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Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback to attend Texas prayer rally ‘on behalf of our troubled nation’

June 6, 2011, 1:47 p.m. Updated June 6, 2011, 7:42 p.m.

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— Gov. Sam Brownback plans to attend a daylong Christian rally of prayer and fasting in Houston that organizers say is aimed at helping the country during its “historic crisis.”

Brownback accepted an invitation to the Aug. 6 event at Reliant Stadium from Texas Gov. Rick Perry, according to Brownback’s spokeswoman Sherriene Jones-Sontag. Both Perry and Brownback are Republicans.

Jones-Sontag said Brownback will pay his own expenses.

Perry, who has reportedly been considering a presidential run, said on the event’s website, “Right now, America is in crisis: we have been besieged by financial debt, terrorism, and a multitude of natural disasters. As a nation, we must come together and call upon Jesus to guide us through unprecedented struggles, and thank Him for the blessings of freedom we so richly enjoy.”

The organizer of the event, which is called The Response, is the American Family Association. On its website, the AFA states its mission “is to inform, equip, and activate individuals to strengthen the moral foundations of American culture, and give aid to the church here and abroad in its task of fulfilling the Great Commission.”

The event website described the United States as in a “historic crisis” and “has not honored God.” The event is free and open to the public but requires registration, which can be found at registration.afa.net. Fasting is recommended, but there will be some food vendors and water for sale.

In 2009, while serving in the U.S. Senate, Brownback was one of the speakers on a live video “PrayerCast” to oppose health care reform that was then being debated in Congress. That event was sponsored by the Family Research Council.

Perry’s invitation to governors across the country to attend the event raised concerns with the Interfaith Alliance, which describes itself as an organization that promotes policies that protect religion and democracy.

“Gov. Perry has every right to pray or fast in private or with others,” said Interfaith Alliance President Dr. C. Welton Gaddy. “However, when he uses his public office in any way to promote a sectarian event, he has crossed a line that the framers of our Constitution did not want crossed for the good of both religion and government,” he said.

Comments

50YearResident 4 years, 1 month ago

What ever happened to seperation of Church and State?

jhawkinsf 4 years, 1 month ago

Elected officials should be barred from attending religious rallies?

ivalueamerica 4 years, 1 month ago

your passive agressive answer is less than honest. I suspect you know full well that a political leader can do anything they want..ON THEIR OFF TIME. But if going as head of the state, then no, they can not. If going on my tax dollars, then no they can not. They are violating the Constitution of this country..or ..to use your own passive agressive style.

Is that not a document you care about?

jhawkinsf 4 years, 1 month ago

Honesty is what you want then, fine. There is a big difference between a separation of church and state and a hostility towards religion. I am not religious in the slightest, but I am also not hostile to religion. There is a clear pattern in this forum of hostility towards religion that goes unchecked. That is well within the first amendment rights of those who make those comments. But it also clearly shows the hypocrisy that is in those comments. Every executive makes trips just like this. The president (be it Obama or Bush or ...) combines work trips with fundraising. It happens all the time. Trips to Europe with the whole family and an entourage of how many? I have no trouble with those. Those executives need a life and they need to live their lives as they see fit. But go to a religious rally and suddenly it becomes improper. That's hypocrisy. If you registered a complaint for every political junket or any combined work/fundraiser that was done on behalf of whatever political party you tend to favor, then you would spend your entire life at your laptop writing posts as above.

jhawkinsf 4 years, 1 month ago

As I said, I'm not religious in the least. I tend to think that religion is just a pile of superstition. That said, I respect the rights of others to practice their religion. I am neither pro religion nor am I hostile towards religion. And that is the way the Constitution is, neither supportive of nor hostile to religion.
People have the right to be hostile towards religion. But they are wrong when they assert that it's the Constitution that justifies their hostility. That was what the original poster asserted.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 1 month ago

Oh, come on. There is no one more intolerant than the religious right, and the whole point of "prayer rallies" such as this is political, with the sole intent being to ram their fact-free, faith-based agenda down our throats.

jhawkinsf 4 years ago

Oh my, I'm going to agree with you. There is no more intolerant group than the hard core right. Coming in a close second is the hard core left.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years ago

"Coming in a close second is the hard core left."

Can you be more specific?

jhawkinsf 4 years ago

There are so many, it's hard to be specific. But let me give a couple of examples. There is one person who posts here frequently. You'll recognize the description. The person constantly complains how the rich are broke, so the poor must pay. but who are these "rich". Depending how you define it, it could be anywhere from tens of thousands into the millions of people. With that large a group, there must be a wide variety of opinions on just about every topic. Wealthy who inherited huge sums and individuals who made their money by earning it. People on the far left as well as people on the far right. Pro-choice and pro-life. Democrats and Republicans. But this one poster lumps them all together and not in some neutral way, but in a very malevolent manner. They are "all" in it for themselves all the time. Their goal in life is to steal from the poor simply to enrich themselves.
It's those types of over generalizations that are common here. It would seem that the vast majority of pregnant 16 year olds must have been impregnated by their violent fathers. The Koch brothers must be epitome of evil, having never once done any good deed.
The hostility towards Christianity is palpable. As I've said many times, I'm not religious in the slightest, but to read the hostility towards people of faith is distasteful.
These are things that just jump into my mind. I'm sure there are many others. If you have specific questions, please feel free to ask.

ivalueamerica 4 years, 1 month ago

what a load of crock.

I am Christian. I do NOT want my government involved in it in any way shape or form. I do NOT want my tax dollars spent on it in any way shape or form. It makes no difference if the Governor were going to a Christian Prayer rally, a Wiccan nature dance, a Jewish event or an Athiest convection. It is a religious expression and government has no business in it. If you want to twist that as somehow being anti religious, you are just warped.

jhawkinsf 4 years ago

According to the article, Brownback is paying his own way, so your tax dollars are not involved. You complained earlier that if he's going as the head of state, it's improper. If he's paying his own way, logically he's either not going as the Governor or it's impossible for him to do anything at any time since he's always the governor.

justajoe 4 years ago

You nailed it. I'm as liberal and skeptical as they come, but the hypocrisy of the self-annointed, enlightened elite who attempt to elevate themselves by mocking those who happen to believe is as irritating as it is obvious.

