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Kobach praises new Alabama law he helped write that cracks down on illegal immigrants

June 9, 2011

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— Another state, another law cracking down on illegal immigration with an assist from Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach.

Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley on Thursday signed into law a bill that both sides of the illegal immigration issue are calling the toughest in the country, surpassing that of Arizona.

In addition to helping write the Arizona law, which caused a national furor, Kobach helped write the Alabama measure, which has re-ignited debate over how far states can go in fighting illegal immigration.

When the Alabama Legislature passed the law last week, Kobach, a Republican and constitutional attorney, said, “Alabama is now the new No. 1 state for immigration enforcement.”

The Alabama measure authorizes state and local police to ask about the immigration status of people they stop. It requires public schools to determine the citizenship status of students.

It also makes it a crime to knowingly rent housing to an illegal immigrant and requires Alabama employers to use the E-Verify database to see if their workers are citizens.

In addition, it requires immigrants to carry documentation showing their legal status and makes it a crime to transport an illegal immigrant.

And the new law copies the SAFE Act just passed in Kansas, requiring voters to show photo ID to vote and proof of citizenship to register.

“When we passed the SAFE Act in Kansas, I said it was my hope that other states would copy the Kansas model, so that elections in other states could be secured too. That hope is already becoming a reality,” Kobach said in response to news that Bentley signed into law the Alabama measure.

Critics of the SAFE Act say it will depress voter turnout among minorities and the elderly by putting up new hurdles to vote and register.

Civil rights groups say they will mount a legal challenge to the Alabama law, which is set to take effect Sept. 1.

“By signing this bill into law, Gov. Bentley is willing to sacrifice the civil liberties of all Alabamans, eroding the rights of millions of people living and working in this state,” said Olivia Turner, executive director of the ACLU of Alabama.

“This law undermines core American values of fairness and equality, subjecting both citizens and noncitizens alike to unlawful racial profiling, and does nothing to ensure the safety and economic security of Alabama,” she said.

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JustNoticed 3 years, 11 months ago

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blindrabbit 3 years, 11 months ago

Kansas' Kris Kobach just another KKK with the same beliefs!

ksjayhawk74 3 years, 11 months ago

It's a crime to give an illegal immigrant a ride... Why stop there? How about prosecuting people that feed illegal immigrants or give them food? How about prosecuting children if they play with illegal immigrant children?

pace 3 years, 11 months ago

Kobachs adopted state Arizona (some towns) has made it against the law to feed the homeless and illegal immigrants. Nice, ho. ho. ho, what would Kobach do. he would kick them and then tell himself "well done".

beatrice 3 years, 11 months ago

"The Alabama measure authorizes state and local police to ask about the immigration status of people they stop."

And just like what happened in Arizona, this will be ruled unconstitutional before the law is ever enforced. This won't be resolved until it goes to the Supreme Court. Of course, given the partisanship of the current court, carrying your papers at all times should you be stopped by the police for questioning might just become a reality for all of us, but particularly so if you are Hispanic.

KSManimal 3 years, 11 months ago

The problem as I see it falls under the 14th amendment (equal protection of the law). If anyone of non-white descent is expected to carry proof of their legal status....but I am not; this would appear to violate the constitution.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 11 months ago

It's not anyone who is non-white . It might be anyone speaking with a strong foreign accent, be they from China, Germany, Mexico or South Africa.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 11 months ago

There has to be a solution between the "show me your papers" fascism you describe and the virtual open door policy that now exists. We need to deport illegal aliens whenever they come into contact with authorities and we need to hold employers responsible for hiring them.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 11 months ago

I was responding to the writer's concern about the white, non-white issue. Speaking a foreign language without an accent is difficult.

deec 3 years, 11 months ago

I have a relative who was born in Kansas City to two genuine born-here citizens, but raised in France. She's been back in the US for about 20 years, but still has an accent. I have other relatives who were born in Europe and became citizens, but still speak with a heavy accent and speak Czech at home. Should these people be required to carry papers?

jhawkinsf 3 years, 11 months ago

Instead of focusing on flaws with what others are suggesting, perhaps you would be so kind as to give a real world solution.

