Wichita — U.S. Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., on Thursday said he couldn’t support former Kansas Attorney General Steve Six’s nomination to the federal bench because of Six’s position on the new federal health care reform law and an abortion investigation.
“Based on the nominee’s own testimony and responses to questions, I found significant difficulty in recommending the nominee to this lifelong appointment to the appellate court position,” Roberts said in a statement to the Lawrence Journal-World.
While attorney general, Six, a Democrat, said after analyzing the health care reform bill signed into law by President Barack Obama that he could find no constitutional defect in it. Six declined to file a lawsuit challenging the law, a move that many said helped his Republican opponent Derek Schmidt, who won the election.
About Six’s opinion on the law, Roberts said, “While this view runs counter to the overwhelming belief of many Kansans, and the decisions by two federal judges, it points to a larger issue concerning the proper role of government in our lives.”
Roberts added, “And with all due respect, the average person can identify the constitutional defects of Obamacare.”
Roberts also said he was troubled by Six’s answers before the Senate Judiciary Committee about an investigation that had been started by former Attorney General Phill Kline, an anti-abortion advocate, into a Planned Parenthood clinic. Anti-abortion groups have opposed Six.
Roberts said Six evaded the case and left responsibility for it to a subordinate.
“As the Attorney General, the nominee was fully responsible for the decisions and actions under his leadership, but instead sought to distance himself,” Roberts said of Six. Six had testified that he handled the issue properly.
Six did not immediately respond to an email Thursday seeking comment.
Senators’ opposition
Earlier Thursday, the chairman Senate Judiciary Committee said he would not consider Obama’s nomination of Six to the federal appeals court because of opposition from Roberts and U.S. Sen. Jerry Moran, R-Kan.
The terse statement from Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy, of Vermont, came as the committee was set to vote on Six’s nomination to the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Roberts and Moran sent a letter Monday to Leahy asking that the judiciary committee not take up Six’s nomination. It gave no reason for their opposition.
“Whereas we have previously stated our opposition to this nomination, we are respectfully requesting that the Committee not process this nominee,” the Kansas senators wrote. “We appreciate and respect the committee process in vetting all federal court nominees. We regret that we cannot support Mr. Six.”
Documents obtained by The Associated Press show Roberts had initially indicated to the committee in the so-called blue slips that put it up for a hearing that he approved of Six’s nomination, while Moran initially reserved judgment until after the hearing. The nomination would never have gotten this far had they initially opposed it.
Leahy sent letters to both Roberts and Moran this month saying he was surprised to learn on the eve of the committee’s consideration of the nomination last month that the Kansas senators did not support the nomination. Leahy asked the home state senators how they would like the committee to now proceed on it.
He noted in his letters that it was his understanding both senators were consulted by the White House before Obama nominated Six, and the president believed he had selected a consensus nominee at the time he made the nomination.
“This type of reversal of position by a home state senator on a nomination has rarely occurred,” Leahy wrote Roberts. “As I have expressed to Sen. (Charles) Grassley, the Committee’s ranking member, in my view no new material information emerged during the course of our review of the nomination, his testimony at his confirmation hearing, or in his answers to multiple rounds of written follow up questions, and certainly none that was disqualifying.”
Leahy also noted in his letters to both Kansas senators that Six has received significant bipartisan support: 29 Republican and Democratic state attorneys general; Robert Stephan, the Republican attorney general of Kansas for 16 years; former Judge Deanell Reece Tacha, whose seat on the 10th Circuit Six was nominated to fill; and from current and former deans of the Kansas University School of Law.
Explanations requested
The opposition from the home state senators to Six’s nomination has also spawned several editorials in Kansas newspapers demanding Roberts and Moran give their reasons for opposing the nomination of the man credited with straightening out an office that was left in shambles after former Attorney General Phill Kline’s prosecution of abortion clinics led to an ethics investigation against Kline for alleged prosecutorial misconduct, and a sex scandal that drove former Attorney General Paul Morrison from office.
Moran did not respond to a request from the Journal-World to explain his position about Six’s nomination.
Roberts' statement
“While I may disagree with a judicial nominee’s qualifications, I have tried in my career to refrain from unnecessary commentary that may be hurtful to a citizen who is seeking to honorably serve our country. That said, I will honor requests about why I could not support Mr. Stephen Six for the appellate court given that his nomination now has been withdrawn.
“First, I felt it was important for the President’s nominee to have a hearing so that he could provide his views and additional information to senators on the Judiciary Committee.
“However, after reviewing his testimony and written responses to the committee’s questions, I found his answers very troubling. Notably, as Kansas Attorney General, he failed to see any Constitutional defects with the newly passed health care reform law. While this view runs counter to the overwhelming belief of many Kansans, and the decisions by two federal judges, it points to a larger issue concerning the proper role of government in our lives. And with all due respect, the average person can identify the constitutional defects of Obamacare.
“It also came to light that during a major drug bust investigation, as Attorney General, the nominee deferred the approval for a wiretap application to a subordinate instead of complying with current law requiring the principle prosecuting attorney to sign off. In this age of privacy concerns, deferral of authority is not only a mistake but also is a serious misjudgment with real consequences.
“During the more controversial questions of the hearing concerning the investigation of Planned Parenthood, the nominee evaded any role in ongoing cases and, in fact, deferred responsibility to a subordinate. As the Attorney General, the nominee was fully responsible for the decisions and actions under his leadership, but instead sought to distance himself. The nominee’s responses to Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) concerning that case deferred any responsibility or role. However, Sen. Grassley’s questioning of the nominee’s role in the ongoing legal actions pointed out his office’s efforts to quash a subpoena of records.
“I have a constitutional obligation to ensure that our federal courts are fully staffed by qualified judges. As a United States Senator, I take my constitutional responsibility seriously and base any judgment on the facts presented. Based on the nominee’s own testimony and responses to questions, I found significant difficulty in recommending the nominee to this lifelong appointment to the appellate court position”.
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bookemdano (anonymous) says…
Absolutely pathetic performance on the part of our senators. They should be ashamed, but I know they aren't.
Bob_Keeshan (anonymous) replies…
They aren't Senators from Kansas, they are Republican Senators.
And because of that, Kansas will now have 50% of its prior representation on its assigned federal court of appeals.
