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Anti-tax Missouri billionaire contributing to effort to repeal Kansas state income tax

November 2, 2011, 10:24 a.m. Updated November 2, 2011, 4:50 p.m.

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— A Missouri billionaire and Ronald Reagan economist are driving the anti-income tax bus in Kansas.

And Gov. Sam Brownback is ready to turn the ignition key.

Brownback says in a video on his Facebook page that he wants a tax system that is “flatter, simpler, fairer.”

“That is going to be a centerpiece issue in the legislative session,” which starts in January, he said.

Coinciding with Brownback’s previous statements to reduce state income taxes is a new group called Kansans for No Income Tax, which will be taking a bus tour Friday and Saturday to spread its message.

The group, led by Republican operatives, is being funded in part by St. Louis anti-tax billionaire Rex Sinquefield, according to the Kansas City Star.

Sinquefield is also working to abolish the state income tax in Missouri and replace it with a higher state sales tax on a wider variety of goods and services.

His spokesman declined to say how much Sinquefield has contributed to the anti-income tax group in Kansas. Since Kansans for No Income Tax is registered as a nonprofit, its donors and how much they gave can be kept secret. In Missouri, Sinquefield contributed $1.3 million to a group seeking to do away with the income tax there. Last year, he contributed $11 million to other initiatives to repeal taxes in Missouri.

Kansas Democrats criticized the involvement of a Missourian in the Kansas tax debate. “KNIT (Kansans for No Income Tax) claims it’s working for the best interest of Kansans. If that were the case, they’d give Rex Sinquefield his donation back,” the party said.

Ashley McMillan, president of Kansans for No Income Tax, said she wouldn’t comment on the Democrats’ suggestion to return the donation.

McMillan said her group enjoys broad support from Kansans as well as like-minded people across the nation. She declined to say how much the group has received in donations and from whom.

Sinquefield is also president of the Show-Me Institute, which describes itself as a think tank that advocates free-market principles.

At the institute’s 2010 open house, economist Arthur Laffer gave the keynote speech. Laffer, who has been hired as a consultant by the Brownback administration, gained prominence during the Reagan administration when he served as an economic adviser. He and Brownback espouse tax cuts as a way to generate economic growth.

Laffer helped write the most recent edition of the American Legislative Exchange Council’s “Rich States, Poor States.” The foreword was written by Brownback.

The Brownback administration is paying Laffer $75,000 to help with plans to reform the Kansas tax code.

That plan is being designed behind closed doors but is expected to be rolled out soon after Friday’s new state revenue estimate.

Kansas Democrats and some Republicans have voiced concerns about doing away with the state personal and corporate income tax, saying that would result in cuts to needed services and increase local property and sales taxes.

Comments

Paul R Getto 3 years, 5 months ago

Nice he can help out. I'm sure his motives are pure. Not sure the Supremes did us any favors with the recent decision on these matters, but we'll see how it goes.

deec 3 years, 5 months ago

An amendment bill has been introduced to rectify that particular wrong, although it will be a long road: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/11/02/358694/senators-introduce-citizens-united-amendment/

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

"He supports efforts to eliminate Missouri's income tax and replace it with a higher state sales tax on a wider variety of goods and services."

And let me guess-- these goods and services are ones that are primarily used by the working and middle classes.

Dontcha just love class warfare?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

Here's a better idea-- remove/reduce sales and property taxes, especially those that affect people with fixed and/or low income the most, and replace them with higher income taxes on those earning over $100,000.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

Raise taxes on the rich, and they're still rich. Raise taxes on the working and middle classes, and their lifestyles go from acceptably comfortable to marginal, or even from bad to worse.

Now which ways sound more like the result of "warfare" to you?

Liberty275 3 years, 5 months ago

Everyone should be treated equally so there will be no class in America to have wars over. Make it a flat 10% for everyone that earns money.

voevoda 3 years, 5 months ago

That plan, Liberty275, would mean that minimum-wage earners would slowly starve while the people who are already rich would get richer. I don't care if the rich get richer, but I do care, deeply, if the poor get poorer. If it has to be one or the other, I vote in favor of giving a tax break to the poor instead of to the rich. That's a stance based in Christian morality.

Liberty275 3 years, 5 months ago

OK, allow any family below the poverty line a free pass. No income tax at all for them. We'll cut a program or two to make up the difference.