deec 3 years, 11 months ago

Increase fines for hiring illegal aliens with no opting out of fines for self-reporting violations. Boycott by consumers of corporations caught employing illegal aliens. Criminally prosecute corporate officers and hiring officials. Simplify the process for immigrating legally, like it was when Ellis Island was functional, or develop a fair and effective guest worker program that insures the human rights of workers who participate.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 11 months ago

Well your solution is to make more harsh on employers and easier on the illegal immigrants. Sounds like a one sided solution. Make things more harsh on both, since both are participating in breaking the law.

overthemoon 3 years, 11 months ago

How much money does he get for his out of state work and why are we paying him full time wages for supposedly doing his job here? I think we ought to make his salary an hourly rate...like 8-9 bucks an hour.

moonflower 3 years, 11 months ago

Consider this, maybe it just a marketing ploy. It's like having a doorman at a crummy bar. People might see the law and think that there is an actual reason on earth to go to a place like Alabama. You don't suppose that's why they pulled Kansas Tourism out of the Dept. of Commerce ?

blindrabbit 3 years, 11 months ago

beatrice: Agree with your comments about US Supreme Court settling this; but the Court as it is now composed is a joke!!! I am not a racist or religious bigot, but the Court is not representative of the United States as a whole as evidenced by the following. We in the fly-over part of the country have no representation. The justices have been appointed by both parties, so no bone to pick with that!

Justice Name Home State Law Degree Religious Affl.

John Roberts New York Harvard Catholic Samuel Alito New Jersey Yale Catholic Stephen Breyer California Harvard Jewish Ruth Bader Ginsburg New York Harvard Jewish Elena Kagan New York Harvard Jewish Anthony Kennedy California Harvard Catholic Anton Scalia New Jersey Harvard Catholic Sonia Sotomayor New York Yale Catholic Clarence Thomas Georgia Yale Catholic

jhawkinsf 3 years, 11 months ago

And the solution to this is what? An affirmative action program for the Supreme Court? An affirmative action for the Presidency? You've given an interesting bit of information but I'm not sure what the problem is and I can't begin to guess what a solution might be.

thtb 3 years, 11 months ago

Yet another example of Kobach not working for Kansans. He is on a crusade to stop people from voting.

gudpoynt 3 years, 11 months ago

correction... he's on a crusade to stop brown people from voting for Democrats.

Brian Hall 3 years, 11 months ago

Does he not enough to do in Kansas? I have yet to see any articles (other than the voter ID law) about things Kobach's done in Kansas. I don't know about you but if I was hired by someone do some work but spent all my time doing work for someone else, I would be fired.

And before people start saying that it's okay for someone to have two jobs, yes, most employers allow that as long as it doesn't affect your work for them. Considering he's tied up with lawsuits from Arizona, Nebraska, California (?) and, in the future, Alabama clearly it is affecting his work for Kansas.

Jan Rolls 3 years, 11 months ago

So the racist approves of the racist alabama law.

suggestionbox 3 years, 11 months ago

Wow. He is totally insane. Can we get some energy to get him out of office? How awful and out of touch can one person be?

Dan Eyler 3 years, 11 months ago

Thanks again Chris. Keep up the good work. If we have to battle through the racist slurs to enforce and secure our borders so be it. Thanks to all of you who are bravely moving forward with a common sense immigration policy that will in the end create a legal worker immigration policy that protects and defends our sovereignty but also realizes the need for the United States to allow legal immigration of the worlds best and brightest.

Rich Noever 3 years, 11 months ago

I totally agree. I had to cover my ears to block out the shrills of the progressives. Oh, it's such an inconvenience to prove my citizenship, What a burden! Give me a break!

boothillbilly 3 years, 11 months ago

Beg pardon, but are any of you from Alabama, ever worked in Alabama, or know anything about the state that has not been repeated on a comedy album? Or are you all just a bunch of people from a town in Kansas convinced that you know better than others by dint of the fact that you live in Lawrence?

