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Church leaders ask Kansas Legislature to stay out of illegal immigration reform

Bishop Scott Jones, left, and Archbishop Joseph Naumann on Wednesday speak on illegal immigration during news conference at the Capitol. The church leaders endorsed comprehensive federal immigration reform.

Bishop Scott Jones, left, and Archbishop Joseph Naumann on Wednesday speak on illegal immigration during news conference at the Capitol. The church leaders endorsed comprehensive federal immigration reform.

November 9, 2011, 11:36 a.m. Updated November 9, 2011, 11:12 p.m.

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— Religious leaders on Wednesday urged the Kansas Legislature to leave immigration reform to the federal government, and they said they supported allowing illegal immigrants to gain some kind of legal status.

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Renee Slinkard, who opposes allowing illegal immigrants to attain legal status, attended the news conference.

Renee Slinkard, who opposes allowing illegal immigrants to attain legal status, attended the news conference.

The Most Rev. Joseph Naumann, archbishop of the Archdiocese of Kansas City in Kansas, and Bishop Scott Jones, Bishop of the Kansas Area of the United Methodist Church, said the vast majority of illegal immigrants are hard-working, God-loving and family-oriented.

“Our immigration policies are so restrictive. It makes it relatively impossible to legally immigrate to this country,” Naumann said. “There have to be ways to help them achieve legal status here, if not citizenship, perhaps a worker program that will allow them to achieve legal status.”

At the news conference, Naumann and Jones were asked by Renee Slinkard, of the Tea Party Immigration Coalition, why they would want to make it easier for illegal immigrants to gain citizenship “when we are faced with all this terrorism, crime, human trafficking.”

Naumann said that “bad actors” should be deported but that most illegal immigrants have no “ill intent.” He added that many are young people brought here as children who have no connection to any country but the United States.

Slinkard later said illegal immigrants should leave the country and “go to the back of the line to get their citizenship.”

Naumann and Jones, several other Catholic leaders, and Bishop Gerald Mansholt, Bishop of the Central States Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, signed a paper that asked people to be respectful to each other in debating the issue of illegal immigration.

The paper called for comprehensive reform at the federal level that would include securing the country’s borders and a process allowing undocumented immigrants to gain legal status.

“We hope to shape a more civil conversation,” in Kansas and nationally, Jones said.

Proposals to crack down on illegal immigration are likely to be raised during the legislative session that starts in January.

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a Republican, has been a national leader in writing controversial legislation aimed at illegal immigration in other states, such as SB 1070 in Arizona and Alabama’s new restrictions.

Naumann and Jones said they hoped to meet with Kobach some time to discuss the issue with him.

Contacted later by the Lawrence Journal-World, Kobach said he had read the document signed by the religious leaders and agreed with the portion that emphasized the importance of the rule of law. “There is a lot of common ground here,” Kobach said, but added that he disagreed with providing “amnesty.”

On Tuesday, the legislative champion of SB 1070 in Arizona, state Sen. Russell Pearce, was voted out of office.

He was defeated by fellow Republican Jerry Lewis in a recall election that many said was a referendum on SB 1070.

Benjamin Johnson, executive director of the American Immigration Council, said Pearce’s fate should cause state legislators to pause before trying to push through immigration legislation at the state level.

But Kobach said had Pearce faced Lewis in the Republican Party primary, Pearce would have won. And, he said, although Pearce was defeated, many more “pro-enforcement” candidates nationally have won.

Comments

blindrabbit 3 years, 9 months ago

Just keep in mind that Kansas' Kris Kobach (aka KKK) is on a ego trip to impose his radical form of right-wing whackoness about immigration. Interestingly, his Arizona legislative lacky was defeated yesterday in his re-election bid. Kobach has meddled in Nebraska, Arizona and recently Alabama. His Alabama "help" has resulted in an impossible situation for Alabama farmers to acquire field help for harvesting their crops.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 9 months ago

" his Arizona legislative lacky was defeated yesterday in his re-election bid."