Stuart Evans 4 years ago

hostility towards religion is often something as simple as me saying "i'm an atheist". That's when the nuts stand up and begin to feel oppressed. Also, questioning the ridiculous nature of religion is not hostility. Killing 3000 people with airplanes is. But I sense what you mean about hostility towards religion, really just means negative discussion which is primarily directed at christians.

woodscolt 4 years ago

This is a religious event sponsored by a wacko governor for other wacko governors and you want to try to pull it of as Slimeback just out to dinner on his personal time. Laughing so hard it hurts. But hey, thanks for making me laugh about slimeback.(and you)

TopJayhawk 4 years ago

I don't think he should go either. Stay here and do your job. This is of course just grandstanding.

I have nothing against prayer, and believe in it's power. But he can do that here, privately, and quietly.

Mike1949 4 years ago

I don't know about religious rallies, but this smells of religion in government, his religion that is known to attack human rights. To bad he doesn't realize that the far right has caused much of the problems in the country. Well, that is harsh, lets just say they have made things worse and the US is dying because of their plan to destroy America as we know it. They are against Freedom, and that is a sin right there!

pace 4 years ago

Brownback should be recalled.

sourpuss 4 years ago

You can't pray your way out of debt. If that worked, no one would have credit card payments. Try raising taxes!

Linda Endicott 4 years, 1 month ago

Maybe he should keep fasting when he returns...like fasting for as long as poor people often have to fast...perhaps he should cut himself down to one meal a day, or perhaps one meal every two days... And if you don't think there are families out there right now who are so poor that this is what they have to do all the time, you're wrong...I lived through that kind of life when I was a child here in KS, and that was years ago...it's probably even worse for some people now... He does not have a bit of compassion for the poor in this state... Maybe he should pray diligently that he get a clue...

Fred Whitehead Jr. 4 years, 1 month ago

Why isn't her staying here in Kansas where the problems we elected him to fix continue to get worse?. Who is paying for this trip? Who elected this joke for a governer??

jayhawk513 4 years ago

I understand he is elected to help Kansas and to serve the citizens, but in the end he is a human just like the rest of us. I don't understand how people can expect him to work 24/7. We all deserve some personal time and if this is how he chooses to spend his, with his own money, I am not seeing the problem here.

And apparently a large number of citizens elected him as governor, that's who. Be proactive if you have a problem.

bd 4 years, 1 month ago

Still a free country! Kinda!

Tea anyone!

William Weissbeck 4 years, 1 month ago

I won't question his religious sincerity, but exactly what is he praying for? Rain? Increased tax revenues? Deliverance from the anti-Christ? Too often, these guys sound too much like Old Testament prophets claiming the country's ills are caused by our collective turning away from god. What next? Shall we rebuild the Temple?

mloburgio 4 years, 1 month ago

The budget passed by House Republicans in April 2011 makes radical changes to Medicare. This analysis shows the immediate and long-term impacts of these changes in the 2nd Congressional District in Kansas, which is represented by Rep. Lynn Jenkins. The Republican proposal would have adverse impacts on seniors and disabled individuals in the district who are currently enrolled in Medicare. It would: • Increase prescription drug costs for 9,300 Medicare beneficiaries in the district who enter the Part D donut hole, forcing them to pay an extra $92 million for drugs over the next decade. • Eliminate new preventive care benefits for 111,000 Medicare beneficiaries in the district. The Republican proposal would have even greater impacts on individuals in the district age 54 and younger who are not currently enrolled in Medicare. It would: • Deny 530,000 individuals age 54 and younger in the district access to Medicare’s guaranteed benefits. • Increase the out-of-pocket costs of health coverage by over $6,000 per year in 2022 and by almost $12,000 per year in 2032 for the 108,000 individuals in the district who are between the ages of 44 and 54. • Require the 108,000 individuals in the district between the ages of 44 and 54 to save an additional $25.2 billion for their retirement – an average of $182,000 to $287,000 per individual – to pay for the increased cost of health coverage over their lifetimes. Younger residents of the district will have to save even higher amounts to cover their additional medical costs. • Raise the Medicare eligibility age by at least one year to age 66 or more for 58,000 individuals in the district who are age 44 to 49 and by two years to age 67 for 420,000 individuals in the district who are age 43 or younger. http://docs.house.gov/energycommerce/medicare_2011/KS2.Jenkins.pdf

Chimi_McSchweezy 4 years ago

A lot of people down here simply call Perry Governor Good Hair.

William Weissbeck 4 years, 1 month ago

Then again, I hope Rick Perry runs for president in '12 and is elected. Like going to Vegas, let's go all in and see how this god thing turns out. But like Goldman Sachs, I think I'll be secretly taking the opposite side of that bet.

KEITHMILES05 4 years, 1 month ago

Ever since the beginning of this country of USA people have been saying the ends time were near and we are a "trouble nation." Whatever floats their boat, I guess. Perhaps they should make some state proclamation every day should be a day of praying. Novel idea, huh?

kthxbi 4 years, 1 month ago

Rick Perry said,"There is hope for America, and we will find it on our knees." Hahahahahaha. That could play sooo many ways!

Steve Jacob 4 years, 1 month ago

"Well. I used to stand for something, Now I'm on my hands an knees" Nine Inch Nails Capital G. Wow does his Year Zero CD become more and more true.

tolawdjk 4 years, 1 month ago

Strangely, it was also the last time we know someone was in the White House on their knees as well.

May His Bountiful Noodly Apendage touch you.

Ramen

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 1 month ago

Will they be praying to all the multitude of Jesi? I mean, there's Screaming Lead Guitar Jesus, the Great White Buffalo Jesus, the Blond Surfer Dude Jesus. The list goes on. The world is in such dire straits, they need to pray to all of them.

riverdrifter 4 years, 1 month ago

"There is hope for America, and we will find it on our knees."

Mabe these smokers can find it between their knees instead.