Scott Morgan 3 years, 11 months ago

boot, I have and if not for the humidity actually loved the state. Spent several months in Hunzvull, or Huntsville as they say it around here.

riverdrifter 3 years, 11 months ago

KK(K) is in it for the money, ala Palin, Beck, etc.Wants to tap into the rightwing money well. Hey, it's there...

wheels 3 years, 11 months ago

Isn't it kind of tacky to look at a law that you helped to write and announce your approval of it? It's a proposed solution. Wait to see if it works before you write home about it.

woodscolt 3 years, 11 months ago

kobach is a virus. It is reaching epidemic proportions. It will be dealt with.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 11 months ago

That's bold talk for a whiny little sing-along-with-Mitch.

gkerr 3 years, 11 months ago

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coloradoan 3 years, 11 months ago

I cannot find local kids to mow my lawn or shovel the sidewalks when it snows. Kids now think they're entitled to sit on their duffs, with no productive output. And those are easy jobs compared to the meatpacking industry jobs. So, gkerr, what do you suggest as a solution for getting people to do the dirty work our kids won't do? Serious question. I don't support illegal immigration, but, noone here seems to be willing to do the dirty work. We need to have a serious conversation without name-calling and derision.

somebodynew 3 years, 11 months ago

coloradoan - I can have a discussion w/o name calling. I agree with some of what you say, but also have heard the other side of the argument. Who willl take those "dirty" jobs??? Well during this latest, ongoing recession I heard a lot of people say they would take those jobs. Now, the problem is most expect decent pay,decent benefits and a somewhat safe working environment (and I am not talking Union stuff here), BUT some of these employers have learned they can get people really really cheap and they won't complain if they aren't here legally.

My solution (as with many others) is to go after the employers. Get the employers to offer those jobs to legal people and I think you will find people who will work. But the employers know when they have it good- cheap labor who won't complain and no real enforcement if they get "discovered" to have hired illegals.

tomatogrower 3 years, 11 months ago

So now the schools have to teach the kid to behave, because their parents are too busy being the kid's buddy to say no. The schools have to feed them, and I know some schools who help out with clothes for some kids, Now they have to do law enforcement? When do they have time to teach, and I wonder if the precious private school will have to do the same?

Determined 3 years, 11 months ago

I think the Catholics schools do provide a lot of "extras" which 50 years ago didn't fall under education. Also, Catholic schools are growing in the inner city. They are educating more minorities at a higher rate than previously because fewer private schools are opening in the inner cities.

As an educator we do feed, clothes and then attempt to educate. It's very frustrating.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 11 months ago

"When the Alabama Legislature passed the law last week, Kobach, a Republican and constitutional attorney, said, “Alabama is now the new No. 1 state for immigration enforcement.”"

Translation-- Alabama is now a police state, and and KKKobach has Kansas close behind.l

tbaker 3 years, 11 months ago

So politicians who champion national sovereignty and rule of law are promoting a police state? This is childish tantrum Bozo and you know it. The states are being forced to address immigration issues because the feds won't. We need immigration because the US birthrate is too low to maintain our population, but we also need secure borders. Both can be accomplished. Leaving that up to the states is a bad idea but doing nothing is worse.

KSManimal 3 years, 11 months ago

Anyone else notice that Kobach seems intent on passing strict immigration laws in OTHER states; but he hasn't done a damn thing in Kansas?

Hmmm.... One might suspect what he's doing is trying to drive a LOT of cheap, undocumented labor INTO Kansas. Now, who do we know who might profit from such labor in our fine state?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 11 months ago

That doesn't have enough discernible meaning to even qualify has hyperbolic.

Zachary Stoltenberg 3 years, 11 months ago

Just curious, why is absolutely NO other paper in the entire state of Kansas writing stories about this? Perhaps because it plays into the love to hate persona of our liberal hippy dips in Larryville. Why not do a story on why our state representatives have stalled on similar measures that would protect Kansans from the problems of illegal immigration? Let's deal with the real issue instead of putting out another puff piece designed to generate clicks by the neo-lib idiots in this town.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 11 months ago

Now that was pointless whine.

"by the neo-lib idiots"

You clearly have no idea of what "neo-liberal" means. Here's a hint-- it's more of a synonym of neoconservative than the use to which you are trying to put it.

Bob Burton 3 years, 11 months ago

As soon as we aliminate the RINO's in 2012, it will be time to get some good laws on the books..

gudpoynt 3 years, 11 months ago

Huge jobs program... only instead of actually creating jobs, the measure is designed to eliminate non-American workers. Interesting approach.

Scott Morgan 3 years, 11 months ago

Every sovereign nation in the world has immigration laws. In stating this, when we dust off and clean up ours the authors are called racist. This I do not understand?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 11 months ago

Immigration laws are often based in racism. It's always been that way, and the US is hardly alone in that.

