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Brownback criticized for signing abortion bill that opponents say will hurt women who get impregnated after being raped

May 26, 2011

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Without comment, Gov. Sam Brownback has signed into law a bill that critics say will hurt women who get impregnated after being raped.

They criticized the House sponsor of the measure, Rep. Pete DeGraaf, R-Mulvane, for comments he made during debate, which opponents said trivialized the horror of rape.

“This attack on women’s rights has to stop,” Amber Versola, lobbyist for Kansas NOW, said Thursday.

Brownback, an anti-abortion Republican, has already signed into law several anti-abortion measures passed this year.

The measure he approved Wednesday prohibits insurance companies from offering abortion coverage as part of their general health plans unless the procedure is necessary to save the woman’s life. Starting in July, individuals and employers who want abortion coverage would have to buy additional policies that cover only abortion.

In addition, the law also states that no state or federally administered health-insurance exchange in Kansas established under the federal health care overhaul law can offer coverage for abortions, other than to save a woman’s life.

The law’s supporters say it will protect employers who oppose abortion rights from having to pay for policies that cover the procedures.

Versola said women who become pregnant from rape or incest and who want an abortion won’t be able to get one unless they can afford the procedure themselves or have had purchased the additional insurance.

“Women cannot plan to be victims of rape and incest,” she said.

Kansas NOW and other groups also are criticizing comments by Rep. DeGraaf.

During debate on May 13, an opponent of the bill, Rep. Barbara Bollier, R-Mission Hills, noted that abortions would not be covered for cases of rape and incest.

According to a report by The Associated Press, DeGraaf responded, “We do need to plan ahead, don’t we, in life?”

Bollier then asked, “And so, women need to plan ahead for issues that they have no control over with pregnancy?”

DeGraaf then said, “I have a spare tire in my car. I also have life insurance. I have a lot of things that I plan ahead for.”

Kansas NOW has put out this statement: “We have asked women across the nation to join us in telling Rep. DeGraaf that women are ‘Tired’ of legislators who trivialize the horrifying reality of rape.”

Group members say they will send DeGraaf a model-sized spare tire for every $5 donation it receives.

The Lawrence Journal-World on Thursday attempted to reach DeGraaf by telephone and email. He did not respond.

The anti-abortion language was added to a House-Senate conference committee bill that dealt with a number of other insurance regulatory changes. Opponents said legislators broke their rules to put it in the conference committee bill. The package was passed in the final minutes of the session.

Brownback, a Republican who took office in January, has signed into law several measures on abortion.

Those include a bill that tightens restrictions on late-term abortions and requires doctors to obtain written permission from parents before terminating minors’ pregnancies. He also approved a bill imposing new health and safety standards for abortion clinics, and he has pushed for a budget provision that diverts federal family planning funds away from Planned Parenthood clinics.

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kansanjayhawk 2 years, 10 months ago

And the anwer to the question : Yes--Kansas government should intervene to protect insurance premium payers from being forced to pay for dismemberment of the unborn!

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kansanjayhawk 2 years, 10 months ago

The bottom line is this--we do not want our insurance premium dollars to pay for the dismemberment and destruction of unborn children-- we as pro-life Kansans have the right to make our voice heard.

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CloveK 2 years, 10 months ago

It is becoming very hard for me to not wish harmful things upon good ol' Sammy Boy. I really do try to not be a hateful and spiteful person but Sam is making that very difficult.

If only......

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 10 months ago

kansanjayhawk (anonymous) replies… Guess religious bigotry is your game, guess you think it is ok? Well many of us believe that it is fine do disagree on issues but don't attack the religious beliefs of others to do so. Really sad that so-called "liberals" stoop to make such attacks. === Sorry if it seems I'm attacking Muscular Sam and his new jesus. The "Family" has little to do with religion and everything to do with power.......The founders back in the 1930's idolized Mao and Stalin. Do a bit of research. I'm not religious, but believe the 'original' jesus before they turned him into a businessman/unionbuster was a great teacher and one of the most courageous people to ever live. The Sermon on the Mount is still, in my opinion, some of the finest advice ever given. Sammie and his minions ignore all of this, of course. The C-Street Cult is serious about turning America into a theocracy, one corrupt politician at a time. ======== "Now, Brownback seeks something far more radical: not faith-based politics but faith in place of politics. In his dream America, the one he believes both the Bible and the Constitution promise, the state will simply wither away. In its place will be a country so suffused with God and the free market that the social fabric of the last hundred years -- schools, Social Security, welfare -- will be privatized or simply done away with. There will be no abortions; sex will be confined to heterosexual marriage. Men will lead families, mothers will tend children, and big business and the church will take care of all." http://www.yuricareport.com/PoliticalAnalysis/GodsSenatorBrownback.html ======== Unlike many politicians, Sam is what he says he is. He just soft-pedals it in public.

