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Immigration officials make two Lawrence arrests

March 18, 2011


U.S. Immigration officials said last week they arrested two Mexican nationals who had previously been deported and were working for a Lawrence paving company.

Gail Montenegro, a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman, said agents during a “targeted enforcement action” March 10 made the arrests in Topeka. They were employed by Sunflower Paving Inc., she said.

One of the suspects was a convicted criminal who had been deported twice, and another was previously deported and illegally re-entered the United States, which is a felony, Montenegro said. Both would remain in ICE custody pending removal from the country.

Jeff Engroff, Sunflower Paving’s president, said Thursday the two people arrested were no longer employed there. He said the company uses the E-Verify system to check every potential employee’s eligibility before they start work and that the company was surprised by the arrests last week.

ICE agents at the time also cited two other Sunflower employees for immigration violations, and they were given notices to appear before a federal immigration judge, Montenegro said.

Engroff said Thursday both of those employees have been allowed to return to work because problems with their paperwork have been taken care of and they were cleared.


TheStonesSuck 6 years ago

The rotten sore on the face of mother earth gets bigger...

TopJayhawk 6 years ago

How utterly poetic.........Are you talking about the potholes that won't get filled now?

TheStonesSuck 6 years ago

nope just an awesome line from rage against the machine that seems particularly apt. I agree about the potholes, though. Get on it plz.

Loretta James 6 years ago

my son is a concrete worker and has been out of work for ever wake up people hire american legal people

flux 6 years ago

Wow.... talk about some broken english. I'm stunned that you are allowed to post comments

Majestic42 6 years ago

Punctuation is your friend. Both of you.

flux 6 years ago

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Majestic42 6 years ago

Not talking to you. Learn2readthreads.

earline james 6 years ago

My first thought also. Maybe he's drawing Unemployment. Or, maybe he applied and is waiting for a "call back."
I saw big ads in the JWorld about a Job Fair the other day. Of course, it was the evening after the Fair, when I noticed the ad in the paper. Was there info about that Job Fair in the paper the day before? I know a few people that should have gone, but I didn't know in time to tell them. Ok, rant over. Back to the trainwreck that this topic can easily turn in to.

sr80 6 years ago

Your a day late and a dollar short !!!! Go to the end of the line! Laughing

Majestic42 6 years ago

Is the end of the line where people who can't spell go, too?

TheStonesSuck 6 years ago

free market, lol. Doesn't it suck that KS government claims to be "pro small business" and then completely sells out to corporate money??? it blows, huh? maybe dont vote Republican next time.

flux 6 years ago

Your son needs to get off unemployment and flip some burgers.

Gene Wallace 6 years ago

He can't. All of those jobs have been taken by "Immigrants". Ex: The McDonald's on 23rd.

pace 6 years ago

While we spend money on turnstile illegal immigrants we should be following the money. Companies, industries, corporations that hire illegally should be heavily fined and jailed. They use their illegal hiring practices to make money. They debase the American workers salary, they debase the work standards. They are the magnets and we chase the filings. We need to secure our borders. While companies hire illegally, they often cheat the illegal worker and cheat the American worker of a job. They make billions off of it, we pay billions for their corrupt practices. We wink and nod, well, everyone hires illegal. It should be a heavy fine and jail for repeat offenders. Construction, roads, food service, agriculture, elderly care. Industries are hiring illegally.

Bob Forer 6 years ago

You are absolutely right. Right wingers such as Kobach stir up the pot and foment anger against illegal workers when the real culprits are the big companies that exploit them by paying substandard wages.

Bob Forer 6 years ago

I get bent out of shape over both practices.

tbaker 6 years ago

Turn their backs? Immoral? Jobs moving out of US-based companies is an example of innovation in a company which drives a healthy, growing market. It reduces operating costs for the company and helps ensure the U.S. business remains competitive in the worldwide market. Companies that move jobs overseas buy additional goods and services from other U.S. firms, which creates export revenue. U.S. companies who use foreign labor repatriate the earnings back to the U.S, which is subject to U.S. taxes and helps finance future business growth in the U.S. American workers engaged in low-value services that are off-shored are then able to pursue higher-level jobs.

