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Bin Laden’s death causes joy, reflection

May 3, 2011, 12:00 a.m. Updated May 3, 2011, 9:14 a.m.


Crowds gather near Ground Zero the day after Osama bin Laden's death editor Whitney Mathews happened to be visiting friends in New York City when news broke that Osama bin Laden had been killed. Monday, May 2, 2011, she visited Ground Zero. Dozens of news organizations and onlookers were completely or partially blocking streets near the former site of the World Trade Center's twin towers. Police officers attempted to keep crowds and traffic moving through the packed intersections. Enlarge video

On the street

How did you first find out that Osama bin Laden had died?

My dad texted me that ‘OBL’ was dead. I didn’t know who that was so he had to clarify.

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Kelly Griffiths, widow of Spc. Lucas Frantz

Tonganoxie resident Kelly Griffiths learned of Osama bin Laden’s death via radio Monday during her morning commute to work.

She wasn’t sure it was real, noting it seemed surreal.

Hours earlier, Americans across the country started rejoicing when news broke late Sunday of bin Laden’s death.

For her, it wasn’t as much celebration as reflection.

Griffiths’ husband, Spc. Lucas Frantz, died Oct. 27, 2005 — his 22nd birthday — while serving in Iraq supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.

“I had a long time to think about it during the day,” Griffiths said.

On her way home from work in Lawrence on Monday afternoon, Griffiths stopped at Frantz’s grave at a Tonganoxie cemetery.

“He’s definitely on my mind,” Griffiths said about Frantz. “This one person (bin Laden) has caused so much pain.”

Frantz, a Tonganoxie High School graduate, signed up for the military a week after his 17th birthday, Griffiths said.

“I remember 9/11,” Griffiths said. “I was in college at the time. We were dating when that happened. I remember thinking what was to come. I was very scared.”

Nearly a decade later, Griffiths remembers her late husband’s sacrifices.

“I’m proud of Lucas and definitely thinking about him today,” she said.

Now 28 and remarried, Griffiths thinks about what is next for the United States and whether there will be a chain reaction.

“What is going to be happening because of this?” she said. “Which is why I’m a little nervous of the possibilities.”

— Shawn Linenberger

Al Stuber, former Navy pilot and father of soldier

For Lawrence pilot Al Stuber, a former Navy pilot with a son in the U.S. Army who has served four combat tours overseas, Sunday’s news that Osama bin Laden had been killed was welcome.

“I was just relieved that they finally caught this bad guy,” Stuber said. “And I was extremely proud that the Seals did it.”

Stuber uses his plane for skywriting in town occasionally — he wrote “KU” in the sky during last weekend’s spring football game, and he has in the past written “9/11” in the sky to “remind the world that we didn’t forget.”

He said he believed that bin Laden’s capture probably wasn’t as big of a deal today as it would have been years ago, but he still welcomed the news.

His son served three tours of duty in Iraq and another in Bosnia as an enlisted man, and then later as an officer, Stuber said.

Stuber said he had been fielding calls from several old military friends throughout the day Monday.

“It’s great news,” he said. “We’ll get the rest of them next.”

— Andy Hyland

Adrian Lewis, KU professor of military history

Adrian Lewis, a Kansas University military history professor, learned of Osama bin Laden’s death late Sunday night.

“We’ve been arguing about insignificant stuff, in my view,” he said about things such as Donald Trump’s call to see President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. “Don’t underestimate the significance of Osama bin Laden.”

“He’s touched the lives of virtually every American,” he said. “I don’t think Osama bin Laden touched the core of who we are as Americans,” Lewis said. “But he did a lot of damage.”

Lewis is the author of a book on military history from World War II to Operation Iraqi Freedom and also oversees KU’s Wounded Warrior program, which allows wounded soldiers in the Army to enroll in KU courses of study. The Army pays for their tuition, and in return the soldiers commit to a three-year position in the Army for every 12 months of education paid for.

Lewis said it “warms my heart” to see Americans coming together and celebrating on television.

Though bin Laden’s death will impede al-Qaida, he said, the fight is not over.

“There are going to be some very angry people,” Lewis said. “There will be extremists out there who want to get us. I would bet you that every American embassy in every foreign country is sending out warnings to Americans to be very cautious.”

