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Group eyes ‘pay as you throw’ system

John Harjo pushes a trash bin while members of the city's Solid Waste Task Force observe, Tuesday, May 17, 2011. The task force took a tour to learn more about of Lawrence trash and recycling operations.

John Harjo pushes a trash bin while members of the city's Solid Waste Task Force observe, Tuesday, May 17, 2011. The task force took a tour to learn more about of Lawrence trash and recycling operations.

November 17, 2011

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If you regularly set out a lot of trash at the curb, you should be charged more for trash service than your neighbor who normally doesn’t set out much trash.

The city’s Solid Waste Task Force agreed Wednesday that the Lawrence City Commission ought to adopt that principle when it discusses overhauling the city’s trash service next year.

The city-appointed advisory board also agreed to study how Boise, Idaho, and Gainesville, Fla., have implemented such “pay as you throw” systems in order to give local leaders some ideas on what may work in Lawrence.

“I think this is something we really have to look at,” said Daniel Poull, a member of the task force. “We have seen a lot of evidence that we can increase our recycling rate by implementing variable rate pricing.”

The task force also drove home one other point on Wednesday: Residents who are eager to find out how much all of this will cost need to be patient. The task force isn’t going to try to guess on prices. Instead, the group is advocating that the city go out for bid — getting prices from private companies and the city’s own solid waste division — once the city knows exactly what type of trash and curbside recycling system it wants.

“Our recommendation should be for the City Commission to put it out for bid and see what the prices are,” said Mayor Aron Cromwell, who is chairman of the task force. “If it comes back that we have to increase rates by $8 a month or something like that, there is no way I could support that, and I don’t think any other commissioners would either.”

The city currently charges about $15 a month for its trash service, which does not include any type of curbside recycling service. Cromwell said Wednesday that he believes any new system that would include curbside recycling would be at or below $20 per month.

But with the idea of “variable rate pricing systems,” different residents could be charged different rates depending on what type of trash generator they are. The task force showed no interest in weighing the amount of trash people set out, but they were interested in how both Boise and Gainesville charge their residents.

In Boise, all residents receive a 96-gallon plastic trash cart and pay $13.80 a month for service that includes both regular trash service and curbside recycling service. If a household can get by with one of the city’s smaller carts, the monthly bill is reduced by $1. If a household chooses not to participate in the curbside recycling program, its monthly bill is increased by $4. Boise officials estimate about 96 percent of households use the curbside recycling program.

If a household occasionally has more trash than it can fit into a 96-gallon container, each household is given five stickers that can be placed on trash bags that can be set out at the curb. If a trash bag has a sticker, it will be picked up. If it doesn’t have a sticker, it won’t. Residents also can buy additional stickers.

The city also controls its costs by using trucks that are much more automated than the ones used in Lawrence. Most of Boise’s trucks use a one-person crew instead of the three-person crews often used in Lawrence.

In Gainesville, residents pay anywhere from about $15 per month to $30 per month depending on what size of cart a household chooses to use. If a household has more trash than it can fit into its cart, it can buy five specially-marked trash bags for $11.25. Gainesville’s system includes a curbside recycling program that is included in all household rates.

Gainesville also primarily operates with a fleet of trucks that operates with a one-person crew instead of a three-person crew.

The task force plans to discuss both systems in more detail at its Dec. 12 meeting. Not all task force members are on board with the idea of the variable pricing system. Two of the 10 members voted against the recommendation.

“I’m just not convinced that it is workable,” said Christine Tomlin, a task force member. “I’m not convinced that my neighbors aren’t going to have bags of garbage piled up in their backyards.”

City commissioners ultimately will make any final determination about changes to the city’s trash system. A date hasn’t been set for commissioners to begin their debate on the subject, but the task force is expected to work at least through January.

City reporter Chad Lawhorn can be reached at 832-6362. Follow him at Twitter.com/clawhorn_ljw.

