House GOP should call Obama’s bluff

July 16, 2011


— President Obama is demanding a big long-term budget deal. He won’t sign anything less, he warns, asking, “If not now, when?”

How about last December, when he ignored his own debt commission’s recommendations? How about February, when he presented a budget that increases debt by $10 trillion over the next decade? How about April, when he sought a debt-ceiling increase with zero debt reduction attached?

All of a sudden he’s a born-again budget balancer prepared to bravely take on his own party by making deep cuts in entitlements. Really? Name one. He’s been saying forever that he’s prepared to discuss, engage, converse about entitlement cuts. But never once has he publicly proposed a single structural change to any entitlement.

Hasn’t the White House leaked that he’s prepared to raise the Medicare age or change the cost-of-living calculation?

Anonymous talk is cheap. Leaks are designed to manipulate. Offers are floated and disappear.

Say it, Mr. President. Give us one single structural change in entitlements. In public.

As part of the pose as the forward-looking grown-up rising above all the others who play politics, Obama insists upon a long-term deal. And what is Obama’s definition of long-term? Surprise: An agreement that gets him past Nov. 6, 2012.

Nothing could be more political. It’s like his Afghan surge wind-down date. September 2012 has no relation to any military reality on the ground. It is designed solely to position Obama favorably going into the last weeks of his re-election campaign.

Yet the Olympian above-the-fray no-politics-here pose is succeeding. A pliant press swallows the White House story line: the great compromiser (“clearly exasperated,” sympathized a Washington Post news story) being stymied by Republican “intransigence” (the noun actually used in another front-page Post news story to describe the Republican position on taxes).

The meme having been established, Republicans have been neatly set up to take the fall if a deal is not reached by Aug. 2. Obama is already waving the red flag, warning ominously that Social Security, disabled veterans’ benefits, “critical” medical research, food inspection — without which agriculture shuts down — are in jeopardy.

The Republicans are being totally outmaneuvered. The House speaker appears disoriented. It’s time to act. Time to call Obama’s bluff.

A long-term deal or nothing? The Republican House should immediately pass a short-term debt-ceiling hike of $500 billion containing $500 billion in budget cuts. That would give us about five months to work on something larger.

The fat-cat tax breaks (those corporate jets) that Obama’s talking points endlessly recycle? Republicans should call for urgent negotiations on tax reform along the lines of Simpson-Bowles that, in one option, strips out annually $1.1 trillion of deductions, credits and loopholes while lowering tax rates across the board to a top rate of 23 percent. The president says he wants tax reform, doesn’t he? Well, Mr. President, here are five months to do so.

Will the Democratic Senate or the Democratic president refuse this offer and allow the country to default — with all the cataclysmic consequences that the Democrats have been warning about for months — because Obama insists on a deal that is 10 months and seven days longer?

That’s indefensible and transparently self-serving. Dare the president to make that case. Dare him to veto — or the Democratic Senate to block — a short-term debt-limit increase.

This is certainly better than the McConnell plan, which would simply throw debt reduction back to the president. But if the House cannot do Plan A, McConnell is the fallback Plan B.

After all, by what crazy calculation should Republicans allow themselves to be blamed for a debt crisis that could destabilize the economy and even precipitate a double-dip recession? Right now, Obama owns the economy and its 9.2 percent unemployment, 1.9 percent GDP growth and exploding debt about which he’s done nothing. Why bail him out by sharing ownership?

You cannot govern this country from one house. Republicans should have learned that from the 1995-96 Gingrich-Clinton fight when the GOP controlled both houses and still lost.

If conservatives really want to get the nation’s spending under control, the only way is to win the presidency. Put the question to the country and let the people decide. To seriously jeopardize the election now in pursuit of a long-term small-government Ryan-like reform that is inherently unreachable without control of the White House may be good for the soul. But it could very well wreck the cause.

Charles Krauthammer is a columnist for Washington Post Writers Group.


just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

Yep-- Wall Street wouldn't have it any other way, and they own both parties.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans' Wealth Is Stolen by Dennis Kucinich

The rancorous debate over the debt belies a fundamental truth of our economy -- that it is run for the few at the expense of the many, that our entire government has been turned into a machine which takes the wealth of a mass of Americans and accelerates it into the hands of the few.

Take war. War takes the money from the American people and puts it into the hands of arms manufacturers, war profiteers, and private armies. The war in Iraq, based on lies: $3 trillion will be the cost of that war. The war in Afghanistan; based on a misreading of history; half a trillion dollars in expenses already. The war against Libya will be $1 billion by September.

