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Town Talk: Hy-Vee seeks to build convenience store on Clinton Parkway; planners take aim at firing range issues; would you like wooden streets any better?

July 26, 2011


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• We’ve talked about Lawrence gasoline prices before. I’ve wondered if one reason gas prices have been higher in Lawrence than elsewhere is because there are some areas of town where it is just not a very competitive market. Take Clinton Parkway for example. Between Wakarusa and Iowa Street, there are no gas stations on Clinton Parkway. Soon, that may change. Hy-Vee is looking to get into the gasoline business on that stretch of road, but not at its store at Clinton Parkway and Kasold Drive. Instead, the grocer has filed plans to build a convenience store at the southwest corner of Clinton Parkway and Crossgate Drive. Plans filed at Clinton Parkway call for 10 gasoline stalls and a multi-bay car wash on the site. The site is part of the Inverness Park development, which stretches between Crossgate and Inverness. The area has been home to a lot of apartment development, and a lot of concern from nearby single-family property owners who say the area is becoming overbuilt with apartments. The city in the past has resisted retail development at that corner (Walgreens once was interested in it), instead saying it would be better suited for office development or more apartments. But city planners have been looking at the area again, and retail seems like more of an option now.

In fact, planning commissioners at their Wednesday evening meeting will consider a new land use plan for the 300-acre Inverness Park area. The draft plan call for “neighborhood commercial” development along Clinton Parkway at both Inverness Drive and Crossgate Drive. The Inverness corner could support an even larger development than what is being proposed at Crossgate. It is an 11-acre site, and at that size it could turn into something similar to the Hy-Vee center at Kasold Drive and Clinton Parkway, which is 13 acres, or the Orchards development at Bob Billings and Kasold which is 9 acres. In other words there is room for a major tenant and multiple shops on that site. It is clear neighbors don’t want more apartments, but it will be interesting to see if they want significant commercial development. This group of neighbors once proposed that the vacant area ought to become a park, which doesn’t seem very likely. But hey, the area is called Inverness Park.

Planners will consider the area plan on Wednesday, but they won’t consider the Hy-Vee convenience store proposal until at least September. City commissioners then will get in on the action.

•UPDATE: The Lawrence-Douglas County Planning Department announced Tuesday afternoon that the firing range issue has been deferred from tomorrow's meeting. It likely will be heard by the planning commission in September.

Talking about concern from neighbors, the local chapter of the Fraternal Order of Police is facing opposition from some residents who live near the organization’s longtime shooting range at 768 E 661 Diagonal Road in rural Douglas County. Planning commissioners are tentatively scheduled to hear a conditional-use permit request that would allow that 40-year-old range to continue in operation. But this long-simmering issue has a history of getting delayed. But what is clear is that planners are proposing a host of regulations for the site. They include:

  1. Limiting hours from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. Monday through Thursday; 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. on Friday and 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. on Saturdays and Sundays.
  2. Requiring the organization to take annual noise measurements while firing is underway at the site. Noise levels shouldn’t exceed certain levels at the site, planners say.
  3. No trespassing signs that also identify the property as a firing range will need to be posted every 100 feet around the perimeter of the range.
  4. Military training on the site shall be prohibited, except for military weapons that are likely to be used by police agencies. Neighbors previously had been concerned about the use of helicopters and ordnance.
  5. Soil levels will be measured on an annual basis to ensure they aren’t becoming polluted by lead from the bullets fired at the site. The FOP will have to undertake a lead reclamation project every 100,000 rounds or every seven years. That requirement also means that the range will have to keep documents about the number of rounds fired, the type of ammunition used and the type of firearm used.

• On Monday, we told you about a new city audit related to streets. Specifically, it looks at whether how we build streets today is better than how we built streets back in the 1980s and 1990s. The audit says, yes, although several LJWorld commenters don’t seem to agree.

