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Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach tells House Elections Committee voter fraud is a bigger issue than thought

January 31, 2011, 9:57 a.m. Updated January 31, 2011, 12:12 p.m.


— Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach told legislators Monday that election fraud is far more widespread in the state than previously thought, but a critic of his bill on the subject sharpened her attacks over what she sees as its potential to suppress turnout among minorities.

Kobach released a report that his office has received 59 reports of alleged irregularities involving at least 221 ballots since 1997 — twice as many as documented by an internal report three years ago. And he suggested those reports represent perhaps only 10 percent of what’s actually occurred.

“It must be made clear that this report significantly understates the incidence of election fraud in Kansas,” the Republican Kobach told the House Elections Committee during its first hearing on his bill.

The measure would require voters to show photo identification at the polls, and people who register to vote for the first time in Kansas would have to provide proof of their citizenship. The bill also would increase penalties for election crimes and allow the secretary of state’s office to prosecute cases, along with the attorney general’s office and count prosecutors.

Opponents are scheduled to testify Wednesday.

Rep. Ann Mah, of Topeka, the committee’s ranking Democrat, wasn’t impressed with the new numbers from the Republican secretary of state, noting that millions of ballots have been cast since 1997. She suggested his bill would hinder voter registration drives and, after the meeting, said it would suppress many more legitimate votes than fraudulent ones.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People’s state chapter has criticized the measure, and Mah said it could hurt minority turnout, in particular. Mah, who is white, noted that all of the witnesses testifying for the bill Monday were white and said it has strong support among “nice, middle-class white folks” who don’t worry about suppressing turnout.

“Where are the people of color who support this bill?” she said after the hearing. “To those folks who know their votes are going to get thrown out, it’s a big deal.”

Kobach has repeatedly said his bill won’t suppress turnout and called Mah’s comments “outrageous.”

“Since when do Kansas legislators look at the skin color of people testifying?” he said.

Kobach, a Kansas City-area law professor on leave, already is a national figure for advising city officials and legislators in other states wanting to crack down on illegal immigration. He helped draft a law enacted in Arizona last year, empowering police to question anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally.

He’s said he wants to give Kansas the toughest laws against election fraud in the nation. Eight states require a photo ID at the polls, and Oklahoma will begin doing so come July 1, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Kobach made combatting election fraud the key issue in his successful campaign for secretary of state last year, but he faces skepticism that it represents a widespread problem. His latest report was designed to dispel doubts.

The report includes instances in which six non-citizens cast ballots in 2008 or 2009, and Kobach noted that in 2009, the secretary of state’s office discovered that 54 non-citizens were registered to vote. Seward County reported a case of a non-citizen being registered this year, and canceled the registration.

“Although most of these individuals may never vote, the fraud already has occurred,” Seward County Clerk Stacia Long, a Republican, testified.

But Mah said even if Kobach is right and roughly 2,200 ballots cast in Kansas since 1997 were fraudulent, the figure still pales in comparison to the number of votes that won’t be cast or counted if, as she contends, his bill suppresses turnout. She noted that a 1 percent drop in turnout represents more than 8,000 votes in a general election in a non-presidential year.

“You tell me, which is worse?” she said. “The numbers just don’t even line up.”

Mah also said the requirement that people show proof of citizenship when registering for the first time would hinder the efforts of groups that set up registration tables at libraries, grocery stores and other locations, or candidates who register people as they campaign door-to-door.

Kobach acknowledged there will be some changes in how voter registration drives are conducted but doesn’t see the proof-of-citizenship requirement as burdensome. He noted that the bill provides for free non-driver’s ID cards and birth certificates for Kansans who are receiving social services or have low household incomes.


thatonedude 4 years, 8 months ago

30 instances in ten years, for an entire state. We shouldn't be changing what we do, we should be writing the guidebook for other states!

tomatogrower 4 years, 8 months ago

So, I also assume you agree that there should be full disclosure of who is paying for all political ads too?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

The "secret ballot" issue in union elections is a red herring. Right now, it's very much up to the companies involved whether or not a union election can even be held. What the US Chamber of Commerce, et al, are really trying to preserve is the ability of companies to block union organizing. They couldn't care less about "secret ballots."

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

Beating people up is against the law. If someone does that, they can be arrested and tried for those activities.

