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Expert blames economic crisis on erosion of U.S. middle class

November 15, 2011

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Robert Kaplan

Robert Kaplan

If there is a Kansas University alumnus out there who knows how to fix what ails Wall Street, it may be Robert Kaplan, the former vice chairman of the Wall Street powerhouse Goldman Sachs.

But there’s one problem: Kaplan isn’t sure that fixing Wall Street is where America should be spending most of its time.

“This crisis didn’t start with Wall Street,” said Kaplan, who left his job of overseeing investment banking operations for Goldman in 2005. “They made it worse, but this crisis really is about the erosion of the middle class of the United States.”

Kaplan, now a professor at the Harvard Business School, will be the featured speaker at an event at 7:30 p.m. Thursday at the Dole Institute of Politics, 2350 Petefish Drive.

Kaplan — who is promoting a new book he has written on leadership — said the financial crisis that has resulted from the bursting of the housing bubble is in large part because “a family of four can’t make ends meet if they are making $45,000 or $50,000 a year.”

“The middle class is eroding, and we will continue to have volatility as long as that is the case,” Kaplan said.

But Kaplan isn’t giving Wall Street an entirely free pass on the role it played in the financial crisis. Kaplan — who grew up in Kansas City and received an undergraduate degree from KU in 1979 — said he had become uncomfortable at Goldman Sachs prior to leaving in 2005. He said that Wall Street had become dominated by the “zero sum game” of trading financial instruments — everything from simple bonds to complicated derivatives.

“It is a casino,” Kaplan said of the trading environment. “It is about too much trading and not enough client focus. Wall Street has to again become focused on clients.

“I think it is incumbent that Wall Street firms prove that they can make a positive difference in the world. I know most of the Wall Street CEOs, and I tell them that they need to prove it. Talk won’t matter anymore.”

Kaplan said he would like to see the government make a larger investment in infrastructure, which he believes will help foster growth that will benefit the middle class. He also supports an extension of the federal payroll tax holiday, and would like the government to create more certainty in the regulatory environment regarding small businesses.

“There is a lot of uncertainty right now, and it is undermining our growth potential,” Kaplan said.

On other issues, Kaplan:

• Is a founding member of the No Labels movement, which advocates for less partisanship in politics, and particularly believes the variety of pledges lawmakers are pressured to sign is detrimental to governing.

“Almost 60 percent of the members of Congress have taken some sort of pledge to not take some sort of action,” Kaplan said. “Our view is the only pledge they should be taking is the oath of office.”

• Believes Congressional leaders still have a chance to reach a significant agreement on reducing the deficit, but will “have to make everybody mad” by reforming entitlement programs and raising taxes.

• Thinks Europe’s current debt crisis should serve as a warning to the United States.

“We’re not as different from Europe as we would like to think,” Kaplan said. “The main difference between us and them is that we can print money and they can’t. Frankly, what we’re seeing in Europe is what can happen, if we let this go too long.”

Thursday’s event is open to the public. After Kaplan speaks, he will sign copies of his book, “What to Ask the Person in the Mirror: Critical Questions for Becoming a More Effective Leader and Reaching Your Potential.”

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  1. Antonym (anonymous) says…

    this guy is a genius!

  2. cato_the_elder (anonymous) says…

    No, the guy is a doctrinaire liberal.

    1. Keith (anonymous) replies

      Same thing.

      1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

        Yeah, right. Barack Obama is a doctrinaire liberal, and his presidency has been a work of genius. Brilliant response.

        1. Keith (anonymous) replies

          No, and no. But keep trying, you're bound to get something right eventually.

          1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

            Perhaps you will too, but I'm not counting on it.

            1. Keith (anonymous) replies

              I see you're at your wits end.

              1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

                At least I have wit, rather than mere blather.

                1. notanota (anonymous) replies

                  Not that we've seen you demonstrate here.

                  1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

                    That presupposes that you have the ability to discern it, which the left-wing blinders you wear render impossible.

  3. jafs (anonymous) says…

    Having read the article, I can't see any evidence that cato's comment is correct.

    This guy's comments are a mix of liberal (government investment in infrastructure) and conservative (more certainty in the regulatory environment) ideas.

    He says that reforming entitlement programs is necessary (conservative) and also raising taxes (liberal).