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booyalab 2 years, 10 months ago

I can't fathom how the liberal conscience works, putting anti-abortionists on the same moral plane as rapists.

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Gregatcha 2 years, 10 months ago

We march toward righteousness. They won't want to pay for the care and bringing up of the unwanted issue either. That will be a faith based initiative. Time to revamp the SRS. Anyone notice a family resemblance between Brownback, Phill Kline, and Rick Santorum?

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coolmom 2 years, 10 months ago

If women cant have their insurance compainies pay for abortions especially in the case of rape or incest they should atomatically get handgun training and a concealed carry permit.

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maybeso 2 years, 10 months ago

If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

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parco814 2 years, 10 months ago

No surprise here. Victim-blaming is the core of the value system to which Brownback and his allies belong.

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BigPrune 2 years, 10 months ago

This law follows a military law. So, because the clinics now have to be inspected, this vitriol is the best the leftists can come up with?

What would happen if an unborn baby could be tested to determine if it will be gay, and people were aborting babies because they were gay? How would you people on the JW feel about that?

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ochocinco 2 years, 10 months ago

How will women be hurt? Rape is still illegal. Abortions are still legal. Maybe NOW should stop playing politics and actually help women.

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 10 months ago

The Stench of Truth: Insurance is just socialism with a CEO instead of a government bureaucrat.

Profit motive isn't the best motive.

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classclown 2 years, 10 months ago

kansanjayhawk (anonymous) replies…

Personhood begins when God creates the human person by the joining of the egg and sperm.

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While I have heard the words "Oh God " a few times during the joining of the egg and sperm, I can assure you that God actually had nothing to do with it.

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JackL 2 years, 10 months ago

Religion is root of the problem. People have been trying to control others over their beliefs for thousands of years. But this has been changing rapidly over the past 50 years due to education, science, and information flow. Every day more and more people are recognizing religion as a business based, superstitious hoax. Give it another 25 years and the extremists will be completely marginalized.

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LadyJ 2 years, 10 months ago

Then they should not be paying for erectile dysfunction treatments or medication which could cause unwanted pregnancies. If that had been a requirement to pass the abortion bill you can bet the Republican men would have backed off real quick

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kernal 2 years, 10 months ago

Now that Brownback has passed this measure, will the state be funding suicide prevention centers in every KS county now?

Some of you will soon learn what the '50's and '60's were like for women who were raped and impregnated by strangers and family members. Some of you will bury your heads in the sand. Either way, It will not be pretty.

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cletus26 2 years, 10 months ago

true, one can't prepare for rape. and incest usually starts at a early age; so can't prepare for that either. I can agree and i can disagree w/ this. all i have to say to the women is, be very careful and know your surroundings. Women, don't be trusting everbody that you meet.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 10 months ago

A campaign to recall Michigan Governor Rick Snyder is underway - YES! Rick Snyder is cutting education and retirement benefits to pay for corporate tax breaks. In some cities, he's revoked the powers of democratically elected local officials and replaced them with dictatorial "emergency financial managers."

Ohio,Wisconsin,Michigan also are being treated to similar shockwaves and legislation. Serious recalls are under way in Wisconsin as we speak.

This is a well funded concerted effort. Led by dishonest people.

Thank you Wal -Mart money. Why shop Wal-Mart?

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beatrice 2 years, 10 months ago

Let us hope no Christian Scientists get elected, or they may try to make medical insurance of any kind illegal.