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llama726 (anonymous) replies…
Your insanity is entertaining. Do go on, please. As an aside - saying that a person is a "target to be vanquished" is generally a poor idea. In all seriousness: You sound pretty violent and delusional. Please go get some mental health help.
justme2 (anonymous) replies…
Hello Brownback.
WilburNether (anonymous) replies…
Nonsense. Six is a fool who has no business being appointed to anything.
beatnik (anonymous) says…
wow, talk about partisan politics. moran and roberts are of the same ilk as brownback, six is one of the most qualified and best judges we have ever had in this area and these 2 conservitive idiots work against the best interests of Kansans. shame on them
moonflower (anonymous) says…
Dude, that is just nasty, spiteful, and cheap.
BABBOY (anonymous) replies…
This is based on the assumption that moonflower is talking about beatnik and this post is in defense of beatnik and directed at moonflower on this assumption.
Moonflower, what the two CS senators did is nasty, spiteful and cheap. If you are saying that, then I am cool with you. But, if you are attacking beatnik for attacking these jerk senators and Brownback, then enjoy the following:
Beatnik is right on point. Brownback is self centered jerk that spends money hand over fist when it helps him but denies from the middle class so whack offs can thing he is cutting spending. But, Brownback funds a committee for art commission that he killed but funds with members who are his allies to earn a salary for doing nothing. He sets up advisory committee on every issue he can so can also pay them a state salary which goes basically unnoticed in the budget but still is total waste of state funds but again creates a reward to the minions that helped this dancing clown. I go could go on and on about his abuses from funding his own religious trips to get support from the religious right to hiring an outside law firm to fight abortion when the AG would do it for cheaper with more then needed zeal because AG is pro-life.
So, the only thing that is cheap is your ignorance ---- dude.
moonflower (anonymous) replies…
As you can see I understand how reply works, I can understand your confusion. For if I was a big enough moron to not understand how to make a post on a comment then I would be the perfect kind of moron to defend the two super morons we sent to DC to represent us in the senate.
scott3460 (anonymous) says…
Let's hope people let the good Senators know what they think of their cowardly actions.
Yeoman2 (anonymous) replies…
"good"?????? These two limbaughesque idiots are an embarrasment, a pair of no account low life jerks, pandering the the Republican Terrorist Party and the anti abortion freaks who cannot abide by the simple fact that abortion is legal in the United States These self -styled guardians of everyone's business feel that their religious fantisies are more important that qualified, competant and experienced medical care experts. A pox on both of their houses.
redmoonrising (anonymous) replies…
Unfortunately those "good" people who elected them will vote for them over and over, ad nauseum, and be proud of it. Sad state...Kansas. What next, secession? Oh, the possibilites for the pledge of allegiance or, for that matter, the republic's name.
TheSychophant (anonymous) says…
I will never vote for another Republican as long as I live.
kernal (anonymous) replies…
Welcome to the world of the Blue Dogs, Sychophant.
Maracas (anonymous) replies…
That'll show 'em.
caseygolf (anonymous) says…
Contact page for Pat Roberts...
http://www.roberts.senate.gov/public/...
Finnbar1 (anonymous) replies…
well I just sent my request to Senator Roberts. I suspect I will get a canned reply thanking me for my e-mail.
thebigspoon (anonymous) replies…
I, personally, in my own name, and with email, phone and address information included, have sent numerous emails to both of these buffoons. I received the standard "thank you for asking" and nothing else for all these weeks since the Brownbackistan cabal announced the Kochs'--I mean, their--intentions to not support Six's confirmation. There is no excuse for these puppets not to at least answer my, and everyone else's, request for reasons, other than that they are so enmeshed in Tea Party politics that they've lost their moral compasses. I am ashamed to be a Kansas right now, and each and every one os us in this state should be the same, regardless of our politics.
I am sick to my stomach that there is not a thing we can do as thinking Kansans to stop this steamroller until the next election. I implore all of you to think deeply and seriously as to your own political leanings or convictions, because I have no doubt that, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or whatever, you will all reach the same conclusion: this is partisan, this is wrong, and this is not what we want from our state representatives. We've already suffered the slings and arrows of the "evolution" debate, the senseless loss of help for so many of our needy, the reallocating of our tax dollars from working Kansans to out-of-state brownshirts, and so much more.
Kansas is better than this, and we had better wake up to smell the (Brown) roses before we lose it all. Jim Jones and Idi Amin would be so proud of our state's direction now. We have to stop the runaway train, and we have to do it now.
verity (anonymous) replies…
Amen, brother.
rockchalk1977 (anonymous) says…
A victory for the unborn.
TheSychophant (anonymous) replies…
Please identify them for me.
BABBOY (anonymous) replies…
Stupid post by rockchalk. You just made my list.
rockchalk1977 (anonymous) replies…
Grassley asked Six whether he believed the new Kansas statute further restricting abortions after the 21st week of pregnancy based on the disputed notion that fetuses can feel pain was consistent with a U.S. Supreme Court decision that said abortion restrictions cannot pose “an undue burden” on women. Six replied. “I simply haven’t studied it, senator.”
Wrong answer and his fate was sealed. I guess he could have said that's "above my pay grade" like Obama.
Agnostick (anonymous) replies…
So you have a problem with honesty? I can't say that I'm surprised.
livingstone (anonymous) replies…
rockchalk, a kind reminder to you that earth population has just reached 7 billions. If we're not going to kill the unborn, the born will kill each other. Just a matter of time....
DRsmith (anonymous) says…
LOL...I am sure they were counting on all the Lawrence votes to carry them next election.
rockchalk1977 (anonymous) replies…
Lawrence is an anomaly in Kansas politics. I just laugh at the vocal minority that comment here.
livingstone (anonymous) replies…
rockchalk, right... you can bash how the liberal states run into deep troubles... but but but you're typing on a platform created by liberals (welcome to the internet).
youngjayhawk (anonymous) says…
OMG, is there no end to the disgusting behavior of our state officials. Steve Six is one of the finest! How humiliating for our state; what must others in the nation think? So sad!
bradh (anonymous) replies…
You have got to be kidding. His claim to fame was he refused to uphold Kansas law. Not exactly a great recommendation for an AG or judge. All Six was is partisan. Funny that so many of you are up in arms about our Senators using the same methods as Six. His partisanship is ok, because it reflects your beliefs. Quite the double standard.
Jacks_Smirking_Revenge (anonymous) says…
Those Cuss-Cussed, Cussing Sons-a-Cussing Cussbags.