    1. Fretster (anonymous) replies

      Cato is never, ever accurate. Never.

      1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

        It appears that I must irritate you. If you're a doctrinaire liberal, then I'm pleased.

        1. Fretster (anonymous) replies

          Once again, completely inaccurate. Thanks for proving my point!

          1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

            Once again, completely inaccurate. Based on your prior posts, you get irritated very easily. In fact, you remind me of a certain previously banned poster on this site.

            Thanks for disproving your own point.

            1. Fretster (anonymous) replies

              "That's what you are, so what am I?"

              Hilarious!

              1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

                What are you ? I note that you began posting on this site under your current name on September 22 of this year, or less than a month and a half ago. You remind me very much of a previously-banned poster on this site.

                1. Fretster (anonymous) replies

                  That is twice you've attempted to out an anonymous poster, a violation of the terms of service. Reported.

                  Who cares who or what I remind you of? Only you, and that's no one, no one at all!

                  1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

                    If you're a previously-banned poster, a subject that is often brought up on this forum using specific names, which I haven't ever done (but you have - see your references to "Arminius" on November 9, 2011, at 8:12 p.m. and 9:42 p.m.), then people other than I ought to care. In reality, no one who just started posting on this site on September 22 of this year could possibly know who "Arminius" was. You've been around for a long time, pal.

                    1. Fretster (anonymous) replies

                      "In reality, no one who just started posting on this site on September 22 of this year could possibly know who "Arminius" was."

                      Fallacious argument, cato. You don't have to post to have been reading for years. I have several friends that have read these comments for years without ever setting up an account. As a matter of fact, I started posting here recently, so take off your tinfoil hat. Your statement does not hold any water, but glad we could clear that up.

                      "You've been around for a long time, pal."

                      Nope, enjoy your conspiracy.

                      Rather stalkerish for you to go back through my posts trying to find something to fight about. Obsessive and weird, really.

                      1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

                        No, I was curious as to how you could make the broad statement that I am "never accurate" on anything I say when you'd only been posting under your current name since September 22 of this year. I've commented on a wide variety of subjects, not just politics, during that time. I'd never seen your current name before, and I found it surprising that you would post such an ad hominem comment when you'd never responded previously to anything I'd said during the short time that you'd been posting here under your current name.

                        1. Fretster (anonymous) replies

                          Sept. 22-Nov. 17, I seen plenty of posts by many posters, that's how it works.

                          Stop troubling yourself about it, it isn't healthy.

                          1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

                            See my response below at 9 a.m.

                            1. Fretster (anonymous) replies

                              No ma'am, I do not work for you. I'm done with your immature idiocy, cato, You've got serious, serious issues.

    2. jonas_opines (anonymous) replies

      "This guy's comments are a mix of liberal (government investment in infrastructure) and conservative."

      Operative word here is mix. If you have Anything other than the standard regurgitated conservative screed, you're obviously a doctrinaire liberal. You know, the 85% that are to the right of the standard Newsmax readers, the liberals.

      1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

        Only 20% of Americans identify themselves as liberals.

        1. just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (anonymous) replies

          Until you start asking them about actual policy, and they don't support your preference for elitist, corporate oligarchy.

          1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

            I have no "...preference for elitist, corporate oligarchy," nor do I share your preference for government-managed, nanny-state socialism.

    3. notanota (anonymous) replies

      No Labels is pretty similar to Reagan era republicans, the socialists.

    4. pace (anonymous) replies

      Since so many economist have tied the growing deficit to the growing tax cuts, maybe it isn't liberal versus conservative, Since so many liberals tie the defense budgets to unconnected pork and so many conservative would like the government to waste less. I think it is politician's play, building on the sports fever, demonizing one side over the other, win win win, The losers, the economy, jobs, housing stock, the middle class, the poor, the productive, the sane. Power or leadership, two different roads. Too many people are looking for a Daddy, who can fix everything, I am not looking for a Daddy. I expect the community has a bigger responsibility than most want to take on. Leaving it to the guy or gal in Congress or Senate or White house will not fix what we need fixing. They actually follow us. What are we doing? The conservatives complain the Occupy movement are offering no simple answers, the liberals complain the teas offer too simplistic answers. I wish we lived in simple times but we don't. I am surprised more conservatives aren't taking the Occupy points as their talking points. Many of the issues were conservative talking points, the solutions are probably not easy.