Fifty percent of our discretionary spending goes for the Pentagon. A massive transfer of wealth into the hands of a few while the American people lack sufficient jobs, health care, housing, retirement security.

Our energy policies take the wealth from the American people and put it into the hands of the oil companies. We could be looking at $150 a barrel for oil in the near future.

Our environmental policy takes the wealth of the people -- clean air, clean water -- and puts it in the hands of the polluters. It's a transfer of wealth, not only from the present but from future generations as our environment is ruined.

Insurance companies, what do they do? They take the wealth from the American people in terms of what they charge people for health insurance and they put it into the hands of the few.

We have to realize what this country's economy has become. Our monetary policy, through the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, privatized the money supply, gathers the wealth, puts it in the hands of the few while the Federal Reserve can create money out of nothing, give it to banks to park at the Fed while our small businesses are starving for capital.

Mark my words -- Wall Street cashes in whether we have a default or not. And the same type of thinking that created billions in bailouts for Wall Street and more than $1 trillion in giveaways by the Federal Reserve today leaves 26 million Americans either underemployed or unemployed. And nine out of ten Americans over the age of 65 are facing cuts in their Social Security in order to pay for a debt which grew from tax cuts for the rich and for endless wars.

There is a massive transfer of wealth from the American people to the hands of a few and it's going on right now as America's eyes are misdirected to the political theater of these histrionic debt negotiations, threats to shut down the government, and willingness to make the most Americans pay dearly for debts they did not create.

These are symptoms of a government which has lost its way, and they are a challenge to the legitimacy of the two-party system.


Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

After spending so so many decades in Washington D.C on tax dollar payrolls republicans are sure they learned all they needed to know about OUR money and founding reckless economies. Republicans have much experience under their belts and they never quit sharing.

For openers...

  1. TABOR is Coming by Grover Norquist and Koch Bros. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0705rebne.html

  2. The Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan Heist(Cost taxpayers $1.4 trillion) http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

  3. Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers under Bush/Cheney http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

  4. Bush and Henry Paulson blew the $700 billion of bail out money? http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

And that tax cuts do nothing to make an economy strong or produce jobs.

  1. Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts - The ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2001/0301miller.html

In end big debt and super duper bailouts were the results which does not seem to bother Republicans, as long as they are in power.

In fact, by the time the second Bush left office, the national debt had grown to $12.1 trillion:

  • Over half of that amount had been created by Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy.

  • Another 30% of the national debt had been created by the tax cuts for the wealthy under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

• Fully 81% of the national debt was created by just these three Republican Presidents. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

Flap Doodle 6 years, 9 months ago

You know what? I'd swear that I saw this same drivel posted on another thread of this award-winning website today?

Linda Endicott 6 years, 9 months ago

You know what? I'd swear that I saw your same drivel posted countless times on this and other threads, too...

Gene Wallace 6 years, 9 months ago

You Hijacked a Conservative talk show hosts name, you continuously cut and post the words of other Progressive Liberals, refer to links of other "cut and posters", and use the majority of techniques of the "Propaganda Game" to deflect and demean. Why can't YOU just represent yourself and your own ideologies? Here's mine - http://www.squidoo.com/ameripagan - CCG! Cheshire Cat Grin - "Retired and can't be fired for being, Public!"

Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

This is the only budget that makes any sense does everything this country needs:

* Creates good-paying jobs
* Fully maintains our social safety net
* Invests in education
* Ends our costly wars
* Closes the tax loopholes that have made offshoring jobs profitable
* Ends oil and gas subsidies that pollute our country at taxpayer expense
* Creates a national infrastructure investment bank to help us make intelligent investments for the future

This budget represents the future we believe in as Americans, and the CPC really needs our support to keep it on the front burner. Please call your member of Congress, now.

This is one of those occasions we all hope we'll live to see: We really can make a difference right now if we speak up loudly with one voice.

The People's Budget represents not just common sense; it represents the will of the American people.