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 10 months ago

The bible belt of Kansas? Take Kansas. Remove Douglas, Wyandotte, and Shawnee counties. Voila! What remains is the bible belt of Kansas.

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50YearResident 2 years, 10 months ago

As I remember Brownback did not win in Douglas County. The Bible Belt of Kansas elected him. (where ever that is) He is using that victory to impose all these (his) extreme beliefs on the entire state. What a sad state of affairs.

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sourpuss 2 years, 10 months ago

You can sign a petition asking DeGraaf to apologize for his crass comments. He probably won't though.

http://signon.org/sign/tell-kansas-state-rep

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Lawrence_Pilot 2 years, 10 months ago

You get exactly what you vote for. You wanted the most right-wing governor in America, and now you have it. You wanted to keep Kansas as the most embarrassing state in the Union, and you got it. Congratulations.

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Agnostick 2 years, 10 months ago

I really don't think more violence is the answer, folks.

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Catalano 2 years, 10 months ago

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 10 months ago

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Catalano 2 years, 10 months ago

And people wonder why I eat vicodin for breakfast. Because of stupid white male politicians like Brownback and DeGraaf, that's why.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 10 months ago

Why is this news? You all know the pea-brained voters elected this Republican Terrorist doctrinaire idiot who seeks to impose his religious fantasies on all the citizens of the state of Kansas. This is much like the "invincible armada" that Phillip II of Spain sent against the English to defeat the fleet of Sir Francis Drake and restore Catholicism to England. A political leader seeking to impose his religious voodoo on his citizens. Brownback has a long record of this sort of action. And yet the lame brained bucolic and rural citizens see him as some sort of hero and voted him in. You get the sort of government you deserve. It is not an issue that Brownback is a political slug, the issue is why do so many Kansans suffer from terminal ignorance??

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Agnostick 2 years, 10 months ago

So... a rapist can have sex and violence "on demand"... but if the victim becomes infested, as a result... the resulting weed can't be eradicated "on demand?"

Some may ask if I'm equating human life with a weed. I would say that I am not... and then ask why you are equating a crime as humiliating and violent as rape as nothing more than a vaginal parking ticket?

Perhaps pro-rapists can enlighten us as to the casual attitude towards violence against women?

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Frightwig 2 years, 10 months ago

Since abortion is an elective procedure, I was surprised that it was covered by insurance to begin with. Admittedly, I'm not familiar with details of health policies so maybe there are other elective procedures covered as well.

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Sara Garlick 2 years, 10 months ago

You said it AnnaUndercover, this is horrifying! We need to tell politicians we will not support them if they continue restricting human rights.

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 10 months ago

gkerr (anonymous) replies… Paul,Galleleo? (sic) Daniel McGuire? Christian Inquisition? Authoritarian Religion? gay rights? contraception? Sex education? Erotic art? Straw Men maybe? =====Mr. or Ms. Kerr: Perhaps, but I submit these issues are in the legislatures around the country in one form or another. Part of the Republican drive against the arts and public broadcasting is related to these pelvic political issues.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/26/republicans-introduce-legislation-targeting-abortion-access/ http://www.alan.com/2011/05/08/republicans-want-birth-control-for-horses-but-not-for-women/ http://blog.ariarmstrong.com/2010/05/resolved-republicans-are-schizophrenic.html IMHO, this is an area that does not lend itself to good governance and it is driven by too narrow an agenda, the agenda being driven by a skygod of choice. Thanks for your comments.

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DeaconBlue 2 years, 10 months ago

Liberal Spring Pelvic Orothodoxy: I can't control myself.

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CardHawkFan 2 years, 10 months ago

Any chance we can get a contingency from each side of this issue and put you in a room to actually argue face-to-face? I'd be in for checking that out...I know it means dumping the anonymity. Think we could secure the Sprint Center for that? ...we'll see how this plays out. The heck with my weekend plans!