  4. lawrenceguy40 (anonymous) says…

    There is one reason for the economic mess - it begins and ends with barry o. The fear that he may be elected began it and now he has been illegally enthroned as President it continues to get worse. His policy is to steal money from hard working folks and give it to idle bums. Hard working folks see that there is no point in trying to better themselves, so the economy shrinks.

    It is so simple I am surprised simple liberals cannot understand it. But they don't, they just dream up new ways to tax the wealth creators and give to the idle.

    1. dncinnanc (anonymous) replies

      Hard to dignify comments like this with a response.

      1. Fretster (anonymous) replies

        lawrenceguy, like cato, is never, ever accurate. Point fingers, scream nonsense, then move on, it's what they do. Somewhat sickly entertaining, in the Jerry Springer kind of way.

        1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

          It's hard for me to conclude that you could make such a strong statement about me, which is similar to one you made earlier on this thread, if, according to J-W information publicly available, you have only been participating on this forum since September 22 of this year. You remind me very much of a previously-banned poster who often displayed an intense hostility toward my comments.

          1. Fretster (anonymous) replies

            Hmmm, 3 times you've violated the terms of service on this thread! Such fun reporting you!

            I have no hostility towards you at all, just pointing out the obvious about your posts. Man, you act like a stalker!

            1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

              See my post of 8:59 p.m. above, in response to your threats related to my posts. Under your own definition, you twice violated TOS on November 9, 2011, as I pointed out above. Throwing in threatening words like "stalker" is not helpful to your case. I'll say it again: It's obvious that you've been around for a long time.

              1. Fretster (anonymous) replies

                Telling you that you've been reported for violating the TOS isn't a threat. Look up the definition.

                Sorry about the word stalker, it's obviously upset you. Probably a little close to home.

                1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

                  See my response at 6:10 a.m. today to yet another attempt on your part to brand me a "stalker." I rather think that the shoe's on the other foot.

                  1. Fretster (anonymous) replies

                    Says the person going back and reading through my entire history to find something to argue about!

                    1. cato_the_elder (anonymous) replies

                      Something tells me that I've haven't read through your entire history.

                      1. Fretster (anonymous) replies

                        And the obsession continues! This is making you look silly, cato, seriously,

                        1. AlexParker (Alex Parker) replies

                          Let's stay on topic, please, and not subject all of our readers to your personal disagreements. Thanks.

                          1. Fretster (anonymous) replies

                            I am quite done with cato's threats, violations of the TOS, and stalking behavior Alex. I will not be responding to anything cato says in the future, because as you can see here, if you disagree with cato, his tactic it to try to beat you into submission. It is immature and should not be allowed here, period.

    2. theironmouse (anonymous) replies

      First of all, President Obama has done more good for the USA in his first 2 years then any other president in the past 20 or so in their terms.
      TWO,the economic problems was already there. It took a bold president to finally sit down and say " our government is broken". Obama finally took a stand and took the needle to the bubble that was growing before it got out of control.

      As for the hard working folk, sadly that is a statement that does not hold true fully to all Americans as you portray it to be. In general, Americans today are willing to work hard IF they get the pay they want. We have become lazy, greedy beyond belief, let the private sector rape our economy, let banks and wall street get away with murder on our financial stability. A perfect example is how expensive it is to live in Lawrence. Look at the new homes, $250 to 300 starting price for house that are built like crap? I used to help build homes back in Iowa and have been through these NEW developments during construction and its appauling on the poor workmenship.

      I am a hard working middle class that puts in 60+ hours a week to support my family. I don't mind if we raise our taxes if it helps provide a brighter future for my children. What is funny is that most of the people that are screaming against raising taxes... is oddly.. those who make higher incomes. Got to be able to afford those 40+K cars and 300+K homes..rather then live in a 150K home and help rebuild the neighborhoods and understand what our Constitution is about... we the people.. odd reason the GOP thinks its I the people.

      Oh one last thing, the guy righting the book, before you condem him.. lets take alook at his success in the business world.. NOW lets look at yours?? HUMM who should we listen to? For sure not you.