I say we cut all funding for npr/pbs and any non-endowed assistance to the arts to give people in poverty a break. They aren't loosing much since they don't generally go for that stuff.

Are you willing to give up state-sponsored art so people can eat?

voevoda 3 years, 5 months ago

Government support for the arts is such a tiny portion of the budget that even eliminating it doesn't make a noticeable impact on the budget. It does deprive quite a few working artists of essential income, though, lowering them into poverty. Look at the consequences in Kansas: a minimal amount of money saved, and a huge amount in grants lost. You are wrong if you think that poor people don't watch/listen to npr/pbs. Their programming for children is tops, and many, many children in poor families watch it.
When the US actually doesn't have enough money--rather than too few people willing to pay taxes--then funding to the arts can be cut in the same proportion as subsidies to business, highway building, military, foreign aid, congressional salaries, etc.

jafs 3 years, 5 months ago

That's always an interesting area.

We'd need some sort of sliding scale, to bring net income to the poverty level, until it could get to the nominal amount (ie. 10%).

If we wanted to do that, that is.

lunacydetector 3 years, 5 months ago

warren buffet's company, berkshire hathaway, owes the federal government over $1 billion dollars in taxes and has fought paying it for over 10 years. warren buffet said the rich should pay their fair share....any defense for warren from the liberals on here, or is it okay to not pay since he is an obama backer?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

Why should I defend Warren Buffet? He can probably afford however many high-priced lawyers he needs to defend him.

But I'm curious. Do you think he (and others in his position) should pay higher taxes?

lunacydetector 3 years, 5 months ago

15.1% of the population live in poverty and 50% of the population don't pay any taxes. not including those in poverty, should the 35% not paying any taxes pay taxes?

jafs 3 years, 5 months ago

Your numbers are off a bit.

Something like 47% don't pay any "federal income taxes", which is substantially different from "any taxes".

And, it's very interesting that the group who came up with that number have said it is being misused and misunderstood by those on the right.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

Everyone pays taxes. Which makes your question pretty irrelevant.

pace 3 years, 5 months ago

Even the homeless pay taxes. You seem to be lost in fox land. I hope you come on and say, well I meant a specific tax, not all tax. At least you would be more responsible for your statements. "50% of the nation don't pay any taxes" is just absolutely wrong. If you are going to present argument for replacing income tax with sales tax , present it. Don't just type words that you feel, think it through. Thinking an argument through will change your feelings. Life isn't a cheer leading exercise.

Alexander Smith 3 years, 5 months ago

Well before you make a comment like that. Chances are Warren is right, there is more info to this then we know. The IRS is known for hosing up taxes and overcharging people. So, before you blast liberals and Obama, do your research. Its amazing how GOP people do so little of it. They like to do witch hunts and play on peoples fears. They remind me of gossipers at a hair solon. I defend Warren because he is the man with the golden touch, he comes from the old school of work hard, play fair, and make things grow. I have a long time family friend that worked for Mr. Buffet and he is a hard person to work for...but he is a honest one and playes with in the law and morally right. PLUS.. if you think about it.. here we have one of the USA's most successful business person in history.. and HE is saying the tax system is broken... HUMMMM don't you think that MAYBE he is right.. and you are wrong??? I think his success stands for something.

1arrowheaddrive 3 years, 5 months ago

I can't believe that people want to pay less in taxes and really don't care too much about what happens to everyone else.

Liberty275 3 years, 5 months ago

I can't believe other people think they are entitled to the money I go to work for every morning. I really enjoy my job, but I really hate getting up at the crack of dawn.

As for caring... about you, no. I don't know you from a hole in the ground. My neighbor, sure. Whatever I have is at his disposal and if he needs a few bucks, I'll pay him to fix something or buy something he has for sale.

I care for the people that care for me. The rest are none of my business.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 5 months ago

Sooo I guess you will build your own roads, educate your kids yourself, boil your own water from the crick, haul your trash to the dump every week (and pay the people that own the dump for the privelege) or just build your own midden pile, pray to God your house never catches fire and build ten foot walls a foot thick around your house with gun turrets to make sure no one tries to take it away from you. I see.

Liberty275 3 years, 5 months ago

Weak Strawman. Fail.

I'll pay my taxes for the common good, like we all should. As for people that are down and out, I'll kick in for job training and unemployment. The feeble - the deserve some sort of life, so I'll be glad to help. OTOH, maybe it's time the SRS stopped paying for car repairs and as much for section 8 housing.