But what about how we built streets back in the 1870s? City Auditor Michael Eglinski did run across an interesting bit of Lawrence trivia while he was compiling information for his latest audit. He found that back in the 1870s Lawrence was building streets out of wood. In particular East Eighth Street from Massachusetts to New Hampshire and West Ninth from Massachusetts to Vermont were built using wooden blocks. The idea was similar to using bricks, but instead the bricks were made from wood. Apparently the idea was somewhat popular back in the late 19th Century because horseshoes and steel wheels produced much less noise on wooden streets than they did on brick streets. According to an article in Forest History Today (really), there were some problems. Those included the fact that “the wood absorbed horse urine and excrement and sweated putrid fluid in hot weather.” But hey, they were quiet. Also rot could be an issue, but maybe not as much as you would think. The lumber was soaked in creosote, which helped prevent rot. But as folks during the great Chicago fire found out, it also burned pretty well too. If the streets were actually on fire, that might slow response times down. There are still some wooden block streets in existence in the United States. (Lawrence’s data didn’t indicate when ours were torn out.) One of the more prominent wooden block streets is in Cleveland — Hessler Court — just outside Case Western Reserve University.

• Speaking of horse urine and excrement … nah, just kidding. I wanted to see if you were still awake.


Duane Mellenbruch 6 years, 10 months ago

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! This area along Clinton Parkway needs a gas station!

Lisa Rasor 6 years, 10 months ago

Chad! It's "ordnance" not ordinances! Look it up! And don't put an "s" on the end of ordnance, either, or a firing squad will be ordered.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 10 months ago

(I'm looking the other way because I can't seem to post anything without a spelling or grammatical error creeping in. But I look on the bright side. That proves my posts are entirely original.)

Jillster 6 years, 10 months ago

There's a difference between the words "ordinance" and "ordnance." One refers to rules and regulations, the other to artillery and the like. (And if this is supposed to be a joke, I don't get it.)

Chad Lawhorn 6 years, 10 months ago

You are absolutely correct. Although, as a City Hall reporter for a long time, I can attest that ordinances can be dangerous too. Thanks, Chad

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 10 months ago

The mention of wooden streets brings back a childhood memory. When I was very young, in the early 1960s, there was a wooden bridge on a little used country road in western Kansas which was on the back way to the farm where I lived. It was built entirely of wood.

My memories of it are rather picturesque not only because of its construction, but also because as you drove across it you passed underneath the tress on the west side of the road. I have no idea how old it actually was. It was pretty old, though.

It was a small one lane bridge and rather conventional in every way, and the base of the crossing surface was made of wooden planks which were perpendicular to the road. I should also add that there was rarely any water underneath it.

But when you drove across it, you were supposed to drive with your car wheels on pair of tracks which were wooden boards that were parallel to the road.

Once one of my aunts missed the pair of wooden boards which were the tracks you were supposed to drive on as she drove across it, and there was quite a racket! She exclaimed, "What did I do?"

My mother told her that she had missed the boards that she was supposed to drive on when she crossed that bridge, but it was no big deal, it was all right. No harm done.

But by the middle 1960s, that bridge had been replaced with a more modern one.

DillonBarnes 6 years, 10 months ago

Go drive some gravel roads north of the river in Jefferson Co, there are two around Perry that come to mind. Not sure if the entire support is wooden but the top is exactly as you described.

lunacydetector 6 years, 10 months ago

forget the replace the bricks idea, just use wooden blocks. the hysterical preservationists should love it, and there isn't any horse doo doo or p.p. to stink the joint up

Joe Hyde 6 years, 10 months ago

Ordnance indeed. Is it too late to redesign the FOP's firing range so that the silhouette targets are lined up east of the Lodge at a higher shooting angle with no backstop? Periodically station a patrolman on Lone Star Lake's dam where he or she can direct plunging fire onto litter-throwing bubba dip$hits.