Too mad for rational thought at this time. To block without a reason is the most cowardly action taken by these senators. It truly amazes me the steps our representatives have taken. I am a registered Republican and I am mortified by their actions. (To be clear, I did not vote for Moran but I did vote for Roberts. I also voted for Six as AG.)
Steve Six is the *BEST* candidate for the job. He was the best candidate for the AG position too. This is party politics at it's worst. Time to start writing/calling our reps.
larrytowngirl (anonymous) replies…
My sentiments exactly.. @($&(^%__()()*@#&^&_)+_
Big5 (anonymous) says…
What a joke. The only judges we want are bible beating, anti-abortion nuts who want to save every baby while implicitly disposing of every social program recipient (especially in Lawrence), and executing every convicted murderer they can get their hands on. Unfortunately they can't hear our message because their ears are so far up the Kochs' a$$ there is no sound.
llama726 (anonymous) replies…
Republicans care about you... Until you're born.
kernal (anonymous) says…
The politics in this country get more ridiculous by the day. The only good thing I've seen so far this week is Arizona's Senator McCain's reference to the Tea Party Hobbits in response to Bachman's idiocy. It was snarkalicious!
larrytowngirl (anonymous) replies…
for real.. usually don't care for McCain.. but in this instance I gotta applaud him for telling his own party what idiots they are!! say it again john!
Gandalf (anonymous) replies…
I didn't see that! How dare he insult the Hobbits like that! Now if he had said tea party orcs, goblin or wargs, I might have voted for him
Made_in_China (Paul R. Getto) says…
Cowards, the both of them.
madameX (anonymous) says…
Apart from everything else, how is it even possible that the Senate Judiciary Committee gets a letter from two senators saying "Don't go through the nomination process with this person", cites no reasons at all why they shouldn't, and the response to said letter is "Okay, we won't." And no explanation of THAT either? HOW?
I mean, WTF? Do Moran and Roberts have pictures of the Annual Secret Senate Judiciary Committee Orgy that they threatened to send out via Twitter or something? Why does this committee care what Moran and Roberts even think? Especially when they won't say WHY they think what they think?
gudpoynt (anonymous) replies…
yeah, what's up with that?
verity (anonymous) replies…
One does have to wonder about that. Hardly a democratc procedure.
just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (anonymous) replies…
It's a Senate custom, and democracy has nothing to do with it.
verity (anonymous) replies…
Please, if you would, explain in what cases this custom works and how.
nickhawk (anonymous) replies…
It's called "senatorial courtesy," and has been practiced by both parties in power for a very long time. The senior senator from a state is asked if he or she supports the nomination of a federal judge who will be assigned to that state. Agree or disagree, it is nothing new.
bevy (anonymous) replies…
That was my first response - what the Hell? How can the two #*)&(*&@##s derail this nomination all on their own? What happened to the separation of powers? Not to mention, the cowards apparently said he was o.k. at the outset. Maybe they planned it that way, so they could get this cheap shot at the Obama administration. Cowards, liars and #)(*&@#(*&# jerks! They won't get my vote.
1983Hawk (anonymous) says…
What an abject disgrace. Blind partisan politics, and they don't even feel the need to articulate a trumped-up "reason" for their opposition. Can't wait till 2014 when we've got a shot to get rid of at least one of these pliant tools.
1983Hawk (anonymous) says…
Time for some old-school hardball politics. Obama should work with Senate on next budget bill to get this NBAF largesse relocated to another state.
gudpoynt (anonymous) says…
While I don't think that Republicans are sitting behind closed doors, twisting their mustache's and conspiring ways to sabotoge anything and everything that even hints of Democrats or liberalism, I do feel that there is a defacto undercurrent for their actions that seems determined to achieve total political party dominance.
Actions like this (from the article) are examples where that undercurrent is more visible.
Other examples include when Mitch McConnell openly declares that his number one goal as Senate minority leader is to make sure Obama was defeated in 2012. Or when GOP members of the House are are willing to consider causing a U.S. default if it means they don't "lose" to the Senate.
I yearn for a day when cooler heads will once again prevail.
verity (anonymous) replies…
"While I don't think that Republicans are sitting behind closed doors, twisting their mustache's and conspiring ways to sabotoge anything and everything that even hints of Democrats or liberalism, . . ."
They're not sitting behind closed doors, they're doing it right out in the open. And we are letting ourselves be shut out of the governing process.
verity (anonymous) says…
I sent this email to Roberts. I can't get through to Moran, but will keep trying.
Fill up their inboxes, folks. This is beyond despicable.
"I cannot even begin to express my absolute and extreme disgust over your and Moran's sabotaging of Stephen Six's appointment.
Stephen Six has proved himself to be fair and more than qualified and was supported by a number of Republicans, including his predecessor.
Because you both refuse to give a reason, I have to assume that it is partisan politics, pure and simple. Your refusal to give a reason also shows you to be a coward
Politicians like you who put party above country are what is dragging our country down. You used to have the reputation of being fair minded."
larrytowngirl (anonymous) replies…
can you please post e-mail address...
jnovinger (anonymous) replies…
I could be mistaken, but I don't believe Sen. Roberts allows you to email his office directly. You must use the contact form at:
http://roberts.senate.gov/public/inde...
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verity (anonymous) replies…
Thanks---that was the same problem I had.
Noweigh (anonymous) says…
Politics at its worst. And no reason given for the oppostion. Cowardly at best. So much for "transparency".
These "Senators" are another example why most think Kansas remains locked in the Stone Age.
verity (anonymous) replies…
We used to be rather progressive. We can be again.
sunflower-voter (anonymous) replies…
Hells bells, we used to be moderate. I'd settle for that again.
KansasConscience (anonymous) says…
Sent this to Roberts. Can't get through to Moran - his site is broken.
"Senator Roberts,
I just read how you and Senator Moran canned Steve Six's nomination to the Federal Appeals Court. I'm not surprised.
What does surprise me is: the cowardly way in which you toed Brownback's line; and the fact that you both refused to give a reason for asking the Judiciary Committee to not process the nomination.
I am ashamed of your actions as quite frankly I expected more. You are a US Senator and should "own" your actions. Sir, you do not own the canning of Steve Six, rather you are running from it as shown by your refusal to provide a reason.
I used to vote a split ticket. Your, Senator Moran's and Brownback's actions have caused me to stop doing that."
verity (anonymous) replies…
I finally got through to Moran. When captcha comes up with a ?, just hit submit and it will give you one.