The People's Budget is getting mainstream attention, but it won't hold that attention unless we speak up about how important our values really are. These aren't just words on a page or numbers in a table—these dollars and cents mean lives helped or hurt, people succeeding or falling by the wayside, and families lifted up or dragged down. This is about America. http://www.pdamerica.org/get-informed/view/critical-vote-on-the-peoples-budget-scheduled-for-9-am-tomorrow/

What the Peoples Budget does very specifically:





Crazy_Larry 6 years, 9 months ago

Hey merrill! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZeiSK...

end corporate 'personhood' end agricultural subsidies end foreign aid end the federal reserve bank impose small tax on every bank transaction that is not part of retirement account (see video below) better regulation of banks and wall street dilute ownership of the media machine end the two party system (illusion of choice) impose term limits on federal and state representatives end lobbying by corporations and unions public finance of election campaigns ban for-profit corporate prisons and release all nonviolent offenders end the war on drugs legalize prostitution increase minimum wage 50% simplify the tax code invest in alternative and renewable energy sources create single payer universal health care system *tax churches

The Robin Hood Tax


Scott Drummond 6 years, 9 months ago

Tha American people recognize george w. bush and the republicon banksters are responsible for the economy.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

The problem with the stimulus spending was that it was way too little and to the wrong people.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 9 months ago

Forget the People's Budget! Read the People's Cube!

"Obama: "We can't cut our way to prosperity, but we sure can spend our way to oblivion"


jafs 6 years, 9 months ago

I think that purple dinosaurs can't write.

chootspa 6 years, 9 months ago

No, Barney Frank has done a fine job.

Gene Wallace 6 years, 9 months ago

Heard that Barny, the Purple Dinosaur, is retiring.

chootspa 6 years, 9 months ago

I wouldn't know. I refuse to let my kids watch it, because it's one of the few valid arguments against public funding for PBS.

cato_the_elder 6 years, 9 months ago

Excellent column. Barack Obama has proven himself quite capable in accomplishing one thing and one thing only: Getting elected to political office, beginning when he was in law school with his political campaign to get elected as president of the Harvard Law Review.

Call his bluff. His response will be based solely on his own political considerations, and he'll back down.

Maddy Griffin 6 years, 9 months ago

Call his bluff if you want to, but you better be damned sure you're on the right side of this issue if you do.It could be political suicide.

Gene Wallace 6 years, 9 months ago

To "teabag" - "to put a person or persons in political hot water" Similar to: "putting their feet to the fire". Tis the name calling "Propaganda Game" technique used to "kill the messenger" to deflect from discussing the "Message". Silver Shadow and his "friends" use a slang term for a sexual act, considered to be deviant by some, as a Name Calling Deflection Technique. Methinks Silver Shadow, and others like him, need to be dipped in some Hot Water and have their "mouths washed out with soap".

Corey Williams 6 years, 9 months ago

Considering the number of closeted homosexuals in the conservative party, you would have thought that, upon hearing the first "tea bagger" identify themselves as such, they would have surely nipped it in the bud. Although, nicely veiled threat of violence. I see what you did there.

notaubermime 6 years, 9 months ago

"If conservatives really want to get the nation’s spending under control, the only way is to win the presidency."

hahahahahahahahahaha... weez, puff... hahahahahahahaha

Corey Williams 6 years, 9 months ago

And the one before that...and the one before that. What's the difference between dems and repubs? Dems are tax and spend, Repubs are borrow and spend

Bob_Keeshan 6 years, 9 months ago

Easy for Krauthammer to say.

He'll have a job no matter what, at least until NewsCorp goes down in flames.

weeslicket 6 years, 9 months ago

so, mr. krauthammer's argument seems to be that republicans need to destroy america in order to save america. or rather, republicans need to destroy america in order to promote themselves.


Corey Williams 6 years, 9 months ago

When I close my eyes tightly it's because my brain hurts from being inundated with stupidity. Like when I read your posts.

Corey Williams 6 years, 9 months ago

Yes, but like car accidents and objects that are grotesque in appearance, it's very hard not to.
I'm kidding of course. It's the stupidity and brazen arrogance that draws me in.

jafs 6 years, 9 months ago

Obama gets criticized for being too strong, pushing his agenda, and for being too weak, in their view, often by the same people.

Sounds like he just can win with some people.

Corey Williams 6 years, 9 months ago

As you just hide behind the playground practice of name calling. Very mature of you.

Miles Nease 6 years, 9 months ago

Actually, SilverShadow started the name-calling.

Jimo 6 years, 9 months ago

A. There's no Obama bluff to call. The GOP cannot survive by antagonizing their patrons with the moolah. All the current drama comes from the Republican attempt at an organized retreat from having willfully painted themselves into a corner with no exit under the delusion that doing so would guarantee their victory. Obama called their bluff by proposing far more deficit reduction than the GOP and got the Repubs to admit they don't really want to reduce debt but rather just protect the wealthy. The damage to the Republican "brand" is already severe. Shooting the hostages will only result in the extermination of the GOP.