As for god, it's a myth. As for my house, don't worry yourself over it. If it burns, I'm headed for Florida. But stay off my lawn till I'm gone.

jafs 3 years, 5 months ago

You know, this post kind of contradicts your above post.

I like this one a bit better.

By the way, we've had that hurricane in Florida that you were waiting for - I thought you were going to get a great deal on a house down there?

jafs 3 years, 5 months ago

Article 1, Section 8 of the constitution shows clearly that we weren't founded as a libertarian nation.

voevoda 3 years, 5 months ago

That's a very unchristian attitude you have, Liberty275. Imagine if God felt the same way you do.

skinny 3 years, 5 months ago

Why should someone who gets an education, works hard all their life pay more in taxes than someone who refuses to better themselfs? Anyboby can be sucessful, all they have to do is work a little! You can not rob Peter to pay Paul! It won't work!

pace 3 years, 5 months ago

If one's earning is sucked by paying not only their taxes but a billionaire's share, it isn't fair. I never dreamt of being a billionaire, I like taking care of my family, taking care of my bills, don't mind I am not rich, do mind the rich are robbing my family, through a corrupt congress, laws and policy. I don't think economic inequality is right, and it harms the nation's economy, productivity, security, children's and family's health. You are deluded if you think only billionaires or even millionaires are educated, worked hard all their life. You are deluded if you dismiss everyone that isn't a billionaire as not working hard. It isn't the middle class wanting the wealthiest to pay for them, we are being killed carrying their water.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

One little thought problem that I like to throw out occasionally-- What would happen to the economy if the top 1% were to go on strike for a couple of weeks? And what would happen if the bottom 80% did the same? Which would have a more drastic effect?

The fans of elitism never seem to want to take that one on.

pace 3 years, 5 months ago

the top 1% has been on strike for decades, not paying their fair share for decades and you can see how that has been for the economy and the deficit. It is time they carry their own water.

sherbert 3 years, 5 months ago

What is 'their fair share'? Seems like the only fair tax would be a flat tax. Everyone pays the same percentage of whatever they make. One guys % might be $500,000, while the other guys % might be $1,000. Why not? The only problem with this is convincing the 47% who currently don't have to pay ANYTHING in Federal taxes!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

"One guys % might be $500,000, "

And after paying that rather sizable sum, this person is still quite wealthy.

"while the other guys % might be $1,000."

For the person paying this tax, the difference between paying it and not paying it may make the difference between his and his family's being able to pay rent 12 months of the year, and eat 365 days rather than only being able to pay rent 10 months of the year, and eating sufficiently on only 325 days.

"Why not?"

The reasons "why not" all have to do with fundamental unfairness and lack of compassion.

And yet you want to claim the reason "why" is because it's "fair."

You don't want fair. You want simplistic. Calling this idea anything but the "Unfair Tax" is a page right out of 1984.

Mike1949 3 years, 5 months ago

That is because the other 47% can't put food on the table, pay for another week's worth of gas, and he/she still has to get up at 5 am and still go to work or he/she will be sleeping in the street in a cardboard box. I get my disabled body up 5 days a week, cry myself asleep at night because of the pain and people call me lazy. Those people are the ones that has and is making this country a third world country!

pace 3 years, 5 months ago

mus You are right, I don't think crime is cool. If that is your position, it is your right and my right to say such simplistic statements are , well goofy. It is no utopian wet dream (tells us a little about your deficiency) to say the billionaires should not have economic laws and policy to put their load on the middle class. It is ruining our economy, You seem to think attacking a persons character is the same as understanding and discussing the GINI Coefeicient. If you want to denigrate character rather than argue issue, that is your right but it does mean you are being lazy.

jafs 3 years, 5 months ago

This is a strange argument you hear sometimes from some on the right, akin to "life isn't fair".