Zachary Stoltenberg 3 years, 11 months ago

Let's pass an immigration law deporting bozos. Pack 'em up on buses and ship 'em back to the holes they crawled out of.

gkerr 3 years, 11 months ago

Nut bag, KKK, police state, Virus, racist, money grubber, just a few slurs against Kobach on this thread. Geez folks can't we defend our borders? Must we open ourselves to every undocumented immigrant who wants to come here? Literally hundreds, sometimes thousands are coming in each day. Not all are people looking for work, and even if they were, we have people looking for work by the millions. Some of the undocumenteds are here for evil intent, drugs, money laundering, weapons, infiltrating USA to harm and disrupt.

Only failed states, states without resolve to defend their nationhood, people who are so corrupt and dispirited they cannot, will not defend themselves, protect their possessions, families, and way of life do not defend their borders.

Folks, do you care if we survive as a nation of laws that are enforced? A majority of American citizens want this scofflaw administration to act, they won't, the States must act in their stead.

Wake up! Gkerr

gkerr 3 years, 11 months ago

vertigo, The law defends the border only indirectly. We have Federal laws regulating entry into our country. All immigrants must be documented and cannot stay indefinitely and cannot by law enter if they don't declare themselves and meet certain requirements stipulated in law. As you must know people are pouring into the country from the south, but north as well illegally, not qualified to enter by our laws, not registered or documented, not accounted for. Many of these illegals are wonderful folks eager to seek opportunity and prosperity. Many are not, but are thieves, druggers, cons on the run, money launderers. Some are even coming not to just prosper in the drug trade, but to injure and wound the country that for political or cultural reasons they loathe. But the influx of many sheep and some goats and wolves and worse is not documented or controlled in any effective fashion by this or the previous administrations. We have what 18 to 20% true unemployment and we are by some accounts on the verge of another deep recession or worse. We are 61 Trillion in debt on the Federal level alone. Debt is greater when states, cities, businesses, households, are added in. 61trillion is alot of money it makes defense of our laws even more difficult. We are wounded by some sort of near terminal acedia, some effete sense of helplessness and senility. We are losing our will to continue as a nation of law and liberty,
We must act. The Feds for various reasons, but at base political reasons choose to do little to protect our borders, instead we galavant around the world policing other people's borders and problems while squandering our will and wealth on others some of whom are deserving some not. States have every right to protect their laws and protect their resources from those who would use them illegally. The Feds won't do it so bit by bit the states must. California is hundreds of billions in debt and spends billions and billions of citizens money on folks who are there illegally. People are fed up.

This is not difficult to understand, not rocket science, we are drowning in debt and losing control of our laws. It simply can't go on. Gkerr

Kontum1972 3 years, 11 months ago

so how is it that our AG runs around the country dictating immigration policy when he doesnt even live in that state..if i was AG of a state and this nazi "dick" came into my area poking his nose in my business..i just might have to bust his ass....then ride him out on a rail to the state line and tell him that if he comes back to my state he is going to do some hard time in my jail and he will not get out as long as i am the head cop..

gkerr 3 years, 11 months ago

kontum1972,

Why be hysterical. Kobach is a constitutional lawyer of sorts. He's asked by other AGs to help craft complicated immigration law. Why do you loathe him so? Should we not enforce our immigration laws especially in light of high unemployment of our citizens and deep deep debt? As well as a dicey political situation where enemies who have attacked us in the past have sworn to attack us again and have and are daily entering illegally. Many of the current illegals are in the drug trade, or are flesh peddlers profiting in hauling people to illegal entry into USA. Gkerr

tomatogrower 3 years, 11 months ago

Standing in line for 15 minutes to write a check doesn't compare to the years that immigrants have to wait. And the clerk doesn't ever tell you that, sorry you don't get to drive legal this year, because you didn't win the lottery or have the right connections. And you don't have to watch your family go hungry while you are waiting. I suppose you thought comparing abortion insurance to keeping a spare tire in your car equal as well.

gudpoynt 3 years, 11 months ago

this.

perspective is not a strong suit for some.