Maybe this means the site is busy---
KansasConscience (anonymous) replies…
Thanks verity
I finally got through also. So, he has both a fax and email from me.
MichaelC (anonymous) replies…
Here is what I sent in.
Dear Senator Roberts,
I am writing to let you know I greatly disapprove of the overwhelmingly partisan stance you took by blocking the nomination of Mr. Six. I am further angered by your inability to express your reasons for this block to the people who elected you. You answer to Kansans, but either you know you acted unethically and don't want to illuminate that fact, or you have forgotten the idea that you represent the people of our great state.
In one single action, you encompassed everything that is wrong with today's politics; you were biased in your partisanism, cloaked in your reasoning and you won't answer to your constituants.
You, and politicians like you on both sides of the aisle, are going to keep our country's turmoil running at a fever pitch. I wish you would try to find a common ground, solve issues and realize that you answer to your constituants.
SouthWestKs (anonymous) says…
I love this!! Not smart enough to figure out that Six stiffed us, meaning most Kansas's.. Got his butt beat good for reelection.. Now we don't have to worry about him beening a judge and making law!!
ladyoneill (anonymous) replies…
Wow! Where were you when Social Studies was being taught? Judges don't make law!
kuhawkster (anonymous) replies…
Well... that it pretty much how they teach it in SW Kansas, right?
verity (anonymous) replies…
Hawkster, SWK claims to be from "North Centeral Missouri." Enough said.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/jul...
think_about_it (anonymous) replies…
Someone should tell the Supreme Court that. Abortion anyone?
KayCee (anonymous) replies…
Seems we see too many Dem judges 'making law' when they are not suppost to. I'm sure that is what SWK is refering to. FYI.
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llama726 (anonymous) replies…
I'm glad we don't have to worry about him beening a judge! Most of us Kansas's would agree that the English language is for librulz only! We're smart enough to know the truth's!
TheRob (anonymous) says…
This sounds like a back room deal to me. Roberts and Moran agree to some request/demand by Leahy or other Democrats in exchange for the committee dropping the nomination.
larrytowngirl (anonymous) says…
Just yet another attack on Douglas County!! OMG... this whole thing is frightening to say the least! And yet again, ask questions, and you get NO answers!! God help the state of Kansas under the Brownback regime!!
kernal (anonymous) replies…
larrytowngirl, I wouldn't take this as an attack on Douglas County, but against the Democratic Party in general, regardless of the nominee's home state. If Six were a Republican, those letters would never have been sent.
vocal (anonymous) says…
Shame on both Moran and Roberts...I just cannot believe the level of partisanship that continues to destroy our political system. Steve Six is an excellent choice for any judicial panel...I will remember this come election time.
autie (anonymous) says…
Now we don't have to worry about him beening a judge and making law!!
Or worry about spelling either. Judges don't make law George. That's the legislators job. They are called Senators and Representatives. Not Judges. George, judges decide what a law means later. I don't want to beening a judge either.
xyz (anonymous) says…
Here's Moran's website. A link to Roberts' was posted earlier. I also emailed Leahy.
http://moran.senate.gov/public/index....
http://leahy.senate.gov/contact/
Disgusting behavior!!
xyz (anonymous) says…
Just got the robo-email response from Moran. Here are other ways to contact him. Thanks for sharing, Jerr!
http://www.twitter.com/jerrymoran
http://www.facebook.com/jerrymoran
http://www.youtube.com/senatorjerrymoran
skinney (anonymous) says…
that was not mean that was the truth
kansaskev61 (anonymous) says…
Whatever saves our beloved state of Kansas from the Libtards is fine with me.
kuhawkster (anonymous) replies…
What does that even mean? The republican party craps on me and you with dealings like this. Giving an oral approval and then, right before the nomination, writing a letter condemning a person they previously approved is deceitful at best. this is why no one has faith in our government today. At least man up and tell people why.
kernal (anonymous) replies…
kansaskev61, ever hear that old saying of careful what you wish for?
wprop (anonymous) says…
i feel sorry for the people on sen.roberts' staff.... they have totally lost their moral and ethical way.....mass resignation was the only course...
senegal66025 (anonymous) says…
All the Dems have to do is elect two Democratic Senators and then... never mind. In Kansas they will never be able to do that.
average (anonymous) says…
Major difference between this ticky-tacky crap and, say, Robert Bork.
In Bork's case, Ted Kennedy had at least enough courage to make a public speech on why he was voting against him. Many of the Dems went on Meet the Press and other venues.
Moran chooses the utter yellow coward's method, so he can continue to play the 'no, really, I'm not as extreme as Tiahrt/Pompeo/Brownback' good-old-boy schtick.
rtwngr (anonymous) replies…
Ted Kennedy killed Mary Jo Kopeknek and got away with it.
somedude20 (anonymous) says…
Anything to keep Obama a one term President they say. Well, you are killing this country by doing that! Really, some of these middle-earth hobbits are way worse than the terrorists that are trying to kill us. At least with a terrorist you know what you are going to get but these "people" hide behind an American flag pin on their suit jacket, spin their dreadful lies that idoit Americans believe and are taking this country down by using fear and religion.
When I took my oath before joining the Corps, I promised to defend this country from all threats, foreign and domestic, well, we have a rather large domestic one right now. It is not a good feeling when one sees their beloved country (one that I signed up to fight for) slipping so far away because of the actions of a few (when compared to the whole US population)
"We're workin' our jobs, collect our pay
Believe we're gliding down the highway, when in fact we're slip sliding away"
kernal (anonymous) replies…
Hear, Hear!!
Yeoman2 (anonymous) says…
I have sent e-mails to both of these doctrinaire idiots that the clueless and addled voters of Kansas have sent to Washington. Please do the same, For your information I am including the text of the e-mails I have sent to our Republican ATerrorist Party senators:
"Senator Moron/Roberts: I am completely disgusted, angry and pissed off at your opposition of Seven Six to the nomination to the Federal Bench. Mr. Six is supremely qualified for this position and a dgreat representative from Kansas. Your panderindg to the abortion freaks and Governer Brownback is deplorable, disgusting, dishonorable to Kansas and a great judge. I will work ceasely to have you removed from your embarrasing representation of the state of Kansas due to your political agenda of destroying a fine and competant person from this federal job."