Comments

Cant_have_it_both_ways 2 years, 5 months ago

Lets see, by your logic, those who use the empT should pay more, because they use more. Estimates on cost were upwards of $9 per ride. The taxpayer gets $8 or less of that and the transportation leech gets to pay a whopping dollar.

How about a pay as you ride system?

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

The only people who pay more are the largest users. Perhaps some of these folks will shop smarter and will ask themselves how smart is it to pay extra for creating more trash.

Perhaps PAYT would encourage a less wasteful lifestyle for those who live such.

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bearded_gnome 2 years, 5 months ago

yet another problem with the "pay as you throw" system:

it unduely punishes people who generate more trash.

some people who generate more trash do so because of health conditions or disability. these people also often have limited fixed incomes. does our city really wish to hit these people harder?

do we also wish to punish those who generate more trash because of: work; having teens; or efforts to improve their own homes or lots?

I think not.

thank you for reading.

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bearded_gnome 2 years, 5 months ago

Poull's comment and posters above echo this: this is to increase our costs and to change our behaviors.

please city: do not change!!!!!

we recycle aluminum and are glad to. but there is investment of space time and energy to dothis. we do not need busybody government taking over yet more of our personal time/energy/space for a greenie agenda.
this is indeed another form of taxation, though not in actual dollars. stop it now.

thank you for reading.

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JackMcKee 2 years, 5 months ago

Between Brownback in Topeka and Cromwell in Lawrence I'm not sure how Lawrence is gonna come out of this period intact. Equally bad leaders on opposite ends of the political spectrum. Leave the trash alone. It works.

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ljwhirled 2 years, 5 months ago

Look at your Westar bill.

You see the $16 "customer charge"?

That is how much it costs to send you the bill, follow up with late bills, shut off service for non-paying customers, read the meters, etc, etc.

The same will be true of pay-as-you-go. It will cost more money to track usage, deal with forged stickers, etc, etc.

Just leave it as is. It works, don't try to fix it.

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ljwhirled 2 years, 5 months ago

It ain't broke.

Don't fix it.

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George Lippencott 2 years, 5 months ago

By the by, there are many variants on PAYT. It seems premature to vote to recommend it without defining the loca PROGRAM AND associated costs. What have we created in this committee?? Perhaps we should start over with people who do not have recommendations without details as to what they are.

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atiopatioo 2 years, 5 months ago

Remember. Before throwing your trash along the road in the country, make sure there isn't any mail with your address in it. Scratch the addresses off first.

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independent_rebel 2 years, 5 months ago

Now I know what it feels like to be Merrill. Sorry for all the pastes, but too many on this topic are claiming PAYT is nothing but a dreamy, kumbaya way of dealing with trash.

Lawrence is the exact type of community that would be harmed by PAYT.

Don't mess with our trash system. It works fine.

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independent_rebel 2 years, 5 months ago

Remember, when people throw something, "away," there is no "away." Garbage goes somewhere or ends up somewhere else...not simply, "away." PAYT merely shifts responsibility and costs to others and negative externalities are rarely reflected in PAYT analyses. There exists this circus clown-like false notion that PAYT fees collected result in a tax reduction. (A Knee-slapper, if there ever was one)

http://www.nhinsider.com/richard-olson-jr/2010/9/4/pay-as-you-throw-programs-a-contemporary-sham.html

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independent_rebel 2 years, 5 months ago

The Seattle Stomp. The practice of compacting or "stomping" on ones trash in pay-as-you-throw communities, to increase the volume of garbage in a single bag so as to decrease the number of bags one must pay for to dispose of. The Seattle Stomp was so-named because Seattle Washington was one of the nation's first communities to implement a pay-as-you-throw program and Seattle residents responded to an early unit-pricing program by compacting garbage into fewer bags. This happens in every community that implements PAYT without exception.

Illegal dumping When Charlottesville, Virginia, began charging eighty cents per 32-gallon bag of residential garbage collected at the curb, it should come as no surprise that people responded to PAYT prices as they do all other prices: they do or consume less of it. (Fullerton and Kinnaman) A marked increase in trash burning and illegal dumping took place.