B. Spending? Debt? Be serious. The important issue is jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs.

Jimo 6 years, 9 months ago

A. Your link does not use the figure of 4.6 million jobs. That would be you lying.

B. Your link does not state that "government monetary stimulus spending has cost...2.4...million jobs." That would be you lying.

C. The word "government" does not appear even once in the article.

Your link says that the Federal Reserve's holding down of interest rates has cost, inter alia, 2.4 million jobs. Again, low interest rates, not "spending".
a. Of course, the Fed must pursue loose monetary policy precisely because of the abdication of fiscal policy by the politicians. (What else is new?) b. This leaves aside the non-mainstream conclusion that low interest rates cost jobs at all. c. Spending--by definition--creates jobs, as spending is what economic activity consists of. Saying the opposite is to spout nonsense equivalent to "up is down". d. This interest rate claim reminds us that government debt is both a liability and an asset, and as such is not by itself "bad".

In short: 1. You're a liar and have now documented that fact to the world. 2. You're incredibly stupid by assuming no one would bother to click your link and actually read what your source has to say. 3. (Unless you want to fall back on your earlier excuse of being illiterate. What a defense!)

Jimo 6 years, 9 months ago

Link, then "Spending is what is ruining this economy."

Lots of words but you fail to point to anything that even remotely says "Spending is what is ruining this economy."

That's your quote. Defend it with your article or retract it and apologize.

Jimo 6 years, 9 months ago

You got caught in a lie. And then didn't have enough character to admit it when challenged.

Yep. Got it.

Jimo 6 years, 9 months ago

"Spending is what is ruining this country." Not one damned word supporting that in your link. Don't take a dump on my shoe and call it potting soil, you dammed liar.

Jimo 6 years, 9 months ago

So, for the record, you made it up.

JohnBrown 6 years, 9 months ago

"Right now, Obama owns the economy and its 9.2 percent unemployment, 1.9 percent GDP growth and exploding debt about which he’s done nothing. "

Isn't it nice when you can re-write history? After all, we've had the Bush Tax cuts for 10 years now, and look at all the jobs it created. The economy was on a ROLL! Until O'Bama took over. It's been all down hill since.

In reality, O'Bama was handed a depression and turned it into a recession. No small accomplishment, especially considering the Republicans have opposed his every attempt at saving the economy along the way.

The Republicans care about one thing, and one thing only: defeating O'Bama and enhancing their own power. They have even shown themselves willing to put the country at risk in order to accomplish this.

tomatogrower 6 years, 9 months ago

The GOP would love to take down the entire US economy, so they can take down President Obama. If someone invaded our country and Obama called our troops to fight, the GOP would be against it. This obsession has gone too far.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 9 months ago

Somebody turn off the White House teleprompter & let us hear what the Mope in Chief can say for himself.

chootspa 6 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, I hear Reagan wasn't very good without the TelePrompTer, either.

beatrice 6 years, 9 months ago

"If conservatives really want to get the nation’s spending under control, the only way is to win the presidency."

Now, what is that line about failing to learn from history again?

Sorry, but we have been there, done that, and didn't see the results now being promised. Why should we possibly believe conservatives now? Fool me once ...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

"The Rs have stepped up and offered solutions,"

Yea, Final Solutions.

Sigmund 6 years, 9 months ago

H.J.Res.47; A joint resolution increasing the statutory limit on the public debt:

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That subsection (b) of section 3101 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by striking out the dollar limitation contained in such subsection and inserting in lieu thereof $8,965,000,000,000.

Every Democratic Senator voted against raising the debt limit to just south (by $35 Billion) of $9 Trillion 2006.

Akaka (D-HI) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Burns (R-MT) Byrd (D-WV) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Clinton (D-NY) Coburn (R-OK) Conrad (D-ND) Dayton (D-MN) Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Johnson (D-SD) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Menendez (D-NJ) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Obama (D-IL) Pryor (D-AR) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Salazar (D-CO) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Wyden (D-OR) http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00054

Mixolydian 6 years, 9 months ago

This was in 2006 when the democrats were against raising the debt limit when the republicans had control.

Same thing, different hats now. Just politics, like when Obama said the last thing you want to do is raise taxes during a recession. It's all politics where the only job the politician is concerned about is their own..

chootspa 6 years, 9 months ago

Political theater. They knew it wasn't enough to actually prevent passage, yet they'd still go on record as being tough on the deficit. Same thing this time around, only now the Rs have to decide who gets to be the sacrificial lambs in order to get this thing to pass.