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 10 months ago

Some call this 'pelvic politics.' It's a main thrust (pardon the pun) of the darker side of the Republican party. If they can outlaw abortion, birth control is next:

"Pelvic Orthodoxy: The focus of orthodoxy enforcers is mutable. The inquisitors were not interested in Galileo’s views on masturbation or birth control. The orthodoxy concern was in the stars. Galileo would have no problem today. The focus has turned from astral to pelvic issues. The modern Christian inquisition will be heard from in the halls of legislatures if the issue is gay rights, sex education, erotic art, contraception or abortion. And here another dimension of authoritarian religion emerges, its inherent fascism. The desire is not just to control the faithful but to subdue the entire polity. The abortion issue illustrates this mind-set at work." (Daniel C. Maguire, Religion and Reproductive Policy.)

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 10 months ago

"Abortion is opposed by most Americans who think it is abused as a tool of convenience by killing innocent helpless human life." Actually, in the most recent Gallup poll, March of 2010, approval/opposition was split at 45%/46% (the remaining 9% had no opinion or didn't know what the question meant). As there is a plus/minus wiggle of up to 3% the interpretation is that the two camps are pretty evenly split.

"Get over thinking you can intimidate those who oppose killing for convenience." Get over thinking that your gynophobia isn't being recognized and your woman hating agenda isn't being called out.

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kernal 2 years, 10 months ago

What's next? Outlaw birth control?

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gkerr 2 years, 10 months ago

whiners all, OK Brownback is evil nazi right. He mad at rape victims right? You are whining babies right?

Abortion is opposed by most Americans who think it is abused as a tool of convenience by killing innocent helpless human life. What part of that do you not understand? Do you even consider the notion that abortion on demand has been a disaster of cultural degradation and demographic injury?

What infants you are. Those who oppose abortion for all but grave danger to the physical life of the mother, will never give up attacking abortions of choice for reasons of convenience or secular communion with a sisterhood of resentful angry feminist haters in solidarity with leftist brain dead adolescents in permanent rage against the unfairness of their miserable lives.

Get over thinking you can intimidate those who oppose killing for convenience. We will never give up or give in and acquiesce to your will to lessen the sanctity of all of our lives. When you kill so recklessly, wickedly, you lessen the value of all our lives. Gkerr

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 10 months ago

Another shot in the culture wars.

Brownback and the GOP are more concerned with forcing their fundamentalist christian social views on citizens through legislation than they are with creating jobs and helping the economy.

In fact, they seem to be not concerned at all with the latter.

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Thats_messed_up 2 years, 10 months ago

Get that Brat in here for a Brain Scramble quick--Mommys got to get to the Bourgeois Pig for intellectual discourse and a smoke.

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Thats_messed_up 2 years, 10 months ago

This sucks we can't kill babies by the thousands like we used to under Sebelius.

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Steven Gaudreau 2 years, 10 months ago

What happened to women with no insurance in the past who were raped and became pregnant? This law is useless and stupid. It's only purpose is so the anti freaks can wave their hands with a victory. It will change nothing. Btw, I am pro choice.

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LadyLuck 2 years, 10 months ago

All I see from this are a lot of women unsafely seeking abortions. It's going to happen, abortions are going to happen, and why would anyone want to push someone into having their pregnancy terminated in an unsafe manner. I see deaths from this all because one politician won't allow women their much deserved rights.

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Kontum1972 2 years, 10 months ago

hitler had a religion too...and we know how that turned out... actually wonder how many of his offspring are serving our country over seas..?

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 10 months ago

The Kansas Christiban is alive and well, Muscular Sam and his businessman jesus in charge.
http://www.yuricareport.com/PoliticalAnalysis/GodsSenatorBrownback.html

There's no mystery here; just read up on the C-Street Cult. Sammie is a high priest there.

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Kontum1972 2 years, 10 months ago

hmm is this how big he is?

or is it brain size indication

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jayhawklawrence 2 years, 10 months ago

You might wonder if this bill was planned by the Republicans to incite a backlash from the Democrats.

Whenever the abortion issue goes to the front burner, the Democrats are viewed as baby killers because most voters don't care about the details. They just get reminded of the fallacy that the Republicans are trying to save helpless babies and the Democrats are trying to kill them.

No single issue has been more productive for Republicans than this one.

This is their bread and butter issue and you can always trust the Democrats to fall right into it.

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Joe Hyde 2 years, 10 months ago

Probably what's next on the "To Do List" for our Taliban Legislature is to publicize the names and addresses of insurance companies within the state who offer this "abortion insurance" they just forced us to buy.