Disproportionality. Others argue that PAYT programs wrongly penalize large families, some elderly and families with infants. A large family with three or more children will have a significantly higher trash cost than other families in other communities. Families with newborn infants will often have a higher trash costs because of disposable diapers. Finally, PAYT programs often significantly affect the elderly on a fixed income where they must sometimes go without one essential item to have another.

Ancillary Costs. How much does it cost to send out a truck of municipal workers to various remote sites around a city, to pick up illegally dumped trash? How much does it cost a property owner to clean up his or her property when people illegally dump? How much time and energy will a property owner spend cleaning up after tenants who refuse to make PAYT a priority in the household expenses? How much cost will a business using dumpsters incur by increases caused by illegal use? Illegal Dumpster use is already a problem in many communities that do not have PAYT. Churches, grocery stores, restaurants, and hospitals are often targets of illegal dumpster use. What about Parks? Park maintenance will see a spike in costs as workers will be forced to empty trash receptacles used by those who seek to evade PAYT. PAYT don't include these costs in their promotion of PAYT programs.

PAYT programs only work in a limited variety of circumstances and communities. PAYT is no standard-bearer for efficient waste disposal and reduction of landfills. The incremental benefit of trash unit pricing is small the social benefit does not cover the administrative cost.

http://www.nhinsider.com/richard-olson-jr/2010/9/4/pay-as-you-throw-programs-a-contemporary-sham.html

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independent_rebel 2 years, 5 months ago

"Pay-As-You-Throw," programs have enjoyed nominal success in some communities but has otherwise been an abysmal failure in others. Proponents and Advocates of PAYT dismiss the contention that PAYT will fail in some communities. Often times, PAYT programs are nothing more than creative cost-shifting measures for lazy community officials to avoid dealing with their own trash disposal challenges. Nevertheless, there is one constant in all PAYT programs...Great pains are taken to conceal the negative externalities of these programs. From the EPA right down to the local city government official, more often than not, the "paid trash hack" will not be candid.

Supporters always tell us PAYT gives residents an economic incentive to recycle. Skumatz Economic Research Associates, a waste-consulting concern in Superior, Colo., estimates that PAYT programs lead to a 17% reduction in the flow of residential waste to incinerators and landfills... "Every analysis shows that this is a very cost-effective thing to do," says Lisa Skumatz, the firm's principal. That is not really true, though. The cost shifts, not reduces.

While households might reduce the number of bags, they typically do not necessarily reduce the actual weight of their household garbage. By employing the old, "Seattle Stomp," residents will reduce their garbage costs. The weight of recycling, only nominally increases because many were already participating in voluntary recycling programs before PAYT began. Increased illegal dumping now becomes an issue, not only for the PAYT-employing community, but also for the other communities that surround it.

http://www.nhinsider.com/richard-olson-jr/2010/9/4/pay-as-you-throw-programs-a-contemporary-sham.html

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independent_rebel 2 years, 5 months ago

PAYT would be a disaster in this community. We are a college town, we are filled to the brim with apartments, we have a growing senior population, and we have easy access to rural area where increased illegal dumping is a given. Here is one economist's view after studying the facts:

"PAYT is most effective in small cities and suburban areas but has not worked so well in densely populated urban areas where apartment dwellers use chutes and dumpsters for their normal disposal (and might easily use vacant lots for everything else). PAYT is also not as well-suited to very rural areas where illicit dump sites are similarly easy to find. In general, it is most feasible where we can measure and monitor individual households' weekly trash and recycling.