Sigmund 6 years, 9 months ago

SilverShadow (anonymous) replies… "So, exactly what does posting list of names to a mindless, meaningless resolution mean?"

Raising the debt limit is a "mindless, meaningless resolution?" Then what is all this fuss about?

Sigmund 6 years, 9 months ago

SilverShadow (anonymous) says… "Meaning what?"

If raising the debt limit is a "mindless, meaningless resolution" as you say, then by all means every Senator should vote against it like the democrat Senators (including Sen. Obama) did in 2006.

camper 6 years, 9 months ago

I would also recommend starting a garden and buying fishing tackle. Maybe even a pellet gun for squirrels and rabbits.

Jimo 6 years, 9 months ago

In related news, the Obama administration continues to push for expense controls in Medicare by bargaining for lower drug costs in the program.

So, the GOP leaped at the chance to lower government spending on Medicare, right? Yes?

Errrr....no. No way. Higher costs are good!


This whole debate has been a useful illustration that the GOP does not care about debt at all except as an excuse to subsidize their favorite constituents: the wealthy.

Jimo 6 years, 9 months ago

Controlling costs are "proven failed ideas"?

I guess that's what you're reduced to when you are exposed.

For the record: GOP offered means to reduce gov't expenses; GOP rejects lowered expenses. Spin that, Barney.

Jimo 6 years, 9 months ago

"spend us to death"

Outside of medical costs and military costs, government spending is a smaller slice of GDP now than it was a decade ago.

We don't have only a spending problem. We have a severe tax shortfall problem.

"Failed ideas"??? I'm still waiting for an explanation of where the prosperity and jobs promised with the Bush tax cuts went to. "A history of unmitigaged failure" is the normal description of this "failed idea."

Throwing money at billionaires does not create a job!

In contrast, creating a job does create a job. Let's get busy and clean up the Bush mess.

Jimo 6 years, 9 months ago

Oh, and btw -- reducing the deficit by cutting spending and raising taxes is the approach favored by an overwhelming number of Americans.

Suck on that one.

jafs 6 years, 9 months ago

That had specifically to do with SS/Medicare.

I imagine if you include other large expenses like the military in the cuts column, Jimo is right.

BTW, it's interesting and strange that people say there are big problems with SS/Medicare and yet about 1/2 of them won't support raising taxes or cutting benefits.

What do they expect will happen if we do nothing?

jafs 6 years, 9 months ago

I don't know.

I think most reasonable people understand that the only real solution to our current financial problems is to both raise revenue and cut spending.

Difficulties arise as soon as one tries to figure out how to do either of those things - nobody wants their own taxes raised, and nobody wants their favorite spending projects cut.

I wonder what those folks who realize there are big problems with the programs I mentioned above think will happen if we simply do nothing.

Kate Rogge 6 years, 9 months ago

So Krauthammer thinks Republicans should yield up debit limit control to President Obama so that he is fatally tarred with a brush that rightfully belongs to the Republican held House? And why do that? Because for Republican congressmen to actually do their jobs in the House and work out a compromise solution to our national budget and debts would "seriously jeopardize the election... and... wreck the cause." Jeeze, Louise. The Cause? Krauthammer thinks taking America down through a refusal to engage in any compromise is the responsible course for Republicans? Our country should not be allowed to survive this terrible recession without yet another Republican president? What on earth has happened to the Republican Party?

camper 6 years, 9 months ago

OK it is rather hypocritical that many Democrats voted against the debt ceiling in 2006. Point given to the Repubs.

Having established that point, let's focus on where we are today. Do we want to risk a financial crisis today just to spite the opposing party? Do we want to see the opposing political fail so much that we are willing to put our future and the future of our children in risk. The gravity of the situation is right now. And our politicians need to do what is best for the country, not their political party.

The debt ceiling must be passed. It is a no-brainer. Once this is passed, congress needs to pass a budget. These are two separate issues. Regarding the latter, sooner than later the US must take drastic measures to reduce the 15 trillion debt. There is no getting around the fact that a huge economic correction is going to have to take place. There is going to be pain and sacrifice. There will mostly be losers and I predict that we will have a decade similar to the 1930's......unless our leaders can take measures of prevention. With the current bunch we have in office, I just don't see it happening.

camper 6 years, 9 months ago

It needs to be because we must pay prior obligations and interest that keeps accumulating. It also needs to be passed because if not, interest rates will increase and we will be saddled with more debt, some estimatte as much as 2-3 trillion in increased interest payments. Not raising the ceiling will make things worse because of increased interest charges and a likely downturn in the economy which will lessen tax revenue and thus even more debt.

