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Kansans for No Income Tax hit the road to spread message of abolishing state income tax

November 4, 2011, 11:06 a.m. Updated November 4, 2011, 11:57 a.m.

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— A Kansas group, partially funded by a Missouri billionaire and using a bus with an Alabama license tag, started its tour on Friday to spread its message to abolish the Kansas income tax.

"The only way to spur economic growth is to eliminate the income tax," said Ashley McMillan, president of Kansans for No Income Tax.

The group started its tour in Topeka and planned stops in Leavenworth, Pittsburg and Wichita.

Outside the Statehouse, about 35 people gathered, mostly Republicans and Republican staff members.

State Reps. Richard Carlson, R-St. Marys, who is chairman of the House Tax Committee, and Joe Patton, R-Topeka, spoke, as did Dave Trabert, president of the Kansas Public Policy Institute, and representatives from FairTaxKC.

Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican, did not appear at the event, but his chief of staff, David Kensinger did. Kensinger said he showed up because he was promised hot chocolate.

Brownback has said he wants to get rid of the state income tax and his administration is working behind closed doors to propose a major tax overhaul for the 2012 legislative session, which starts in January.

Brownback, and Kansans for No Income Tax, say getting rid of the levy will spur economic growth, similar to Texas, which doesn't have a state income tax. But Democrats and some Republicans say it will force increases in other taxes, cuts in services, or both. They also say Kansas shouldn't use Texas as an example since Texas lags Kansas in many quality of life areas, such as education, roads and social services.

The issue is likely to be one of the most contentious of the upcoming session.

In the last fiscal year, Kansas brought in about $5.8 billion in tax revenue. Of that amount, about $3 billion came from state income taxes -- approximately $2.8 billion from individual income taxes and $225 million from corporate income taxes.

It was reported in recent days that Missouri anti-tax billionaire Rex Sinquefield has contributed to Kansans for No Income Tax. Sinquefield and McMillan have refused to say how much he contributed.

"We enjoy support from folks in Kansas and like-minded folks throughout the United States and we are very pleased with that," McMillan said.

When asked why the Kansas for Income Tax bus has an Alabama tag, McMillan said, "That's the bus that was available to us."

During the 2010 gubernatorial campaign, Brownback was criticized by some for leasing a campaign bus from an Alabama company for use on his campaign.

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atiopatioo 2 years, 5 months ago

The people that don't make any money need to get some skin in the game. Freeloaders can always use their feet and move to Missouri.

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zzgoeb 2 years, 5 months ago

The most important bit here is the corps paid $225 million versus everyone else's billions!!! Really? The Koch bros make $225 mill. in an hour. There is the rub...tax the corps at the same rate as the workers!!!

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parco814 2 years, 5 months ago

Kensinger shows up just for hot chocolate. Aw, what a cute little rascal he is.

Texas has worse roads, public education, and social services than Kansas does? That's mind-boggling. Well, give Browbeat and the Cocoa Kid time, we'll snatch those sorry laurels from the great state of Rick Perry soon enough.

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Centerville 2 years, 5 months ago

All that tax preparation time and all that earned money thrown to the politicians, rather than used wisely - by the person who earned it.

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Joe Hyde 2 years, 5 months ago

KNIT and Gov. Brownback are talking like people wearing paper hats and blowing party whistles.

Kill the state income tax and a huge rectangular shaped piece of the Midwest crumbles into something resembling Dogpatch, USA.

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George Lippencott 2 years, 5 months ago

The issue is not and never has been the use of public facilities - that is njust a stupid argument. The issue is how muh we can afford to spend on them. See:

http://www2.ljworld.com/weblogs/loyal-opposition/2011/nov/5/austerity/

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tomatogrower 2 years, 5 months ago

"Kansans for No Income Tax hit the road to spread message of abolishing state income tax"

Well, they better not hit the road too hard. If it were up to them there wouldn't be enough money to repair it. In fact, if they don't want to pay taxes, then they need to get off our roads. My taxes go to pay for it; I don't want these bums on my roads. i wonder if they think the roads just magically appear, and the companies who repair them do it out of the goodness of their own hearts. They live in some weird fantasy world. Do you think it's a mass psychotic break?

Don't want to pay taxes? Then stay off of tax funded roads.

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mr_right_wing 2 years, 5 months ago

Maybe Kansas State Income Tax should be voluntary.....sounds like most of you would still be willing to pay even if it weren't the law.....

.....right??