It seems to ignore the obvious fact that we create societies and policies based on ideas, and one of those ideas is to create a fair society.

jafs 3 years, 5 months ago

If you continue to respond to my posts after being asked several times to stop, I'll report your conduct to the moderators again.

pace 3 years, 5 months ago

If you are unable to understand a big word, try one of the many online dictionaries.

pace 3 years, 5 months ago

I hope you are considering going under a doctor's care.

beatrice 3 years, 5 months ago

"better themselfs"

Thanks for the unintended laugh.

tomatogrower 3 years, 5 months ago

So, Mr. Johnson, you have no respect for those people serve you in restaurants, the secretaries, the receptionists, the people who work in factories, etc.? In your weird world everyone would have a degree, but then who would pave the roads? Why shouldn't the people doing the real physical work to keep our world running not be paid a living wage, not rich, a living wage? I'm all for giving tax cuts to rich people who do not take their factories out of the US and who pay their workers a living wage. Otherwise they can pay taxes to support their slave workers who they don't pay enough to rent an apartment and feed their children. Or they can just move out of the US completely. I'll close the door as they leave. It would at least give the people who have good ideas, but no connections to thrive. And maybe they will appreciate the people who work to make their dream come true. None of the 1%, none, would be there without their workers. You can have all of the most wonderful ideas, but they can't be implemented without the workers.

formergrocerybagger 3 years, 5 months ago

Absolutely! any Boby! can better themselfs! George, Tom, Bill, Henry, Mark, Steve, Emily, Ashley, Nicole, Brenda, Angela, Stacy- your out of luck. Change your name to Boby and you will do fine.

Liberty275 3 years, 5 months ago

Back in the south, we'd call them "theyuns", or if we were speaking formally it would be "yonder folks".

skinny 3 years, 5 months ago

There ought to be one flat tax and everyone pays the same.

Alexander Smith 3 years, 5 months ago

that is the worst idea next to the one in this article. If we set it at like 10%. The normal person income which i believe is around 30k would have only 27k gross.. granted after all expenses (especially after daycare and medical expenses) your looking at a lot less.

now if one makes say 150K.. thats only 15K in taxes.. sounds like a lot..but in reality.. its not. That person has 100K gross left.

A little unfair. Once again it benefits the wealthy but hurts the rich. Especially the more money they make.

Now if they would do a flat tax for gross pay brackets.. that wold be different. Say 1k to 40k pay 5% 41k to 100k Pay 9% 101k to 500k % pay 20 percent 501k and up pay 30 percent.

This would work.. but haveing a percentage that is the same for all pay levels is wrong and greedy by the rich.

jhawk0097 3 years, 5 months ago

More disposable income for the rich to invest in passive revenue streams (and no capital gains tax of course), less for the poor and middle class so they must work for every penny 'til the day they die.. More money for the rich to spend on lavish Sweet 16 b-day parties, less money for the middle class and poor to provide food, shelter, health care, and college tuition for their families.

A flat tax would be a great way to keep the boot heel of the rich on the throat of the rest of us. Brilliant plan.

sciencegeek 3 years, 5 months ago

A Missouri billionaire should change the rules in Missouri. If he wants the rules changed in Kansas, he should move to Kansas.

Bet he's not the only out-of-state financing this group.

Andrew Michael 3 years, 5 months ago

Texas operates just fine w/out state income tax, you guys are acting like he's not paying federal income tax... his motives probably are just fine.

jafs 3 years, 5 months ago

Except of course for the projected $27 billion deficit.

And, the terribly poor levels of education.

And, the very high levels of minimum wage jobs.

Etc.

oldvet 3 years, 5 months ago

jafs (anonymous) replies…

Source?

October 19, 2011 at 8:19 a.m.

Andrew Michael 3 years, 5 months ago

There is some great education there as well... it's not Kansas but look at KCMO. The numbers are higher in Tx based on population and higher number of lower income... in Ks we're very lucky to not have such a large number of people born into citizenship w/ adults who don't give a crap about education.

pace 3 years, 5 months ago

I have spent real time in Texas, just because Perry says it is a wonderland you shouldn't buy it. They, like Alaska, have tax moneys coming from their resources. Texas is going through some real rough times and environmentally have damaged their soil and children more than many states..

average 3 years, 5 months ago

Kansas has lower unemployment than Texas. And it has every single month of the recession. Kansas has better schools, better roads, lower poverty, healthier kids, etc, etc.

What is the deep-seated inferiority complex among Kansans, particularly Kansas Republicans (who've been running the show for decades and could claim a lot of credit), that we have to go and emulate what they do in STATES THAT ARE DOING WORSE?

chootspa 3 years, 5 months ago

Other than the education system, the high unemployment, the low wages, the lower level of insured citizens, the high worker injury rate, and one of the highest effective property tax rates in the nation, sure. They operate just fine.