Remember when President Obama went to the Caterpillar factory and praised them for hiring / expanding operations in the teeth of the recession? More than half of the employees that company has hired this year are outside the United States. Its a multinational company. Does that make them bad?

It's simply a fallacy to argue that if U.S. multinational companies did not add jobs to their operations overseas (off-shore) then somehow these jobs would magically appear in the U.S. job market. The exact opposite is much closer to the truth. The simple fact is, when U.S. multinational companies hire abroad, hiring increases in the U.S. When it lags at home, it lags abroad too.

When U.S. companies do hire abroad, you have to remember that their primary objective is NOT to just cut wage costs, but to reach new markets and customers in the host nation/region. This is why U.S. multinational companies employ a lot more in high-wage places like Europe than in low-wage countries such as India or China. Check the U.S. Commerce Department: U.S. multinational corporations employed five times as many workers in Europe (4.82 million) in 2008 than they did in China (950,000).

You should spend a little time learning some basic economics before you demagogue "off-shoring" jobs from a position of ignorance. Wise up.

sr80 6 years ago

Then where will the politicians get all their free money from,good god my friend have some compassion for the millionaire!!

Scott Drummond 6 years ago

So this traitorous employer has 4 illegal employees and nothing happens to it. Incredible.

I suppose this creates opportunity for a few more illegal immigrants to get a job.

jafs 6 years ago

If they did in fact use e-verify to check the status of potential employees, then something's not working with that system.

That's supposed to be the best way to check that status, isn't it?

In fact, there are proposed laws that would make it mandatory for employers to use it - that's great, but if the system doesn't work well, then, ...

sr80 6 years ago

What it means with the e-verify passing is that these illegals have stolen someones legitimate identification(i.e. social security #) I wonder if these people will be notified ? I bet what actually happens will be a endless morass of redtape for the hapless victims of this !

Majestic42 6 years ago

Broken system? Blame it on someone else.

RedneckRLC 6 years ago

Its time we clamp down on this problem!!!! Went to McDonalds the other day and the cashier could not understand my english!! ALL AMERICAN JOBS should go to AMERICAN CITIZENS!! NO exceptions!!

Scott Drummond 6 years ago

Which McDonalds? I suggest you should have spoken to a manager and communicated your intent not to do business with them again until Americans are employed.

lonelyboy 6 years ago

Any McDonalds ... they are the worst ones.

Kontum1972 6 years ago

the main office is on W. 6th street right on the corner next to the resturant .."big mama McD" is in there...GL!

sr80 6 years ago

So we have to learn french/hiatian too? give me a break, will yuh!!!!

kernal 6 years ago

Perhaps the person who took your order was the best qualified applicant for the job.

jafs 6 years ago

Not if the job requires communicating with customers, apparently.

pizzapete 6 years ago

I've had that happen a couple of times, had to order my burger meal in Spanish just to make sure it came the way I wanted it.

Jimo 6 years ago

haha Wasn't it Chipotle in Minnesota where something like 4 out of 5 employees were aliens? They had to bring in buses to hold them all.

number1jayhawker 6 years ago

Yea but when Chipotle tried to weed out the illegals they were targeted by the unions and were boycotted.

Scott Drummond 6 years ago

Chipotles was at one time a McDOnald's company. Don't know if they still are.

skinny 6 years ago

The local McDonalds here in Lawrence are really bad about hiring people who can't speak English. I stopped going to McDonalds because of this. Crazy!!

whats_going_on 6 years ago

and I am willing to bet you're a little bit healthier because of it. Win-win.

somebodynew 6 years ago

pace - I agree wholeheartedly, but then you run against the policticos who want to "protect business and not hurt them". Although, in this case, if the Sunflower guy is telling the truth, they did what they were supposed to. Most don't bother with that and they should be nailed.

pace 6 years ago

I hope you are correct that sunflower paving made a honest and sincere effort. I know sometimes a "boss" will call their crew in just before payday, Then they hire a new batch. Does Sunflower owe these guys money for work done or are they off the hook because they were taken away? I expect more than just running a name through the system. Like with any id, there is a responsibility to use best judgment.