It wasn't a re-election bid. It was a recall election, and he lost by a sizable margin. He becomes the first state senate president in the US ever removed from office.

The far-right lost several big elections yesterday-- the recall in Arizona, the "life begins at conception" law in Mississippi, and the rejection of the anti-state-worker laws in Ohio, and in Maine, they defeated a repeal of same-day voter registration.

Not a good day for Kris Kobach over all.

overthemoon 3 years, 9 months ago

I'd like to see a whole lot more 'not good days' for Kobach and his cabal.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 9 months ago

Good news all around yesterday! The average, critical thinking American has finally decided to get back involved with our political system and show the 'conservative' whack-jobs there place at the back of the bus.

CBS News; Nov 9, 2011 - Appeals court backs Obama health care law: What comes next? "The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia upheld the lower court's ruling that found Congress did not overstep its authority in requiring people to have insurance or pay a penalty, beginning in 2014.

So glad our state didn't waste time and money trying to fight this....wait a minute....

Don Whiteley 3 years, 9 months ago

The average, critical thinking American has decided that their own personal desires outweigh any responsibilities they have for their actions. Americans themselves have become so lazy that even if they are unemployed and unable to meet their debts, they'll scream at the government for more handouts and insist that they don't have to repay creditors...they deserve things for free. And with all the liberal "Greek inspired" support programs, unemployed Americans have no incentive to go out and do the hard work immigrants have come to the US to perform. More power to the immigrants, they make better Americans than Americans.

jonas_opines 3 years, 9 months ago

I don't think that your brush is quite broad enough, yet.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

I cannot keep that in mind because it is not true. Mr. Kobach is reflecting the wishes of the majority of Kansans that those immigrants who come in to our state should follow a legal process. This is about respect for the rule of law and no one who comes here illegally should advance in the process of becoming a citizen ahead of someone who has followed the law and is on a waiting list! We must be fair and we must not encourage illegal immigration in Kansas!

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

And once more KJH chimes in, in lock step robotic rote with the PTBs. Has this person ever had an independent thought? The "majority of Kansans" line has been repeated ad nauseum despite the fact that it's been pointed out over and over by multiple posters that it's a straw man fail. I think it would be hilarious if this turned out to be the guv'nor's own sock puppet, because to date it's certainly provided me with a lot of amusement.

parrothead8 3 years, 9 months ago

Just because it's a law doesn't make it right.

Kerry Putthoff 3 years, 9 months ago

Then maybe Alabama farmers ought re-think their payscale! If it is that hard of a job then maybe it is under waged!

overthemoon 3 years, 9 months ago

Who is the 'they' askin'? I think its more a case of Kobach and Koch crew infiltrating and influencing state legislatures and business leaders.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

This is false because all of us as citizens have a right to voice our opinions. There can be no "meddling" if the views of Kansans are reflected by the voices of others.

overthemoon 3 years, 9 months ago

I don't suppose you've seen the Bill Maher segment with the guy inside the plastic bubble....

Kirk Larson 3 years, 9 months ago

I reiterate, Kobach's meddlings are not so much about "illegals" (other than producing a sufficiently scary buggabear), but rather about getting these voter ID laws in place to make it more difficult for students, the elderly, and those who can't afford to own a car to vote.

rked 3 years, 9 months ago

the voter id laws are too keep the est. 12-20 million ILLEGALS from voting in the next presidential election...any American has NO problems showing a valid ID ... my daughter is in college & has NO problems with the laws here in TX, elderly also have ID, this is only a problem for the ILLEGAL block of voters that obummer wants to "sneak" thru the polls 11/12...you sound like a obama supporter...worried???

numbersUSA.org--Stop the Stupidity! JudicialWatch.org--Sign the Petition!--Tell Your State Gov't to Enforce Existing Immigration Laws!--Duh!

tomatogrower 3 years, 9 months ago

Please cite the incidents when illegals were caught voting? If that has happened in Kansas and Texas, then does that mean all those Republicans were voted in by illegals? If so, why are all the Republicans trying to stop them?