    3. parrothead8 (anonymous) replies

      Who are these "wealth creators" you speak of, and whose wealth have they created?

  5. cait48 (anonymous) says…

    Anybody want popcorn?

    1. jayhawkinsf (anonymous) replies

      I really like that cheese flavored popcorn. Also caramel popcorn. And it's usually so popular around the holidays. My spousal unit likes regular popcorn 365 days a year. So, to answer your question, Yes.

  6. jayhawklawrence (anonymous) says…

    It is always hopeful when a member of the American "aristocracy" makes an honest and common sense statement.

    It is not genius. It is just common sense.

    How do we get rid of the political ideologues that are hurting our country? These people are like a plague.

  7. jayhawklawrence (anonymous) says…

    Yes, the middle class is eroding and like global warming, there may be a point of no return.

  8. acornwebworks (Kendall Simmons) says…

    Simple? What on earth are you talking about???

    Never mind that a President doesn't have anywhere near as much power you apparently want to give Obama credit for. Never mind that US worker productivity has gone *up*...so hard workers are actually working harder, not being the quitters you seem to think they are. They aren't cutting off their noses to spite their faces by not trying to better themselves because maybe perhaps possibly sometime in the future their taxes might maybe possibly would go up.

    The fact of the matter is that, contrary to your apparently firmly-held belief, federal taxes have actually gone DOWN under Obama. Yup. For all the fear-mongering, Obama has *not* increased taxes...on anyone!!! Not even on the rich. Certainly not on "hard workers".

    Indeed, federal taxes have gone down for over 90% of Americans...and stayed the same for the rest. Please, oh, please, oh please tell us how that translates to increased taxes in your mind??? Translates to taking money from hard workers and giving it to "idle bums"...which, like it or not, includes those hard workers whose jobs were offshored so that the wealth amassers could amass even more wealth...and to heck with the American hard workers who got them where they are in the first place.

    Like it or not, you believe in a myth. And you obviously like that myth so much that you apparently aren't interested in actually checking out the reality. You'd obviously rather believe in conspiracy theories. ("illegally enthroned", indeed.)

    1. acornwebworks (Kendall Simmons) replies

      This was meant as a response to lawrenceguy40's comment, but somehow ended up here. Oh well.

    2. Liberty_One (anonymous) replies

      acornwebworks (Kendall Simmons) says…

      "The fact of the matter is that, contrary to your apparently firmly-held belief, federal taxes have actually gone DOWN under Obama."

      This is a rather narrow-minded view. Under Obama spending has increased. He is borrowing money and promising our future income to pay for it. He actually has raised taxes since we will be eventually forced to pay for his spending spree when the bills come due.

      So how about you start looking at reality. The state doesn't have some other source of income. If they are borrowing money to fund their vote-buying spree, that has to eventually come out of our pockets. ANY increase in spending is therefore an increase in taxes, whether current or future taxes.

      1. tomatogrower (anonymous) replies

        Yet, you never were concerned when spending rose under Bush? At least Obama is spending the money more on us. Bush sent it overseas.

        1. Liberty_One (anonymous) replies

          What the heck are you talking about? I criticized Bush all over the place. Who do you think you are making up lies about me?

  9. verity (anonymous) says…

    ". . . this crisis really is about the erosion of the middle class of the United States.”

    Duh! Talk about stating the obvious.

    “This crisis didn’t start with Wall Street, . . .” They certainly helped in a big way with the erosion of the middle and working classes.

    He does have some good ideas, but looks to me like he's talking a good talk while coming in the back door with more ways to hurt the middle and working class.

    And one more self-help book for people to spend money on, hoping for a magic bullet, which no doubt says virtually the same thing as the thousands of other self-help books--but it will certainly help his bottom line.

  10. 75x55 (anonymous) says…

    Geez people - he's a guy pimping a book.

    He will present himself and his book as all-things-to-all-people, to maximize sales. The living definition of a 'centrist' - no real convictions other than self-interest.

  11. rockchalk1977 (anonymous) says…

    The "erosion of U.S. middle class" is the result of basic union greed. Unions demand double-digit wage hikes, no cost health insurance, lucrative retirement plans, and outrageous paid time off. And the whining union members wonder why their jobs move off-shore. Wow! Stop whining and decertify.

    http://www.unionfacts.com/union-membe...