kawrivercrow 6 years ago

I know that reading comprehension is a struggle for concrete thinkers, but it is very common to leave off the personal pronoun when referring to one's self. Even if your brains wasn't able to subconsciously integrate this into the message while reading it, the term 'my' would have been a second cue for the brain to automatically pick up on.

jhawkinsf 6 years ago

Would someone please make a list of laws it's O.K. to break and which laws need to be followed. We can the distribute the list, taping a flyer to every tree and in multiple languages. Problem solved. The illegal immigrants and employers of such will then know if it's O.K. to establish a working relationship. They can just look at the list. So, is it O.K. or not to break laws?

walleye9898 6 years ago

jhawkinsf Start with abiding by these: Matthew 22:37-40

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Next review Exodus 20:3-17

jhawkinsf 6 years ago

I must say that I was raised in a non-religious home and am now just about the most non- religious, non-spititual person you will meet. I respect others who may be religious as I hope you respect my non-religiousness. My comment was directed at the secular nature of the issue. Peace.

Flap Doodle 6 years ago

Many illegal aliens find work in the lawn care industry. All of those companies should have their tax records examined very closely.

allamerican4ever 6 years ago

sunflower paving isnt the only lawrence company working them . city of lawrence needs to not award contracts to companies that knowingly work illegals

workinghard 6 years ago

Amen-2. At one time I thought they were going to try to make landlords check to make sure prospective tenants were legal. Guess that didn't fly.

fan4kufootball 6 years ago

What is really difficult is that employers have there hands tied. Illegals have become very good at aquiring fake documents that employers cannot tell that if they fake or not. If an employer does not hire because he "thinks" the person is an illegal by looking at them he can be sued by the illegal for discrimination!

Also you cannot base your decision to hire or fire based on the e-verify system in the state of KS.

jafs 6 years ago

Since KS is an "at will" state, anybody can be fired without cause at any time.

Jimo 6 years ago

Except for a narrow list of federal exceptions including race, ethnicity, and national origin. Not sure how you missed this point.

jafs 6 years ago

My point stands.

Employers are not required to show cause to fire anybody.

If it is determined they are discriminating based on those criteria, then they are breaking federal laws.

However, it must be proven that they are in fact doing that - they can fire people at will without cause otherwise.

ivalueamerica 6 years ago

Yes and no, if there is a pattern of not hiring or promoting people of color, or of a certain age or sex who are qualified for a job, then the fair employment act kicks in.

squarepusher 6 years ago

"Jeff Engroff, Sunflower Paving’s president, said Thursday the two people arrested were no longer employed there. He said the company uses the E-Verify system to check every potential employee’s eligibility before they start work..."

Anyone notice the contradiction here? Jeff Engroff states, "...Were NO LONGER employed there", but, in the same paragraph he also states, "The company uses the E-verify system to check every POTENTIAL employee's eligibility BEFORE they start work". Really, then how could they have worked there if they were criminals and illegal if you verified their eligibility FIRST?

Wow, maybe Jeff Engroff needs to visit a courthouse himself.

squarepusher 6 years ago

Also, if they were documented as illegal re-entry, the E-verify system will have served its purpose and they could be denied work.

fan4kufootball 6 years ago

Which is why employers are not allowed to use the e-verify system to make a decision to hire or fire.

jafs 6 years ago

Unless, of course, the system didn't work well, and he did in fact use it.

jafs 6 years ago

Not really.

It's just a question of whether the employer is to blame for not checking or whether the system isn't good enough.

thepartimarshall 6 years ago

Well if you knew just like I do then it makes sense. He's lied to me every time we spoke and I bet that both of them are already back. I used to work there but I'm white and got hurt bad at work and they refuse to fix me but thats a whole other really screwed up story.

lonelyboy 6 years ago

Todays word is Asphalt -- "if you hire illegals and you get busted , that's yo asphalt " bahahahahaha

yourworstnightmare 6 years ago

Illegal immigrants work for much less pay than american workers would stand for. To all of you unemployed, how about getting a paving job that pays as much as they pay illegal immigrants? Start standing outside of home depot waiting for jobs like illegals. Take some initiative and work your way to employment.

As for the companies that hire illegals, they should be penalized. The reason that illegals come into this country is for the jobs that farms and packing plants and roofers and construction companies provide to them.