But the Chamber couldn't care less about stopping such criminal activity. They're much more interested in exaggerating any such incidents to further their union busting activities.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

A book? Which book? One written by the US Chamber of Commerce, perhaps?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

Unions are certainly guilty of lots of things we'd all be better off that they hadn't done.

But they didn't develop in a vacuum. They developed as a response to the massive abuses and exploitation by employers, especially large corporations, of their employees.

Unfortunately, the US Chamber of Commerce, and the corporations that own it, would gladly return to the days of being able to abuse and exploit their employees with impunity. And over the last 30 years or so, they've been quite successful in their union-busting activities, thanks to the class warfare that's been a prime component of the Reagan Revolution.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 8 months ago

There are plenty of people on here with twisted and bizarre reasoning. Bozo deffinately makes the top 5.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

Can you be specific? And let's make it easy for you, and keep it confined to this particular thread.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

I would like your opinion on what the state should do in the following cases: 1. The voter has no money to pay for a state ID. 2. The voter is homeless and has no permanent address. 3. The voter is physically incapable of signing anything due to health issues or literacy problems. 4. The voter is physically incapable of either going to the polls (and must rely on an absentee ballot) and/or is physically incapable of going to a state motor vehicles location to obtain an ID. Understand that unless the state comes up with a plan to deal with these contingencies (and in the process spend hundreds of thousands of dollars doing so), the voter ID legislation will be automatically rejected by the US Supreme Court as unconstitutional. (There may be other grounds for exception that I have forgotten or not considered.) Any Constitutional challenge will cost this state tens of thousands of dollars (if not more) and add to the overall cost. Now, weigh the cost to the taxpayer against the benefit to the taxpayer. Thirty cases of fraud in ten years is extremely small. As one poster put it, we should be writing the guidebook for other states. It begs the question; is the cost to the state (which is broke) worth the legislation? Most people aren't unwilling to show their ID when they vote. They simply don't want to have to pay for it. Do you?

Ceallach 4 years, 8 months ago

Do you believe the government should be able to require Americans (and Visitors) to purchase health insurance? I'm thinking insurance will be more expensive than a state ID card.

Bananajoe 4 years, 8 months ago

Do we have a national healthcare crisis?.....probably yes. Do we have a voter fraud crisis in Kansas?...clearly by Kobach's own numbers... NO.

rtwngr 4 years, 8 months ago

Owning and operating an automobile is a privilege and requiring insurance if you damage someone else's vehicle is a prerequisite to exercising that privilege. My health is not a privilege and how I wish to protect it is not for the government to dictate. Next question.

libra101 4 years, 8 months ago

The founders apparently had no problem with it. And the only opinion that matters is Anthony Kennedy's.

And surely you know that low income people will qualify for a subsidy to pay for said insurance if they can't afford it. Is Gov Sam going to find money in the budget to pay for passports, birth certificates or state ids for the poor? This is related to alleged voter fraud how?

Ceallach 4 years, 8 months ago

Enforce a requirement that someone must have an identification card to receive assistance from entitlement programs and they will find a way.

deec 4 years, 8 months ago

Social security numbers are already required to receive welfare benefits.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

Social Security cards are not acceptable ID by federal law.

Katara 4 years, 8 months ago

Proof of U.S. citizenship is required as well for most benefits in KS.

overthemoon 4 years, 8 months ago

Keep elections fair....that's a nice thought. But with the Citizens United ruling by the supreme court, we have no chance at 'Fair' elections that represent the real choice of the people. It government by highest bidder, a couple of irregular votes cast per year in Kansas has NO impact on the fairness of elections. Kobach is, I believe, running this as a typical smokescreen item to keep us from seeing just how unfair elections really are in this state and around the country. And its not a problem of voter identification.

verity 4 years, 8 months ago

Exactly. My vote doesn't really mean much anyway because too many people are apparently so stupid that they vote for the person who spends the most money. It's not just the (often untraceable) money spent on elections, which I find appalling, but the fact that people don't do their research before they vote and allow themselves to be led to vote for the person who has the most name recognition or who supports their one pet issue.

Bob_Keeshan 4 years, 8 months ago

Current law keeps our elections fair.

Current law keeps our streets safe --- would you support armed checkpoints at each end of Mass Street to make downtown Lawrence safer?