Please do all the residents of Kansas a big favor and send a heads-up to these two abortion-addled idiots. News Flash!!!!!!Abortion is LEGAL in the United States. Idiot and pig-headed senators are NOT!
bgwmail (anonymous) replies…
Actually, "idiot and pig-headed senators" ARE legal if voted into office by a majority. You might not like it, but they acted legally.
think_about_it (anonymous) replies…
That'll show 'em.
verity (anonymous) says…
larrytowngirl (anonymous) replies…
can you please post e-mail address...
You'll need to go to their official websites:
http://roberts.senate.gov/public/
http://moran.senate.gov/public/
Go to the very right-hand tab that says either Connect or Contact and choose E-mail.
larrytowngirl (anonymous) replies…
thanks.
Yeoman2 (anonymous) says…
I got a response from moron. Here it is!!:
"This message is to let you know that I received your email. Your thoughts are important to me and I will respond as soon as possible. I welcome you to use the following services to stay connected and to contribute your ideas and feedback:
http://www.twitter.com/jerrymoran
http://www.facebook.com/jerrymoran
http://www.youtube.com/senatorjerrymoran
Best regards,
Jerry "
I expect to receive a letter on U.S. Senate stationary mailed in a real U.Senate franked free postage envelope with a real signed with an ink pen signature. Yeah........Right!!
yourworstnightmare (anonymous) says…
This is quite a precedent that the distinguished senators from Kansas are establishing.
Or is it a new line being crossed?
Or is it a new low being reached?
Centerville (anonymous) says…
Why don't you do a little investigating of this, since you'll never read about the reasons in the Journal World?
It is a shame, since Six seems the least abhorrent of the whole Trifecta bunch, but he is the one they left holding the bag.
ferrislives (anonymous) says…
It's nice to see forum members asserting their rights in contacting these cowardly Senators with their views, but it's a sad day for America in that hearing from their constituents just doesn't matter to them anymore.
They just don't care about us; only about themselves and their egos...and people like SouthWestKs from North Central Missouri.
"SouthWestKs (anonymous) says: I love this!! Not smart enough to figure out that Six stiffed us, meaning most Kansas's.. Got his butt beat good for reelection.. Now we don't have to worry about him beening a judge and making law!!"
'Nuf said.
think_about_it (anonymous) replies…
The reason that the Senators care about people like SouthWestKs and myself is because we hold the same values and beliefs that they do. We are the ones that elected them and we expect them to represent us and our beliefs. The fact that you and the other moonbats are beside yourselves is very comical.
For every nasty email that you goofs have sent, the Senators have received ten thanking them for upholding the values of normal Kansans.
ferrislives (anonymous) replies…
"We are the ones that elected them and we expect them to represent us and our beliefs."
So you are saying that when they were both inaugurated to the Senate, they swore that they would represent only like-minded folk such as yourself? If you believe that, you should try to find a time machine and move back in time to 1930's Germany.
People like you are no different than the Taliban; you just wear a confederate cap instead of a turban. All legislatures are supposed to represent all of their constituents you dingbat. Go back to school so that you can learn your history and your laws, you sheepish fellow you.
gudpoynt (anonymous) says…
Dear Mr. Moran,
The actions taken by you and Sen. Roberts in blocking consideration of Steve Six's nomination for the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals warrants an explanation.
Without a reasonable explanation, it comes across as a purely political stunt aimed simply at thwarting any and all things related to the Democratic party.
If you and Sen. Roberts have a reasonable explanation for blocking committee action, then you owe it to me and the rest of your constituency in making that explanation public.
If there is no reasonable explanation, and you and Sen. Roberts are denying Mr. Six consideration, irregardless of his qualifications, simply to be a thorn in the side of your political opposition, then you are failing me and the rest of your constituency as an elected representative.
Please show us you take your position seriously enough to keep informed those who you represent: What are your motivations in blocking Mr. Six's nomination?
Sincerely,
Robba Moran
IBike100 (anonymous) says…
There is no one more eithical or with higher moral standards than Steve Six. I know he will get another position some place else, and it will again, be Kansas's loss. Our state is being destroyed, and it's not slowly either. "What's the matter with Kansas?" The Republican Governor and legislature.
rtwngr (anonymous) replies…
That's a load of horse hockey. Steve Six did the bidding of Sebelius on behalf of her donors. This was to be his payback. Well he got what he deserved. Tough beans!
kernal (anonymous) replies…
Please give some examples, rtwngr.
Alceste (anonymous) says…
Sens. Pat Roberts and Jerry Moran = A couple of clodhoppers with some money....much of which they've obtained via the public dole and off the backs of the working men and women of Kansas. Too, you can bet your paycheck that Brownback is an integral aspect of this silliness. Clodhoppers the lot.
Centerville (anonymous) says…
"But the development delighted abortion opponents who claim Six did not do enough to prosecute abortion providers in the state."
That is a sad excuse for reporting: there's a big difference between "did not do enough" and what Six actually did. Then tried to blame it on his staff.
Bob_Keeshan (anonymous) replies…
What Six did was become the only prosecutor to take George Tiller to court.
rtwngr (anonymous) replies…
This was a case already on the docket that he had to prosecute. Too bad his office merely made a half hearted attempt that amounted to squat.
grammaddy (anonymous) says…
What's the matter with Kansas? This kind of crap. Brownback, Moran, Roberts, Jenkins, etc.
rtwngr (anonymous) replies…
Maybe you'd be happy living elsewhere. May I help you pack?
KansasConscience (anonymous) replies…
rtwngr.
This implies you're willing to live with "This kind of crap."
jimmyjms (anonymous) replies…
See, here we have the defective republican mind on display: "don't agree with me? Then you are un-American and should move."
Idiotic, small-minded and wrong. Where will you be moving when Obama wins in 2012? Iran seems a good fit for you.
Jimo (anonymous) says…
"That means Obama, like his two predecessors, could nominated someone from another state to that appeals court seat if he considers the Kansas senators are obstructing his nominees."
Which is exactly what I have written to the President to so request. And to be "loud" about doing it. Let Colorado have another judge on the Court. They have way more people than the Sunflower Koch-istan.
I urge others to do so as well (not that I'm holding my breath that "fair" Obama will learn to play politics at this late point in life).