This is simple supply-demand capitalism, folks. You can't fight the supply to end the demand. You must end the demand first and foremost (see Drugs, War on, in Ag's scheme of things).

Jimo 6 years ago

"To all of you unemployed, how about getting a paving job that pays as much as they pay illegal immigrants? Start standing outside of home depot waiting for jobs like illegals. Take some initiative and work your way to employment."

A - with 5 unemployed persons for every job, just what should the other 12 million people do? I'd say if you miss 4/5ths of the problem then you don't really have much of a solution.

B - instead of, what you admit, would be a massive lowering of living standards for the 4 million people you suggest take this approach, why not do what classical economics (much beloved by Republicans) suggests -- lower everyone's wages by a few percent, resulting in an increase in hiring? It's pure supply-demand capitalism - lowering costs makes the nexus cross the supply curve further along on the supply curve. (Should be no more than a 5% wage cut.)

C - how is lowering the net aggregate living standard for all Americans a "good thing" for America? Instead, those liberal economists seem to have been correct - by failing to provide an adequate-sized stimulus, we've created a situation of indefinitely underperforming output. Too much capacity for the demand being demanded, and therefore, persistent under-employment. All well documented phenomena when countries try to address downturns with frugality, that is, living within your means. Well, we're living within our means alright--much reduced means--and millions of unemployed persons can testify to the fact they've been thrown to the wolves by you later-day pennypinchers.

notyourmom 6 years ago

I'll take one of those jobs!! I'd make slave wages and not be protected by any laws protecting workers, but I wouldn't have to pay any taxes. Plus, because I'd have no documents showing that I work for a living, I could get on welfare and all totaled I could make a comfortable living. I'd be bankrupting the country for my own personal gains, but that's what corporations would be doing by hiring me in the first place. I wonder how long this can go on?

Jimo 6 years ago

Actually if you check with Jayhawk paving you'll find that these jobs DO pay taxes ... with benefits that aren't collectible. Just one of the many ways that--regardless of how loudly the whiners may complain--aliens (whether legal or illegal) add to our economy rather than take.

"I could get on welfare" - sheesh, go ahead! We need a good laugh!!!! (A) your big mouth would snap shut once you realized how little you'd receive and (B) you'd still have to find a job or be thrown off eventually. Want to guess how easy it is finding a job right now with a big-ole gap in employment history? There's no such thing as permanent welfare - something you'd know if you donated some charitable time rather than flapping your gums and revealing how ignorant you are.

So, in sum: each and every claim you've made is false. Somehow, though, I doubt you'll have learned a thing.

jafs 6 years ago

Except for the obvious point that it is illegal to hire illegal immigrants.

And, the other examples you mention involve the victims of a crime instead.

sciencegeek 6 years ago

The big question: how many times did they vote?

notanota 6 years ago

Ha! I was waiting for someone to go there.

bevy 6 years ago

What I would like to know, since the story doesn't make it clear, is whether these two used documents in their own names when they applied for the job, or did they use fake or stolen papers? Because even if e-verify worked perfectly, it could not tell you whether the person standing in front of you is the one whose documents you are checking.

Employers need a good method for screening employees, to be sure. The ones who hire illegals without due diligence should be fined or jailed.

Paul R Getto 6 years ago

fan4kufootball. Good point. E-verify is, in itself, an interesting situation. “Many believe that the E-Verify program is free. However, according to a recent article in Bloomberg News, employers spent an estimated $95 million in fiscal 2010 to participate "for free" in E-Verify. It further highlighted the fact that this figure was for the 4 percent of the businesses that used it. It also found that businesses with fewer than 500 workers have, and would continue to bear the greatest cost burden because the fixed costs are spread over fewer hires.” Testimony recently given on HB 2372

lawslady 6 years ago

The problem of illegal immigration is not simple and is not just an American issue. The Mexican government rewards those who "move" to America (by any means) by subsidizing the income they send home from their American jobs by paying a matching % to their families who remain behind. Look into it LJW - the Mexican government PAYS people to move to America but who send some of their paychecks back home. The Mexican government is exporting its poor and undesirables, and doing all it can to encourage such exportation.