Ralph Reed 4 years, 1 month ago

From Right Wing Watch. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/american-family-association

The AFA used to call themselves the Foundation for Decency. They're based out of Tupelo, Miss. A couple of things from that page. "# Two of the main duties that AFA assigns to itself are "promoting the centrality of God in American life" and "promoting the Christian ethic of decency."

"Indecent" influences in American culture include: television, the separation of church and state, pornography, "the homosexual agenda," premarital sex, legal abortion, the National Endowment for the Arts, gambling, unfiltered internet access in libraries, and the removal of school-sponsored religious worship from public schools."

It shouldn't surprise any of us that Brownback accepted their invitation, given that he wants to establish a theocracy in Kansas following his model. (Wonder if we'll all have to wear his version of the Mao Suit?)

Brownstripe moments:


ivalueamerica said at 1407: "I suspect you know full well that a political leader can do anything they want..on their off time. But if going as head of the state, then no, they can not. If going on my tax dollars, then no they can not."


If Kansas if paying for the trip, then he can find money to fund education and the arts. Otherwise he goes on his own nickle or pays the State back out of his next paycheck.


The SPLC has labeled the AFA a hate group based on actions such as the following: "Bryan Fischer, the director of issue analysis for government and public policy at the American Family Association (AFA), has expanded his astounding bigotry to include not just Muslims and LGBT people, but Native Americans as well."

This came from the SPLC Hatewatch on 9 Feb 2011 (http://tinyurl.com/3v3tyml)


Why would Brownback support such an organization?

verity 4 years, 1 month ago

Interesting.

"'Indecent' influences in American culture include: . . . the National Endowment for the Arts . . ."

That explains a lot.

Keep him busy praying I say. At least that isn't harming anyone. If God really does exist, perhaps he will . . . oh, well, that's too much to hope for.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 1 month ago

Brownback is looking for more special interest campaign money from right wing texans and associates.

This is using God as a front for corruption. Typical approach for neocon christian fundamentalist politicians. Yep they lie too!

beatrice 4 years, 1 month ago

On the bright side, by going to Texas, Brownback won't have to sacrifice a Kansas virgin.

Ya gotta love that he previously prayed against health care. I guess Jesus, being into that whole health and healing thing himself, decided not to pay attention to those prayers.

Happy kneeling!

verity 4 years ago

Maybe he couldn't fine one---a Kansas virgin that is.

I'm sorry, I apologize, I just couldn't resist.

Beth Bird 4 years, 1 month ago

Who is paying for his trip? It had better come out of his own personal funds!

Ray March 4 years, 1 month ago

Wow! He attended a "prayercast" held by a group that calls themselves the "FAMILY Research Council" to plea to God that "Families" not receive access to health care.

I wonder what they will pray for this time? Maybe they will get with the "CHILD Research Center" to pray that "Children" don't get access to a good education.

OH WAIT! He's already accomplished that in cutting education funding to Kansas kids.

Maybe he will get together with the "Puppy Research Council" to figure out a way to eliminate puppies! :)

gudpoynt 4 years, 1 month ago

Wouldn't it be ironic if, in the middle of praying to God for an answer to the world's problems, God actually answers with a massive earthquake that gobbles up Reliant stadium?

naturalist 4 years, 1 month ago

I just hope we taxpayers aren't paying for this optional, random trip.

beatrice 4 years, 1 month ago

Yes, I'm sure conservatives would embrace a politician flying to Mecca to pray.

oldvet 4 years, 1 month ago

Why's that... is obama leaving soon?

beatrice 4 years ago

Why would a Christian travel to Mecca for prayer?

oldvet 4 years ago

So he could bow before the Islamic leaders and apologize for leading such a bad, wicked country... it worked once for him...

Stuart Evans 4 years ago

wish wish hope hope! If there ever were a time that I wished for a skygod, it would be to exact this type of action.

Richard Payton 4 years, 1 month ago

Sam Brownback sent out a flyer asking if I thought Governors should pray which I replied "yes". What I didn't know that his plans included flying to Texas to pray. Does this trip use the State of Kansas taxpayer's money or will he be flying in a private jet?

gudpoynt 4 years, 1 month ago

Hey, take it easy. Evangelical leaders realize that it takes a substantial amount of capital to appease the Lord.

Changing God's mind about the human race doesn't just require prayer, it requires prayer in significant numbers gathered in Reliant stadium on a single day.

I wonder if they're getting the standard "Saving All of Humanity" discount for renting out the stadium.

Jan Rolls 4 years, 1 month ago

Any doubt now that sam thinks he is elmer gantry?

gudpoynt 4 years, 1 month ago

somehow, i don't think that one is on his reading list.

question4u 4 years, 1 month ago

TEHRAN — Gov. Morteza Tamaddon plans to attend an Aug. 6 "day of fasting and prayer on behalf of our troubled nation."

The event is being held in Masshad. Tammadon was invited by Khorasan Gov. Mahmoud Salahi, a fellow Conservative who has reportedly been thinking about running for president.

Salahi has invited all the nation's governors to the prayer rally which is being funded by the Iranian Family Association. On its website, the IFA says its missions "is to inform, equip, and activate individuals to strengthen the moral foundations of Iranian culture, and give aid to the mosque here and abroad in its task of fulfilling the Great Commission."

Anisa hashemi, a spokeswoman for Tamaddon, said Salahi was a friend of Tamaddon's. She gave no other reason for the Kansas governor going to the rally.

So far, Tamaddon is the only governor who has accepted the invitation, according to report by The Tehran Morning News.

In 2009, while serving in the Iranian Senate, Tamaddon was one of the speakers on a live video “PrayerCast” to oppose health care reform that was being debated in Parliament. That event was sponsored by the Family Research Council.

BigAl 4 years, 1 month ago

I know you were being sarcastic but I would take Bill Clinton back in a heart beat. When he handed the reigns over to George W. Bush, we were a peaceful nation with a balanced budget. The stock market was in good shape and Americans were working. After he left office we went to hell in a handbasket. Two wars, stock market collapse, huge national debt and hated all over the world.