Publicizing the list lets anti-abortion extremists begin picketing those insurance companies, which encourages the physical and emotional harrassment of customers who walk in to buy the abortion coverage. (Because, after all, "If she's wantin' to buy some o' that there abortion insurance then she's a-plannin' to have a fetus killed. Ain't that so, Bubba?")

Trust me, the Kansas Taliban will get this list publicized and it will encourage acts of deadly violence against insurance company offices, company employees and executives. Hey, bombing clinics and assasinating doctors just isn't enough for these folks.

Every female Kansan of voting age who is strong enough to lift a pencil should go to the polls at the next opportunity and throw these Republican fanatics out of office. Think of it as a needed medical procedure: a Republicanectomy.

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sierraclub 2 years, 10 months ago

How many rapes, on average, are there in Kansas? How many of those rapes end up with a women becoming pregancy?

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Adrienne Sanders 2 years, 10 months ago

Brownback just does not give a crap whose rights he stomps on. He just doesn't.

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rtwngr 2 years, 10 months ago

Here is where we differ. We view a pregnancy as a child. Abortion kills a child. No matter how heinous we view rape or incest, killing a child does not undo the wrong. It only kills a child.

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mloburgio 2 years, 10 months ago

pious sam " mussolini" brownback.

The Fascist government in Italy banned literature on birth control and increased penalties for abortion in 1926, declaring both crimes against the state. Mussolini perceived women's primary role as childbearers, while men were warriors; he once said, "war is to man what maternity is to the woman" Fascism: modern political ideology that seeks to regenerate the social, economic, and cultural life of a country by basing it on a heightened sense of national belonging or ethnic identity. Fascism rejects liberal ideas such as freedom and individual rights, and often presses for the destruction of elections, legislatures, and other elements of democracy. Despite the idealistic goals of fascism, attempts to build fascist societies have led to wars and persecutions that caused millions of deaths. As a result, fascism is strongly associated with right-wing fanaticism, racism, totalitarianism, and violence.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/whitepapers/defining/appendix_on_fascism.htm

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deathpenaltyliberal 2 years, 10 months ago

"CreatureComforts (anonymous) replies… To be fair, the liberals would probably let personal viewpoints preside over their administration too..."

Wrong. Liberals are opposing this government intrusion into a person's private life. That's what this is about, not "personal viewpoints".

From your post, I assume your personal viepoint is to trivialize rape and incest victims.

This is big government at its worst.

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leftylucky 2 years, 10 months ago

www.kansas.com/static/video/brownback-girl/

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amazonratz 2 years, 10 months ago

bradh: If we carve out every procedure that "someone" objects to, into a separate rider, there is a long list that I'm sure each of us could create. For example, what if I don't believe in penile implants, or blood transfusions, or heart transplants in people over a certain age, etc etc. Does that mean that employers who are Jehovah's Witnesses or Scientologists or Christian Scientists (all of whom have specific proscriptions against medical procedures) can force us to buy specific policies for transfusions or psychiatric care because they don't "believe" in those modalities? Separate coverage is also a privacy issue, as I'm sure those lists can and will be accessed by people who wish to discriminate against those who don't share their beliefs. This is disturbing and inappropriate legislation.

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bradh 2 years, 10 months ago

It requires an individual to pay for their own insurance if they want abortion coverage, instead of having everyone, including those who considier abortion murder, help pay for the procedure. Ask your representatives to pass an amendment to the law allowing abortions in the case of rape.

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cowboy 2 years, 10 months ago

At this rate of reverse evolution we are seeing in Kansas the state house should be populated by chimpanzees within a few years...oh wait it already appears to be happening

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countrygal07 2 years, 10 months ago

Crazy. A rape victim should be able to have an abortion. Brownback is corrupt. Sure hope one of his children or grandchildren doesnt get raped. Oh Brownback would prolly take his family member to abortion clinic in another state. I say get Brownback out of office.

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larrybuck 2 years, 10 months ago

Companies will be barred from instituting caps on coverage when your costs for treatments goes up due to sickness, you can now get insurance with out caps on coverage at "Penny Health Insurance" search them online.