TinmanKC (anonymous) says…
The Kansas Taliban continues to grip the throat of Kansas. Mr. Roberts and Mr. Moran.... why are you so afraid of democracy? Oh yeah... the Koch's OWN you.
sustainabilitysister (anonymous) says…
Unbelievable. What a loss.
xyz (anonymous) says…
Keep on spinning it, Pat, ol' boy!!!
Lame! Lame! Lame!
Bob_Keeshan (anonymous) says…
Here's what has happened ---
Kansas has had two judges on its Court of Appeals.
Because of the political shenanigans of its US Senators, Kansas will now have the minimum one judge on its Court of Appeals.
I hope it was worth it.
lunacydetector (anonymous) says…
you people sound flat out nuts. time to take your meds people. it isn't poison. it will hopefully make you think and reason.
cait48 (anonymous) replies…
Take your own advice, LD. You might get somewhere.
jayhawxrok (anonymous) says…
Pat Roberts is a hypocrite of the highest order, whining in 2003 and 2005 that Bush nominees to the bench might face fillibuster. Now he's slinking around, passing notes to torpedo a nominee for no reason other than to be an obstruction.
JayhawkFan1985 (anonymous) says…
This is just another example that proves the Kan-do spirit of Kansas politics is dead. Nancy Kassebaum and Bob Done ALWAYS worked with politicians on both sides of the aisle. Now, our two US senators may as well be from states like Texas or South Carolina. Geesh.
joejarvis (Joseph Jarvis) says…
From Sen. Roberts' statement: "And with all due respect, the average person can identify the constitutional defects of Obamacare."
This implies people who support the law are either dumber than the average person or don't support the constitution.
think_about_it (anonymous) replies…
Yep, same here.
joejarvis (Joseph Jarvis) replies…
@notleft_notright, @think_about_it:
Calling people on the other side of a policy stupid or un-American is not civil or stately. We should expect better from a senator.
mommatocharlie (anonymous) says…
The senators made the right decision. I applaud them
cait48 (anonymous) replies…
I feel sorry for Charlie.
willie_wilson (anonymous) replies…
+1
cheeseburger (anonymous) replies…
Because of the actions of the senators, future Charlies will have an opportunity to live and experience life.
beatnik (anonymous) says…
it doesn't sound as if the senators made a decision, it appears they were told to stop this after the fact, this was not a "right" or brave decision to stop a nomination with no reason, it was a cowardly political move to further the far right agenda.
toe (anonymous) says…
Good.
jhawkinsf (anonymous) says…
Whether it's this judicial nomination or the debt crisis or any one of many topics, I'll say it again. The number one problem in government is the inability of Democrats and Republicans to get along well enough for the government to function in the best interests of the American people.
The Constitution makes no mention of a two party system and it certainly does not say anything about a Democratic party or a Republican party. It's high time we the voters exercise our right to vote for people who will act in the best interests of the American people, non-Democrats and non-Republicans.
BornAgainAmerican (anonymous) says…
Good Grief! A real Liberal Pity Party here today. Nut Cases gone wild...
Alceste (anonymous) replies…
I will bet money that the flag that you're flying (that avatar) was coded in India, China, but not in the U S of A!! Sit down and shut up "American"......
BornAgainAmerican (anonymous) replies…
Typical fanatical, far left extremist...functioning on emotion rather than reasoned thought.
llama726 (anonymous) replies…
That's humorous. Because the Tea Party is just full of reasoned thought. Because the right cares so much about science or other reasonable things. Because the right loves any form of education, especially higher education where critical and reasoned thought are often derived. Yep.
BornAgainAmerican (anonymous) replies…
...and llama just re-confirmed the previous statement.
Alceste (anonymous) replies…
the "flag" you fly.....imply, "made in the U.S.A."? Of what value is such a thingy if it was made in China or India? The word hypocrite (as well as jackass) comes to mind....not to mention stupid.
However, we must learn to forgive the uninformed....you don't have a clue where that flag was coded so you can't even begin to answer the question or take the bet. Kindly do not mistake my earnestness for emotion. Strikes me that a poster who needs to wave a flag around is the one being "emotional". *shrug*
PS: I also do NOT like having all these soldier boys in uniform walking around out in the open in the land of the free, and the home of the brave. Have we become a militarized state at this point in the road?
BornAgainAmerican (anonymous) replies…
You are all over the map Alceste. First talking about a flag made in China to insult my avatar and then adding a PS to insult our military. Clearly, you are an anti-America Left Wing Whacko displaying psychotic symptoms. Will you be the next terrorist we hear about and discuss in these forums?
Alceste (anonymous) replies…
Projection on your part? Also what with that "made in china" bogus avatar???? "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
BornAgainAmerican (anonymous) replies…
No, not at all, the "projection" is entirely yours. Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn would be proud of you.
Alceste (anonymous) replies…
How'd you know I know them two from way back? Each made a couple of stops here in Lawrence for some "help".
BornAgainAmerican (anonymous) replies…
It was probably you who spit on me when I came limping back from the 'Nam. You did not like my Marine uniform and my combat medals did you?
BornAgainAmerican (anonymous) replies…
Oh, and BTW,
Maria Callas you are not.
Alceste (anonymous) replies…
Marine? No wonder. Airman; 2MOB; 3purple; 2bronze; 1silver. You "marines" had it easy. Go catch a pity party elsewhere. Typical.....
BornAgainAmerican (anonymous) replies…
Yeah, Khe Sanh was a vacation. And I have my share of salad as well.
Alceste (anonymous) replies…
You're the one who decided to take "it" in "that" direction. *shrug* And, again....go catch a pity party somewhere else.....
BornAgainAmerican (anonymous) replies…
All right...be pitiful on your own then. I have better things to do anyway.
Alceste (anonymous) replies…
I have all day and all night to do this. To begin with, Khe Sanh was a house party when compared to An Loc, April 1972.
Next, it is very clear and plain.....you learned very little from your exploitation and seemingly bought into same which is typical of a jarhead. I am glad I went VVAW and have no...read ZERO .... contact with the VA...what a waste of money on the American tax payer. Welfare to the max, right, Mr. I Fly The Flag???
The costs the American taxpayer with associated with VA "benefits" need to be closely examined and then removed on a large scale basis. Talk about "entitlement programs">>>????? Now that VA give away is one of the most costly.
Yeoman2 (anonymous) says…
Senators Roberts and Moron have an obligation to attempt to make some sort of sop to their extremist constituients given the current situation where fellow tea bag Republicans in the U.S..Congress are making damned fools and idiots of themselves.
