an individual is given an opportunity to play Div. I football, they have pride and self-awareness about what’s going on and things like that. … We’ve got one game left and we’re trying to make the best of it.”

Patmon to play

Gill said Sunday night that sophomore cornerback Tyler Patmon, who missed the A&M; game to serve a one-game suspension for violating team rules, would play against the Tigers.

In addition, seniors Jeremiah Hatch (center) and Tim Biere (tight end) both were listed as questionable. Hatch started at A&M; but came out late in the second quarter. Biere went through warm-ups but did not play in the loss to the Aggies.


smithy 6 years, 5 months ago

Though I support the players and always want them to play well and represent themselves, their school and families with pride, I must admit that I believe they are extremely limited by inadequate coaching, especially from the head coach and the coordinators. We have endured two years of watching our team being outcoached and not prepared to play with the teams on our schedule. There are occasions where a team will simply be outmanned and the only alternative we have is to tip out hat to them and move on to the next game. However, when we have players not positioned correctly and/or communicating as to who has what responsibilities in coverage, that falls directly on the coaches. If there had been glimmers of hope along the way, I would be patient and give Coach Gill time to get it done. However, I have absolutely no confidence that he has a clue as to how to coach at the D-1 level. Standing with your arms crossed while the sky is falling around you is not demonstrating leadership, it is demonstrating an "I have no idea what to do" attitude. Some moneyed people simply have to step forward and provide the funds to buy him out and send him on his way.

LTownBaby 6 years, 5 months ago

It says a lot when only one of Gill's players is doing all the talking about the players believeing in their coach! Especially coming from a kid who hasn't played under previous coaches. "He gave me playing time so I believe in him" -Steven Johnson

somebodynew 6 years, 5 months ago

OK. Who stole smitty and where did you put her?????

Very good post, smitty. And, Good Morning.

newmedia 6 years, 5 months ago

+1 Coaches may have short memories but the alums and fans don't and by and large they pay the freight.

crshook 6 years, 5 months ago

I agree. He doesn't prepare his teams... Hire Mike Leach man! If you don't get him, get that defensive coach from south florida.. It would be a treat to get both... Also ask the students of ku if they want to win and have a quirky coach or lose by 60 every game and have a nice coach.... Just sayin.!?!?!?!?!

rtwngr 6 years, 5 months ago

I would be willing to bet that the lights will not be out at Arrowhead Stadium, after the Mizzou game, when the announcement is made that Turner Gill has been let go. Any takers?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 5 months ago

If you hover near the bottom most of the time, rebounding comes pretty easy.

Ronnie24 6 years, 5 months ago

I belive Gill needs to be given another year or two. He has been coaching with another coaches players. Gill has been recruting his own players, and they should be given a chance to play with their coach. Its hard to take someone else's chosen and make them yours. I say give him a chance with "his" players.

Jayhawk1958 6 years, 5 months ago

And how long of a "chance" are you willing to give him? I don't think we can take another "chance" on him based on how he has ruined the program the last two years.

drnater 6 years, 5 months ago

Well do you expect a load of freshmen and a handful of sophomores to take this team to a bowl game against 7 ranked teams? Even A&M was picked by some to win the Big 12. Does nobody remember at the beginning of the season saying this team could be a lot better than last year but will have about the same record? The Big 12 schedule has never been tougher, give the guy at least one more year. Coach K had a losing record after his first few years at Duke, and look what happened. He's now the winningest coach in college bball history! Not saying they're the same coach, but give the guy 3 years minimum, if not your gonna scare more coaches away than you'll bring in. Win now or get canned isnt how you build a program.

oldvet 6 years, 5 months ago

When you have a highly-paid employee who is not cutting it for two years, you let them go and get someone who can and will do the job.

Mark Mangino took Terry Allen's leftovers to a bowl game in his second season at Kansas.

JayhawkFan1985 6 years, 5 months ago

After receiving $4m in total compensation maybe Gill should offer to work for $1 for a year if he is to get a shot at a third season. Most of us won't earn $4m in a lifetime. This isn't sour grapes. I just think we should expect to have at least a handful of conference wins by the end of a coaches second season.

Jayhawk1958 6 years, 5 months ago

"But we all know what the significance of it is, and we’ll be ready to play.”

Well Turner you just said right after the A&M game that you didn't have them ready to play. Which is it?

irvan moore 6 years, 5 months ago

if zenger could fire gill and hire leech he would be the king of athletic directors in my book

tolawdjk 6 years, 5 months ago

in order to rebound, something that went down must have come up. A solid kicking game does not constitute a "rebound". Losing by 50+ is not improvement.

crshook 6 years, 5 months ago

All of that is false. It's amazing that it all came out in the same year... Mike Leach had no chance of winning that battle against sportscenter and all the media

anon1958 6 years, 5 months ago

Hiring a multimillion dollar coach and expecting the KU football program to turn around makes about as much sense as hiring Richard Petty to drive your grandad's 95 Oldsmobile and expecting to do well in NASCAR next year.

KU really needs to drop down to a lower division for football. It just doesnt make any economic sense to pretend they can play at the highest level.

Jayhawk1963 6 years, 5 months ago

That makes NO sense at all !!! If KU were to drop down to a lower division in football, they would have to drop OUT of the Big 12 conference.

anon1958 6 years, 5 months ago

The Big 12 doesnt make any sense anymore anyway, and as soon as Texas, OU and OSU wise up and realign the Big 12 wont be making any money either.

How many millions have been spent on the KU football program in the last decade? You think that makes any sense? The KU football program is a never ending money pit.

Does anyone really think that spending millions of dollars more on the KU football team for 5 or 10 more years will elevate the team to a point to pay off the money thrown away so far???

Terry Sexton 6 years, 5 months ago

There's your problem. The football team keeps rebounding. Wrong sport entirely.

crshook 6 years, 5 months ago

Also, if I understand Mike Leach correctly he will want to come to a big 12 school to beat texas tech. that technicly leaves us and west virginia if they fire their coach

crshook 6 years, 5 months ago

Agreed. And he's had to "rebound" way to much.

fu7il3 6 years, 5 months ago

At what point do you just outright say that they apparently handle adversity by consistently losing?

They've been rebounding all season. They just aren't any good.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 5 months ago

And you'll be applying to be his defensive coordinator and heir apparent, right? (the showers will be your private domain, though-- be sure to get it in the contract.)

Gregory Newman 6 years, 5 months ago

same o same o players are slow and not strong a little better technique would help but they are garbage. If the next coach isn't Jesus the Christ? Stick a fork in em they're done

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