In addition, these workers (whether legally in the country or not) often will take jobs and work for salaries that many Americans will not. If you haven't been to LA recently, take a trip; even the Chinese restaurants and "Roscoe's chicken and waffle' places are almost entirely staffed by people whose birth language is Spanish. They are doing the jobs that Americans will not do. Until/unless the Mexidan government stops encouraging exportation of its poor citizens, and until/unless American citizens are willing to take jobs (and pay) that these Mexican poor will take, we are probably going to see this issue continue.

Meanwhile, there is currently a bill working its way through the Kansas legislature that will require all state agencies to use the e-verify system. If that does not work, or the results cannot be used as a basis to fire or refuse to hire someone, why bother?

allamerican4ever 6 years ago

ha ha ha i hope that make officials check all contractors in lawrence, including landscape companies. every concrete company here has illegals. hope the catch and fine all the illegal employers and fine them heavy

twofrogs5846 6 years ago

Im a gringo and from experience most gringos are lazy and do not work as hard as the latinos. It does however piss me off that some people cant get jobs because o f this but its not their fault. Were the idiots that just keep letting them take the next train up from the border. Good job immigration busting 2 of the million in kansas. What a joke. And I personally worked for Epic landscape productions. They bring up approximately 200 mexis up every year to make a killing in kansas city and surrounding areas. They treat their white people like crap and are constantly called a gringo and told how gringos are lazy. They should be required to find workers in kc and get them off their unemployed social service draining asses.

pace 6 years ago

Do you know any people who will come clean my house? I am quite willing to work them off the books and they do not need any language skills. I would like to pay them as little as I can as the price for coffee and cable are just killing me. Seriously, small businesses are dying because of employees who don't show up and have poor work ethics. All I can suggest is hire older people and treat them well. I remember a how much a 25 cent raise meant to me. The boss kept saying it wasn't enough to matter. Hiring illegally might save you money but it is costing everyone else. If you are paying $18. an hour, wow. You should be picking off the top of the tree in this town. Of course you might just be saying that. Fines and jail for hiring illegally might remove your incentive.

twofrogs5846 6 years ago

I also worked for a landscaping company in lawrence who hires 2 mexicans full time each year. They are god people and hard workers but illegal as can be. Due to this after working for them for 4 years they refused to pay me more money because they will just get another white driver and pay him crap till he quits and just have the mexicans do all the hard work. And hire a new one the next year to drive. I am not impressed by their business ethics and i think they should be punished for this. However I do not want these guys to loose their jobe because they have families and are good people. I would like to see superior get what they deserve after seeing them treat employee after employee like they dont need them.

twofrogs5846 6 years ago

That is crap. There are white unskilled people who will work for the same amount as a mexican. Which at sunflower im sure got paid pretty dam well

notyourmom 6 years ago

$18 an hour per legal person, how much do you pay your illegal workers? Seems like I've heard they make somewhere between $3 and $5 an hour. I think there is some middle ground in there between $18 and $3.

pace 6 years ago

Not only am I willing to pay full price rather than support your illegal hiring, i am willing for my tax dollars to support your crooked rear in jail. I want companies to only hire legally. If there are seasonal jobs that can not be filled then like most other companies the federal government should develop a temporary workers visa, and the companies skirting that should be fined and jailed. No I don't want you to hire illegally and no.

bluedawg79 6 years ago

LarryNative, people don't answer your question because no one likes the options either way. They don't want illegals or higher prices. Well it isn't an option until we as society stop feeding into the belief that we have to have that 4 bedroom, 4 bathroom, 3 car garage house in the best neighborhood in town, wear only the best clothes, drive the best cars, and be better than all our neighbors. That's apparently the new American Dream. The old one, owning a home, having a job, feeding your family, being a steward to the community, shoot, that's so mid-twentieth century. We must have it ALL!

bluedawg79 6 years ago

So, the first step is knowing we have a problem, check. The next is knowing what the problem is, check. Now how to solve the problem, errrrrr. That's the tough one.

pace 6 years ago

I believe you are wrong. The cost of illegal hiring isn't saving the working class money. It is costing jobs, straining work place standards. The people who cry they only hire illegally to keep the cost down for the middle class are lying. They hire illegally because they can skim their money off hard working backs. not pay a fair wage for work down and usually avoid paying taxes.