Give me Bill Clinton any day.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 1 month ago

i agree. I'll take flawed individuals who attempt to do some amount of good for the average person while working in their elected capacity. With folks like Brownback, we get a hypocrite faking piety while stabbing the working and middle class in the back, all in fealty to the Koch brothers, et al., and not to any kind of loving God, imagined or otherwise.

beatrice 4 years, 1 month ago

Don't forget Newt Gingrich, John McCain, Rudy Guiliani, Larry "Wide Stance" Craig, ...

Please don't pretend that people who are less than honorable family men only come from one political party. It is just silly.

somedude20 4 years, 1 month ago

As one of the people who pays this fool's salary, I say no, you cannot go. There is way too much work to be done for you to take more time off of work and give attention to something that odds are, is not even real. I should ask my boss to have some time off in Oct so I can wait for the Great Pumpkin in the pumpkin patch or maybe we can hold a prayer service for the Loch Ness Monster

gatekeeper 4 years, 1 month ago

Sam needs to remember what the New Testament says:

Matthew 6:5 - 6:7 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

verity 4 years, 1 month ago

Maybe we should buy Gov. Brownback a Bible. I think the Gideons would be glad to give him one.

Kirk Larson 4 years, 1 month ago

One of my favorite passages. Needs to be read more, I think.

M_12 4 years, 1 month ago

Isn't it obvious that Brownback is courting the VP bid on the Perry ticket?

Kirk Larson 4 years, 1 month ago

Saw a great poster once. Prayer: A way to do nothing and still feel like you're helping.

average 4 years, 1 month ago

But, sometimes doing nothing is a vast, vast improvement. Brownback can pray and fast away the rest of his term, in my humble opinion.

yourworstnightmare 4 years, 1 month ago

In other news, unicorns will spray faerie dust and magical farts on the country, so we are saved!

Glenn Reed 4 years, 1 month ago

A "prayercast" opposing health-care reform doesn't seem very christ-like. At least from my admittedly-limited understanding of the guy. I recall hearing about him doing such things as healing people. Making the blind see. Heck, even making the dead walk again! And not in the normal zombie-style walk-again type thing, either. I don't recall anything about costs for these services. Might say that's a hell of a health plan...

Jokes aside...

For the most part, when people do a prayer-related event, they do it because they hope it'll help someone. Asking your god to block health care reform doesn't seem to fall into that category. Even if you were opposed to the health-care plan in question, praying for a better health plan that would help more people would make far more sense.

The other thing that concerns me about this article is Brownback's apparent affiliation with the American Family Association. There's little difference between the WBC and the AFA, at least from my quick skim of their website . We shouldn't support a politician who is connected to a hate group. It doesn't matter if the hate group in question chooses to justify their position with religious belief.

Glenn Reed 4 years, 1 month ago

I s'pose I should clarify my position a tad bit. I really couldn't care less about the guy going to Texas to fast and pray. It won't help, but couldn't hurt. Well, it could, I guess. Going to Texas costs money. If it's his own money, then no harm.

I don't see why going to Texas to pray is any better than hanging out at home to pray. Might have something to do with Ley Lines...

beatrice 4 years, 1 month ago

God listens to your prayers much more closely when you make a big show of it.

Alceste 4 years, 1 month ago

I'm helping to pay for this guy to go hob nob in the name of Jesus? Where can I opt out?

Bob_Keeshan 4 years, 1 month ago

Gotta love Il Marrone's partisans coming around to spout off about religious freedom and patriotism and all that.

They, and Il Marrone, also want you to be afeared of our Muslim President. They also want you to know that it is only the "liberals" who are paranoid.

Oh, and the President is a dirty, dirty Muslim and that has nothing to do with Il Marrone's religious freedom.

Corey Williams 4 years, 1 month ago

matthew 25:35-40 "For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

What would jesus have you do?

Alceste 4 years ago

Jesus would have proclaimed that Political power comes from the barrel of a gun.....

Jan Rolls 4 years ago

Gong to texas to see his nut case buddy perry who wants to secede from the US . Maybe he's looking for tips on how to continue to be an idiot.

Phone_Man 4 years ago

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Barry Watts 4 years ago

"separation of church and state" Show me this in the U.S. Constitution.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 4 years ago

Show me where in the Constitution that every billy bob and sally sue who think that they are going to arm themselves against the "guvmnt taking our guns" constitute a "wel- regulated militia"

Cait McKnelly 4 years ago

Along with Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and GI Joe!

beatrice 4 years ago

Imagine how freaked out you would get if someone said Obama was their "hero." You should never worship our politicians. You can admire someone, but when you make them your idolized hero, you put yourself in a position of refuse to see their faults.

Spending the people's money (even if others end up footing the bill, time is money) to go to another state to pray to a sky god should not be high on a tea partier's list of things to admire, in my opinion.

Cait McKnelly 4 years ago

These sorts of things have been going on quietly for quite some time. (C Street Gang anyone?) Now, they are so emboldened as to bring them out publicly. Perhaps the ACLU will take notice.

verity 4 years ago

Cait, I believe the ACLU has to be requested to get involved in something---they can't just decide to get involved.

However, I may be wrong and I'm sure someone will tell me if I am.

cowboy 4 years ago

Two of the main duties that AFA assigns to itself are "promoting the centrality of God in American life" and "promoting the Christian ethic of decency." "Indecent" influences in American culture include: television, the separation of church and state, pornography, "the homosexual agenda," premarital sex, legal abortion, the National Endowment for the Arts, gambling, unfiltered internet access in libraries, and the removal of school-sponsored religious worship from public schools. For over twenty years, one of AFA's primary activities has been the organization of boycotts against sponsors of TV shows with "anti-Christian" messages and ideas. A few of the hundreds of boycott targets on AFA's list have included "Saturday Night Live," "Roseanne," "Nightline," "NYPD Blue," "Ellen," and "Desperate Housewives." "The church and this nation cry out for a revival of masculine Christianity, which is to say that we church leaders need to stop being such, for lack of a better word, sissies when it comes to social and political issues. We need to spend as much time confronting perpetrators as we do comforting victims. We need to do less fretting, and more fighting for righteousness. For every motherly, feminine ministry of the church such as a Crisis Pregnancy Center or ex-gay support group, we need a battle-hardened, take-it-to-the-enemy masculine ministry like Operation Rescue (questions of civil disobedience aside). For every God-hating radical in government, academia and media we need a bold, no-nonsense, truth-telling Christian counterpart: trained, equipped and endorsed by the local church."— Scott Lively, author of The Pink Swastika and former Director of AFA California (source)

"Under homosexual activists' political agenda, our children would face a future in which traditional marriage and families have been legally devalued, while state government— despite the severe threat it poses to personal and public health— not only legally endorses but uses our tax dollars to subsidize deadly homosexual behavior."— Gary Glenn, Director of AFA Michigan (Press Release, February 17, 2001)

Brown Hack , you can just join a Phelps demonstration and save us all the airfare to Texas you right wing bigot crusader.

