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Kansas House advances bill putting restrictions on sexually oriented businesses

March 8, 2011, 8:41 a.m. Updated March 9, 2011, 8:49 a.m.

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— Restrictions on strip clubs, stores that sell sex toys and other adult businesses in Kansas won first-round approval Tuesday in the state House, even though critics told majority Republicans they were drifting away from their party’s small-government position.

The bill, advanced on a voice vote, contains the proposed Community Defense Act, statewide limits on the locations and hours of operation of adult businesses. The House expects to take final action today, and both sides expect the measure to pass and go to the Senate.

The legislation would require adult businesses to remain closed from midnight to 6 a.m. and prohibit new businesses within 1,000 feet of the property line of existing similar businesses or any school, library, day care center or house of worship. There would be a “no touch” rule for employees and customers, but strip clubs and adult cabarets could still serve alcohol. Semi-nude dancers at clubs would have to keep at least 6 feet away from their customers.

Supporters of the bill said they’re trying to protect Kansans from any damage to communities from adult businesses, which they said include blight, lower property values and higher crime. They said small communities often can’t afford to resist adult businesses that are willing to file lawsuits to challenge local restrictions or adverse zoning decisions.

“This bill protects the rural, low-population areas, very much like my district, that don’t have resources to fight this battle in court,” said Rep. Forrest Knox, an Altoona Republican.

Many critics have argued the bill isn’t necessary and that the regulation of adult businesses is best left to cities and counties. But during Tuesday’s debate, they tried to appeal to Republicans, whose 92-33 majority in the House includes many conservatives who have argued that government is too intrusive and needs to lessen its regulation of private businesses.

Rep. Bob Bethell, an Alden Republican and longtime Baptist pastor, said he doesn’t like adult businesses but is wary of the bill.

“I listen to the principles of the Republican Party, which are smaller government, no mandates, local control, choices,” he said.

Knox acknowledged that he’s spoken often in favor of a smaller, less intrusive government and even has said, “We don’t need government to be our mama.”

“But there’s another American principle that’s just as important,” he said. “It’s traditional family values.”

The House approved a similar bill last year. But in the Senate, where members complained they didn’t have enough time to adequately study the measure, the vote was 20-20.

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witchfindergeneral 3 years, 1 month ago

No real surprises here--this kind of legislative hypocrisy is as Old School Republican as, say, intentionally surprising minority voter turnout at polls or good 'ol homophobia.

Of course the GOP is wants a completely free market, libertarian state free of nanny (read: socialist!) trappings EXCEPT when it comes to sexual/reproductive expression, education, orientation, and, well, general freedom. They'll justify this blatant hypocrisy by falling back on two equally Old School Republican "virtues"--fundamentalist Christianity (sex=bad) and its pseudo-cousin, "family values" ("think of the children!").

I, for one, think Nevada might be on the something...

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true_patriot 3 years, 1 month ago

More big government meddling in the lives of adult citizens and workers. Maybe they ought to focus on job creation and figuring out how to balance the state budget.

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Beer Guy 3 years, 1 month ago

Put all the strip clubs in Kansas on one block and you still couldn't match the blight and crime KU creates. Any thoughts on when "the Bill to close universities to protect families act" will pass?

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seeker_of_truth 3 years, 1 month ago

The Republican family values issues do not mean they endorse normal heterosexual interests.

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Ken Lewis 3 years, 1 month ago

I had several KS "representatives" tell me they were not suprised at the overwhelming number of blog comments opposing the bill on the State's local news outlets......but they voted for it anyway. They just dont care what you think.

KC Star wont touch it. I guess they dont want anyone to know until it has passed the Senate and it is too late to comment. The legilsature is rushing to get this through before anyone can comment.

They call this the "Community Defense Act". And they say they are not running them out of business. Well if the community is the concern then runing them out would make sense. They are passing a law the severely disadvantages them and limits what goes on inside in order to run them financially out of business so they dont have to take direct responsibility. What goes on inside is not a community issue. The community cannot see that unless they patronize the club.