Alexander Smith 3 years, 5 months ago

LOL he is looking out for his greedy life style to make sure he can spend more money on his own personal pleasures and screwing over the middle class and lower. This is the worst idea ever. By getting rid of state tax, that does put more money in your pocket up front but in the long run it hurts the middle and lower class even more. Once again, its events like this that prove that many of the GOP are hypocrites and state one thing but yet have don't live by their own words.

Stuart Sweeney 3 years, 5 months ago

This is all King Sam could hope for--a thug with fat pockets to help him beat down the middle class and the poor.

verity 3 years, 5 months ago

As has been said many a time before---yes, there is a class war and the upper classes are winning. Trickle down has been tried and doesn't work. What is actually happening is trickle up and many of the policies now being suggested and passed are making the upward trickle more like a backwards waterfall.

I do find it a little, well actually a lot, troublesome that this guy is interfering in Kansas policies. Makes the playing field even more uneven.

chootspa 3 years, 5 months ago

Why do you slavishly insist on that particular strawman?

verity 3 years, 5 months ago

Yes, the wealthiest among us want even more of the working/middle class's money given to them. I doubt, though, that too many of them are bothering to post on this forum.

tomatogrower 3 years, 5 months ago

Do the real math, these people wouldn't be rich without the workers, yet they now despise their workers and try to do the same work with fewer workers, thus creating more unemployment, so the people who they kept on the job have to accept the lousy wages and make do. But the rich can't be bothered to care for the poor they have created. And they can't be bothered to pay for the war from which they profit.

They don't even care that the workers can't buy as much anymore, because they are selling goods and services to the highly populated China that is becoming a bigger consumer culture. They could care less about the US. I think we should ask them to leave. Go to China. Let us begin again. They don't want to be a part of our community? They have no loyalty to the US? Get out.

tomatogrower 3 years, 5 months ago

Give me a break! The income tax is not unconstitutional. That has been proven over and over. And the revolution was taxation by a king. We don't like kings, from England or Missouri. It was taxation without representation. We, at least those of us who still vote and aren't too busy watching TV, are represented.

Why aren't you wanting to revolt against those billionaires who take factories out of the country, don't pay a decent wage to their workers, make money off of oil futures which cause you to pay more at the pump, etc.? Why shouldn't they be required to pay more taxes to pay for the poverty they have created? Do you really think that the 1% will let you lick their boots one day?

jafs 3 years, 5 months ago

Read Article 1, Section 8 of the constitution.

jafs 3 years, 5 months ago

I think that's not the right interpretation of the term uniform.

My take would be that it means that federal income tax rates are uniform from state to state, which they are.

tomatogrower 3 years, 5 months ago

"Gas prices? That's what happens when you buy all your oil from people who don't like you. You get the bad end of the stick. Although, sometimes I think our government is smart for not tapping our oil. Someday, when we are dead unfortunately, we will have the last laugh when their oil is gone and ours is preserved. Then, it's payback time...."

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/04/oil_roulette.html So the oil speculators who make big bucks from oil futures have nothing to do with this? And oil companies setting record profits every quarter have nothing to do with this? And everything in the world is black and white? us vs them?

voevoda 3 years, 5 months ago

Taxes don't inevitably rise, commonsenseanyone. Taxes were higher during the Eisenhower administration (a good Kansas Republican, Eisenhower!) than they are now, especially on the wealthy.
The income tax is by definition Constitutional; it's written explicitly into an amendment to the Constitution that was passed by the method laid down in the Constitution.
Of course, the colonial era taxes weren't income tax; they were sales taxes and user fees--just like the opponents of income taxes would like to enact instead. If they succeed, well, maybe there could be another revolution.

chootspa 3 years, 5 months ago

Missouri money? You don't say! Good thing they named the group "Kansans for No Income Tax," or we might get it confused with "Rich People For Regressive Taxation." No wait, I still get them confused.

tomatogrower 3 years, 5 months ago

This guy needs to take his money and leave the country. He's not welcome. We may have to start over, but I'm sick of these jerks who want to take us back to the feudal system. He would have been right at home with Qaddafi. He probably considers himself a "down home" kind of guy. "One of the people".

chootspa 3 years, 5 months ago

I'd suggest eliminating all the states that base their economies on tourism or natural energy reserves and then getting back to me on that one.