Tim Quest 4 years, 8 months ago

I wouldn't, but I bet Kobach would. Especially if those armed checkpoints were staffed by Brownshirts.

ivalueamerica 4 years, 8 months ago

Yet, every study ever made suggests the Kobach style reforms disenfranchises legitimate voters, mostly low income and minority voters.

So you are suggesting efforts that will keep Americans from voting is good for America.

I wonder where you were with your pro-America vote crusade when Mr. Deibold, who supplies the election machines for Ohio among other states, was also Bush campaign manager for the State of Ohio and promised the nation to deliver Ohio for Bush, NO MATTER WHAT, and then Bush one with the greatest record of machine malfunction and miscounts in US History.

Worldtourphoto 4 years, 8 months ago

If we are looking for full disclosure, I humbly suggest we start with identification of funds from out of state organizations, spent to defeat candidates.

Ralph Reed 4 years, 8 months ago

I thought I hid it well enough Paul. I guess I'll have to move it now. How about here?

Fossick 4 years, 8 months ago

Exactly. But it does get the troops fired up on both sides, and so it serves its purpose, I suppose.

My concern is that Kobach has three legislative sessions left after this one. What in the world could he possibly come up with that could bring draw forth the raw emotion of this debate while amounting to so absolutely little once implemented?

tomatogrower 4 years, 8 months ago

The economy is burning and Kobach and our legislature is playing violins.

SDTPlant 4 years, 8 months ago


You should be more concerned about the validity and reason in your statement rather than the spelling of KK's name. We have fair and balanced elections. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." One and done for this klown.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

"We do not have fair and balanced elections, it is broken, just like our borders are broken."

Yes, it is broken. But voter ID's won't fix it, because voter fraud is not what's broken it. (how could it, since it really doesn't exist.)

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

BloodBot, try not to be too insulting. You're getting a smidge borderline when you mess with people's names and in the process call someone an unacceptable name (although I'm sure you will use the excuse that you "mistyped". Yeah. Right. I believe that like I believe in "voter fraud".)

Kontum1972 4 years, 8 months ago

during the last election i went to when i provided my kansas drivers liscense..that wasnt good enough for them, so i pulled out my DoD card and showed that too them,,that still wasnt enough so i pulled out my birth certificate.....and i was hoping they wouldnt want a fecal smear....but i finally got to vote..and they gave me a cookie.....what a crock...!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

What's the point? The only thing he can say is that voter fraud isn't a problem. Otherwise, he's just lying.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

So he chose to just lie.

Is false testimony before the legislature an act of perjury?

deec 4 years, 8 months ago

I wonder if he parade out more "dead" voters like that poor guy in Wichita?

camper 4 years, 8 months ago

"An internal memo from the secretary of state's office in 2008 listed 30 reports of alleged irregularities dating to 1998."

Wow, this is about 2 per year. Two key words "alleged" and "irregularities". Alleged implies that it is possible, and irregularity does not equate fraud. I can imagine that some of the irregularites were examples of people with common names ie John Smith, John Smith Jr. etc. Or people who moved recently and did not know where their booth was.

If one wanted to look for fraud, you could look to the campaign offices where robo calls were advising people to vote.....on the wrong day. Nice.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

Yes, but Kobach would counter that since we can never know the true extent of voter fraud (those fraudulent voters are all communists, and therefore sneaky you-know-whats,) we have to assume that it's rampant, and therefore ripe for his demagoguery.

gudpoynt 4 years, 8 months ago

yeah, seriously, whatever became of that investigation? Is that one of the 3/year they mention?

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

Autie, the only prairie squid attacks we need to worry about come out of the Topeka statehouse.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

This is also not voter fraud-- it's vote-counting fraud, and voter ID's will do nothing to counter it. While there are indications that both the Democrats and Republicans have taken part in it, it's the Republicans who appear to be making it a major part of their electoral strategy.

deec 4 years, 8 months ago

Will the local bouncers and bartenders teach classes in recognizing fake i.d.'s to the ladies who staff the polls?