"Tampering with that notion can be tricky in communities that switch to PAYT. Illegal dumping has cropped up in about 20% of such communities, according to a 2006 U.S. Environmental Protection Agency report. Local officials also complain about variations of the so-called Seattle stomp (named after one of the first PAYT cities), where homeowners try to beat the system by compacting huge amounts of trash into a single can or bag." "We find that households reduced the number of bags, but not necessarily the actual weight of their garbage. Thus households stomped on their garbage to reduce their costs. They also increased the weight of recycling, and they might have increased illegal dumping. The reduction in weight of garbage at the curb is 14 percent. If we account for the amount of illegal dumping, using our lower estimate, then the true reduction in garbage is only 10 percent. Recycling increased by 16 percent. Many in Charlottesville were already participating in the voluntary recycling program before unit pricing began. Thus the incremental benefit of unit pricing is small. In our simple comparison, this social benefit does not cover the administrative cost."

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/07/trash-talk.html

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George Lippencott 2 years, 5 months ago

What about Apartment complexes? We keep talking about recycling as if residential is the only trash generator?

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oneeye_wilbur 2 years, 5 months ago

Mayor Cramwell believes that the trash fee would maybe me like $20 or less.

Well, Mr. Cramwell, I do in fact believe I do not want your curbside recyling nor do I want pay as you throw because more stuff will end up in dumpsters which are accordingly being charged more already.

Please Mayor Cramwell. PIck a new topic as this if implemented will be again another experiment just as USD 497 has been doing since the mid '70s. More on that later.

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oneeye_wilbur 2 years, 5 months ago

Mayor Cramwell believes that the trash fee would maybe me like $20 or less.

Well, Mr. Cramwell, I do in fact believe I do not want your curbside recyling nor do I want pay as you throw because more stuff will end up in dumpsters which are accordingly being charged more already.

Please Mayor Cramwell. PIck a new topic as this if implemented will be again another experiment just as USD 497 has been doing since the mid '70s. More on that later.

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oneeye_wilbur 2 years, 5 months ago

Mayor Cramwell believes that the trash fee would maybe me like $20 or less.

Well, Mr. Cramwell, I do in fact believe I do not want your curbside recyling nor do I want pay as you throw because more stuff will end up in dumpsters which are accordingly being charged more already.

Please Mayor Cramwell. PIck a new topic as this if implemented will be again another experiment just as USD 497 has been doing since the mid '70s. More on that later.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

Pay-As-You-Throw

In communities with pay-as-you-throw programs (also known as unit pricing or variable-rate pricing), residents are charged for the collection of municipal solid waste—ordinary household trash—based on the amount they throw away. This creates a direct economic incentive to recycle more and to generate less waste.

Traditionally, residents pay for waste collection through property taxes or a fixed fee, regardless of how much—or how little—trash they generate. Pay-As-You-throw (PAYT) breaks with tradition by treating trash services just like electricity, gas, and other utilities. Households pay a variable rate depending on the amount of service they use. Environment/Equity/Economy

Most communities with PAYT charge residents a fee for each bag or can of waste they generate. In a small number of communities, residents are billed based on the weight of their trash. Either way, these programs are simple and fair. The less individuals throw away, the less they pay.

EPA supports this new approach to solid waste management because it encompasses three interrelated components that are key to successful community programs:

  1. Environmental Sustainability - Communities with programs in place have reported significant increases in recycling and reductions in waste, due primarily to the waste reduction incentive created by PAYT. Less waste and more recycling mean that fewer natural resources need to be extracted. In addition, greenhouse gas emissions associated with the manufacture, distribution, use, and subsequent disposal of products are reduced as a result of the increased recycling and waste reduction PAYT encourages.

In this way, PAYT helps slow the buildup of greenhouse gases in the Earth's atmosphere which leads to global climate change. For more information on the link between solid waste and global climate change, go to EPA's Climate Change Web site.

2. Economic Sustainability - PAYT is an effective tool for communities struggling to cope with soaring municipal solid waste management expenses. Well-designed programs generate the revenues communities need to cover their solid waste costs, including the costs of such complementary programs as recycling and composting. Residents benefit, too, because they have the opportunity to take control of their trash bills.

3. Equity - One of the most important advantages of a variable-rate program may be its inherent fairness. When the cost of managing trash is hidden in taxes or charged at a flat rate, residents who recycle and prevent waste subsidize their neighbors' wastefulness. Under PAYT, residents pay only for what they throw away.