— Andy Hyland

Doug Anrig, area captain of Patriot Guard Riders

Doug Anrig is familiar with the risks, knows the stakes and is committed to the cause.

So when Anrig, a semi-retired area captain for the Patriot Guard Riders, learned about the success of a team of Navy Seals in taking out Osama bin Laden, he felt his chest rise with pride.

Then exhale in relief.

“It’s good that the mission was carried out in the way that it was and that no troops were harmed,” said Anrig, who’s lost count of the number of times he’s ridden his motorcycle in support of soldiers and sailors returning home from the Middle East. “I give credit to the president for laying out the orders and carrying out the mission. And let’s not forget the big picture being carried out by our men and women in uniform.”

Anrig can’t forget his own time in the service: 1976 to 1980, as a boilerman in the Navy, his “Steamer” nickname sticking to this day.

Back then, aboard the guided missile cruiser USS William H. Standley in the Indian Ocean, he had been called to general quarters in support of another rescue mission: a failed attempt to free American hostages in Iran, one that ended with helicopters crashing in the desert.

“That’s part of why this mission means so much to me,” he said.

Anrig, a former Lawrence resident who now lives in the Kansas City area, works for the federal government and still lends his support to the Patriot Guard, lining up motorcycles to herald the return of military men and women and to protect the families of those attending funerals of those who have fallen.

“Hopefully things will settle down now,” said Anrig, whose son, Christopher, is a mechanic in the Army. “Hopefully we can start bringing our troops home as soon as possible.”

— Mark Fagan

Jane Tedder, witness to 9/11 attacks

Jane Tedder said she didn’t really need to hear about Osama bin Laden’s death to be reminded of the 9/11 attacks.

The Lawrence resident still remembers being in lower Manhattan, where she was staying in the Marriott World Trade Center hotel for an economic conference when the planes hit the twin towers.

She was outside on the street and watched the second plane hit the tower, she recalled. She said she is still reminded of the tragedy almost daily.

All it takes is that cigarette patch commercial on TV now, the one where people are stepping down from a building onto various platforms. It reminds her of an image that hasn’t left her in nearly 10 years: the people jumping out of the burning buildings.

The 68-year-old Tedder said she found out about bin Laden’s death Sunday night — figuring you don’t turn off the TV once you hear the president will be giving a rare late-night Sunday address.

She remembered two emotions when she first heard: relief and trepidation. Relief because bin Laden was dead; and trepidation because she feared retaliatory attacks. But, for her, there was no rejoicing, she said.

“I firmly believe that the intentional killing of any human being is not cause for rejoicing,” she said.

— Andy Hyland

Lea Orth, NYC resident

Lea Orth is relieved and happy that Osama bin Laden is dead.

“It feels like a holiday,” she said during a telephone interview Monday from her home in New York City. “I could hardly go to sleep last night I was so excited — really excited.”

Orth, a Kansas native and Kansas University graduate, said President Barack Obama’s announcement Sunday night reminded her of a scene from “The Wizard of Oz” — the one where the Wicked Witch of the West is pronounced dead and everyone celebrates.

Orth, who has children living in Lawrence, has lived in New York City since 1976. During the 9/11 attacks, she was getting ready for an 11 a.m. business appointment inside one of the towers.

She recalls first hearing about the news on her classical radio station and then later seeing hordes of people — covered in gray debris — walking past her home to get out of town. In the days after 9/11, the city was eerily quiet.

“I think we were in shock for a long time,” she said.

Orth knows people who escaped the towers and she knows people who lost loved ones, including a very close friend.

Her friend had a ritual of going out on her terrace and looking at the tower where her granddaughter worked. She was talking to her granddaughter on the phone as the plane hit.

“She never really recovered from that, and her funeral was just a couple of years ago,” Orth said. “I was thinking about her today and all of the others. That’s why I am so very happy that it (bin Laden’s death) happened.”

— Karrey Britt

Lenise Eddings, artist

Lenise Eddings remembers what 9/11 made her do: It made her re-evaluate her priorities and really consider if what she was doing matched her dreams.

It didn’t.

Eddings, then a Lawrence resident, painted a picture to deal with her emotions surrounding the 9/11 terrorist attacks, complete with Osama bin Laden’s face. That painting set her dreams in motion.