Kirk Larson 3 years, 9 months ago

What, me worried? Not after yesterday's election results. Post-Teabagger America is figuring out what a crazy bunch of money-grubbing power-grabbers the republicans are.

Getaroom 3 years, 9 months ago

There are so few incidences of voter fraud by illegals there is simply no need for this ID in Kansas and that is a mater of clear statics, on record, so need to emotionally fabricate a need - rked. The Catholic Church is interested more from a membership perspective, not a legality issue. Most Hispanic immigrants are Catholic, and produce more children because they practice The Church dogma. Immigration is an issue no question about it, but keep slander against Obama out of the conversation here. Why are you posting on the blog anyway? As if there are not enough ppl in Texas to preach to and besides you have your very own Rev Gov Rick Perry to hound on. You can keep your racism at home cause Texass is big enough to spread it around in and the choir is already tuned up for preachin' it ! The stupidity you speak of is home grown - right where you are. Stick to home. We have the internet right here in Kansas too, so need to post your lame .org references.

blindrabbit 3 years, 9 months ago

Cappy: In other words that are likely to vote Democratic. Maybe Herr Kobach emulating his 1930-40's Germanic heritage.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

This is just another example of the left-wing personal attack. You cannot win on the merits of the debate so accuse your opponent of being "hitler-like" or you attack even his ethnic heritage. Listen to the way you speak and debate if this type of thing was coming from a conservative you would accuse him of being a bigot.

thebigspoon 3 years, 9 months ago

OK, hawk, let's try to bring facts into this debate.

1) What is the number, within a reasonable estimate, of illegal voters actually voting in Kansas elections.

2) Why is showing an ID necessary after one has already registered with proper ID in the first place?

3) What percentage of illegal voters will continue to vote with illegal IDs?

4) What effect, other than using up legislators' time and Kansas's money to draft and pass these laws, will the laws have on the outcomes of future elections.

5) For that matter, what effect have illegal voters had on prior elections?

Until the answers to these questions are presented, and represent a clear and present danger to the electoral system, there is no reason to enact laws that cover little, mean next to nothing, and are simply the "conservative" way of creating issues when they can not address the real problems, in my opinion. Should you be able to address these questions in a rational way, and prove harm had been done and things will be better for ALL Kansas residents under the new laws or proposals, your comments have no merit and you have nothing with which to argue.

We are waiting.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

who is "we"? Kansans have the right to erect protections to their voting system whenever they so choose! We don't have to show you anything about abuses at all just that we want to prevent them in the future! However, Mr. Kobach has pointed to a number of legal cases of voter fraud that have been presented over the years! The bottom line is most Kansans believe that the law should be tightened in order to prevent voter fraud from happening.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

I believe if you do a little research you will find that most Kansans agree with legal immigration but oppose illegal immigration! Mr. Kobach reflects the conviction of the vast majority of Kansans that we should follow the rule of law and obey the laws of this country.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

no citation needed here because our legislature represents the people as it is intended in a republican form of government!

rked 3 years, 9 months ago

What part of ILLEGAL do you not get???---you may be all comfy & cozy on your couch there in KS, but let me get YOU a clue...I live in Houston, TX...a border state & a Sanctuary City (thanks rick perry), and there is a very Nasty, Dark & Repugnant side of Illegal Immigration...the public schools here are so nasty that i wouldn't send my dog there, so we pay for Private Schools, before we shell out for college cuz otherwise your kid(s) will end up jacked up & ganged raped...all because of I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S, so while you may be ok with a pack of Illegals now, wait a few months cuz what is rampant here, is soon coming to a neighborhood near YOU!!!

tomatogrower 3 years, 9 months ago

Please send links to articles about all these gang rapes and and jackings (car?). If you make accusations like that, then you need to show evidence. I think if that was going on all the time, then it would make national news. Also, where are you adults? If that was happening in my kid's school, I would be organizing the parents and setting up patrols for the halls. Where are the adults in the school? Where are the police? Why run and hide?

kawrivercrow 3 years, 9 months ago

You're a real 'freedom-of-speech' liberal, aren't you?