EPA believes that the most successful programs bring these components together through a process of careful consideration and planning.

http://www.epa.gov/osw/conserve/tools/payt/

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Cant_have_it_both_ways 2 years, 5 months ago

It is sure great when this support YOUR personal agenda at some elses expense. The argument that those who produce more should pay more, how about those who produce nothing to support the tax base demanding more from those who do?

Gimme, gimme, gimme. This trash crap is another way for those who support it to demand that others pay for the service when they too, benefit from it. It is not my fault you choose not to provide your own transportation (EmpT), or buy your own books, thus support the taxbase (Library). Many of you do not support building or maintaining the roads but we all have to pay for it. I guess it is different when you dont want to cross-level the costs of the waste disposal system.

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irvan moore 2 years, 5 months ago

i'm getting confused, is cromwell the trash czar or the library/parking garage czar or the homeless shelter czar?

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optimist 2 years, 5 months ago

I personally like the system the way it is. Why do some feel the incessant need to fix what isn't broken. Whatever happened to public servants actually serving the needs of the community as they are rather than forcing the community to bend to the demands of a small number on the fringe (read recycling Nazis). I don't want to make a career of complying with someone else’s idea of civic duty. I want to throw out what I want, recycle what I want and go about my business. I don't want to be forced to go buy stamps to throw away my garbage. If I'm going to buy stamps maybe I'll just mail my garbage to City Hall. I can save the post office at the same time.

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years, 5 months ago

Liberals do not like paying for stuff. This will never work. The neighbors of Liberals would start finding extra garbage stacked next to their own.

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hipper_than_hip 2 years, 5 months ago

Let's build a trash burner and sell the excess power back to Westar. We can extend the life of the landfill and show the world how green we are.

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ibroke 2 years, 5 months ago

sure you can put out a small amount but you have to clear that with the block area trash leadership group so you have to sign a form that you will not complain about other neighbors having more trash then you

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peartree 2 years, 5 months ago

It is my understanding that liability insurance for our trash collection workers is significantly higher than any other city employee, including police and emergency personnel. This is directly tied to the injury incurred by not using automated trash trucks. I would like to see an article written from the perspective of the workers who have the most thankless job in town.

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demonfury 2 years, 5 months ago

I guarantee you that if this is forced upon me, there will never be a trash pick up at my house ever again. I will take all of my trash, in black plastic bags that I buy from Walmart, to any one of the 3 city parks that I pass everyday on my way to work and dump it there. I imagine that the amount of illegal dumping will increase exponentially when this is crammed down out throats. Good luck trying make this work.

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bobberboy 2 years, 5 months ago

P.S. After awile we won't get anymore services - but we'll be paying them anyway !

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bobberboy 2 years, 5 months ago

Why is it that people don't seem to be able to afford the same services they once could ? Is someone being overpaid ?

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ssteve1 2 years, 5 months ago

Cool! So, since I only set out a small amount I can expect my bill to DECREASE!

Isn't that funny? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. I just LOVE this city's government!!

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fu7il3 2 years, 5 months ago

The problem is that the people who are going to end up paying the most will be families with young children who are already facing the biggest drains on their income and bills anyway.

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Cant_have_it_both_ways 2 years, 5 months ago

Greenies say, "I don't throw away much trash, so why should I have to pay for those who do"? Seems it is just fine when these loudmouths want a new library, more mass transit, a freekin depot and other things that benefit them overall. How selfish of you!

It is just fine to cross-level the costs for the empT to the taxpayer, but how dare you charge me full price for not using the public funded trash service. Get a job and mind your own business.

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shamrock 2 years, 5 months ago

KC MO's has a pay as you throw trash service and I don't see trash piling up anywhere. The service is funded from general tax dollars and (according to the kcmo city website) costs $7 less per month than the national average. They allow 2 bags of trash (50 lb per bag) per household and give out a free recycling bin with no limit on the amount of recycling picked up (but do not pick up glass). If your recycling bin is full you can just set out the rest in a cardboard box. Trash tags can be bought for extra bags of trash.