Bob Forer 4 years, 8 months ago

221 possibly questionable ballots in 13 years. Thats an average of 17 a year. Can someone please explain to me where the problem is that requires passing a new and potentially burdensome law.

parrothead8 4 years, 8 months ago

1997 - 2010 covers 14 elections, so it's actually 15.8 questionable ballots per year. My word, somebody do something about this huge problem sweeping our state. I hope legislators spend a lot of time and money making sure some kind of law gets passed so those 15.8 hooligans can't destroy our electoral process each year.

irvan moore 4 years, 8 months ago

so that's how kobach got electe, voter fraud?

overthemoon 4 years, 8 months ago

If you're interested in the bio of Kobach and his ardent adherence to radical immigration reform, this is a good read. He has been closely involved with FAIR, the Federation for American Immigration Reform, an organization that has been on record as fighting to preserve the absolute majority for people of Anglo/European descent. While that sort of language has been scrubbed from current FAIR websites, that mission is still the underpinning of all efforts from FAIR and its affiliates to 'fix' voter fraud, stop all immigration (from anywhere) in the US, and to raise money for like minded candidates.

Keith 4 years, 8 months ago

It's obvious we have rampant voter fraud in Kansas, how else do you explain the overwhelming republican presence in both chambers of the legislature and the governors office. Isn't that the conclusion we should reach from Kobach's premise?

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

So does that mean all of the voter fraud happened here in Lawrence/Douglas county since we all would obviously vote for the Dems? I mean, I'm confused. If there's all of this "voter fraud" in Kansas then why do we have a full Republican Legislature and Governor? Please explain it to me, BloodBot. Inquiring minds want to know.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

So where's the voter fraud? And how did it effect any election?

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

Facts about "voter fraud"??? Are you insane?? What's next, using a cannon on a housefly instead of a flyswatter?

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

The LJWorld isn't the only paper in this state I read online. I also read the papers from Wichita, Salina and Hays. I think what gets to me is their boards read very similarly to ours; about 1.5-2 to 1 in favor of the left over the right. If this is the case, where are all of these Republican votes coming from? Maybe we do have a voter fraud problem and just don't know it! Or is it just that the left in this state is more technologically savvy (read "smarter") than the right.

deec 4 years, 8 months ago

I lived in Hays from 2006-2010, and it is much more liberal than one would suppose. I guess its all those darn educated-college types that skew the hardworking conservative demographic, though, so...never mind. Perhaps we can help those other hardworking farmer types by cutting off their farm subsidies. We wouldn't want them to turn into dependent liberals feeding at the government trough. End sarcasm

overthemoon 4 years, 8 months ago

If someone were to look at the LJW forums, they'd come to the conclusion that Lawrence is populated predominantly by a bunch of right wing Fox Party sycophants.

overthemoon 4 years, 8 months ago

I am getting so very weary of the 'hardworking conservative American' label that seems to imply that only conservatives are hardworking, and only they are Americans.

overthemoon 4 years, 8 months ago

I am a moderate liberal. I am hardworking. I am an American. I know and respect the U.S. Constitution. (Capital 'C') And I am realistic about this country, recognizing both its strengths and its faults. Without acknowledging where we have gone wrong we can never improve. Your attempt to define the 'other' by worn out cliches does nothing to strengthen our country, our state or our community.

overthemoon 4 years, 8 months ago

Just a little while on my part. And please quit with the snide over-generalizations. We are, as Americans, a diverse and rich population. That is the greatness of this country. To constantly demean and ridicule anything that is slightly different from yourself is, in fact, very un American.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

And that is why Kansas has an all Republican legislature and governor, huh Tom? Voter fraud? Or is this your usual "Blahblahblah Republicans good.", "Blahblahblah Democrats bad." spiel?

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

No hon. It's "Oh noes!" Gotta get yer cat macros right :) Which brings up a question. Is Tom Basement Cat in disguise posting from behind a fake ID?

Alyosha 4 years, 8 months ago

I agree, as one commenter put it: we should be teaching other states how to have fair and valid elections, since we have so very, very little actual cases of voting fraud.

Given that there is no real problem, Kobach's policy changes likely have another goal. And that goal is to keep the number of people he thinks will vote for Democrats to find it more difficult to vote.