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SWJayhawk13 2 years, 10 months ago

I read his comments a few days ago, and it just makes my blood boil. He has never been through the trauma of rape, or felt the shame and embarrassment that come along with having a sexual assault kit performed in the ER, or the constant failings of the judicial system that is trying to "help" survivors of sexual assault. This sickens me.

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TheStonesSuck 2 years, 10 months ago

If conservatives really gave a damn about preventing abortion, they'd abandon abstinence-only education, and meaningfully attack the poverty and ignorance which contribute to abortion rates more than anything else. Since essentially zero conservatives hold this stance, I'm honestly no longer interested in pretending to entertain their opinions, because all it ever amounts to is disingenuous, uninformed silliness.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 10 months ago

The neoconservative christian fundamentalist party is allowing personal viewpoints to control Kansas Government.

If he would have been honest and listed his actual priorities in his campaign platform this man would not have been elected Governor. Sam Brownback is a dishonest man.

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cinnamontwist 2 years, 10 months ago

Women who are treated in the emergency room for sexual assault are provided with the morning after pill, as well as having access to advocate services.

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kernal 2 years, 10 months ago

Does DeGraaf have sons or daughters? I'm thinking sons.

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autie 2 years, 10 months ago

Chalk up another one to the ignorance compaign being mounted against decent citizens...Now let me get this square in my mind...the Repubs don't want the feds to tell me Ihave to buy insurance but it is OK to tell me what that insurance can or can't cover, so by default becomes more intrusive in the personal lives of citizens but they don't want big government telling us what to do....unless it benefits them..or us...or the insurance company..as long as it isn't them...oh jeezus I'm so confused..Bottom line, another nail in the right wingnut regime is not going to do well in the '12 elections and Brownstain will just be a stain on our memory...decent folk ain't going to put up with this BS for long.

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verity 2 years, 10 months ago

Petition to be sent to DeGraaf:

http://signon.org/sign/tell-kansas-state-rep?source=s.fwd&r_by=210598

You can also leave a comment for him---and read the comments that others have made.

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edjayhawk 2 years, 10 months ago

More hillbilly politics as usual...First Virgil and now Pete.

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voevoda 2 years, 10 months ago

Pete DeGraaf obviously has never been raped and never had a problematical pregnancy. If he had, he'd understand why insurance ought to cover these sorts of contingencies just like other health crises. To use his metaphor, he doesn't carry an extra windshield in case someone takes a bat to his car, or a special insurance policy in case someone takes a bat to him and he needs surgery to correct it. He'd complain for sure if state law prohibited his regular auto and health insurance to pay for these sorts of injuries, and told him to buy special insurance instead.

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ebyrdstarr 2 years, 10 months ago

So much for deregulation and the free market.

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50YearResident 2 years, 10 months ago

God told him to sign it. Remember you voted for him!

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 10 months ago

I broke the Pete DeGraaf story on my blog yesterday, a full 24 hours before the LJW decided to actually pay attention to it. It's getting airplay in mainstream media now so they were pretty much forced into it.

http://www2.ljworld.com/weblogs/cait48/2011/may/25/pete-spare-tire-degraaf/

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Jan Rolls 2 years, 10 months ago

I hope brownie, degraaf and all the idots that voted for this have big houses so they can adopt all the children born because of rape or incest. Oh they forgot about that part. Kansas is becoming the laughing stock of the conuntry with all these social issues they have passed while not creating even 1 new job. They better look at what's happening to their like minded governors in other states who will be toast in the next electin if they last that long.

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blue73harley 2 years, 10 months ago

The bill should not have been passed without some way to protect women who are victims of rape or incest.

If caught and convicted, the rapist should pay. Same with the perpetrator of the incest.

If the above doesn't happen, the state should pay out of some fund to take care of victims of crime if they are going to prohibit the insurance companies from paying as part of a standard policy.

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defenestrator 2 years, 10 months ago

Where's the legislation requiring castration for rapists?

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ivalueamerica 2 years, 10 months ago

i see nothing in the legislation that increases the pressure or penalty or child support for men who impregnate women..I wonder why that is?

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irvan moore 2 years, 10 months ago

brownback is anti womens rights and treats them as second class citizens

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