If Lawrence chooses to do a pay as you throw system, they need to have city recycling pick up or everyone is going to go over the limit. Since we started recycling we have less than a kitchen sized bag of trash every week (there's only two of us though).

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valgrlku 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm curious as to how this would impact those of us with dumpsters. Did I miss that in the article? Our alley is a mixed lot - some have dumpsters and some have trash cans. What regularly happens is that those with trash cans use our dumpsters for their overflow (one neighbor in particular who uses it for copious amounts of yard debris including leaves, as well). This hasn't been an issue to date (maybe around moving time), but I could see it becoming one, if people could be charged extra for exceeding their trash allotment.

The City is supposed to empty them twice a week, but on several occasions, I have witnessed the workers take a look into the dumpster, decide it's "not full enough," and drive on by. It was pretty gross during the dog days of summer... What would happen during move-out/in times, during the summer, when the curbs are overflowing with trash? Would the old tenants or the new ones be charged for the excess? Just some questions to consider.

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RogueThrill 2 years, 5 months ago

I don't see what all the uproar is about. The people who complain about this routinely complain about the lack of personal responsibility and the government giving handouts. Well, be responsible for your waste generation and stop expecting others who are more responsible to pick up the slack for your wastefulness.

I recycle everything. Leaves are mulched back into the lawn, everything you can single stream with those defenbaugh containers goes into one bag, everything else goes to Wal-Mart. Food waste is composted. I generate one or two bags of non recyclable food containers every month and since I have started using the big, wheeled trash containers (January) I have only had to put it on the curb three times.

That doesn't make me better than my neighbor that puts it out plus some every Tuesday, but it does mean he shares more of the burden or disposing of waste and maintaining a landfill.

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oletimer 2 years, 5 months ago

cromwell has had a blank check from deffenbaugh waiting for him ever since he wanted private contractors for the city. Only problem is he is the only one on the bandwagon. Be very careful about this trash deal Lawrence. If cromwell gets his way and deffenbaugh gets the contract, within a year you will be paying a lot more for the service, and Lawrence unemployment will be up. Your system works fine. Leave it alone.

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woodscolt 2 years, 5 months ago

Or, a better way to put it: Those who don't waste so much shouldn't have to pay for those who do. However, I can just see the trash people out there calculating every stop to the gram.
It might spike trash compactor sales in larryville..

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Kendall Simmons 2 years, 5 months ago

Well, at least people, particularly seniors, aren't complaining about having to wheel out those new large trash containers. I get soooo tired of that.

Why? Because I'm a "senior citizen" myself, and my husband and I rent one of those trash containers already from the city...and it is absolutely wonderful!!! Fellow seniors ought to try to roll one of the darned things before complaining about how hard it will be.

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tsmjcc 2 years, 5 months ago

As you can see in the picture that is a common sight to see that many city workers standing in one spot watching one man work.lay those lazy workers off leave trash issues alone we pay enough.and yes lawrence stop holding comptons hand this is lawrence ,not comptonville thank god!!

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Marcy McGuffie 2 years, 5 months ago

Ugh - here we go again. It would be nice if this city decided to leave well enough alone...for once.

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Les Blevins 2 years, 5 months ago

As long as the message the city puts out is that trash is something you residents will have pay to have hauled away the social, economic and environmental problems will remain no matter what we do. As soon as the city opts to change that and puts out the message that if you folks will kindly donate your trash to the city we will collect it and convert it into heat and power for city facilities and into biofuels for our trash trucks and city busses so that we can improve efficiency and keep our collection rates low and so our residents and businesses won't have to pay nearly as much for their water and sewer services and for underwriting other city services. But knowing how this city operates I look for the pay-as-you-throw or some other ill advised maneuver to be enacted and for illegal dumping in dumpsters and streets and alleys and out in the county to skyrocket because the people are already fed up with government waste and corruption and won't like pay-as-you-throw or out of town firms getting their foot in our doors.