Erin Graham 4 years ago

YESSSS let's censor the internet!! Information should be banned!

Let's further spread the intolerant ideals of those that have bastardized Christianity. Better yet, let's make these ideals into laws... I have a lot more to say about this.. but not the time at the moment. Thank you for posting what you did. This group.. really gives Christians around the world a bad rep.

((Before I get trolled for part of what I said... personal disclaimer: I'm a Christian... minus the whole hate thing. To clarify what I mean by "bastardized Christianity"- PEOPLE have created hate, intolerance, and the snooty 'holier than thou' bit. Not God. Not Christ. Not God through Christ. Groups like this thrive on focusing on such negative messages and mask it by hiding behind the Bible.))

Erin Graham 4 years ago

**And.. not every Christian is like that. Not even the majority, I'm sure... but enough that have a loud enough voice to make the rest receive such stereotypes, globally.

Erin Graham 4 years ago

Cowboy!!! Thank you for your last sentence- I was just about to post THIS:

A rally where people " [describe] the United States as in a “historic crisis” and “has not honored God.”" ... and they think that everything everybody else that doesn't follow their specific beliefs to a T is damned, and as a result our nation is damned...... and we all need to be like them "or else".. and they're a little nutty about it all...

Sound familiar?? (Hint: look to a lovely bunch of residents of that town to the east about 20 miles...)

Kookamooka 4 years ago

Screw the State then run away and pray. Sounds like a bad strategy for governance.

Erin Graham 4 years ago

Unfort. that's what the gross majority of people in this state voted for.... and I'm sure a large chunk see no problem with this what-so-ever.

tjayhawk 4 years ago

Governor Brownback is a Christian. Why should so many people be upset with him for following after his convictions. I am proud of him for actively participating in an event that he feels strongly about.

Since when is standing for "decency" a bad thing.

Erin Graham 4 years ago

So, by 'decency', you mean hate.. bigotry... and boycotting Roseanne?

kthxbi 4 years ago

Pandering is a bad thing. That's all this is. If Brownback was a true christian he wouldn't be working so hard to strip social services from the most vulnerable in our society.

beatrice 4 years ago

Following his beliefs is one thing, governing on those beliefs is another. Surely you must recognize that not everyone in the state shares his religious beliefs. This is what people have a problem with. His sense of decency, which includes limiting the rights of others and not treating all people the same, is far from what many consider decency. He should pray if he wishes, but going and making a show of it on a big stage in another state, is that really being decent? Seems in poor form to me.

Kontum1972 4 years ago

LoL...they are all so full of crap then when they get caught sending naked pics of themselves across the Net...

both parties are a bunch of weasels with trouser - trout problems.....this is high school /college animal-house antics....they use God as their shield...oh i am sorry i let everyone down including my family. .....duh! what a joke!

BigAl 4 years ago

We have Brownback praying in Texas (a staged political religious right rally) and we have Kobach working in and for Arizona (and others).
Tell me again why we voted for them, and are paying them, to work for Kansas?

Could be that Brownie is using some of his personal farm subsidies to pay for the trip. Cut the arts but keep Brownback's farm subsidies. Sounds about right.

kernal 4 years ago

And to think we did away with outhouses. Jeesh! Try a bucket of hot water.

jackson8 4 years ago

Maybe I'm reading too much into this article. But doesn't it say, "...Brownback will pay his own expenses." Okay, so he's paying his way. Great. Maybe most of you didn't read the full article because it seems you all keep belly-aching like the State is paying for his trip. Also, August 6 appears to be on a Saturday. So he's going over a weekend and paying his own way...Alert the Press!!! How dare he!!!

BigAl 4 years ago

It definitely says he is paying his own way. As well he should. Right or wrong, my problem is that he is going to a religious right rally. It wouldn't surprise me to see him come back and push his religious far-right wing agenda even further.

M_12 4 years ago

Attending the event as Sam Brownback, private citizen, is well within his rights. Attending the event as Gov. Brownback is inappropriate. The people of Kansas have not asked him to attend this event on their behalf. (Although, I am sure they would if it came to a vote...)
And the clarification that he would pay his own way, was updated after the article was posted.

Scott Morgan 4 years ago

toe, me too, me too. I've never read so much nonsense drivel in my entire life than what I just scrolled though.

I will paraphrase........Brownback is hateful, should attend church on his time, not attend church while governor, uneducated, has no ethics, has too many ethics, has marching orders, is clueless, should not be allowed to practice his religion since it's Christianity, hope he is killed by a storm, he's a bigot, destroyer of Kansas, looking for right wing money??, Elmer Gantry,

I think Gov. Brownback would be OK to attend if he either flies standby or drives to Texas in a '94 Dodge Caravan with good tires, but the A/C needs work.

BigAl 4 years ago

wissmo, call it drivel if you choose. That is your right. I never once called Brownback hateful. I never said he should go on his own time. I never called him a bigot. etc.....

I am saying he is a far-right wing religious nut. I think he will be and has been harmful for Kansas. He is a hypocrit in blasting the stimulus programs while accepting personal farm subsidies on the backs of Kansas taxpayers. As a voter, a veteran and an American, it is my right to say so.

Again, it isn't all nonsense and drivel.

kernal 4 years ago

"Doing beats praying every time". That pretty much says it all.