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uglyrumor 2 years, 5 months ago

corporate tax rates need to be higher. people who make less than a million a year should pay no taxes. corporations were established in this country as a means to serve the welfare of the public, if someone made a good living that was a bonus. tax the rich.

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Katara 2 years, 5 months ago

"Kensinger said he showed up because he was promised hot chocolate." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This sounds like a man who would enjoy a hot cocoa sampler box for Xmas.

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Liberty275 2 years, 5 months ago

It isn't by accident we will move to Florida when we can sell our house. No state income tax made the deal. I would have rather mover a little further up the Atlantic coast so my wife could visit her family easier, but somewhere around St. Augustine is going to have to do.

It doesn't hurt that St. Augustine is such a cool place.

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JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 5 months ago

Why is it always billionaires like this clown and the Koch Brothers that complain about taxes? How much is enough? The great thing about America is that we aspire for everyone who works hard to have a chance to succeed. Many public investments make this chance realistic. Among these are public education, public roads, and law enforcement. The 20 second commerical on TV that just says "I'll cut your taxes" sounds generally good. What they don't tell us on that commercial is what services will be cut. I don't like writing a check to Wal-Mart anymore than I do to Uncle Sam. I do it because Wal-Mart has things I want to buy just like city, county, state and federal governments provide services I expect. Paying taxes is a patriotic obligation for people who love our country. Could government be more effecient...certainly. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Don't be fooled by Brownback, the Koch Brothers, the Policy Institute or others who relentlessly push for lower taxes and less government regulation. Afganistan tried that and it didn't really work out for them...we don't need that type of cultural revolution or great leap backward here.

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Liberty_One 2 years, 5 months ago

Less taxes means more prosperity for the masses. Why are so many people against the poor getting a better life?

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

The RINO's have been yakking up less and less taxes yet no matter what the jobs keep disappearing. Obviously this is a failed concept just like their home loan criminal sprees.

Fewer taxes and less government actually leads to fewer jobs and kills small business. Why? Because fewer and fewer of OUR tax dollars make it into the economy that definitely stimulate business and spending thus more and more employment.

RINO's aka Tea Party aka whatever is dreamed up next = a monster failed experiment!

Socialism cannot be too bad as local developers thrive on it and local economies need it from a variety of sources.

Private industry is the most dependable source of fraud and home loan scams and for taking out retirement plans and medical insurance.

How is the Brownback team of NOT economic giants going to make up the loss? That's what is missing from the discussion. Grab your wallets as the cost of living will increase.

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CherylHudspeth 2 years, 5 months ago

The issue for Kansas is funding for public education. Gov. Brownback wants control of the funding level which is actual in the hands of the courts. Education funding is ultimately approved by the courts, because the legislature has previously tried to undermine the mandate for public education in the Kansas Constitution. Let's hope we are not in a race to the bottom with Missouri's public education system.

Texas has more tax authorities than any state I know of. A home owner in Texas might receive a separate tax bill from the city, county and service districts (K-12 schools, community college, hospital, fire, police and ambulance) as well as utilities (water, sewer, flood, road). I have seen more than a dozen tax bills on a single residential property.

There are no apples to apples comparisons on the list of states that don't have income taxes. Most have either higher sales or property tax then Kansas.

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Gareth 2 years, 5 months ago

Ignorant Hayseeds will always get taken in by hucksters shilling for the Bosses. Wrap Jesus in the American flag, and the stupid rubes will do anything they're told.

It's sad.

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 5 months ago

Wake up, middle and lower class Kansans.

These snake oil salesmen are stealing your futures.

Then again, you will probably get what you deserve for your blind loyalty to the GOP and their social issues (god, guns, gays, and blastocysts).

Me? I'm rich. I will be just fine. Better off, even.

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its_just_math 2 years, 5 months ago

Libs really have a hankerin' for taxes. Rothschild has a hankerin' for hot choccylate.

"Kensinger said he showed up because he was promised hot chocolate."

Rothschild, how you keep your job is a myst.....uuuh, no it's not a mystery. Joke if there ever was one.

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scary_manilow 2 years, 5 months ago

I stumbled upon this today by accident. "35 people" is a generous estimate-- my head count was 19, including the folks who came on the bus. Obviously an issue with a huge groundswell of public support! Of course, Brownbutt will instate it, regardless, as a gladhand to the Billionaire Boys Club.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 5 months ago

Remember that the current regime has saved or created 8 gazillion jobs.