Sunny Parker 6 years ago

Carpenters, Painters, Drywall, Roofers, Concrete...there are so many out of work!

akt2 6 years ago

Bi-lingual would be a good thing to be if your second language is spanish. Translators are needed everywhere these days. You need to know some spanish though. That way when you go on the job site you can understand them when they call you fat and bald. Then you can proceed to their foreman and inform them that you understand spanish and to tell their workers to keep their mouths shut. True story.

myownme 6 years ago

The ICE needs to sweep DFC Company. I know for sure there are illegals stealing american jobs there.

jhawkinsf 6 years ago

Whenever illegal immigration is discussed here, there is a lot of talk about big business exploiting it's workers, driving down wages, etc. I've always suspected that much of the hiring across the country is by relatively small companies simply in need of workers. The types of companies I'm talking about are the construction company, restaurant, lawn care service, with 10-20 employees, not the big corporations that come to mind when reading the posts here. That said, I have no idea what type of company Sunflower Paving is or how many employees it has. If anyone knows, I would appreciate the information. Thank you.

thepartimarshall 6 years ago

They usually have 20 to 30 for the concrete and around 20 for the ashfault. I know there is atleast one mexican that had one name for about a year and they came up and said his social security number didn't work and then he came back to work with a different name and he still works there. Don't believe anything that the heads of sunflower say.

allamerican4ever 6 years ago

does it matter if its 10 or 20 if they work illegals it stops the guy working americans. he cant compete with him pays no benifits to them theyre a burden on society

jhawkinsf 6 years ago

It's a matter of degrees. A very large company presumably has greater resources to check the immigration status of prospective employees. They may have an entire HR dept. set up to deal with employee issues. A restaurant with 8 or 9 employees that needs a cook and a dishwasher now, doesn't have the resources necessary to make such an inquiry. They just need that burger cooked now and those dishes washed now, or else as a restaurant, they are going to fail. And while there have been many posts blaming corporations for illegal immigration, I'm not convinced that that argument is accurate. I still believe that the bulk of the hiring is happening as I described above, by small to medium sized local businesses.

pace 6 years ago

It is a matter of degrees? Small business, large corporations have a person in front of them, applying for a job. Check them out.. I ran a restaurant , I checked back grounds. Came up with a book keeper with a bad habit of theft. i didn't hire them. Another cafe did. Oh they got robbed by him. Checking them out is just one part of the job of hiring, another is to make your own personal effort. I find the automatic excuse that the small business can't afford to hire legally, scant. You probably don't know about restaurant management. It is important to know who you hire. I admit it is tough to compete with a company who is cheating by hiring illegally, who doesn't comply with work place standards, but , no, your solution to not require businesses to operate honestly isn't fair or workable for either honest businesses or to consumers. The solution is to stop the crooks hiring illegally.

myownme 6 years ago

ThestonesSuck : ok I'm a snitch because I'm an honest law abiding citizen.. while my family struggles to put food on the table due to lay offs from this company. But the illegals get to continue to work

Majestic42 6 years ago

If you're not for them, you're obviously racist.

TheStonesSuck 6 years ago

You're a snitch because you dropped the dime on somebody. Anyway, it was a joke. Self-preservation is the first law of nature.

beatrice 6 years ago

Thank you President Obama for making sure the U.S. Immigration department is going after illegal immigrants with criminal records, and doing so at a much greater rate than past administrations.

thepartimarshall 6 years ago

I am raciist. I can't stand A -H--e ' matter what color but we all were imagrates at one time and if I could come here from another country where everyone was staving I would do it too but I used to work for this company and long before the ones they had and still have working there. We would get slow in the winter and all of the long term whites would be sitting at home while they worked. I would bet that the ones deported are either back to work or on there way. Sunflower probably even sent them the money to get back. One last thing don't believe anyrthing thery say they lied to me and the other employees all the time. This is not close to the worst this company does.

kansasfire911 6 years ago

The real question is, ONLY 2? Seriously?! Drive up and down 6th street any day in the spring and they can put 3 lawn buisness out of commision.

yourworstnightmare 6 years ago

"But the illegals get to continue to work"

Gosh, why do you suppose this is?