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pace 3 years, 1 month ago

I wonder if legislators realize when they protect "traditional" family values they actually have sworn an oath to their duty of protecting the rights of untraditional family. Traditional family values include cheating husbands, slapping the kids around and keeping the secrets. Protect nontraditional people's rights, those that value their word, kindness, found family, friendship. The word traditional does not mean good to me. Old dogs covering up the leavings of other old dogs.

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Maracas 3 years, 1 month ago

Sometimes it's embarrassing to be a Kansan, especially when the far right starts doing its knuckleheady stuff in the name of "traditional family values". For fun, try to get them to define "traditional family values". Guess what? They can't. I've asked them.

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mizzou_fan01 3 years, 1 month ago

they forgot that when women work at strip clubs is not cause they not just want money but some of them can't find jobs, cause jobs look into your back ground, you can't have arrest record, you gotta have good credit. and somtimes they just can't find a job cause the economy. so what else can they do to help them support their kids....they will have to look toward us the taxpayers cause they would be applying for welfare checks in the future.

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Marcus DeMond 3 years, 1 month ago

“It’s traditional family values” motivating this. I hope they don't decide bikinis are "morally too revealing" when I am at the pool. Where does it end???

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jackbinkelman 3 years, 1 month ago

"trying to protect Kansans from any damage to communities from adult businesses" Who's going to protect our communities from the far right republicans?

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fu7il3 3 years, 1 month ago

The economy is crumbling around us, gas prices are skyrocketing, there are political tensions in the middle east as governments attack peaceful protesters, and Kansas hasn't given pay raises in four years due to a stagnant economy with an overwhelming deficit.

Thank God they are addressing the issue of people looking at boobs.

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somedude20 3 years, 1 month ago

Looking at the pictures of these House people, they had better hope no legislation gets passed limiting the amount of trips one can make to the all you can eat buffet. Happy they are looking out for me but they should be looking at themselves (if they can see their whole refection in a mirror) and fixing themselves but not little ole me.

What would Charlie Sheen do? (WWCSD) FAILING!!!

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Jaminrawk 3 years, 1 month ago

Oh thank GOD. Because when I think of the state of Kansas I think of high crime rates everywhere because of adult businesses!

Actually, I think of a bunch of Republican bureaucrats that preach "small government" but still want to enforce their belief systems on the people that live here through legislation. Thankfully we have the type of state leaders that want to maintain Kansas' status as a back-water, non-progressive, group of Bible-thumping hicks!

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mizzou_fan01 3 years, 1 month ago

I found this very amusing, i mean there's no touch rule and that Supporters of the bill said they’re trying to protect Kansans from any damage to communities from adult businesses, which they said include blight, lower property values and higher crime. from what i read in the newspaper or even watch the news, there alot more crime happen around regular clubs and/or bars. and im wondering if ppl only base this off of what they hear on the news but never actually been to a strip club? i admit there are some problems in the adult business. but isn't there problems in other clubs. i think they use adult business to make it look like they are doing something about the problems that arise

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nut_case 3 years, 1 month ago

The legislation would require:

Adult businesses to remain closed from midnight to 6 a.m. - Stupid, baseless restriction when bars and other establishments can stay open.

Prohibit new businesses within 1,000 feet of the property line of existing similar businesses or any school, library, day care center or house of worship. - Fair enough, but I don't know of a single instance where this would be in effect currently?

There would be a “no touch” rule for employees and customers, but strip clubs and adult cabarets could still serve alcohol. - There mostly is anyway, from what I remember in my youth. Also depends on what you mean by 'touch'

Semi-nude dancers at clubs would have to keep at least 6 feet away from their customers. - Another stupid, baseless restriction. If you're not touching what is the difference of 6 feet or 6 inches?

Supporters of the bill said they’re trying to protect Kansans from any damage to communities from adult businesses, which they said include blight, lower property values and higher crime. - The 1000 foot rule should help with that, most everything else is just some uber conservative desire to impose their wishes on everyone else.