ToriFreak13 3 years, 5 months ago

This report states more than a third of those filing tax returns had ZERO tax liability. http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/25962.html Just because they paid (past tense) through their paychecks, they were refunded all of it and in many cases got back much more. I guarantee none of those were in the top 20% let alone 1%. So if the working class is paying NO income taxes already....what's the point? How much money will the state save if they have no income tax to track, collect, or refund? Is it worth it? Who will suffer from higher sales tax? Those that shop on craigslist or yard sales? << not the top 1%. This will help the many in the middle class that have no children or other magical tax credits. It will reward those that don't overspend and live within their means, and possibly educate those that do overspend all at the expense of supporting our state. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/08/john-cornyn/john-cornyn-says-51-percent-american-households-pa/

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

Care to state (in a clear manner) exactly what your point is?

formergrocerybagger 3 years, 5 months ago

If we had a 20% flat tax, then those with any income would pay 20%. A person with 500,000+ would pay more than someone with 5,000.

ToriFreak13 3 years, 5 months ago

You do realize what % 18000 equals right? As far as we know that is 18000 fraudulent returns. Best case they are people that gained their income from inheritances. Of course that article doesn't touch on the specifics of their tax situation. These numbers also focus on federal income tax. Relate that to our state income tax now. I believe it is worth the research to decide if the cost of tracking, collecting, and enforcing income tax greatly exceeds the benefit. Would you cut state income tax if it could save the top 3 or 4 programs cut due to budget shortfalls? The fear is that raising sales tax hurts the poor. The poor isn't buying big ticket items...if they are they shouldn't be. The lower income citizens are shopping more and more through craigslist or at yard sales....again not paying sales tax anyway. Sure everyone buys groceries. This would at most cut one item from your grocery list each time. At the rate the country is becoming obese, probably not a bad thing. I am not for raising taxes ever, but when other states have no income tax, and they are surviving better than we are, it's worth a look.

Katara 3 years, 5 months ago

Your link refers to Federal Income Tax. Then you go on to take about state taxes.

Most of those in the no Federal Income category pay states taxes because states have less deductions and lower allowances for exemptions.

It is a shame that people link to things that have very little to what they are basing their arguments on.

Dar_of_the_Emerites 3 years, 5 months ago

Kansas income tax is pure extortion, they tell me I OWE them $3100.00 but can't tell me why. They're even trying to tell me I owe for a year that I WASN'T EVEN A RESIDENT!!!

Katara 3 years, 5 months ago

You can owe Kansas taxes as a non-resident if you earned any income in the state of Kansas.

formergrocerybagger 3 years, 5 months ago

The rich should pay more, and the poor should pay less. This is achieved by a flat tax. A flat income tax, and nothing else. Every dollar that comes into your hands, the government gets a set percentage. On the dollar, and no differentation from the levels of goverment. From alcoholic beggars to multi-billionaires, a set percentage belongs to the government. Once they get their initial cut, it is yours to spend, be it on gas, food, ammunition, clothing or to horde. The problem is multiple government shakedowns, and multiple government shakedowns. Flat tax, one tax. Every dollar, 20% is the governments off the top, but after that, 80 cents is yours, no more taxes.

formergrocerybagger 3 years, 5 months ago

  1. 40 hours per week, 52 weeks per year, 7.50 per hour. I could not surive on that. I would have a strong incentive to apply to better jobs.

I would much rather pay more for my fast food to give the workers a living wage knowing that uncle sam, or uncle brownback, or uncle cromwell is standing outside a rich woman or mans gate, grabbing them by the ankles, and shaking them until 20 cents on the dollar of income falls out of their pocket.

Capital gains is only 15%.

Brent Atwater 3 years, 5 months ago

Late to the party but isn't the same guy who is credited for the "Laffer Curve", supply side and trickle down economics? How do I get a job with that kind of $$$ to spout theories that don't work?

chootspa 3 years, 5 months ago

That is indeed the exact same Laffer.

Getaroom 3 years, 5 months ago

same old song and dance, more for the super wealthy as usual. No other reason to support a flat tax and why do you think Brownbackward is for it? Keep telling the sheelpes it is good for them, tell lies often and get away with(the GOP) and the 99% are dead in the water with no where to go once and for all. Make way for Jesus and all will be well in the manger. A flat tax is not simpler, well maybe on paper it seems so, but it is all ugly in reality. Don't fall for it!!!!!!!!!!!

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