Brownlack needs to hire a new public relations person if he's going to keep up this malarkey. I am not impressed.

BigAl 4 years ago

I hope people like wissmo here will check this out. I just did. Snopes pretty well confirms that these AFA folks are nothing short of an anti-gay, hate filled organization.
How can anyone defend this organization? Way to go Brownie.

Scott Morgan 4 years ago

One thing, Brownback is Catholic not Fundamentalist Christian. Big difference.

BTW, did anybody note Sam donated part of his unused campaign money seeding the private arts commission?

The sky is not falling in Kansas, I'm proud this state is taking on the incredible hard task of balancing the budget. I would love to see arts flourish in this state without having government involvement.

BigAl 4 years ago

I would agree with you wissmo if Brownback weren't so hypocritical in accepting the farm subsidies. Yes, I can't get past that.

I too would like to see the arts flourish without having government involvement. I would also like to see new roads built, new schools and even the National Guard without government involvement but I doubt that is coming anytime soon.

And yes, Brownback is Catholic. So why is he attending a religious-right, hate group sponsored, affair in Texas?

Scott Morgan 4 years ago

BigAl, Farm subsidies do bother me although back in the Soviet days our exports did bring in revenue in the forms of taxes paid in. Not sure what they do now.

Off track a bit.........

I would vote for a president who promises to take apart everything we do regarding spending. Then put a better system in. Not sure we can't do everything we've done in the past and still have a balanced budget.

I'm watching half billion buck tankers fly over daily for instance. Did we really need these, or was there a way to do it reasonably? With all the health care talk, couldn't we as a nation start up regional MD colleges essentially flooding the market? We as a nation used to do things like this. There are so so many good ideas on both sides of the isle, but it just seems we settle in and keep making the same mistakes.

Not sure why he's attending. In one way I do like Brownback, he does seem to have guts. Most certainly above board not hiding decisions.

deec 4 years ago

Because fundamentalist catholics have more in common with protestant zealots and muslim extremists than they do with Jesus. I should know; I was married to one. They all hunger for power, control, and forcing everyone else to live by their narrow definition of morality. If violence is needed to maintain morality, so be it. They view themselves as god's soldiers working to restore the holy rule of the earth.

verity 4 years ago

"Brownback is Catholic not Fundamentalist Christian. Big difference."

Not necessarily. "Fundamentalist Christian" is not a particular organized group but a set of beliefs which vary from person to person or group to group.

It appears that Mr. Brownback holds to many of the extreme beliefs of Fundamentalism.

MattyPro12 4 years ago

Perry is right, we should come together as a nation that day and pray for a solution to our problems.

A solution like a massive sinkhole engulfing Reliant Stadium or the roof colapsing. Something like that would be a good start at solving the problems of this nation.

Joe Hyde 4 years ago

Here w've got a group of pious governors wanting to spend an entire day off duty, locked in prayer while listening to one anothers stomachs growl. And the business of praying keeps them from visiting with one another to verbally exchange helpful ideas. Doesn't this pretty much cancel any real benefit of them praying together in one place?

Why don't these governors make their group praying and fasting be a private affair conducted by teleconference call? The technology exists. Anybody sneaks a few bites of steak off camera, their chef won't tell.

jayhawklawrence 4 years ago

I don't think criticizing a man for his faith is taking the high road.

People are making a lot of assumptions about the man's faith and it's effect on his politics.

If you don't like the man's political decisions or opinions that is a different matter, but in politics these days, character assasination is part of the game.

I just don't think this will lead to better policies which we are in dire need of for this country to get back to a competitive position in the global economy.

I think a better strategy to deal with Brownback is to force him to explain his policies and to expect accountibility and transparency. If he is moving all control to the governor's office then he is going to have to assume all the risk and be ready to answer for the results.

BigAl 4 years ago

You make an excellent point jayhawklawrence. I also think Brownback should be questioned why he is going out of his way to affiliate himself with an obvious hate group like this AFA outfit.

Like you say, criticizing a man for his faith is not taking the high road. But, the manner in which he is doing this and the people he is associating with is very much worth looking into.

verity 4 years ago

From the article posted above by Paul Getto (which, by the way, I posted and tried to get people to read before the election):

"When he ran for the House he was a Methodist. By the time he ran for the Senate he was an evangelical. Now he has become a Catholic. He was baptized not in a church but in a chapel tucked between lobbyists' offices on K Street that is run by Opus Dei, the secretive lay order founded by a Catholic priest who advocated "holy coercion" and considered Spanish dictator Francisco Franco an ideal of worldly power. . . ."

"On Sundays, Brownback rises at dawn so he can catch a Catholic Mass before meeting Mary and the kids at Topeka Bible Church . . . "

"'I have seen him weep,' growls Colson, anointing Brownback with his highest praise. Such are the new American crusaders: tear-streaked strong men huddling together to talk about their feelings before they march forth, their sentimental faith sharpened and their man-feelings hardened into 'natural law.' They are God's promise keepers, His defenders of marriage, His knights of the fetal citizen. They are the select few who embody the paradoxical love promised by Christ when he declares -- in Matthew 10:34 -- 'I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.'"

If you really want to know what is going on in Mr. Brownback's mind, you really should read this article.

Scott Morgan 4 years ago

Sorry, but the rest of the state is not up in arms over Brownback. In fact I hear all sorts of hints Wisconsin is upset with their governor. Not true. People read, people know we are in trouble in this nation.

Pragmatic people we Kansans are.

whats_going_on 4 years ago

Ironically enough, this country is troubled because of places like Texas and people like Bback

Scott Morgan 4 years ago

You do realize Texas is far ahead in recovery now. Texas also has enough clout they are starting to bring state legislation breaking down some of the goofy restrictive federal laws.

I hope, and can see Kansas doing this as well.

Richard Heckler 4 years ago

Texas Prayer Rally is nowhere close to god but quite close to big time special interest campaign dollars. He has not forgot the ways of the beltway = 6-8 hours a day seeking corrupt campaign money.

Richard Heckler 4 years ago

"Wonder if the 800,000 who didn't bother to vote have an opinion now?"