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

you don't know that at all...please use facts... to argue not merely your assumptions!

Kerry Putthoff 3 years, 9 months ago

How about you pay for them if you want them so bad! I am absolutely sick and tired of having money "taken" from me by the federal government and used to support someone here illiegally! I know no "working" person that is for opening up the borders. If an illiegal is here in this country and has a child then the child is also illegal. That is how the law should be read. How is it fair to those of us that worked and struggled all of our lives to get what we have and then have it taken in the form of welfare.... I'm sorry, they call it assistance now, and given to an illegal! Don't think it happens? Really? Look at the schools and the hostpitals in California. That state is bankrupt now because of illegals.

kawrivercrow 3 years, 9 months ago

Here's an idea for the pro-illegal crowd. Why don't you all act like a bunch of histrionic heifers and sling absurd references about nazis and the KKK. That will obscure the fact that there really is no legitimate argument in favor of illegal immigration.

Oh wait, never mind. I see you already thought of it.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 9 months ago

Actually, immigrants are more or less revenue neutral-- not that you really care.

rked 3 years, 9 months ago

Wrong!--they "suck up" much more than we ever hope to get paying sales tax...big wooo!!!

tomatogrower 3 years, 9 months ago

They indirectly pay property tax through their rent. If they are working with a fake id, then they don't dare file to get a refund on their income tax. Also, if they have a fake id, then why wouldn't they use that to vote anyway? Kobach is kluless.

tomatogrower 3 years, 9 months ago

A tax refund? Yes, they would have gotten all of their taxes returned with that many dependents, yet they don't file, so they pay 100% tax, unlike those people you like to whine about who end up not paying federal income tax. I hope you aren't an accountant.

beatrice 3 years, 9 months ago

Speaking of immigration issues -- Russell Pierce, the state senate leader in Arizona and the architect of the controversial SB 1070 law, lost in his recall election last night. It is the first time EVER that a sitting state senate leader has lost a recall election.

It didn't help that his camp, including family members, was exposed for trying to run a sham, third candidate to draw Hispanic votes away from his fellow Republican challenger. This all came out about a month ago. Of course, Pierce denied knowledge of any of it, but the good people of Mesa, Arizona, didn't buy it.

Maybe a rational response to the challenges of illegal immigration is what people want after all.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

This should not become a racial issue we should all agree that immigration should be based upon a legal process and that all people coming into our country should follow the rules. No one here illegally should go ahead of someone else in line to become a citizen who has followed the legal process and is on a waiting list. Church leaders should support and uphold the rule of law and following and obeying the law and we should not encourage illegals to come into Kansas by tolerating employment of illegals by various companies here.

kernal 3 years, 9 months ago

Who has stated the people in our country illegally have a right to get in front of the line for citizenship? This is the first I've heard of that. The proposals I have seen are to let them stay, provided they meet the requirements just as immigrants who enter legally must do.

Brock Masters 3 years, 9 months ago

You have people waiting to get into this country legally but illegals get to stay so yes, they are jumping ahead of those wishing to come to this country legally and have not gotten permission.

Phone_Man 3 years, 9 months ago

If you like the illegal mexicans why don't you move to Mexico! You are a real J@#k A3s!

thebigspoon 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree (what a horendous thought!) with your statement that church leaders should uphold the rulw of law, and that toleration of illegal employmwent should cease, but, amazingly enough, it's the government that is doing the tolerating, by not enforcing laws already extant concerning the punishment of individuals ans companies whop hire the illegals and the supposed financial penalties for that employment. If we are to have a workable immigration policy, there is where the sword needs to be wielded. Your party seems to have forgotten that those statutes exist, and are using the illegal, straw-man, issue to gather votes without punishing those who actually pay for the illegals' being her in the first place. Why do you not rise up in anger about that, KJH? Koch tell you to leave it alone, or do you not have a clue as to the laws already in existence? Either way, your opinion is yours to espouse, but it means exactly nothing to those who actually think, rather than mouth "conservative" talking points.