If it were up to me, I'd say raise the debt ceiling now, then do your budget slashing.

No easy answer tho Liberty. Either way, there's gonna be pain involved.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

" How about we start reducing the debt instead of increasing it, hmm?"

Fine, but the Republicans, who are screaming the loudest to decrease the debt, would do it largely by kicking the disabled, the elderly and the unemployed to the curb, (clearly expecting that they'll just disappear without a trace.)

So, realistically, how do you propose that they can accomplish this, given their reticence to do it any other way than on the backs of those who can least afford it?

Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

  • Hands Off Medicare

Hands Off Medicare! Healthcare-NOW! is fighting back!

The deficit commission is meeting behind closed doors regularly to balance the nation's budget on the backs of working people looking to the programs that keep us from financial devastation – social security and Medicare.

We say cuts to these important programs are "OFF THE TABLE." http://www.healthcare-now.org/campaigns/single-payer-rally/

HANDS OFF - Social security

5 important Myths http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89703&id=22140-1285051-8ACVPdx&t=9

Substantial Social Security History and Facts – Separating Fact from Fiction http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

Flap Doodle 6 years, 9 months ago

Where have we seen all these links dozens of times? Oh, wait, it was right here on this award-winning website.

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 9 months ago

I just pulled a bot fly larvae out of a kitten's neck. First for me...didn't realize we had this kind of parasite in Kansas.

Check this video out! Seems like a good idea to me.

The Banker

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 9 months ago

Think global. Trillions of dollars in transactions, therefore, a minute tax (0.05%) will raise billions of dollars.

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 9 months ago

Wealth is transferred every day...through taxation and commerce.

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 9 months ago

Robin Hoods stole from "the rich" and gave it to "the poor."

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 9 months ago

100 trillion in transaction will bring 50 billion in tax dollars.

Crazy_Larry 6 years, 9 months ago

Correction: I believe it would actually raise 500 billion (i'm a little tipsy at this late hour).

jayhawxrok 6 years, 9 months ago

It's the Reps who've been bluffing, all along whining to tv cameras but telling their wall st buddies they'd desl.

jayhawklawrence 6 years, 9 months ago

I think I figured out what is wrong with this debate over the debt.

Too many chiefs and not enough Indians and a lot of radical and irresponsible rhetoric.

When you listen to Senator DeMint explain the Tea Party position it is not that unreasonable and you get a different story than what everybody else is saying.

Why is that?

I don't think Obama and DeMint are that far apart on a deal.

Carol Bowen 6 years, 9 months ago

I was on Senator DeMint's junk mail list for a while. It was junk mail. Four page letters with a lot of emotional statements and name calling. I had to do Google searches to figure out what he was talking about. The letters came from some organization rather than the senator's office, but they were definitely letters from the senator. I left an email on his official senate website and was finally removed from the mail list.

jayhawxrok 6 years, 9 months ago

It's the Republicans who've been bluffing. They whine and create theater for the cameras but behind the scenes they've long been assuring their Wall St buddies that they'd never let the country default.

Reps have cared only about opposing Obama, nothing about doing what's right for the nation. It's a sad thing to have watched, once again the Reps sold out, right wing Christian extremists before, illiterate tea party followers too stupid to realize the whole movement was an invention long before Obama ever took office.

pace 6 years, 9 months ago

Skipping a credit card payment is not the same as saving money. The republicans plan to sacrifice our credit rating rather than cut the Bush tax cuts ( to honor the job creators) should be put in the courts as a clear case of fraud.

JohnBrown 6 years, 9 months ago

"After all, by what crazy calculation should Republicans allow themselves to be blamed for a debt crisis that could destabilize the economy and even precipitate a double-dip recession? "

Yes, 'why?' should the Republicans allow themselves to blamed? Well, perhaps because it was Bush and the Reps who doubled our debt from 5 Trillion$ to 10 Trillion$ in eight years, AND tanked the economy with 2 unpaid wars AND reduced tax revenues. Yes, 'Why?'.

'Why' indeed, when they can try and pin it on someone else.

No Republican posting here has dared challenge the basic, fact-free tenant that "reducing taxes grows jobs". If that were the case, then after 10 years of Bush tax cuts WHERE ARE THE JOBS???????

MyName 6 years, 9 months ago

Another day, another worthless talking points hack piece by the Kruth. "Call his bluff" is soo last month. Now you need to make a deal before the W$ money people get nervous.

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