They can always participate in a recall effort.

verity 4 years ago

I didn't see your comment before I posted mine. You are completely correct.

Scott Morgan 4 years ago

and, nobody except the 10-20 percent of hard line leftests wish to do this. Unfortunately they are concentrated in Central Douglas County.

verity 4 years ago

Merrill, if you can find a way to make a recall in Kansas work, I'm in.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php...

"The number of valid signatures required for a recall election is 40 percent of the number of persons that voted in the last preceding election for the office of the incumbent sought to be recalled. The circulation has 90 days in which it can be circulated."

Forty percent of the voters in the last election in 90 days.

Then I'm sure the names would all have to be validated.

Further "In Kansas, the governor is responsible for appointing a successor to the recalled official. The appointed successor must be a member of the same political party as the officeholder recalled, and must be selected from a list submitted by a committee of the political party of the person recalled."

So either Brownback would be appointing his own successor or his Lt. Governor would become governor---not sure how that plays out. But we would't get a new election.

kugrad 4 years ago

I am offended by such a public display of religion by the Governor of our state. I don't mind if he wants to attend as a private citizen without making a big hoopla about it, but he isn't doing that. Despite supposedly paying his way (I'm sure taxpayers will be paying for security and so forth), he is appearing as the Governor of Kansas and as part of a long-term attempt to run for president.

Brownback said, " As a nation, we must come together and call upon Jesus to guide us through unprecedented struggles, and thank Him for the blessings of freedom we so richly enjoy.” This is totally inappropriate speech for a Governor. Our nation is not made up entirely of Christians. Why would I want to call on Jesus when I don't believe in God? Why does Jesus get thanks for the blessings, not blame for the supposed crisis? If another person whose employment was paid for by taxpayer dollars - a teacher for example - asked children to call on Jesus it would be accepted as inappropriate by all but the far right. It is wrong for the Governor to tell the citizens of Kansas who we need to thank. If Brownback was a member of any other religion, there would be an uproar. If he was an atheist and told us all to thank the Earth that created us, people would have strokes over it. If he was a Buddhist or Muslim or Taoist, can you imagine the uproar? I don't mind some references to God in public life, but this goes beyond that and on to a specific God and a specific set of Christian beliefs. It is wholly inappropriate.

Scott Morgan 4 years ago

and President Obama doesn't bring up religion?

Scott Morgan 4 years ago

You folks do realize Brownback ran on the exact platform he's accomplishing now. Fair and square election too. A national laughingstock would be of course groups from Lawrence trying a futile recall.

Good grief, for you folks who wish to move to another state, keep this up and someday the rest of the state may come in and move us. Chicago? Boston? Manhattan NY?

Kim Murphree 4 years ago

Brownback ran on creation of JOBS...ECONOMY...not social conservatism and Christian right social ideals....show me the money baby and I'll show you the lies.

Lacy Mohler 4 years ago

Wonder if the Westboro Baptist Church will also attend? Sounds right up their alley.

Kate Rogge 4 years ago

He's a C Street tool intent on making us a Christian theme park on his way to the White House.

Barry Watts 4 years ago

I have some bad news for the liberal bloggers... You live in the state of Kansas. We are a conservative state. Proud of it. We believe in the rights of individual states to make their own laws pertaining to their people. What the East coast and West coast wants, and thinks is intellectually superior, is not wanted here. We are proud of our conservative values. There maybe a few pockets of liberal radicals, especially here in Lawrence, but beyond that, the majority of Kansas want a more conservative state. Not to be rude, but if you don't like it (ie the "Kansas as bigoted as you think" bumper sticker owners), please move elsewhere. You have the right to your opinions and free speech, but you seem so miserable at the idea of living in this conservative state. We welcome you here, but maybe you would be happier elsewhere. Just a thought.

Kim Murphree 4 years ago

Hey pal...why don't YOU move? WE are not a conservative state..historically, the legislature has been made up of Democrats, very moderate Republicans, and a few extreme right Republicans...that only changed last year...and I am sure it will change again because alot of moderate Republicans are fed up with this group of yahoos and their friends. So, if we go back to the BEST times that Kansas has had...with MODERATION...then will you please move? After all, I've been here alot longer than you...my family and I, and we are PROUD of Kansas COMMON SENSE, not this radical social agenda and God-making going on at the state level.

gatekeeper 4 years ago

My parents were two of those KS conservatives. Neither of them will now vote republican. Both refused to vote for gov because they won't support a religious zealot. They're so frustrated now that they have no intent on voting again because they feel the zeaolts in this state have taken over and don't have conservative views, only crazy religious views they feel they need to push on everyone. My parents were very involved in church and very religious, but understand that religion and politics don't mix.

As my mom put it recently - the republican party of today makes the old republicans (Nixon, Eisenhower, etc....) look like liberals.

And KS was always known as a progressive state until now (well, lost that when the whole "we aren't teaching evolution" cr*p got started).

If the state stays on the path it's headed, I would love to move. I have to help care for my aging parents and can't just run off. I do have the right to voice my opinions about not liking the direction my govt is headed in and many in my family have served in the miltary to maintain that right. Those that act like we can't voice our opinions should move - to someplace like China where the govt does tell you what you can and can't say.

kugrad 4 years ago

Actually, Kansas has a long history as a populist meritocracy. Kansans do not have a long history of electing ultra-conservatives. We generally elect people based on their merits. Unfortunately, big money from out-of-state now influences our elections. Big money from Koch bros. front organizations also influence our elections. The result is that the trend to elect people on their merits was bucked this time around. Lawrence, Kansas was founded by abolitionists. Bgwmail, abolition and civil rights are liberal ideals. If the votes in Kansas were not gerrymandered and if it was one person one vote instead of county/precinct winner-takes-all, our state would not appear so conservative. Liberals settled Kansas and have just as much right to live here and seek change through the political process as anyone else. When a governor decides to only represent part of the electorate and go against the wishes of many others (or most Kansans in the case of the Arts Commission) we don't have to like it. Brownback ran on jobs, jobs, jobs. He promised at his inauguration to improve schools and produce jobs. He has done neither. Not only that, he has further cut our already battered schools and gone off on an extreme right Christianist agenda. Do you really think the Arts fiasco was about money? It wasn't.