Susan Mangan 3 years, 9 months ago

How about the church stay out of legislation? Since when do churches, exempt from taxation, get to speak for the majority, who voted for the legislature, and who DO pay taxes?? Just because I believe in God DOES NOT mean that you speak for me on every social, political, and/or economic issue. And, as a not-for-profit, you exchange your "right" to endorse political issues for your ability to make money tax-free.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm down with that. Provided you're just as willing to tell that to the American Family Association, The Fellowship and all of the other religious right wing whack a doodle organizations that have their pastors preaching politics from the pulpit. (How's that for alliteration?)

Susan Mangan 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm (obviously) conservative. BUT I do believe that the church doesn't belong in politics...left or right. I believe in majority rule, and religious institutions often (understandably) are concerned with specific narrow issues and don't consider the bigger picture. They are granted tax-exempt status in exchange for relinquishing their right to use that money for political purposes. So, regardless of the side of the aisle, STAY OUT OF POLITICS!

somedude20 3 years, 9 months ago

"Naumann said that "bad actors" should be deported..." I concur! Ben Affleck, Marky Mark, Jonah Hill, Hugh Grant (he should be easy to ditch), Steven Seagal, Paris Hilton, Ashton Kutcher, Dane Cook, Renee Zellweger, Megan Fox (got the face but not the chops kid) French Stewart, Jamie Kennedy, Pauly Shore, Ben Stiller, David Caruso, Tom Cruise and last but not least..........Mitt Romney!

These bad actors should all be sent out of the US.

kernal 3 years, 9 months ago

Paris Hilton acts? What's she done, The Chihuahua Whisperer? And who the heck is French Stewart? Must be bad if I've never heard of that one.

somedude20 3 years, 9 months ago

Yes, Paris has been in a number of movies mostly direct to DVD. French Stewart was that dude from 3rd Rock from the Sun and did/does movies. He was the one with the horrible lisp

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 9 months ago

What part of "illegal" do these Padres not understand? So, why would they want this? I'd like to suggest that most Latinos are Catholic, and so allowing more Latinos to immigrate will bolster the flock and increase tithing revenue to the church. The Religious-Industrial-Congressional Complex is alive and well!!! You better believe it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAHLpY...

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

"Medicaid, free housing, free school, free food, free utilities, free phones, work for cash, drive a new car." Wow. Don't know many Hispanics, do you?

thebigspoon 3 years, 9 months ago

OK, then, profound, of whom were you speaking? Got facts? If so, post them. If not, don't say anything that is not your own opinion. I'm not saying you're wrong (yet) but am waiting patiently for facts, of which your post seems embarrasingly short.

Brock Masters 3 years, 9 months ago

Yep and see what not dealing with an illegal immigration problem did to them. Lesson learned I hope.

oldbaldguy 3 years, 9 months ago

We have a proud tradition of beating up on immigrants illegal or not. If someone has lived in this country for a number of years without breaking any laws and is living as a good citizen, he should get a shot at citizenship. Have any of the folks who want to kick out all the Mexicans ever talked to one? Found out what their dreams are? Give them a chance, they would be loyal Americans.

Brock Masters 3 years, 9 months ago

"If someone has lived in this country for a number of years without breaking any laws and is living as a good citizen, he should get a shot at citizenship"

Okay, I'll go with that, but remember every person who is here illegally has broken at least one law - immigration and probably several others like illegally obtaining an id, social security number and so on.

And really, why do you think they'd be loyal Americans? They fly the Mexican flag, they continue to speak Spanish and they demand rights they are not entitled to, but you think they would be loyal Americans?

Katara 3 years, 9 months ago

Americans break laws all the time. Should we start deporting anyone who breaks a law?

Brock Masters 3 years, 9 months ago

Katara - really? Where would we deport them to? What country would accept our criminals?