CloveK 3 years, 11 months ago

Yep. That is a spare tire comparison if I ever saw one.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 11 months ago

But what do we say to those who are doing it the legal way. Too bad. Obey the rules and you don't get in but if you lie and cheat, you do get in. That's part of the dilemma we're now having. BTW - One of my parents is foreign born, a refugee of WW II. She spent many years trying to get into this country legally. During that time, my older sibling was born, so she too had to wait. But wait they did and come to this country legally is what they did. My spouse also was not born in this country. Born on a different continent than my parent, she too came here legally. It may be a difficult road, but not an impossible road. No one forces people to take another path to this country and it's certainly not WE who force them.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 11 months ago

Or we can cap the number of immigrants at the number of jobs available. Consider that some immigrants will be bringing dependents with them, so we should cap that number at the available classroom space or the amount of services available to their senior dependents.
Flooding the country with cheap labor and their dependents while we have soaring unemployment and a budget crisis makes no sense at all to me. However, when times are good, we have a balanced budget and full employment, then the numbers can be increased. What I'm calling for is a smart immigration policy. Not one where millions from around the world simply flood this country at a time when that will put increased pressure on our struggling economy.

xfitter 3 years, 11 months ago

So we make it that every person south of our border that wants to come in and has a spare $100 can become a citizen? Is this the alternative that you want the country to take? Really?! YES! Lets double our current population with people from EVERY COUNTRY possible streaming in with no limit on how many per year come in. That will definitely help our unemployment rate and current debt problem. Please stop trying to figure out a solution for this problem, like its a 2nd grade math equation, it's not going to be an easy fix and its not going to be fixed in a way that you bleeding heart liberals think is "right". Sorry to burst your bubble!

jhawkinsf 3 years, 11 months ago

A third option, one that we've not really tried yet, it to enforce current immigration laws.
Any thoughts about that?

jhawkinsf 3 years, 11 months ago

A good start. Obama's administration is indeed doing a better job than his predecessors. However, as your links clearly point out, they are primarily focused on criminal illegal immigrants, not all illegal immigrants. There is no mention as to the numbers coming into our country, are they equal to or greater than the number deported?
A major problem I have with government not enforcing the law is that it sends a bad signal, that it is O.K. to ignore some laws but not others. We're then left to guess which. If we don't like our immigration laws, if we want to increase immigration, or decrease it, that's fine with me. But the principle that laws should be obeyed is something I believe in. And I believe there should be consequences for those who disobey the law.

denak 3 years, 11 months ago

Alabama 2011: state and local police to ask about the immigration status of people they stop Nazi Germany 1935: Nuremberg Laws deny Jews many basic civil rights Nazi Germany 1936: Germany restricts freedom of movement

Alabama 2011: It requires public schools to determine the citizenship status of students. Nazi Germany 1938: Reich Ministry of Education expels all Jewish children from public schools. Nazi Germany 1937: The Mayor of Berlin orders public schools not to admit Jewish children until further notice.

What is the old saying about history repeating itself????

Alabama 2011: it a crime to knowingly rent housing to an illegal immigrant Nazi Germany 1939: Jews evicted from their homes without reason and notice Nazi Germany: Jewish Ghettos come in existence.

Alabama 2011: it requires immigrants to carry documentation showing their legal status Nazi Germany 1938: Special identity cards issued to Jews, Jews forced to add the names Sarah or Israel to their own Nazi Germany 1942: Jews, over the age of 6, made to wear yellow stars for easy recognition.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 11 months ago

By definition, the illegal aliens here have broken at least one law when they crossed the border illegally or came here legally and violated the terms of their stay. The Jews in Nazi Germany were German citizens, having broken no laws. The problem we're facing is with law enforcement. Laws have been broken and for a variety of reasons, law enforcement is not working. So some people are trying to find other means to deal with this problem. Clearly, many have problems of their own with the proposals like the one in Alabama. Perhaps it would be more helpful if instead of saying what's wrong with those ideas, give alternate solutions, ones that everyone can agree with.

denak 3 years, 11 months ago

By definition, illegal aliens have only broken one law....a misdemeanor. That's it.

The Nazi's put in place well over time 400+ laws that progressively and systematically stripped Jews of their humanity. It is a perfect example of how laws and society dehumanizes a group of individuals in order to victimize them. I suggest you look at some of those laws. There are some very close parallels to what happened in Nazi Germany with what is happening with the "illegal alien" rhetoric.