To say that this decision by these two rabid Republican Terrorists is not political is to say that the President of the United States is a Kenyan citizen, another issue that most of these Republican wonks adhere to.
hear_me (anonymous) says…
Like a lot of Republicans, they have sold their souls for the sake of the party.
rtwngr (anonymous) says…
Here's what I wrote to Roberts and Moran:
Don't vote for Six. Please.
hear_me (anonymous) replies…
They are not on the committee.
justmytwocents (anonymous) says…
I emailed them both and asked them to pull their heads out and do something besides play party politics - but I said it nicer.
leonardpike (anonymous) says…
Robert's rationale is hypocritical. I witness Six's work. Six personally took cases to trial in several counties in Kansas. He was the first AG in 35 years to do so. He took a first degree murder to trial in Osbourne county and won. Another notable case was a murder case in Butler county. The defendant was convicted. I personally watched much of the trial and Six directed, cross examined, and gave the closing argument in that case.
Six further took an active role in the Great Bend murder just before leaving office. He announced that he was going to personally handle that case.
His successor, Derrick Schmidt, has passed along the Planned Parenthood case to "subordinates" by hiring a $300 outside firm at taxpayer expense. Will Roberts commit not to not endorsing Schmidt him in Schmidt's next campaign? After all, by Robert's logic, Schmidt is simply passing the responsibility to a subordinate. I am waiting for Robert's statement that he will not be supporting Derrick Schmidt in the next campaign due to his deferment of responsibility on the hard cases.
Six was a good AG and would have been a great judge for the 10th circuit.
4accountability (anonymous) replies…
You are correct on all counts. This was politics at its worst. Robert's has been a hypocrite for years. Robert's is a bully even among his own party. Kansas would be much better off with Six as a Judge than we are with the likes of Robert's as a Senator. Shame on Kansas if we elect Robert's again.
sad_lawrencian (anonymous) says…
Typo: "Earlier Thursday, the chairman Senate Judiciary Committee, said he would not consider Obama’s nomination of Six to the federal appeals court...."
4accountability (anonymous) says…
Steve Six has an excellent legal mind, moral integrity, and would have been a excellent choice for the 10th Circuit seat. Shame on those we voted to be our voice for Kansas. They did us a great injustice and we should remember it come the next election. They have lived with their power and privilege for so long they have forgotten their job and will not listen to their constituents. They will only get the message when the tally board shows that someone new recieved more votes.
cg22165 (anonymous) says…
"and the decisions by two federal judges"
Out of how many? I'm thinking if the majority of federal judges felt that the health care bill was unconstitutional, it would not have been put into effect.
"the average person can identify the constitutional defects"
Really? Apparently the majority of judges who had any say in the matter were not able to identify any defects. So, that means that Roberts thinks that the average person knows more about constitutional law than most judges responsible for interpreting it. Hmm, what does that say about Roberts?
grimpeur (anonymous) says…
"As a United States Senator, I take my constitutional responsibility seriously and base any judgment on the facts presented. "
No, sir, you certainly do not. Shame.
grimpeur (anonymous) says…
"As a United States Senator, I take my constitutional responsibility seriously and base any judgment on the facts presented. "
No, sir, you certainly do not. Shame.
oldexbeat (anonymous) says…
What a surprise -- Roberts -- former head of the US Senate Intelligence committee when it was totally unable to find facts about the horrible WMDs before the Iraq invasion -- either being stupid or being lied to or being purchased by Cheney; and Moran, running to the right wing, ending all rational thought and getting paid by Brownback by having his wife put on the Board of Regents, even though she is an employees of the Board (hey no conflict of interest there)... We are screwed. They will do anything to take back their government (you know, white, male, fake religious believers) and get their money sent by Kochs. Yup. That it.
mloburgio (anonymous) says…
Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS): Chairman of the Senate Cover-up Committee
As chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Sen. Pat Roberts’s (R-KS) duty is “to provide vigilant legislative oversight over the intelligence activities of the United States” and “to assure that such activities are in conformity with the Constitution and laws of the United States.” But on the most important intelligence issues facing Americans – such as the manipulation of Iraq intelligence, warrantless domestic spying, and torture – Roberts has transformed his committee into a “Senate Coverup Committee” for the Bush administration.
Warrantless Domestic Spying
Iraq Intelligence
Intelligence Leak Hypocrisy
Torture
What Editorial Boards Are Saying
http://thinkprogress.org/report/rober...
autie (anonymous) says…
Based on Pat's response and his own logic, he as the chairman of senate intelligence committe is directly responsible for the waste of billions of tax dollars and the deaths of thousands of people because of his total lack of personal oversight of the information reviewed by his committee.
Prediction..here it is folks: Pat will not run for re-election next round. But our latest lackey partisan player in the game, Mr. Schmidt is eye balling the day he can get the hell out of Kansas and go play in the big sandbox back east.
BrianR (anonymous) says…
A clear political hit. The senators are pathetic, off with their heads.
verity (anonymous) says…
So---it seems that all political decisions, at least in Kansas, now come down to whether a person is anti-abortion or not. This one issue is what it's all about. Even though abortion is legal.
Please, somebody tell me that I am wrong.
bgwmail (anonymous) replies…
IF you are anti-abortion and you feel that it is the killing of babies with heartbeats... then it is a pretty big issue. IF you believe this, then there is a lot of innocent babies being killed. IF you believe this, then I respect those who are willing to do everything they can to make it as rare as possible. Even though it has been deemed legal by the Supreme Court, it does not mean that Kansas politicians cannot do everything their power to reduce the number of abortions.
llama726 (anonymous) replies…
Seriously, if they wanted to do that, they could. They don't. They play pro lifers like a fiddle. You want to reduce abortions? Provide more social relief services, make it feasible to raise a child - work on the economy. Nope, we can't do that. Instead, we just have to try to make it illegal, which will not stop abortions. If you are anti-abortion, you should be reasonable, and work within existing laws - rather than focusing on changing laws, work on why women get abortions and resolve those issues. The fact that it is legal for me to drive does not cause me to drive. The fact that it is legal for me to drink does not cause me to drink.
verity (anonymous) replies…
bgwmail, so you're willing to let everything else go to hell, including people dying from lack of services and a screwed-up economy? As llama726 has pointed out, by your actions you are making it quite probable that there will be more abortions.
The politicians have been playing you for years.