When Americans break the law they are punished by probation, fine or jail time or a combination of these.

So no, we should no deport them, but they should be punished.

kawrivercrow 3 years, 9 months ago

No, but we punish them all the time in a manner fitting with the law they broke. Why do you wish to hold illegal aliens to a lower standard than we hold ourselves?

Despite the warm and fuzzy feeling you may get from such actions, what do you think the consequences of such actions are going to be?

woodscolt 3 years, 9 months ago

Why do the laws have to keep getting more and more draconian? So all you people can include more and more people in the "illegal" category. Otherwise you would look like a biggot or a racist or something for demanding that no one should be allowed to immigrate to this country. Your just playing "king of the hill."

The Most Rev. Joseph Naumann, archbishop of the Archdiocese of Kansas City in Kansas, and Bishop Scott Jones, Bishop of the Kansas Area of the United Methodist Church, said the vast majority of illegal immigrants are hard-working, God-loving and family-oriented.

My bet is that these people have had more contact with immigrants than anyone who is threading.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 9 months ago

It's disingenuous to ask the state to stay our of the illegal immigration reform issue when you know the federal government is not doing what it's supposed to. What you're really saying is that you don't want reform and you don't want enforcement. If that's your attitude, just say it. Then you can vote for people with those positions and those opposed can vote for people who do want enforcement. But saying it's not the job of the states when the federal government can't/won't act, that's dishonest. At a minimum, we should expect an honest debate from religious leaders.

ivalueamerica 3 years, 9 months ago

It is hardly disingenuous when immigration is uniquely a federal matter by law.

Unless you are advocating the overthrowing of the Constitution???

Brock Masters 3 years, 9 months ago

Maybe you're right, so tell me how it would be a violation of the Constitution for the states to get involved in immigration?

ivalueamerica 3 years, 9 months ago

in 1875 the supreme court agreed that the 14th amendment and other issues confirmed that immigration was a federal and not a state issue. Over the years that left the feds in charge of policy and the state and local authorities have had to cooperate with the feds on any enforcement and that has been repeatedly affirmed over the years.

Imagine if each state created its own federal immigration policy.

I would not argue that the feds have done it right, they have not, but that does not change Constitutional law.

overthemoon 3 years, 9 months ago

More illegals have been deported in the last three years than ever before and immigration is down because of the lousy economy...so what isn't the federal government doing?

jhawkinsf 3 years, 9 months ago

A frequently stated stat. The only problem with it is that at the current rate, it would take decades to deport all the illegal immigrants currently here. And that assumes no additional illegal immigrants come in.
We can deport a million a year, but make no headway if two million come in.

kernal 3 years, 9 months ago

The first phrase in paragraph one of this story says the church leaders are asking our legislature to leave it up to the federal government to deal with illegal immigration. That's been the stance with other states as well, except for those state politicians, and Kolbach, who thought they'd make a name for themselves by enacting laws contrary to common sense and without forethought of the consequences.

If you don't like the status of illegal immigrants in KS, contact your Senator and Congressperson

Flap Doodle 3 years, 9 months ago

The feds are allowing our border with Mexico to be a revolving door.

Getaroom 3 years, 9 months ago

Got an idea Snappy. How about you go stick your foot in that revolving door and do something useful for a change.

kujayhawk7476 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm going to assume no one who has posted here favors illegal murder, illegal rape, illegal theft, etc., so what is it about illegal immigration that you liberal, panty-wearing, sissies love SO much?

Follow the rule of law, become a citizen acording to the process, pay taxes as the rest of us do and guess what, you're more welcome than you are now. It's a simple solution to a complex problem. Now, where are those Social Security cards we need to hand out to these "hard-working" people?

woodscolt 3 years, 9 months ago

“Our immigration policies are so restrictive. It makes it relatively impossible to legally immigrate to this country,” Naumann said.