“Those types of life-altering events have a great deal of significance, and everyone in our country reassessed what was valuable and what was a priority,” she said. “Obviously, expressing myself through my painting as I watched everything unfold, that became the catalyst.”

Eddings, 58, began painting regularly, and has since developed a children’s book, “I Seek and Find.” She sells prints of her 9/11 painting, and says it’s in a place of honor in her household in Wellsville.

But when she turned on her computer Monday morning and saw the news of Osama bin Laden’s death, it was a mixture of joy and sadness she found herself feeling.

“There’s still a great sadness because it brings back all those memories,” Eddings said. “I just don’t think that it’s going to be forgotten in our country.”

— Brenna Hawley

Mark Johnson, special operations trainer

Eudora resident Mark Johnson celebrated Monday, hours after learning U.S. special operations forces in Pakistan killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of the al-Qaida terrorist organization who evaded American forces since the 9/11 attacks.

“This has been one of our main goals for 10 years to get this guy,” said Johnson, a retired Army lieutenant colonel and former Green Beret. “We finally succeeded.”

Johnson, who earned a Bronze Star during the first Gulf War and as a consultant trained special operations and conventional military officers in the Middle East in 2006, praised the execution of the raid and said it was a crippling blow for al-Qaida because it lost a “mentor and godfather.”

He said members of the terrorist group likely don’t have the capability now to conduct a large-scale, coordinated attack.

Johnson also said that as more details come out about Sunday’s operation, he could learn one day that he helped train commanders who participated in it as he taught at Fort Leavenworth in the mid-1990s and early 2000s.

“We all,” he said, “have our chests stuck out a little higher today.”

— George Diepenbrock

Felix Zacharias, who served in Iraq

When Felix Zacharias received word of Osama bin Laden’s death, he was sitting on his back patio smoking a cigar and listening to the Kenny Chesney song “Everybody Wants to Go to Heaven.”

Smoking cigars at night was a habit Zacharias picked up while serving in Iraq. The Kansas University graduate student in political science and former president of the KU Collegiate Veterans Association said Sunday’s news sent him into a texting frenzy.

It also had him thinking back to his reaction on Sept. 11. Then, he was a Marine stationed in Hawaii.

Just as he did Sunday night, Zacharias called his father on 9/11 to talk about the news.

“He said, ‘What are we going to do?’ And I told him I had no idea. But I was pretty sure we were going to go to war,” Zacharias said.

Zacharias spent seven months in Iraq in 2006 and 2007. During that time, bin Laden didn’t occupy his thoughts much.

“In reality, nothing has changed in my life,” Zacharias said. “It is good to know he is gone, but I’d happily trade it back for the 22 Marines (who died) in my battalion.”

— Christine Metz

Reaction at the VFW

A nice, quiet feeling is how local VFW post commander Jerry Karr described the mood Monday.

Karr, a Vietnam veteran and retired firefighter, was glad to see Osama bin Laden brought to justice.

“If it weren’t for this man, they wouldn’t have gone through the trauma they’ve gone through; there wouldn’t be people who are now living with artificial prosthetic arms and legs, been separated from all their children while they served over there. Families lost sons and daughters,” Karr said. “I don’t find a heady joy in it. But I think it’s nice to have some closure.”

He was amazed by the celebrations that broke out across the country, proud of the military and happy that the president approved the mission.

“I don’t think terrorism is finished by a long shot. But at least we did strike a blow today,” he said. “And we let them know if you attack the United States, it might take us nine years, but we are coming.”

Sunday night was a sleepless one for Andrew Foster, who was up late on Facebook chatting with other young veterans and friends he served with in the Navy.

Now a Kansas University senior studying political science, Foster served in the Navy for six years and was deployed to the Middle East and Southeast Asia. On Sept. 11, he was stationed right outside of D.C.

“It was just a weird sense of awe almost,” Foster said about the news of bin Laden’s death.

He hopes it will mark a turning point for the war on terror and “a step in the right direction to get everyone home.”

But Billie Carey, who served two tours in Iraq with the Army Reserves, warned that with bin Laden’s death America shouldn’t become complacent.

“The war is not over. I hope people realize we have a long ways to go,” she said.

— Christine Metz

Candy and Scott Wasser, parents of fallen soldier

For Candy and Scott Wasser of Ottawa, the death of Osama bin Laden marks another significant milestone.