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 5 months ago

Cutting taxes always seems attractive. Defining what, if any, level of services a state wants is the first step. A good tax mix usually is about 1/3 income, sales and property. If it gets too far out of balance, the economy and services can yo yo up and down. We need to have a good conversation about this and try to skip the ideologies and the magical thinking. Clearly there is much of this going on throughout the political spectrum. As for me, I'd support a 15% flax tax on all incomes with no deductions and a 10-15% consumption or VAT tax on all goods and services except for basic foods and prescription medications. It's interesting to watch these things rage on the blogs. If the people want lower taxes and fewer services, they can certainly promote those ideas to their legislators. 90%+ of Kansas' general fund is for education and services. After you factor in the 66% for preK-16 education, the rest goes mainly to the poor, the disabled, the sick and the elderly. There isn't much else to cut from the other few percent.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 5 months ago

""The only way to spur economic growth is to eliminate the income tax," said Ashley McMillan, president of Kansans for No Income Tax."

Says who?

This has been said for about 30 some years. Where is the economic growth? And the millions of jobs?

Where is the hard evidence? About time somebody demanded a ton of hard evidence instead of accepting political rhetoric.

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FieldTested 2 years, 5 months ago

As far as I have been able to find examples, cutting income taxes on the wealthy has never improved an economy. All it seem to do is take money from an organization which very efficiently turns money into jobs - the government - and shifts it to the super wealthy who turn money into a slight increase in the treasure hoard they sit on (many argue the jobs gov't spending creates are not as "valuable" as private sector jobs, but those gov't workers sure seem to buy the same things the rest of us do).

I'm not arguing the morality of one or the other position, just stating what seems obvious to most objective observers. Cutting income taxes reduces the total number of jobs in an economy.

I welcome counter-examples - I just haven't seen any.

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ToriFreak13 2 years, 5 months ago

I understand most people die to complain about something...are just natural complainers. There are already states that thrive without collecting income tax. I don't get how many of you think this means the state will have less money. First of all there will be no need to for half of the Department of Revenue if they eliminate that tax. That actually saves the state a ton of money. It takes a huge monkey off the back of many small businesses that struggle with the paperwork as well as paying the taxes when they are due. That alone will give most small businesses the room they need to hire one or two more employees. So imagine every business in town hiring 1 more person. The Poor: The poorest in the state that should be using state assistance are already exempt from sales tax on foods, and on nonexempt items will only be paying more sales tax with state provided funds anyway, aka the taxes the rich pay into the system. Oh and hey, those poor that are holding a job, have no more state taxes being withheld so have more cash to buy the things food stamps don't cover. The Rich: How would it make the rich richer when they will now be paying higher taxes through their businesses and properties they own to make up for that lost revenue? They are the ones buying the big ticket items in this economy anyway. So we should be all for raising the tax on the items the rich feel are so necessary or obligated to buy to keep up with the Jones's. I think because this is being pitched by a Republican many of you just throw a tomato without actually thinking about this. All income taxing does is collect money from the working public, to redistribute it. We are paying the State of Kansas to do that. I'm pretty sure most of you know how inefficient the government is at doing anything. So why keep paying them to do this? How many checks were sent to dead people the last 5 years? Are you comfortable with privatizing your tax collecting and enforcement? If the Republicans were out to be evil, they could easily create a wave of enforcement of the Consumption Tax where you are all supposed to itemize anything you buy from yard sales, or online that you do not pay tax on. Lets see the numbers.

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tbaker 2 years, 5 months ago

Compare the economies of states without income taxes to those with. For that matter, look at those with flat income taxes too. Nuff said, unless you don't like keeping what your work for and earn. Government should be funded on sales tax. Taking money someone had to earn is wrong.

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RobertMarble 2 years, 5 months ago

people, for once try to consider an issue without your partisan views- I haven't studied this issue enough to advocate either way but all the partisan bickering and comments aren't exactly productive. There are plenty of examples to review for facts and comparisons...oregon has no sales tax but does have income tax; just across the border in washington they have sales tax but no income tax...there are positives and negatives to both...but in kansas you have both a sales AND income tax...seems like with a little better planning you could do better. do your homework before slamming an idea just because of petty loyalty to one party of the other

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missmagoo 2 years, 5 months ago

Whether your income is 30,000 or 300,000 or 3,000,000... I'm all in favor of getting my 6% back!