For the chest beating bigoted haters it is really more about them damn brown people. The law is simply the club they are using.

woodscolt 3 years, 9 months ago

I think most of the chest beating bigots are directing their hatred towards the "brown people", although they can make a quick adjustment to include muslims as well. I am in no way sticking up for the catholics but I'll let you own the remark" those damn bigoted Catholics. Ask the pope. Although, one of the people featured in the article was of the methodist persuasion. Somebody else lumped it all together as being a catholic thing.

thebigspoon 3 years, 9 months ago

Agree, but then the businesses and individuals who hire them (thereby creating a reason for their being here) should follow the laws, too, and not hire them. You see, the immigration problem is not just a bunch of scuzzes from Mexico, or wherever, deciding to come here for a vacation, but an economic decision by them to try and better their lives by going where they can make a living for their families, both here and left in the home country. Take away the incentive and the immigration slows to a (manageable) trickle. But, then, that would be punishing the good citizens of America, wouldn't it? And we had damned well better not mess with American citizens' rights to hire whomever they want, should we? The fact that this would lead to higher agricultural, construction, gardening, and home care costs for those same Americans seems to be standing in the way of a workable immigration policy. Strange that the problem belongs to the immigrants and not those who provide a living for them.

bad_dog 3 years, 9 months ago

What could you possibly have against panty wearing? You'ld probably prefer we all go without, right? That's un-American, plain & simple.

woodscolt 3 years, 9 months ago

What a dilemma. The right wing pretend christians who justify anything they want because, after all, god is on their side have themselves a problem here. The phony's are at odd the the ones wearing the robes. How funny.

kawrivercrow 3 years, 9 months ago

I would ask them the following:

  1. What laws do I, as a citizen of the USA, have the right to thumb my nose at.

  2. If I break a law, such as fraud, and give the ill-gotten profits to my children, can they keep the money and can I get amnesty?

  3. If we continue to rub feces in the faces of legal immigrants by letting illegal aliens jump to the front of the line, how long will the legal immigrants continue to passively stand by, awaiting their turn?

Given the catholic church's longstanding participation in institutional child-rape, and the minimal consequences they have suffered despite such horrific actions, I wonder if the only lesson they have learned is that the law is only for non-church members to follow.

mloburgio 3 years, 9 months ago

Separation of church and state is in the Constitution, it’s called the First Amendment

woodscolt 3 years, 9 months ago

Wouldn't it be nice if we could just disqualify all politicians and political parties based on their violation of this amendment.

mloburgio 3 years, 9 months ago

Churches should stay out of politics, or be taxed.

jayhawklawrence 3 years, 9 months ago

Translation of this article: We can't trust the Kansas legislature to be able to make good decisions.

That is a wise assessment.

We still need a rational immigration policy in this country that is enforced in a humanitarian way. Doing nothing is just making it worse for everybody.

JohnBrown 3 years, 9 months ago

"Illegal immigrants" is a point of view. Any one who is not a native American is an "illegal immigrant" or off-spring there-of. Let's ask the Lakotans about their perspective of 'illegal immigration' or the "rule of law".

kawrivercrow 3 years, 9 months ago

Legal status is not point of view. It is a strictly-defined status based on federal law. I don't even think a KU liberal arts freshman is that stupid, are they.

As for the Native Americans; I bet they wish they had stopped raidng, pillaging, raping and enslaving each other in acts of tribal war long enough to organize a defense against their borders, huh?

JohnBrown 3 years, 9 months ago

"Illegal immigrants" is a point of view. Any one who is not a native American is an "illegal immigrant" or off-spring there-of. Let's ask the Lakotans about their perspective of 'illegal immigration' or the "rule of law".

Kerry Putthoff 3 years, 9 months ago

Then we should not have to subsidize the Native Americans then should we!?

kansasplains 3 years, 9 months ago

Part of the reason many Kansas react as they do is that they don't know any Mexicans or other nationalities as close friends, and they don't speak another language, so they have no idea of what their life was like growing up, or their country.

Learn another foreign language besides English! Become more aware of what's happening in the rest of the world.