Kansans, you are witnessing a government official pulling the wool over your eyes. A classic bait and switch.

tolawdjk 4 years, 8 months ago

Only because he's the only part of the State govt. that appears to be doing anything right now.

eaglar 4 years, 8 months ago

I believe the issue may not be voter fraud, but rather registration fraud, which rarely, if ever turns into voter fraud. It's a non-issue and the Sectretary of State should get busy with other business. He's wasting my dime.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

Good luck with that eaglar! If he wasn't wasting your dime over this non issue he'd be wasting it over some other non issue that got him a ton of press.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

I dunno. Why did you change your name to Tom Shewmon?

windjammer 4 years, 8 months ago

Because his democratic wife told him that be the right thing to do.

deec 4 years, 8 months ago

And threatened yo cut off his allowance.

camper 4 years, 8 months ago

At best, and if you take him at his word, the voter irregularities (not even going as far as fraud, another leap of assumption) one would wonder how the miniscule #'s have even become an issue. This is a case of a politician who cannot view things in scale. You gotta go after the bigger fish to frie. Voter fraud is not even a minnow or a tadpole.

In my experience, one should not encourage those who cannot see things in scale. They are micromanagers and are harmful to all organizations, even corporations. They cannot see the forest for the trees.

At worst, Kobach has another agenda.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

Even if the fraud were 20 times as great as the numbers he throws out, it still wouldn't be enough to affect the outcomes of elections.

He's still just throwing poo at the walls, and his supporters aren't smart enough to do anything but admire its texture.

camper 4 years, 8 months ago

Kobach just does not make sense. You gotta watch out for people who propose spending resources and effort on non-existent problems.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

"Have you any knowledge of them lying?"

He lied in the testimony described in this article.

Shelley Bock 4 years, 8 months ago

So, to use your logic, BloodBot, have you met everyone in Lawrence who you accuse of being a "non-hard working, un American who happens to live in Lawrence? I think 99% of those people are reputable and would be very honest with you.

I believe that by living in Lawrence, I'm surrounded by the sanest people in the state. I also realize that I'm out-of-step with most others, but I wish them the best of luck. Will their elected officials maintain their farm subsidies? Why should businesses receive such help? I bet they haven't realized that's on the Tea Baggers' hit list.

Voter fraud in Kansas is a trumped up issue. What percentage of total votes are questionable? What's the amount of time and resources expended on "controlling" voter fraud. In my opinion, a waste of resources.

As an aside, recently spoke with a daughter's boyfriend. Hadn't realized until recently that he was here in US on a resident's visa. He received his citizenship in December. Asked him about voting. "Haven't ever voted in the US, but now I can." He played by the rules, and so has the rest of his family who now lives here. He sees the "voter fraud" issue as totally bogus and likely to make him a life long Democrat. Thank you Kobach, you saved me a lot of convincing. Oh, and by the way, he's working at a good job and pays his taxes.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

For non-citizens, committing a criminal act, which is what their voting would be, is a fast ticket out of the country. And if you are an "illegal" immigrant, that's doubly true.

There is already substantial disincentive, and zero incentive, for non-citizens to vote, and equally substantial safeguards to keep it that way.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

Hey! It's the Back Brothers! And they're in bed with the Koch Brothers! Oh wait. This state doesn't like gay people.

deec 4 years, 8 months ago

Well Kobach lied about the dead guy in Wichita, for starters.

Scott Morgan 4 years, 8 months ago

How many illegal votes were not caught?

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

I dunno. How many tigers were kept away by you snapping your fingers?

Scott Morgan 4 years, 8 months ago

Did we look for illegal voters? Can't we just be like progressive Canada regarding voting regulations?

tomatogrower 4 years, 8 months ago

If this bill passes, I will help organize a group to make sure that anyone who will have problems affording their birth certificate and a KS ID get what they need. And I will do the same for Republicans, Democrats, and Independents alike. Kobach isn't going to cage any votes in this state.

And when I vote I will say "Sieg Heil Kobach", as I present my id. My apologies in advance to the poll workers who probably are insulted by this whole issue, since Kobach is accusing them of not doing their job.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

If this bill passes, unless they make the provisions for the situations I listed above, it will never make it past SCOTUS.

kernal 4 years, 8 months ago

I'd sure like to see an annual accounting of how much he's costing Kansas taxpayers with his personal agendas during his current term.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