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somedude20 3 years, 1 month ago

Not fair! Why do priests get to keep on touching (and groping) in their house of worship but strippers are not allowed to in theirs? At least in a strip club you know what you are going to get unlike church when you go in to be saved and come out with a scars

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pace 3 years, 1 month ago

I think the media is unfair, what an ugly bunch of faces in the picture. Grim. pursed mouthed, couldn't they have said cheese?

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Paul R Getto 3 years, 1 month ago

The American Taliban, Kochkansas chapter, seems to be on the right track. I hope they don't discover people are naked under their clothes; they might mandate everyone wearing two sets just in case the first one falls off. Maybe this could lead to school uniforms too? http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/travel/countries/afghanistan-photos/#/afghanistan-hotel_2137_600x450.jpg

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Grant_Runyun 3 years, 1 month ago

Don't worry people, in Governor Brownback's inauguration speech, he stated that he wanted the citizens of Kansas to be the freest people in the world, so a veto should be a guarantee.

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 1 month ago

After reading all the above comments I can only conclude that Kansas is one of the most liberal/progressive states around. If, by chance social conservatives are in office, it must be an aberration. Certainly they stole the election and it will be overwhelmingly changed in the next cycle.
Actually, I am no fan of the bill at hand. I've stated in the past that sexually oriented stores should not be near schools, parks or other places children are likely to be. Other than that, I could care less where they are and I don't believe they should be banned.
That said, elections have consequences. I absolutely hope all of you go out and vote in the next election. I hope liberals and conservatives all vote in record high numbers. The greatest threat to democracy is apathy.

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naturalist 3 years, 1 month ago

Does something such as this that affects so few people have to be on the agenda before issues that will help employ people and preserve income-generating and service-providing agencies? Sheesh.

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nomansland 3 years, 1 month ago

And I set back and laugh from that Mountain state to your west at all you fools who voted for these clowns. God, Kansas is in such a sad state of affairs!

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midwestarts 3 years, 1 month ago

My question is...when was the last time our law makers in this state read the Communist Manifesto by Engels and Marx? I read it not too long ago and the current stuff that is happening in this state seems to be following that book pretty closely in policies and theories...

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indrid_cold 3 years, 1 month ago

Religious conservatives and sexual liberals, endpoints of the two-tailed, headless hump.

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seeker_of_truth 3 years, 1 month ago

But the the Republicans don't need this type of action. Theirs is done via wide stance in bathroom stalls or texting with congressional pages.

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4getabouit 3 years, 1 month ago

This is just the beginning. The beat of the bible-thumpers grows stronger every day.

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riverdrifter 3 years, 1 month ago

"They're economic dead-ends," Knox said.

Being from Altoona, Knox should know all about economic dead ends. If a sexually oriented business opened in Altoona it would be no worse than the third largest business in town.

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none2 3 years, 1 month ago

1) People, this is progress. The Republicans are working on BIG time jobs for the state of Kansas.
a) There is going to be a chastity belt factory. b) There is going to be a Muslim fundamentalist school. c) There is going to be a thermometer factory for natural family planning. d) There is going to be a Christian Amazon warehouses

   These job creation stories won't come to pass if we don't have good morals and plenty of virgins.  So be thankful, the next virgin may be responsible for the job that feeds your family.

2) These immoral businesses would have gotten a lot better press if instead of giving the girls money, they had given them a certificate for a covenant marriage. It is time for the guys that frequent these places to give the gift that keeps giving -- marry them. If that seems too prudish, ask the proprietor of the club if you can buy the pole she danced on so that she can use it to entertain you until the day you die.

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Shane Garrett 3 years, 1 month ago

I say death to these tularemia tyrannical trouble muckers.

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 1 month ago

Yay! The GOP is bringing us more freedom and liberty!