Stuart Evans 4 years ago

Hey Sam, go home early, on behalf of me!

Kim Murphree 4 years ago

Here's what bothers me the most--using prayer to God to garner support for your political agenda. Using terms like "family" and "Christian" and "God" as if your political opinions are somehow appointed from the Divine Creator when the truth is exactly the opposite. If Jesus is the model let's take a look at what he did and said, right? He HEALED the people--ALL the people--and said for us to do the same---He said LOVE, actually CHARITY which presupposes SACRIFICE FOR OTHERS was the MOST IMPORTANT characteristic that his followers could have and act upon--he never offered conditions for anyone of these--never said only help the rich or only help those who you deem worthy--he said help ALL those who come into your path....Jesus said LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS....turn the other cheek.... So, tell me Mr. Brownback...in your prayers are you praying to keep Social Security so that the poor elderly can survive? Are you praying that we keep Medicare? Are you praying that health providers will lower their profits so that every person can benefit and be healed? Are you praying for single parents and hungry children? Are you praying for social programs that provide food and shelter for the poor and needy? I can cite hundreds of scriptures in the Christian Bible that say these are the foundations of what Jesus the Christ said....how is it that what you DO and what you PRAY for are so totally different? I have a suggestion for you and your prayerful wealthy friends---Work hard on how you are going to get that camel through the eye of the needle in the end because as much as you say His name, He will say He knew you not.

tomatogrower 4 years ago

People need to read history. The kings of the middle ages considered themselves divinely ordained. I think we are returning to those days.

Scott Morgan 4 years ago

What happened to the Democratic Party? Used to be the party of choice, the party of freedom. Protests for freedom, if it feels good do it.

Sam and the rest of us conservatives want government out of our lives. You are the reason so many people wake up/grow up and leave the party.

Re-read the posts on this thread. Wow you folks really want to tell the rest of us how to live. From where and what to eat, what to drive, where to live, to who should have religious freedom.

M_12 4 years ago

Please provide examples that prove Gov. Brownback wants government out of our lives... He may claim to want the government to stop paying for the things which impact our lives, but he in no way has moved to remove governmental influence in our lives. Republicans claim to be for "smaller government", but smaller government equals fewer politicians, and no politician will vote himself out of a job.

tomatogrower 4 years ago

Brownback is trying to control the reproductive lives of women. He created an agency to look into attracting business, instead of using the agencies that already exist for this purpose. He will have to expand the agency that inspects health clinics, since they have added extra requirements for abortion clinics. He has hired out of state people, probably paying them more, to come in and screw up our social services, just like they did in Florida. Where is the part about getting governments out of our lives? Maybe forcing religion into our lives, with all these "faith based initiatives". Do you think he would approve government funding if a Buddhist temple opened up a homeless shelter. Where do you think the money would go? Christian homeless shelter or Wiccan homeless shelter?

Scott Morgan 4 years ago

M-12 Geez pay attention, does government involved in art ring a bell.

M_12 4 years ago

As I said--that is an example of government not paying for things which impact our lives. If eliminating a few State Arts Councilmen is his idea of smaller government, there doesn't seem to be much of a measurable benefit. "Smaller Government by 0.00067%" Success!

Scott Morgan 4 years ago

M_12 if the current health care laws become reality, your entire, and I do mean entire history will be in the hands of a government clerk.

There is already talk about restricting health care for citizens who do not fit the governments idea of a healthy life.

Think about this for a second. Say you are 25 now, but in twenty years you wish to purchase a home, or buy insurance. A clerk brings out paperwork denying you this former right due to something you did, or how you ate.

Ladies, your entire reproduction health history could be public knowledge.

M_12 4 years ago

Step away from the Kool-aid dispenser... Everyone's medical records are in the "hands of clerks" now--except the "clerk" is a server and it has no "hands." You really think "government clerks" are going to care about what is in one of the millions of files that are "in their hands?" Do tell more of this "talk" about restricting health care--it sounds fascinatingly vague and unsubstantiated... The country seems to have no shortage of jobs for "clerks"--government clerks fondling medical records, bank clerks who, mysteriously, also get to fondle your medical records, and apparantly Kinko's clerks photocopying women's pap smear results by the thousands... I should have been a clerk--complete job security! (And file fondling is quite a perk)

woodscolt 4 years ago

slimeback is coming slimeback is coming slimeback is coming. Oh, he's already here. Scrooge is going to Texas to pray against the people.

jaywalker 4 years ago

Let me get this straight: a man is going to go pray for a day? So the left 'round these parts feel justified in releasing their own dogs of intolerance and cynicism?

Way to practice what you preach, folks.

pace 4 years ago

So you think all preachers are straight arrows and holy. Why don't you get off your sanctimonious rear and research AFA. That will protect christian values a lot more than swallowing any lie fed you.. Or do you think God whispers hate in everyone's ear?

tomatogrower 4 years ago

Well, I personally don't need a whole group to pray. But I'll be praying for Kansans to come to their senses, and vote out Brownback at the next election. I however will not make a profit from creating a rally for prayer. I will not profit from other people's prayers. I will not take anyone's hard earned money to pray for them. I certainly would never force anyone to pray with me, or assume that they pray to the same god or goddess that I do. I would like to see the profits earned from this rally, and even more importantly, what political palms will be greased.

pace 4 years ago

http://bit.ly/is7yb0 from secular news about hate groups AFA

"AFA’s Bryan Fischer “has blamed gays for the Holocaust, […] called on Muslims to convert to Christianity or face the wrath of U.S. military power” and asserted that church-state separation “came directly from the mind of Adolf Hitler.” AFA objected to a Hindu clergyman giving the opening prayer for the U.S. Senate, and several of its supporters tried to disrupt the ceremony. AFA has demanded that every member of Congress be sworn in on the Bible, thus specifically excluding secular Americans and people of other religions such as Hindus or Muslims. Most recently, AFA called for a boycott of Home Depot because the store supports “homosexual activism.” Brownback might as well as join the Westboro Baptist church.

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