Their son, Christopher, joined the Marines shortly after his 18th birthday in 2001. His first full day of boot camp was on 9/11.

On April 8, 2004, during his second deployment to Iraq, Lance Cpl. Christopher Wasser was killed by a roadside bomb. He was 21.

Scott Wasser said he is satisfied with bin Laden’s death because it means the military has reached a goal it set out to accomplish.

“That chapter now is closed, and we have many more chapters ahead of us, and we don’t know how that will unfold,” he said.

He added that he doesn’t even view the United States at war anymore. “I see it as a giant police action. The different factions of the Middle East have been fighting for thousands of years. The best you can do is police things and provide a little stability in hopes that things get better on down the road,” he said.

— Scott Rothschild

Republicans, Democrats: ‘Justice was served’

Kansas Republican Party Chairwoman Amanda Adkins and Kansas Democratic Party Chairwoman Joan Wagnon on Monday issued a joint statement, saying that “justice was served” in the death of Osama bin Laden, the mastermind of the 9/11 attack on the U.S.

The joint statement said: “Almost 10 years ago our nation stood together in shock at a tragedy that claimed almost 3,000 lives. Yesterday, justice was served. Today we are all Americans.

“Our heartfelt thanks goes to the men and women in uniform who’ve given their lives in pursuit of this day, and the soldiers and intelligence officers who made it possible.”

Earlier Monday, Kansas Senate Chaplain Fred Hollomon held a moment of silent prayer and said he was grateful that no U.S. forces were killed in the raid on bin Laden.

— Scott Rothschild

Brownback thanks troops

Gov. Sam Brownback on Monday said Osama bin Laden’s death was “the result of the tireless dedication of our brave men and women in uniform, and I want to thank and congratulate them on a job well done.”

— Scott Rothschild

Bassam Helwani, of the Islamic Center of Lawrence

Bassam Helwani, assistant director of the Islamic Center of Lawrence, said Monday that he was glad President Barack Obama, in his address to the nation, made clear the distinction between what Osama bin Laden believed and the teachings of Islam.

“Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. We have always stood by our position that the actions of Osama bin Laden do not represent Islam or Muslims in any way,” he said.

He said the Islamic Center of Lawrence has always condemned terrorism and violence.

“We call for co-existence and celebrating our commonality. We hope this will be an opportunity for Muslims and all Americans to renew their commitment to our humanity,” he said.

— Scott Rothschild

Asra Haq of Lawrence

Asra Haq, a Muslim from Lawrence, said she hoped the death of Osama bin Laden would reduce anti-Islamic sentiments in the United States "so that peace and interfaith efforts can prevail."

She said that Islam promotes peace and appreciation of all faiths.

She added that bin Laden's acts were "neither venerated or a representation of all Muslims."

-Scott Rothschild


Richard Heckler 6 years, 7 months ago

How did this impact USA Imperialism for which I believe was what drove bin Laden to his decision to become a rebel warrior?

Perhaps the 9/11/01 would not have happened IF Bush/Cheney had been paying attention to this small band of rebel warriors living in Maryland down the street from NSA headquarters?

The whereabouts of these warriors was no secret.... all of which died on 9/11/01

Should these band of warriors have killed more than 3000 innocent people on 9/11/01 because they were pissed off at our USA imperialist government? Of course not...

Should thousands of soldiers have died and tens of thousands more become disabled as a result of 9/11/01? of course not.

Then again the "rebel warriors" could not get close to USA government imperialist officials......

I say we should try to rid the USA of the disease known as USA imperialism and work WITH OTHERS instead of TAKING from others in the name of american interests...

All of this non stop killing is not changing anything it seems.

optimist 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm not sure what "American Imperialism" is code for but if you don't like this country there are other options. I hear Mexico is nice this time of year. Just be sure to take your bulletproof umbrella. I hear it rains lead often and with little warning.

Liberty275 6 years, 7 months ago

"Perhaps the 9/11/01 would not have happened IF Bush/Cheney had been paying attention to this small band of rebel warriors living in Maryland down the street from NSA headquarters?

The whereabouts of these warriors was no secret.... all of which died on 9/11/01"

I wonder what would have happened if clinton was paying attention instead of... well you know what instead of.