And the Journal-World should do a series of interviews with people from other countries, so that many Americans, who live such closed lives, can look out and really begin to meet people from other countries.

And include a section in Spanish on the web each week for Lawrence and Kansas!

Kerry Putthoff 3 years, 9 months ago

That is the problem exactly! I should not have to learn another language because there are ILLEGALS coming into my country! Wake up! I learned spanish because I wanted too, not because I have to! If you want to become a citzen of a country then learn the language of that country! Yes, contrary to what our so called president says, this is an english speaking country! We are also a Christian nation, founded on Christian beliefs. If you don't like it, don't live here!

Phone_Man 3 years, 9 months ago

Bravo! Why should I have to tell the ATM if I want english or spanish. We are in america; if you don't know english them learn it. If you are visiting LEGALLY then have a translator or a book to translate with. if you are here illegally get the heck out!

Phone_Man 3 years, 9 months ago

Do I How this frames your argument what?

kernal 3 years, 9 months ago

A phrase about letting immigrants jump to the front of the line has been posted by two commenters, yet no explanation as to what that means. I'm mystified; where is that coming from?

"Churches should stay out of politics, or be taxed." Well, now. These days the Church is pro people and the politics seem to be pro corporations. Es que esta bien con usted?

kawrivercrow 3 years, 9 months ago

You are easily mystified, then. Legal immigrants, my wife being one of them via an H1-A to green card route, must go through a standardized process that is not easy nor free. Nor should it be.

Do you think we're going to bend over and give amnesty to a bunch of scofflaws while we toe the line, crossing every T, dotting every I and paying a lot of money to various federal orgs and attorneys? Is that really what you think? Well, we've got news for you.

Betty Adema 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree. Suggestion: those who argue compassion for illegal immigrants can open their wallets a little wider and kick in so everyone like your wife, and my husband, who have toed the line, crossed every "T" and dotted every "I" can be reimbursed for their immigration expenses. I bet their generosity will have limits.

Janice Seymour 3 years, 9 months ago

So, if you do something "illegal" (hey maybe robbing a store, etc.), it is OK if you are really just a nice person trying to get by. It is not OK if you are bad person doing bad things. Who gets to decide if the illegal activity applies to them or not? It is illegal for a reason. I have seriously thought about learning Spanish (and probably will), but it burns because I have to know it to communicate with those who have come here but can't be bothered to learn our language.

kansasplains 3 years, 9 months ago

No, that is not the best reason for learning Spanish. People who come here must learn English. But rather it is because there is no other way to expand your knowledge to include other people of other traditions. Or do you not care at all about any other traditions? Do you not care to have friends from other countries?

jhawkinsf 3 years, 9 months ago

The argument you make is a good one, but can be expanded to learning about any language or any culture on the planet. There is no more reason for me to learn Spanish than there is for a Spanish speaker to learn Russian or Mandarin. As a nation of immigrants from around the world, we must speak one common language. That language is English.

Renee Slinkard 3 years, 9 months ago

With the open borders, terrorism, murder, rape, drugs and human trafficing this is not the time to be allowing illegals in our great State of Kansas. We do not need to make it easy for illegal to migrate and we definitely do not need to incentivize them to migrate here and set up house with our tax dollars and jobs. We have a high unemployment rate and many soldiers are coming home that will not have jobs due to illegals and probably illegals with false identification. Lets get e-verify, reverse in-state tuition and penalize those that harbor illegal aliens which is a felon. The Catholic Conference should be obeying the laws of the land. Go to www.kcfile.org to sign a Petition to stop illegal immigration in Kansas.

Renee Slinkard 3 years, 9 months ago

The child that is brought here by illegal parents can just like any other child who travels with their parents return to the parents native country since they are a minor. This is not the time to allow easy citizenship to illegal aliens when our country is vunerable of crime from open borders, and on the economic side high unemployment.

ivalueamerica 3 years, 9 months ago

such an opinion is strangely lacking in common sense, compassion or reality.

People who are unable to think through the reality of such a thing need further education.

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