I do believe that we need to deal with the issue of illegal immigration but in a way that is humane and realistic. Targeting children is not the way to do it. Violating an individuals civil rights is not the way to do it. Deporting people who have been here since they were 2 is not the way to do it. Marginalizing individuals to the point where they can not get decent housing and decent schooling for their children does not help our society. Contrary to what you might think, it isn't going to force them to go back. There is NOTHING for them to go back to. What it is going to do if force them into ghettos or de facto covenants that segregate, which are illegal.

I don't pretend to have all the answers to this issue but if you think punitive legislation is going to solve the problem, it won't. However, you are more than welcome to post some of the alternative solutions that you think we all will agree on.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 11 months ago

I find it interesting that you say you don't have all the answers because you have not even tried. You've said there are problems with the punitive measures outlined. Fine. But if your solution is just to find fault with others, then no solution will come. I assume you're against racial profiling, against building a big wall, against mass deportation, against, against against. Against the federal government doing it's job, against the states doing it, against communities enacting punitive legislation. What are you in favor of doing? Maybe a one time amnesty, one that would make everyone already here a citizen but not those who come later. Whoops, we already did that. Tolerate the 12 million already here, which will encourage 12 million more?
At the very least, please tell me which laws they can break and which ones they must follow. Then tell me which laws I may break and which ones I must follow.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 11 months ago

Well, that just about solves the problem completely. Thank you for your input.

mloburgio 3 years, 11 months ago

It's worked out great in georgia for farmers. Georgia farmers accuse immigration law of worker shortage

Georgia Immigration law behind farmers’ woes-- According to a former president of Georgia Fruit and vegetable Growers Association, Bill Brim, a part of his harvest was lost as nearly 70 of his Hispanic laborers did not come back to work this year.

Hence, in such a scenario, Brim, owner of a farm in Tifton, says he is compelled to reduce his production. Brim is not alone. Jason Berry, another farm manager at Georgia, says that out of the total 120 farm workers, around 40 failed to join his farm this year. http://www.canadaupdates.com/content/georgia-farmers-accuse-immigration-law-worker-shortage-16496.html

gudpoynt 3 years, 11 months ago

That's 110 jobs for US Citizens right there!

Tougher immigration laws are good for the US economy, not because they create jobs, but rather because they eliminate non-US workers.

And everybody knows that employed US citizens are just plain better for the world than employed Mexican's who lack immigration paperwork... right?

gudpoynt 3 years, 11 months ago

wow. I was just pretending to be an (_*_).

You're the real thing!

KRussell 3 years, 11 months ago

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bolshavik_vw 3 years, 11 months ago

This law is stupid, And of course Kobach(Mr Nazi) does not realize that all of us were Immigrants to this country at one time. And we all became citizans through our Ancestors. This is not a new problem. So get real and realize that there are many reasons that people come here, although the way this country is going down the tubes, I have to wonder why they would want to come here. I do know that Americans won't take any job, and the people who do come here are taking those jobs, well that is why you gripe. You say they are taking all of the jobs, well they are taking the ones that you are acting too good to take for yourself. I work hard and am not afraid to take any job. To me any money is better than no money. And until you people stop with all of the gripe, this what will be happining. So I suggest to you, roll up your sleeves and go to work.

xfitter 3 years, 11 months ago

All playing the racist card, in an argument such as this, makes that person look very ignorant to any legitimate facts being presented. Time to tear that card up, has nothing to do with race and everything to do with enforcing laws. If you think otherwise you are blinded by the material at hand. Yes everyone was an immigrant at some point blah blah blah, guess what the country started to fill up FAST, so laws were put into place dictating how many people could come in and be granted citizenship. OH, BUT THAT'S NOT FAIR..... how so? Its not fair to have different policies towards people entering the country than we had 100 years ago? We have limited resources and limited space, plus right now a limited economy. We are on the brink of losing a lot of things we have taken for granted for a long time, and could lose a lot more than that if we continually let our borders be flooded by illegal immigrants. Doesn't matter if they're Mexican, Canadian, European, or African.

Katara 3 years, 11 months ago

Race is an issue or we wouldn't have commercials such as the one below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb-zZM...

You don't see discussion about Eastern Europeans, Russians, Chinese or Canadians.

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