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Kontum1972 3 years, 1 month ago

hey Jess...they probably havent read the constitution.....they probably cant even recite the whole constitution....from memory

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Kontum1972 3 years, 1 month ago

well we common folk will not know when they have their own prvt parties.....they will just fly in the high class entertainment.....from vegas

pisst...pass that slipper of champagne over this why..plz...and keep the tip....wink wink...

we are off to a good start.....next week brings more good news

we will probably invade Missouri...

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Roland Gunslinger 3 years, 1 month ago

Sent the following to my rep:

I just wanted to pass on my thanks for voting to advance the nanny state. I can't wait until a legislator writes a bill that tells me when I have to go to bed. Obviously consenting adults can't be trusted to make their own decisions about how to live their lives. They must have the government tell them how to live it.

Putting restrictions on where adult business can go is one thing. Regulating what goes on inside them is another. If you don't want a lap dance don't go a strip club. Plain and simple. But how dare you tell me I can't do what I want with another consenting adult!

Save me your "there was a lot of support for this bill" story. Slavery was popular at one time too. So was segregation. Popular doesn't mean right. The Constitution. Individual freedom. Those trump all.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Definition: Liberty- immunity from arbitrary exercise of authority; freedom of choice; the condition in which human beings are able to govern themselves, to behave according to their own free will and take responsibility for their actions.

Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed. So should you.

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QuinnSutore 3 years, 1 month ago

These clubs, their employees & their patrons probably don't pay any taxes anyway. Good on taking away another distraction so all these people can get real jobs and quit wasting their money.

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seeker_of_truth 3 years, 1 month ago

Why don't the idiotic Republican legislators work at solving the states real problems?

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William Weissbeck 3 years, 1 month ago

Logically, you would think locating such clubs next to churches might be a good thing, a requirement. It would definitely put a damper on business and/or increase Sunday collections from those needing to atone for their sins. I doubt this is even a major issue for much longer since you can just about view on the computer anything your heart desires and that can be put on a Visa. Gotta love the guys in Southeast Kansas - shut down the strip clubs, but open up the casinos. I wonder if the tables would be turned, if only the girls charged more and paid taxes.

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Ken Lewis 3 years, 1 month ago

When I engaged Rep Greg Brown on this issue today. Screw you is basically what he said when I challenged his assertions of "violence and death" at these clubs. I asked him to provide specific examples and convictions of such in KS. He provided nothing but this response. He is determined to believe the lies of zealots.

"You have not presented one cogent point in defense of your opposition to the bill. I have neither the time nor the inclination to debate this issue with you further. It is over. The House has passed the bill to final action. It will be voted on tomorrow and it will most likely pass. It is now a Senate issue. Take is up with your senator."

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BABBOY 3 years, 1 month ago

I think the strip bar bill is just a distraction tactic while they close places like KNI, eliminate jobs with long term state workers, and destroy the schools, and make it impossible for the schools to challenge their funding in court......

The strip bar bill is stupid and the Senate will likely kill it or make it more moderate but the point is they distract people with BS like this while they are doing bigger harm with less colorful issues….

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overthemoon 3 years, 1 month ago

Well. This is amazing. I'm not sure I have ever seen a thread of comments on the LJW that are so consistently in agreement with one another.

For more on the 'Small Gov't' hypocrisy, check out recent voting by the almost 100% GOP legislature in Wyoming. Rachel Maddow has been covering this quite thoroughly though I haven't seen much other press about it. Their bill to ban and not recognize gay marriage was shockingly defeated when a few intelligent legislators started pointing out the disparity between 'Small Government' and legislating morals. As Rachel frames it, 'real conservatives' are starting to resist the pull of the moralistic fringes and stick to their true principles. This is a good thing. Maybe next up will be real discussions about real issues that will lead us back to prosperity.

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Shane Garrett 3 years, 1 month ago

We should follow our brothers in Egypt and Libya. Take up arms and throw these moral liers out into the street. Long live Free Enterprise.