Just wanted to let y'all know, it's been a grey and dreary day, waiting for the snow to move in. Thank you for giving me such an entertaining time as I've sat here pretty much housebound. Some of you have given me quite the laughs so far. Between the circular logic and the witty repartee I've had a good time gad flying around. Yes, this is a serious subject, but even Ben Franklin wasn't averse to the occasional humorous quip. I honestly don't see any threat from Kobach. He's a two bit politician seizing his 15 minutes of fame. He might be able to ram this through the Kansas legislature but I have trust that the US Supreme Court will slap him back to the swamp he crawled out of. Every piece of legislation he's crafted so far on immigration is under SCOTUS review. In the meantime, he's just going to force the state to spend money it doesn't have to defend it. Maybe, just maybe, there are enough actual fiscal conservatives in the statehouse to put the brakes on him. But then there's this strange "Keeping up with the Jones's" mentality there. Y'know we just can't have Arizona or Oklahoma or Texas out conservative us with their crazy legislation. Never mind that those states have even bigger deficits than we do.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

Actually, at this point Texas is the most deep in debt. I suggest you look up the numbers. Oh and don't forget your buddy Tom Shewmon. He's a househusband who lives off of his wife. hahahahahahahaha

tomatogrower 4 years, 8 months ago

Hmm, BornAgain, didn't Reagan leave the state of California in debt, and now the Republican Arnold S. has left it in debt. And now they have Jerry Brown. You know, the guy who lives within his means? You know, that pesky Democrat who cleans up Republican deficits? Those darn libs.

pace 4 years, 8 months ago

Now it is prove your citizenship, how? That band of brothers who are formulating this law also don't accept birth certificates as proof. What do we d?. Ask for papers from a committee, then show the papers to the authorities when we want to exercise our rights, vote, own property?

This law is not about voter fraud,

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

Chow us your paperzzz. Vee must haf zee paperzzz!!

tomatogrower 4 years, 8 months ago

Hmm. I ordered a copy of my birth certificate 40 some years ago to get my drivers license. I'm not sure if I can find it now, and if I could, it would be in poor shape. If I have to order another one, I'm sending a bill to Kobach. Who's with me? Everyone who has to order their birth certificate send a bill to Kobach for your expenses. Be nice, and send him a stamped envelope. Of course, they don't accept the president's birth certificate, so they probably won't accept mine, since it will be a copy, just like any certificate of live birth. And I wonder how many birth certificates will get "lost" by the state?
Hey, Kobach, your name sounds too German. I want to see his original birth certificate, not some fake copy. I'll bet he was born in Germany, and isn't a citizen at all. Prove you're a citizen, Kobach!

mysterytrain 4 years, 8 months ago

Kobach is interested in getting to Washington - he doesn't care about KS. I hope he never makes it there as his xenophobia is not what real America is about. Methinks he dost protest too much, as the issue rides with current tides and he is using it as a stepping stone to higher office. cait48 has it right.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

I posted this above, but it bears repeating--

For non-citizens, committing a criminal act, which is what their voting would be, is a fast ticket out of the country. And if you are an "illegal" immigrant, that's doubly true.

There is already substantial disincentive, and zero incentive, for non-citizens to vote, and equally substantial safeguards to keep it that way.

pace 4 years, 8 months ago

As I said, this bill is not about voting fraud. Anyone who doesn't agree with BloodBot and the brotherhood, anyone who does not want everyone to prove their citizenship is guilty. Boy o boy. And the brotherhood will decide what proves citizenship and who will be citizens. Not enough to be born in this country, not enough to be born of citizens, now it is time to put up hoops, anyone who speaks against us is guilty. Guilty of what, telling the brother hood to mind their own business?

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

I just bet you almost cry wishing that Kansas was a "border state". (Well we were 150 years ago but that's a totally different thing.) Poor 'Bot, it just isn't exciting enough here for you is it? There, there. Maybe someday you can move to Arizona and use your concealed carry semi-automatic.

overthemoon 4 years, 8 months ago

I think Bot needs a little vacation from Beck, Limbaugh and Fox News. They've got him where they want him, poor guy.

tomatogrower 4 years, 8 months ago

Chill, Bot. If all the illegals in Kansas are voting, they must have supported Koback, your hero. What's your beef? Or did he win, because you and your buddies voted more than once?

dabbindan 4 years, 8 months ago

i would bet the majority of those instances of voter fraud involved already registered voters. care to answer that one mr kobach?

Raiden 4 years, 8 months ago

Kobach is the worst sort of liar; the sort who builds his political rationalization on the backs of the disenfranchised while pandering to his neo-Brownshirt fan club. This is probably the tip of the iceberg for Kansas. Now that we've gone from red to crimson there's no telling how bad it will get before Brownback announces his bid for 2012 Presidential race...that's all he cares about....Kansans be damned.