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Christine Pennewell Davis 2 years, 5 months ago

one man trash trucks means people laid off and work comp out the ying yang, has the city not paid attention to the way people drive? one guy jumping in and out of the truck plus grabing the can/bags of trash is just an accident in the making.

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chzypoof1 2 years, 5 months ago

I love me some social engineering. And forced "recycling" is a great idea! Forced health insurance is a great idea too, isn't it?

I'm sure there are a few other things the city can mandate while they are at it:

  • Library fees, even if you don't use the library
  • More taxes to subsidize Compton's projects
  • A Rec center that the rich people need on the west side

So much MORE of my $$$ can go to the city, forcibly. Man I love this town!!!

poof

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Keith Richards 2 years, 5 months ago

My biggest issue with this type of proposal is the extremely large amount of renters, especially college aged ones. I have neighbors that routinely set out 5-6 bins of trash each week. No way these guys will will pay for extra bags to dispose of their trash. It will probably pile up outside their garage or end up in a neighbors trash can.

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infidel 2 years, 5 months ago

This is not a good idea, illegal dumping will increase especially in the rural areas of the county and in the business dumpsters. I don't see any issues in my neighborhood, once in a while someone cleans out their basement or garage and sets out a lot of trash (myself included). I will not be paying more for it to be picked up, I would just find and alternative solution for disposal.

I suppose we could burn it in our back yard barrels in town, that would be nice addition to town, lots of people burning trash in the back yard, (with free permits from the fire department of course), the smells could be amazing.

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KS 2 years, 5 months ago

One man operated trucks? Here comes more unemployment.

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ibroke 2 years, 5 months ago

sounds like everybody should put out their fare share! people should be be turned in if found to be setting out more than the area neighbors, maybe there should be a neighborhood meetings to stop trash envy and maybe set a limit of trash they can set out!!!and if a neighbor has a little more to set out they should adjust the amount throughout the block so everybody is happy,,,we want trash equality and trash awareness

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sustainabilitysister 2 years, 5 months ago

I've lived in a California community that used the pay as you throw system and it was fabulous! We paid for special colored light blue trash bags and when you were ready for it to be picked up you'd place it out on the curb on your trash day. As for recycling services, we have to look at the long term goal. This is to get more people recycling, and less recycled material in our landfill. I know there are several great local companies doing this in town, as well as an out of town company that have undercut local companies. The city easily could hire these local individuals to manage/run the city's curbside recycling program. This does not have to be an idealistic thought. We could be creative with our thinking and make it happen.

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sad_lawrencian 2 years, 5 months ago

Message to the City of Lawrence: stay out of my trash!

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irvan moore 2 years, 5 months ago

the trash system is one of the few things this city runs that isn't broken, quit tryuing to fix it

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conservative 2 years, 5 months ago

The city needs to stay out of curbside recycling. There are several private companies already doing that and doing it for less than the city believes it can. Go to a system where you pay more if you put out more trash and people will take care or recycling themselves either by subscribing to a curbside recycler or by taking the stuff to free recycling dropoffs.

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DRsmith 2 years, 5 months ago

Curious as to how much illegal dumping increased in those cities.

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pace 2 years, 5 months ago

It is incorrect the current rate does not include any curbside recycling. there is weekly curbside collection of grass and leaf material for most of the year, and on the bulk pickup some of the heavy metal use to be recycled. I don't feel the need for grass and leaf recycling, but some people might find that important. I would recommend that curbside collection of paper and metals would be two materials that should be collected curbside. there is quite of bit of paper in every home and business. Glass and plastics drive the curbside collection cost up by a factor of at least ten. I hope that consideration is given to the current private collections but not at the exclusion of the city doing the curbside collection. I have watched the consideration of a variety of private collection services supersede the need for curbside collection on a city wide basis for over a decade. If a pay for throw is part of the consideration, all the better. I prefer drop off sites for glass and plastic..

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