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Floyd Craig 3 years, 1 month ago

impeach them wow they sure foold a lot of the people they said one thing n doing what they had on thier minds to start with wonder where those bozos came from

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The_Original_Bob 3 years, 1 month ago

Newlywed Anna is out of a job if this goes through.

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MacHeath 3 years, 1 month ago

Yeah, I agree this is a huge problem that must be dealt with! Think of all those poor phoules that lost a grand or two because he lent some devious stripper money! And what man, in his right mind, would want to touch a young, nude girl anyway? Its shameful, I tell ya! Can't they just masturbate without all that?! And oh yeah, the prostitution at these sorts of places is rampant! I don't know how many times I had to taser a young girl, begging for me to take her home with me, have sex, and give her money! More times than I can count, I'll tell ya that! And, I am pretty sure I got pink-eye at one of those horrible places once! We must put an end to this deviant scourge! We like the casinos because of the tax revenue. Look at all the money we have been able to pour into schools, and heath care, as a result! And no person, or family has ever been hurt by gambling at a Casino! We all know that! Not ironic...This is one of the stupidest usages of time and legislation I have ever seen. Who are the people these idiots are trying to protect? The patrons? The dancers? Are they upset that strippers rarely claim their tips as income? What?

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Restaurant_Man 3 years, 1 month ago

With our state’s economy in shambles, this is the best our elected officials can do? Instead of trying to help small business create jobs, they are looking for ways to close these businesses which will cut out not only employee wages, but alcohol tax revenue and tax revenue on profits. That is less employed Kansans paying income tax and less sales tax revenue coming into the state’s coffers! What does this accomplish? The only thing any Kansas legislator can say about this is “This will look good to the voters when I run again, even though we will have to cut social services and education while wasting our time in office!” Surely we elected them to do better with our tax dollars. Come on Legislators, there are bigger problems that need your attention than this!

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mbulicz 3 years, 1 month ago

I'm glad that, in a world fraught with wars, economic turmoil, and corruption, our number one priority is bouncing mammaries. Surely this legislation will stop people from seeing naked people.

I hear the makers of the one-piece swimsuit got a Nobel Peace Prize for their work, as they single-handedly ended the scourge of armed conflicts breaking out at public pools. Scientists began to envision a new world peace, one in which the natural form of the human body was shamed and hidden. We've continued this brave push to legislate morality and criminalize sexuality. They've done well with this approach in the Middle East, a region made peaceful and civil by covering all of their women head to toe. America has worked to adopt this model and become a peaceful society of violent repression.

All good Anglo-Saxton Protestant Americans know the most devastating attack to our freedoms came in 2004 in the form of Janet Jackson's bare breast. The disaster was on a scale so large that scientists now use the metric base unit "nipple" to describe how harmful atom bombs are (with most clocking in at about 10-12 kNips, for perspective). It's so nice that we're funneling time and attention into keeping such a devastating attack from happening again on American soil. I know for a fact that, were another single breast exposed, the horsemen of the apocalypse would draw high for an impromptu mastectomy / armageddon.

And sex shops? They HAVE to go! I hear inner city convenience stores have been held up with bull whips! Where else are all these criminals getting their weapons, like personal massagers and silk nighties? These shops are a danger to society, obviously. Plus, they harm our economy so much by bringing in legitimate tax dollars for legal purchases!

Bravo, Brownback, for keeping us safe from cleavage, dancers, and personal massagers. We can now lead a safe and privileged life like yours: free of naked women, personal enjoyment, and apparent logic.

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hujiko 3 years, 1 month ago

Since this past election, the repugnants have only really been passing laws to curtail certain freedoms they view immoral, doesn't look like job creation or small government to me. Thanks for keeping Kansas' best interest at heart you dullards.