How about if you quit your carping and go out and work for very little money and no benefits, work your way to success?

Oh, but I forgot. The illegals are taking all of the jobs that you would do in a minute, right? Riiiiggghht!

jhawkinsf 6 years ago

The other argument though is that if the illegal immigrants were not here to take the jobs, employers would be forced to pay more to attract workers. I'm not sure it's a totally valid argument, but it's another way of looking at it.

jafs 6 years ago


But then the argument continues that businesses will raise prices, making the costs of various things go up for all of us.

BruceWayne 6 years ago

Bill from Kansas has a sheetrock crew. Bill will do job for say $8.00 per foot. Bill has 3 Lawrence guys that work for him. 2 own homes and pay insurance, have a spouse that works, pays for school and daycare, has multiple vehicles and are saving for a vacation in Florida. The other guy is young and going to vo-tech while renting an apartment with his girlfriend. They are all current on bills and taxes. Bill has been in the business 17 years. Jose from Mexico and his crew of 8 will do the job for $6.00 per foot and do it twice as fast. they are not legal resident aliens, nor do they have a work visa. Jose and his crew all live in an apartment and share a van to get to work. They will only shop at Mexican owned groceries, and will only go to a local business to use the microwave. They do not speak english. They do not pay taxes, or have insurance. Jose will send 80% of what he is paid back to Mexico. In 5 years Jose and his crew will all go back to Mexico and live like kings.

Which do you hire?

beatrice 6 years ago

I wonder if the letter writer shops at Wal-Mart.

Does it matter if the person from another country taking an American job is actually within our borders?

kawrivercrow 6 years ago

It is funny how the PC word to describe an illegal alien is 'undocumented immigrant', yet these illegal aliens' presence in the USA was well-documented on numerous occasions. Likewise with the naked Mexican illegal alien in KC who was recently caught during an attempted rape. He had been deported 4 times, yet they insist he was merely 'undocumented', as opposed to being here under criminal conditons.

Christine Anderson 6 years ago

Personally, I do not mind having to use my Spanish to order at McDonald's or anywhere else. I often get it wrong, but the employee and I both laugh over it, I enjoy the food, and life goes on. Yes, I understand that illegal is illegal, but still I have more compassion for Mexicans who work hard and send the money back to their families, as opposed to those from ANY country who come/stay here by means of marriage fraud.

jafs 6 years ago

Why is that?

Those who commit "marriage fraud" are here illegally. Those who enter the country illegally are here illegally.

What's the difference?

bolshavik_vw 6 years ago

Hire American workers. Please Americans are lazy. And will not work for little or no money. Well that's sad. And instead of being the one to gripe. Just roll up your sleeves, go to work and stop it. A little money is better than no money. To me a job is a job. And so what if someone made all kinds of $ and they got cut. Just look for work, no matter what, it may not be what you are used to, Well that is why everyone has to learn to LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS! Destroy the Credit Cards, USE CASH! You know the green paper stuff you get when you use your ATM CARD. cut back, to simple and basic items until you are able to go back to what you are used to, At least before you do this, make sure everything is paid, and everyone is taken care of. And I was raised to take any job. And to live a lot with very little. No matter what. I own everything thing I have. I do not have to worry about some repo guy taking my car, Furniture etc. I use cash. My bills get paid. And I have no children. And yes my husband and I get to take the dogs and go on a vacation. More than one actually. And I am pretty happy.

Flap Doodle 6 years ago

Speaking of what some illegal aliens bring to America: "...Danny Zamora's first felony conviction came for stealing a car in 1993, his cohort Saul Salinas at his side. A litany of arrests followed. His final prison stint came for running heroin in the streets for the Texas Syndicate, the state's oldest prison gang. While doing time in federal prison, he made his first Mexican cartel connection. Zamora would catapult from errand boy to player. After his release in 1998 from the prison in Big Spring - a few months early for good behavior - Zamora was deported back to his native Monterrey, Mexico. No matter. His bravado was raging. From Monterrey, he called the shots and served as the bridge between the cartel that brought in tons of cocaine from Colombia, and his family in Houston who helped move the drugs...."

Read the rest, it's a heck of a story.

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