RoeDapple 6 years, 10 months ago

Wow Joe! Shooting people for littering now? 50 years ago you were the most safety minded teen I knew, even patterned my own safe gun handling habits by your example. Things change . . . I guess . . .

Joe Hyde 6 years, 10 months ago

I apologize, RoeDapple, for failing to announce in my post that the Sarcasm Lamp was lit.

It confuses me how anyone can be upset by the firing done at the FOP range. We all want law officers to be skilled shooters if ever that horrible showdown moment comes. So, how can they be good shots if they can't practice? When I'm fishing at Lone Star their shooting sounds like rain on the roof to me.

Another thing: I almost always pick up trash when I visit Lone Star Lake. One morning I policed shoreline trash from the east end of the dam clear back to the end of the swimming beach cove, in the process filling six 55-gallon plastic bags. I've long had a deep-seated hatred of "sportsmen" who deliberately throw litter, or leave litter behind, in the environments where wildllife live. I hope you've patterned your own habits based on this example, too.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 10 months ago

Retail and residential over load on Clinton Parkway = Lawrence maybe filling bankruptcy in the near future.

Taxpayers will soon tire of subsidizing reckless management and reckless developers.

Pastor_Bedtime 6 years, 10 months ago

He's too busy coordinating Lowe's buyout of Home Depot and other critical business issues. I'm sure his desk is filled with phones all lit up like in the movies.

droppinplates 6 years, 10 months ago

Merrill, wth is wrong with you? Why do you post the same crap over and over? A new gas station on Clinton Pkwy will cause Lawrence to go bankrupt, Lowes should buy out Home Depot....I can't imagine anyone taking you seriously.

kshiker 6 years, 10 months ago

Here comes the typical cut and paste from Merrill. Find something else to do.

hip_gma 6 years, 10 months ago

No gas stations between Wakarusa and Iowa, correct. But having one so close to Wakarusa where there is one, any new one should be more towards Iowa, but where is the question

CHKNLTL 6 years, 10 months ago

I'm wondering how many fairly empty malls this town can support.... wakarusa & bob billings isn't too whippy with all its tenant turnovers in recent years. orchards mall had the highest vacancy rate in town only a few years ago, and has a gas station. then there's that little strip mall at clinton parkway and wakarusa that is always open, but i've never seen any customers, that has a gas station. Is it really necessary to have each type of retail business in town within 1 mile of another one? Is it really too far to drive 1 mile? I can't see this project increasing sales tax revenues for our city, but it may skew the property values a little more towards "utterly inflated".

Charles L. Bloss, Jr. 6 years, 10 months ago

I am sure you people have things to do besides messing with the FOP range. We had a similar problem with the Shawnee County Sheriff's range. It was discovered that no one had ever gotten a permit for the range, located in an old county dump yard. County Commissioners closed the range. We had to borrow ranges from other agencies while a new state of the art range and training facility was designed. Now Shawnee Sheriff's Office has an incredible, state of the art range and training building. They even have a machine to pick up the brass, and moving targets. Some things are blessings in disguise.

pizzapete 6 years, 10 months ago

It seems to me that the regulations being proposed for the shooting range are reasonable. I like going to the range and shooting my guns as much as the next guy and agree the police need this range for their training. If these regulations will keep the range open for business I'm all for it.

fu7il3 6 years, 10 months ago

I'm against saying when they can or can't use the range. I really don't think it should be the county's business.

Are they going to tell me that I can't go shoot a gun on my own land if it is isn't during their approved times? I thought that was the whole point in living in the county instead of the city, so you had more freedom over your own land.

I might be somewhat understanding of 8pm, because maybe people are going to sleep in the are, but 5 on Fridays and 6 on Saturday and Sunday just seem trivial.

kevbel246 6 years, 10 months ago

Concerning those complaining about the firing range....they should be asked, when they moved to the area. If it was after the range opened then they have nothing to complain about. Maybe they should have researched the area a little better.

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