  12. 1southernjayhawk (anonymous) says…

    I really think that the beginning of the decline in the middle class, both in numbers and in income, started with the beginning of a global economy. We have also been the beneficiaries of this global economy in terms of products that are available to us and the prices for which they are available. How do we compete in this global economy? Better education in science, math, engineering, and reading. Many, many good jobs have been shipped overseas.

    1. theironmouse (anonymous) replies

      Agreed. in away. To add, the reason for the global economy ties directly to the constant need for profit even thought there is already plenty of profit. It is the constant need for more for less which in the end state is looking for cheaper production which leads to the moving of jobs over seas thus creating a global economy. Here is the kicker, who is controlling this? Ironically its the stock holders, the greed of them to have more money. It is also the citizen, who wants more and less and will go to all ends to find easier ways to do that. We waste more time and money on finding cheaper and faster ways to do something rather then just be more productive with what we have and the big thing is to slow down. Technology is gaining speed on becoming more of a negative rather then a positive. Sounds odd but they are two different theories.

      Either way, if we want the middle class to stop eroding we need to do a few things.
      FIRST is get our jobs BACK in the USA.
      TWO, its obvious the giving the companies all the breaks is teh WRONG thing to do. The bailouts proved that theory.
      THREE, the governemt NEEDS to have more control on the economy. leaving it up to the private sector and the greed that goes with it is outright stupid. The failing housing industry is proof of that.
      and the BIG thing,, fix the freaking loop holes in the tax system.

  13. Liberty_One (anonymous) says…

    tomatogrower has the gall to accuse me of never criticizing Bush. I doubt I've ever said a kind word about the man in my life.

    When you have no reply, lie, lie, lie.

    1. Armored_One (anonymous) replies

      And, sadly, you ahve taken offense over something that you can't be offended about unless you want to be offended.

      Honestly, does the opinion or a random online entity truly define and dictate who and what you are, or is that something that you do yourself?

      If you say the former, I don't know whether to point and laugh or be depressed over it.

      If you say the latter, then stop posting tripe like your above post.

      As I've said for a long, long time:
      "I have two cheeks, feel free to pucker up and choose one, but if the choice is too hard for you, split the difference and entertain me that much more"

      1. Liberty_One (anonymous) replies

        Your hypocrisy is too funny.

        It's even better that you are getting offended about something I said about someone else!

        Some people take this stuff way too seriously. If you get this easily offended then maybe you should watch some more Dancing with the Stars and leave us alone.

        1. Armored_One (anonymous) replies

          You are just too cute, Liberty.

          Here, have a cookie and go play with the rest of the ankle biters at the park.

          Although I am just so glad that you could pause your extraordinarily busy day to point out exactly what my frame of mind was when I posted. I was just so confused, apparently, and needed the guidance of someone I wouldn't know if I hit them with my car.

          Really?

          Really?!

          You honestly think I was offended? I was mocking more than anything else, although sarcasm probably came into play as well.

          Liberty, all you do is entertain me, and even that is stretching the boundaries of polite conversation. What I find to be truly sad is not only did someone take offense to an anonymous comment online, you felt the need to try and belittle me, which you failed at miserably I might add, for simply stating that your opinion of the other person should have about as much impact as a mouse fart three counties away.

          I think you took more offense than I did.

          Then again, I think my cat took more offense than I did.

          1. Liberty_One (anonymous) replies

            Wow, I must have really upset you for you to write an essay about how not upset you are.

            Hypocrite.

            1. Armored_One (anonymous) replies

              *just laughing in your face*

              In person, I would still laugh just as hard.

              Thank you, please drive through.

              Oh, and as to the "essay"...

              Character width restrictions tend to make short posts look much longer. Kind of like your functional brain cell count.

              *patting you on the head and giving you a cookie*

              Nice try, though. You get a cookie for the effort.

              1. Liberty_One (anonymous) replies

                "you felt the need to try and belittle me..." 11/17 12:30pm

                ".....*patting you on the head and giving you a cookie*" 11/18 8:58am

                "I am just so glad that you could pause your extraordinarily busy day to point out exactly what my frame of mind was when I posted...." 11/17 12:30pm

                ".....And, sadly, you have taken offense" 11/16 5:06pm

                You are too funny. It's like you aren't even smart enough to know how much of a hypocrite you are.