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Ken Lewis 3 years, 1 month ago

Go tell them what you think of thier poor prioties. We have much bigger problems than entertaining the lies of zealots.

http://kslegislature.org/li/

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Ken Lewis 3 years, 1 month ago

What about all these new freshman members of the legislature who ran on the political platform of "small govt", "more freedom", "individual liberities", "civil liberties"? Read the newsletters from many of your State politicians and you will see words like this in thier platfrom. Now, is it time to see if they mean or if they are just hypocrites who want to use these words as rhetoric to get re-elected.

Any many of these politicans ran on creating and preserving job. This will eliminate jobs. We have bigger problems in KS than strip clubs.

What are the real problems with these clubs? And the rational truth this time. We dont need anymore hysterical lies from zealots. Many of these clubs are located in remote areas. And what consenting adults do inside is NO business of the State. The kids dont see that because they are not allowed inside. And if adults dont like what goes on inside....DONT GO IN. But that does not give you the right to shove your moral standards on us via State law. This is a Republic not a Theocracy.

If they want to worry about the kids, then look at where the exposure is. How many times do you see women in bikinis or "nude", as they call it, on the front cover of popular magazines in the grocery store check out isle? It is every day of every week. This is what the kids do see and its right at thier eye level. Stop worrying about what adults do in private. That is irrelevant to raising kids. Mom and Dad do thier deal in private and it is no concern of the govt......neither is this.

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7texdude 3 years, 1 month ago

They are going to cut strip clubs and it will result in hundreds of thousands of dollars in tax revenue for Kansas. Then, to fix the deficit, they will cut schools even more next year. How are the clueless young girls going to make money? Waiting tables?

Great idea, Republicans.

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Agnostick 3 years, 1 month ago

"Sexually-oriented business" = church, temple, mosque, synagogue or any other place where money is received (voluntarily or involuntarily) in exchange for moral or religious doctrine.

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Agnostick 3 years, 1 month ago

I'll bet this is another of "The Cleanser's" legislative circle jerks.

One side of the aisle may want your money... but the other only wants your life and liberty!

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mbulicz 3 years, 1 month ago

Ah, yeah, this is such a huge problem in Kansas. I know every time they put up an elementary school, there are six strip clubs opening up next to it within weeks.

/sarcasm

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Kirk Larson 3 years, 1 month ago

Look for an increase in prostitution. There's your free market for you.

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RogueThrill 3 years, 1 month ago

What happened to free markets?

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Keith 3 years, 1 month ago

They'll be spending more money we don't have unsuccessfully defending these religious laws.

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Jock Navels 3 years, 1 month ago

smaller government? hahahaha...do you think the republicans will make us buy our own shackles before they shuffle us all off to the mines in Kochistan?

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kthxbi 3 years, 1 month ago

well here is what our representative had to say when I asked if the Federal and State Affairs Committee could better spend it's time:

I fully support the bill in its current form and will work with all my ability to pass it through the House without amendments.

Thanks for taking an interest in not only your local community but the state as a whole. I feel this bill will address a growing problem in the state. I think the state should regulate this industry because we have the knowledge of how harmful these businesses are to our great community.

Thank you for contacting me.

Take Care,

Anthony R. Brown 38th District

So you know who not to vote for next time!

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TheStonesSuck 3 years, 1 month ago

I AM SOOOO HAPPY WITH THE NEW FOCUS ON REGULATING SOCIETY, WHILE ALLOWING BUSINESS TO RUN ROUGHSHOD OVER EVERYTHING!!1 THANKS KOCHS, YOU'RE WONDERFUL PEOPLE, AND REALLY HAVE KANSANS' BEST INTERESTS IN MIND! Thanks, guys, voting in these new officials was pure genius!!!!!

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TheStonesSuck 3 years, 1 month ago

NAN-NY STATE! NAN-NY STATE! NAN-NY STATE!!!! everyone now!! NAN-NY STATE! NAN-NY STATE!!1 NAN-NY STATE!!!!!

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Jan Rolls 3 years, 1 month ago

I'm glad the house is busy working on a jobs plan.

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Jimo 3 years, 1 month ago

Vote for small gov't and end up with big gov't. When will voters learn?

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