WWWW (anonymous) says…
As is evident from this debate and that on the debt ceiling, we are quickly reaching a point in this country where there will be no respect for our government institutions. There will be no respect for the federal courts if our elected representatives believe that they are entitled to appoint political hacks that represent only the views of their elected officials. And there will be no respect for our legislative bodies if their only purpose is to perserve the power of the loudest and most well funded within our society. I hope Obama spites the Kansas fascits and nominates Sebelius to the bench. The GOP better be praying to their god (not mine) that Obama doesn't win re-election (there will be consequenses).
SouthWestKs (anonymous) says…
I love this..
The whine has reached a fever pitch..
Please keep it going..
Stay cool.
Have a great day..
bevy (anonymous) says…
vote them all out. None of them care about we, the people. They are bought and paid for. Of course since the local party folks control who gets on the ballot, the only way to do that would be through a write-in campaign. Wonder where that would take us?
It's time Americans took back their country from the extremists at both ends of the political spectrum. The fact is, most of us live on the middle ground. It's time our representatives did what they are paid to do - represent US, not corporations, special interests, and their own self-interest.
Time to set some term limits.
EarthaKitt (anonymous) says…
Write your Senators and vote against them. Please, please TALK to people you know about the issues and encourage them to vote as well.
think_about_it (anonymous) says…
..... OK time for a break.
Thanks to the Senators for upholding our values.
Judging by his response I believe that Senator Roberts was more than justified in blocking the nomination of Six. It might make you Lawrence folks upset but the vast majority of normal Kansans support him.
You are now free to resume your temper tantrums......
willie_wilson (anonymous) replies…
Unfortunately what you have completely overlooked is that words like "values" don't have any place in the duties and responsibilities of an appellate court justice. Their charge is purely in upholding and thoroughly understanding the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States. These attempts by our Senators to pervert the judicial process with partisan politics and, even worse, religion can only serve one purpose--undermining all of our inherent rights as American citizens and demeaning the "value" of our democracy.
bd (anonymous) says…
I'm sorry I have to agree with Pat, NO!
Heck just look at his eyes, he scares me!!!!!
autie (anonymous) says…
I guess Mr. Roberts and a few of the above commenters completely miss the point of having an Appellate Court staffed with highly trained and experienced jurist in the first place. I truly feel bad for those who appear to be stumbling through life to the beat of the common drum and no sense to think for themselves.
beatnik (anonymous) says…
i like to think the senators don't reflect "our" values, i really hope i am not bigoted, anti woman, or narrow minded even though i grew up in a small town in kansas
SouthWestKs (anonymous) says…
beatnik,
You are so right, they don't reflect your values..
They reflect the values of the majority of Kansas..
Stay cool..
Have a great day..
jayhawxrok (anonymous) says…
I'm so sick of right wing losers thinking their religious bull puckey is what should drive our laws and all our institutions. That's absurd.
Roberts is a huge hypocrite, whine whine whine whine about nominees not getting up or down votes when his party nominated them, but he'll be a backdoor skunk in effort to keep a Dem's nominees off the bench.
Right wing Christian zealots are America's Taliban.
cheeseburger (anonymous) replies…
I'm so sick of left wing losers thinking their atheistic bull puckey is what should drive or laws and all our institutions. That's absurd.
There, I fixed it for you.
KansasConscience (anonymous) replies…
cheeseburger-
Do you really want to go there? Your post is simply a verification of what jayhawxrok said.
KUGRAD82 (anonymous) says…
A victory for Kansas---Six was NEVER qualified to be a federal appeals judge, perhaps a municipal court judge in Lawrence is more his speed.
llama726 (anonymous) replies…
baseless assertions are wonderful
Jimo (anonymous) says…
Wow. So to summarize Roberts: My objections are wholly partisan politics. Judges exist to carry out the demands of their political masters, not to serve as dispassionate followers of the law.
Shorter translation: I'll only vote for a Republican nominee.
letsgiterdone (anonymous) says…
Please DO NOT vote for either Moran or Roberts in the next election. It is clear they do not want to do what is best for Kansans, only what is best for their party. Six is one of the very best possible candidates for this position. The senators from Kansas are only doing what they are told to do by their party. They clearly are not doing what is best for the citizens (and voters) here.
bunnyhawk (anonymous) says…
These are the same mealy mouthed GOP Senators who will pounce on any and every opportunity to withhold funding for any government programs that provide health care and education to children who have already been born; who walk among us today with inadequate housing, nutrition and health care. Who live in neighborhoods with woefully underfunded schools. Who live in neighborhoods clouded with pollution and other threats to public health. Inconsistent? No, it's not about values for these guys and their ilk..........it is very much about social control. Limiting access to abortion has the greatest effects upon the poorest women. Women with adequate means have always been able to access safe abortions, even before Roe v. Wade. The GOP's policies across the board look like a cohesive plan to create a serf class in what is still, if only marginally, the richest nation in the world.
verity (anonymous) replies…
"The GOP's policies across the board look like a cohesive plan to create a serf class in what is still, if only marginally, the richest nation in the world."
Pretty much. It first became apparent to me shortly after GWB took office, but looking back I realize it started at least during the Reagon administration.
What they don't seem to realize is that they are sowing the seeds of their own destruction. Without a vibrant middle class to buy stuff, eventually even the very wealthy will not be so well off. And at a certain point, when the serfs have no more to lose, there will be violence.
texburgh (anonymous) says…
The straw that breaks the camel's back. This is the first time I am ashamed to be a Kansan.
jayhawxrok (anonymous) says…
cheeseburger, nobody said atheism should drive anything but you, don't be a moron. Freedom of religion is just that, you need to grow up and accept that the US has never been, is not now and will never be a theocracy. Get over it.
cheeseburger (anonymous) replies…
I never have, nor ever will say atheism should drive anything. If you are going to quote someone, do so accurately.
You must just consider it ironic that the further away from God this country gets, the less defined our moral compass is. You likely need only look in the mirror to see evidence of that.
KansasConscience (anonymous) replies…
Who's god, cheeseburger: Yours; Father Sky and Mother Earth (http://gemsong.hubpages.com/slide/Sol... Brownback's? Who's?
KansasConscience (anonymous) replies…
Sorry, the link is broken. I'll find another.
cheeseburger (anonymous) replies…
Don't bother! It's clear from your avatar and your vitriol what you're all about.