                Write another essay so I can keep making a fool of you. It's so easy--all I have to do is cut and paste your own words to show how idiotic you sound.

                1. Armored_One (anonymous) replies

                  Not my fault you don't have a strong enough grasp of the English language to formulate any indepth responses, or to understand the concept of sarcasm.

                  Yer a putz. It's obvious. Accept your short comings and press on.

                  Or post again and entertain me further, because I am purposely poking at you with that proverbial stick, just to get you to jump again.

                  Funny thing is you will still post, despite knowing exactly why I post what I do.

                  1. Liberty_One (anonymous) replies

                    Ahh, the safety valve of the moron: I was being *sarcastic*! It's not that you said dumb things because you are dumb and didn't realize it, it was *intentional*! You were making a joke and I just didn't get it, right? It's clearly my fault because I'm a putz.

                    I hope you don't have athlete's foot because it's stuck up there pretty good.

                    "I am purposely poking at you with that proverbial stick"

                    LOL at how blind you are to what I'm doing.

                    1. Armored_One (anonymous) replies

                      "Funny thing is you will still post, despite knowing exactly why I post what I do."

                      I must be psychic.

                      And yes, I choose the words that I write. Your lack of understanding is neither my fault nor my concern.

                      So, are you going to post again, because I am once again willing to bet you can't resist trying to improve your self esteem by convincing yourself that you are actually accomplishing anything other than amusing me.

                      You can't take offense if you don't want to be offended. Words have no more weight than the listener/reader gives them.

                      I have never, and will never, consider your opinion of me to be anything more than comic relief. Why do you think I mock you? Because I want you to entertain me just a little bit more.

                      1. Liberty_One (anonymous) replies

                        "I have never, and will never, consider your opinion of me to be anything more than comic relief."

                        Except that you get so offended. You got so offended by me that you commented on a comment I made about someone else.

                        Chill dude, it's just a forum. You shouldn't take this stuff so personal.

  14. tange (anonymous) says…

    Alas, if only the Middle Class were the chrome and teflon which are the Uppity.

  15. merrill (anonymous) says…

    The Erosion of the middle class can be associated with all of the following. What has been left out is the one big Reaganomic factor that began eliminating the middle class.

    Does anyone remember the reckless period of leveraged buyouts,hostile takeovers and questionable mergers? And how this recklessness was financed? This brought on huge numbers of layoff's by USA industry who soon opened up in China and other slave labor markets. What replaced all of this? "Shop Till YOU Drop with credit cards.

  16. merrill (anonymous) says…

    Other large nails in the coffin of the middle class:

    The RINO party has a long history of economic destruction and crime to include Iran-Contra and Watergate. Like or not a consistent and disturbing pattern has developed by their choosing.

    STOP electing RINO’s ! My My father in law left the RINO party because he is a fiscal conservative republican with at least 50 years under his belt. Evermore stunning he is working with the democrat party in Pennsylvania.

    After spending so so many decades in Washington D.C on tax dollar payrolls RINO’s are sure they learned all they needed to know about taking YOUR money and establishing reckless economies by way of Facism.

    Introducing the RINO Economic Destruction Platform Written In Stone:

    1. TABOR is Coming by Grover Norquist and Koch Bros sells out state governments, public schools,SRS services etc etc to private industry = Grab Your Wallets!
    http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archiv...

    2. The Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan Heist aka home loan scandal sent the economy out the window costing taxpayers many many $$ trillions (Cost taxpayers $1.4 trillion), Plus millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance.
    http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com...

    3. Bush/Cheney Home Loan Wall Street Bank Fraud cost consumers $ trillions, millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. Exactly like the Reagan/Bush home loan scam. Déjà vu can we say. Yep seems to be a pattern.
    http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archiv...

    4. Bush/Cheney implied more than ONLY 3 financial institutions instead of several were at risk so why $700 billion in bail out money? One of the biggest lies perpetrated to American citizens. Where did this money go? Why were some banks forced to take bail out money?
    http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10...

    5. Tax cuts the entitlement program for the wealthy which do nothing to make an economy strong or produce jobs. Tax cuts are a tax increase to others in order to make up the loss in revenue = duped again.

    Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts - The entitlement program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class = duped one more time.
    http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archiv...

    In the end big debt and super duper bailouts were the results which does not seem to bother Republicans, as long as they are in power.

    In fact, by the time the second Bush left office, the national debt had grown to $12.1 trillion:

    * Over half of that amount had been created by Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy.

    * Another 30% of the national debt had been created by the tax cuts for the wealthy under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

    • Fully 81% of the national debt was created by just these three Republican Presidents.
    http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archiv...

    1. snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) replies

      Have you posted that 1000 times on this award-winning website yet, merrill?
      (from a source)

  17. budwhysir (anonymous) says…

    thats what I like to see,,,, more political scare tactics aimed at increasing the national debt and focusing on what the average American is doing wrong...but a I will agree one thing, a family of 4 CANT make it on 45 to 50,000 per year if they are carrying enough debt to be supporting a family of 12.

    For some strange reason wall street is not having a large impact on my daily living. Maybe that is because I am not entrusting these morons with my life savings and or my retirement. I am putting myself in charge of being what I want to be. Investors that work wall street are looking to do what many others have done, make money the easy way by investing your money on a gamble, and then if things pan out, they get a cut and then let you have some. Let these guys work a few days in the real world and make money to invest. I aint given them my money.

    middle class is just a placement society puts on a group of people so the upper class feels better when the economy takes a dip. Who cares about classifications of lower, middle, and upper class living?

  18. atiopatioo (anonymous) says…

    I bought Iphone 4S and moved up a class.

  19. snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…

    The way the current regime is paying off donors with billions of dollars of tax money isn't helping the millions of Americans who don't have the proper connections.
    http://minx.cc/?post=323805

  20. kansasplains1 (Lawrence Morgan) says…

    1southernjayhawk and theironmouse may be right on. I, too, think that when the global economy really took hold, that is when the middle class went down in income and hopes.

    But - I know no one ever says this, but - what about tariff elimination? There is no way that Americans can expect jobs at the wages people are making in the developing countries. Perhaps we should have tariffs again, so that jobs can come back to the United States?

    1. Liberty_One (anonymous) replies

      Tariffs make everyone poorer. Don't forget that everyone is a consumer as well as a producer. If all you think about is jobs, then you are forgetting that the only point of most jobs is to earn enough money to buy things, and tariffs make things more expensive. You'd only be shooting yourself in the foot.

  21. tbaker (anonymous) says…

    Americans don't demand large, sweeping change unless enough of them are suffering some injury real or perceived. Things aren't bad enough yet. Compared to the rest of the world, we are doing quite well. Sure there are some very serious problems on the horizon, but most people don't pay attention to them until they start to feel the pain. The question is will the motivation the pain provides come soon enough to avert disaster? Part of that answer comes in 355 days. The next government we elect will be at the wheel when we run out of road and reach the cliff. Stay tuned.

  22. FalseHopeNoChange (anonymous) says…

    Which came first? Middle class eroding or economic crises?

    I'm not an 'Expert' but I bet it was the Middle class erosion that started the econmic crises.

    Just look at the 'spontaneous, refreshing youth' of Madame Pelosi and Big Daddy. Would anyone with any sense hire them to do anything at all?

    Erosion therefore crises.

  23. rockchalk1977 (anonymous) says…

    Unbelievable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIYv0k...

    January 2013, the end of an error.

    1. FalseHopeNoChange (anonymous) replies

      Big Daddy is digging in his stash to pay for the invasion of Australia.
      Nobel Peace at its finest hour.

      Tension between China and the United States is unavoidable in the region. Any rebalancing at all — excepting a U.S. military pullback from the region — will continue to unsettle Beijing. Meanwhile, every country in Southeast Asia will view the arrangement between Australia and the United States from its own position. Indonesia, for example, will be nervous about being caught between China and additional American forces in Australia — and the subsequent Chinese attention that situation may attract. Despite Obama’s denials at the signing ceremony, the tension between China and the United States is a reality. Beijing will continue to refine its own military posture and disposition in response to changes by Washington in the region, while others will naturally worry if either side becomes too dominant. While many in the region might benefit from competition between China and the United States in the long term, countries are currently concerned about near-term stability as that competition evolves.

      (from a source)