Also, I wonder what "hindsight is 20/20" means.

jhawkinsf 6 years, 7 months ago

I recall President Bush using the word "crusade" shorty after 9-11. He used it to describe our mission in Iraq. Many in that part of the world became upset. They said "The Crusades" left a lasting image in that region and to this day they see the actions of the west as a continuing of those crusades and they see the U.S. as the successors to the mantle of "The West".
I was amazed that anyone alive today could believe that events that took place 900 years ago and by countries not even around back then could possibly have any relevance today. But yes, some do. People like Bin Laden did. To him, and people like him, actions of the U.S. today are just follow-up actions to the crusades of nine centuries ago. There is nothing we can do now, nor has there been anything that we've done or not done in the last half century that would make people like him feel any different about us.
So, Merrill, when you use terms like USA Imperialism, know that they are hearing things like "The Crusades" being unleashed upon them from the west, meaning U.S.

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 7 months ago

Oh Merrill, I knew you disliked Jews but I had no idea you supported OBL and his band of "rebel warriors."

Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

I don't feel sad when I think about Albert Fish getting a ride on old sparky. OBL is pretty much in the same category. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

lounger 6 years, 7 months ago

Odd celebrations. I think celebrating someones death is kinda sick. I think what Bin Laden and others did was sick and wrong but...children celebrating at ground zero?? Not Cool.

AuntZooie 6 years, 7 months ago

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that" — DR MLK

I understand the necessity of Bin Laden's death, but I do not rejoice over it.

SWJayhawk13 6 years, 7 months ago

Funny thing is, that isn't a MLK quote. It's a good quote, but not one made by him.

MarcoPogo 6 years, 7 months ago

Per The source of the quote is a Facebook message by Jessica Dovey, where she goes on to quote Martin Luther King Jr. In this context, it's easy to see how a cut-and-paste job could have accidentally attributed the source to King. Congrats to Jessica, whose Facebook wall post is one of the more famous sayings on the Internet today.

It spread like wildfire yesterday after Penn Jillette tweeted the mistake.

Paul R Getto 6 years, 7 months ago

There is nothing to rejoice about, but I for one am glad he's dead. In the meantime, the 1,000+ year-old conflict between the warring desert tribes and their various skygods continues. The key may be to remember not to create OBL's in the future. We made this guy and used him for our purposes back in the 1980's. Saddam was the same, or as Tony Blair allegedly said: "We know he has weapons of mass destruction; we kept the receipts."

verity 6 years, 7 months ago

I agree with the sentiments of Merrill, AuntZooie and Mr. Getto. We need to learn from our mistakes and quit making the same ones over and over.

On another note, I'm not usually the grammar police, but wouldn't Kelly Griffiths be the widow of Spc. Lucas Frantz, not his ex-wife? That makes it sound like they were divorced and that doesn't seem to be the case.

motomom 6 years, 7 months ago

ditto, aunt zooie. there's something not right about these celebrations.

kimr 6 years, 7 months ago

I would also like to point out the horrible grammar mistake about Kelly. She is my sister, and has already expressed how upset she is that they labeled her as "Ex-Wife", she is his "Widow" and needs to be respected and honored as nothing less. She has been in this paper several times regarding her status as a "War Widow", and I hope all who read this article will recognize that and respect her for all she has and continues to do in honor of her late husbad.

wmathews 6 years, 7 months ago

Thanks for the note, kimr. I've changed Kelly's headline to "widow" instead of "ex-wife."

mrgriff01 6 years, 7 months ago

Which of course doesn't affect the thousands of papers already printed and read. Hopefully your readers will read the article for what it is, and not skim your irresponsibly printed headlines. In the future, you'd do wise to proofread what you're submitting and maybe stop to think about how it's going to affect someone's day. Prime example of media doing more harm than good.

Sigmund 6 years, 7 months ago

I celebrated with a Bin Laden Martini: two shots and a splash.

BlackVelvet 6 years, 7 months ago

YES!!! My son is a bartender and he'll love it!!!

Sigmund 6 years, 7 months ago

blue73harley (anonymous) replies… "Funny!!!!! I don't know if this a Sigmund-original"

Credit where it is due, a caller to the Dennis Miller show came up with that. A toss up with the new Navy Seal reality show on TLC, "Extreme Home Takeover."

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