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Getaroom 2 years, 5 months ago

What, yet another ruse! How about removing the sales tax on food and clothing and begin there? This is nothing short of handing out more to the already very wealthy! It is plain and simple. This plan will simply load more onto the shoulders of those of us who can least afford it - which by the way happens to be most of us. Sounds really exciting doesn't it?! Oh, marvelous I don't have to pay State tax anymore! Hurrah! Don't buy into it sheeples, it is a trick with no treat. It has the face of "getting government out of our lives" doesn't it, but really it is a backdoor and set up for Neocon politicians and Corporations to gain greater power over the decision making process. Has anyone in Lawrence, any voting adult, felt regret about putting Brownbackward in office, anyone who voted for him that is, or who did not vote at all? OK, spell this word with me really carefully and then look up it's meaning and see if you can find any similarities to what is happening right now and all over this country.
O L I G A R C Y. Now that was easy right? OK, now try to get rid of it once it's intrenched. And you thought that this supposed scary, black, secret muslim, foreign born, Fascist, Socialist, Guns/Ammo busting President was bad? Just you keep supporting these wanna be religious dictator like folks and you will know real fear. Flat taxers, Flat earthers, No State taxers - all they want is to get their scrubby hands on power - bottom line. Until more 99%ers wake up from the numb sleep they are obviously in and add opposing voices to the status quo, the future is bleak and getting more bleak with each passing day of a head-in-the-sand existence.
Why have the Oh, so patriotic Republicans( a few Democrats) not supported any job creating bills or brought one of their own? Because they want to support their own agenda of making the rich richer, holding onto their own current or potential wealth. 30 years and counting of concentrating wealth into the smallest number of hands, making more and more money by having money, cutting jobs to create greater profits for shareholders, weakening opportunities for income equity. Does this sound like the American Dream? The Repubs keep repeating the mantric lie: it is the wealthy who are creating the jobs so we can't possibly tax them further, it simply is not true. The top 1% go from roughly $400, 000 year to billions. Do you think that one less luxury boat, or home, or car will cause a collapse of the counties economy, or their own. NO it won't, not even close. True, we cannot tax our way out this mess, but you know what? Not taxing the very wealthy is no way to go either. To steal a line, "Driver, move that bus"! Move that bus out of Kansas and back to whatever backcountry liers-hole it came out of.

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BABBOY 2 years, 5 months ago

Bunch of selfish freaks. Just like the tea party. Waiving the flag and whinning about taxes does mean you love your country......

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monheim 2 years, 5 months ago

"But Democrats and some Republicans say it will force increases in other taxes, cuts in services, or both."

Duuuuurrr? Isn't this like saying "If it rains, stuff will get wet"?

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guesswho 2 years, 5 months ago

nine states have no state income tax: Alaska Florida Nevada South Dakota Texas Washington Wyoming

Nevada and Florida until recently received lots of revenue from hotel taxes through tourism. Kansas isn't likely to have a lot of tourism revenue Texas has ports and oil. Kansas, very little oil.

Kansas doesn't have a lot of resources and i don't see how eliminating a state tax will spur growth. Very fuzzy math.

I imagine a lot of schools in Western Kansas will not be able to raise enough local property taxes to keep schools open.

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KUnlv13 2 years, 5 months ago

No state income tax here in Nevada- look how splendid we're doing! Although it isn't the sole cause, we're certainly on a national level at the bottom of the good lists and top of the bad lists!

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Alexander Smith 2 years, 5 months ago

Yep, rich get richer. The state has less money. MORE teachers lose their jobs. Education drops to even lower levels. Roads get worse. Emergency support funds dry up... humm REALLLlll Smart.

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MarcoPogo 2 years, 5 months ago

Ah, the biting wit of David Kensinger...

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edjayhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Not paying income taxes means that vital services i.e. fire, police will have to be downsized and the quality of service will decrease, or rid of completely. Then the rich will have the money to pay for these services privatedly.

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seriouscat 2 years, 5 months ago

Taxes are just government forcibly stealing the wealth that hard working people create by the sweat of their own hard hard work. Obviously taxes should just be abolished altogether, because they ruin freedom. If we got rid of taxes, everything will be better and everyone will be free to get rich rich rich! BOOYAH!

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justanotherface 2 years, 5 months ago

How about getting rid of personal property tax also? Get rid of both!

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johnnyreb 2 years, 5 months ago

Journalist Scott Rothchild = LOL

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jhawk926 2 years, 5 months ago

So let me get this straight...the rich will get richer due to no income tax...then we will raise something like sales tax again, so that the poor get poorer...then Brownback's buddies win! When are Kansans going to realize this guy is not good for us?

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