Jonathan Becker 4 years, 8 months ago

I work in my local precinct and I have lived in the neighborhood for 25 years. And I am the newbie in the precinct. The other two people have been in the neighborhood for 38 and 45 years . Collectively, we have over 100 years of experience in the neighborhood. We know everyone on the rolls by sight! How would we be helped by photo ID? Kobach is a waste of time and money.

tomatogrower 4 years, 8 months ago

You better believe it won't hurt. We'll make sure of that. Also, I want proof of Kobach's citizenship. How do I know he's not German? His name sounds pretty suspicious to me. Where's his birth certificate? Did he fake it?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

They certainly don't help turn out, either. And while voter fraud is largely a non-existent problem, voter apathy is very big problem, and keeping voter turnout low, anyway they can, has been a major component of Republican electoral strategy for many years. This is merely one of their techniques.

irvan moore 4 years, 8 months ago

has the secretary of state offered any cost figures on implementing his plan? i'm not sure if he is aware we don't have any money for the services we offer now so it might be tough finding more.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

The only evidence he's provided so far indicate pretty clearly that his proposed new laws are pointless.

But it will be interesting how this gets handled once they start figuring out how to pay for it.

Don't be surprised if they attempt to pay for it with a poll tax just to test out how judicially active the conservatives on the US Supreme Court have become.

tomatogrower 4 years, 8 months ago

What costs to the government? We are all going to send him the bill. He's making a lot of money from states like Arizona. He can afford it.

Randall Uhrich 4 years, 8 months ago

What's Kobach going to do about all the elephants loose on the Turnpike? That situation's getting out of hand!

zzgoeb 4 years, 8 months ago

mmm...Kobach; is that American Indian? Oh, no, it European. The tribes have voted Kris, and you are off the CONTINENT!!!!

rtwngr 4 years, 8 months ago

Republicans are good and Democrats are bad. Fraud is bad too. Democrats = Fraud. Makes perfect sense to me.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 8 months ago

"Republicans are good and Democrats are bad." Tom sharing his KoolAid this morning?

weeslicket 4 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Koback stated: “Since when do Kansas legislators look at the skin color of people testifying?”

snort. cough. gag. cough. ack. ack. (hairball)

Jimo 4 years, 8 months ago

Kobach: indeed, I've DOUBLED my estimates from two instances of fraud to four!! Obviously, the Legislature must authorize a police state.

unite2revolt 4 years, 8 months ago

The fact that his bill provides for free non-driver IDs is interesting, considering the State currently charges $22.00 a piece, and I think they have be renewed every 7 years. That seems like it might add up, when you think of all the folks out there that need State IDs for things other than voting.

tomatogrower 4 years, 8 months ago

Has Kobach proved his citizenship? You know a lot of former Nazis escaped and moved to the US after the war. How do we know his parents weren't among these? Is he an anchor baby? How do we know he wasn't born in Germany? He has a copy of his birth certificate? They can be faked you know. We want Wisconsin's governor to show the real copy. Why is it being withheld? These are legitimate questions. I think that Kobach is an illegal from Germany. It think I'll start an email campaign.

This is so entertaining on a boring snow day, don't you think? I mean, I'm too old for the cold, and would probably break a hip sledding. I think it's more fun to start a rumor about Kobach. Who's with me?

Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

Kobach is paranoid. He should seek a new job that taxpayers are NOT responsible for paying.

verity 4 years, 8 months ago

I don't have a problem with voters having some form of ID---in another state I had to present my voter registration card and was surprised when I didn't have to in Kansas. On the other hand, I don't really think the fear of fraud is what this is all about.

One of the two biggest problems I see in our elections is the small number of people who bother to vote. Other countries (Iraq comes to mind) where people are sometimes in actual danger of their lives have a much higher percentage turnout than the U.S. does. We do not have democracy by the majority because so few vote. We have a right/privilege and usually all we have to do is walk or drive a few blocks and yet so many don't bother.

I have an idea to solve the voter fraud problem much more cheaply---I think it's sometimes used in third world countries. Have an ink pad with indelible ink and make everyone who votes stick their finger on it. It'll wear off by the next election. Then we can also poke fun at the people who haven't voted.

By the way, Australia has compulsory voting. How about we pass a law requiring everyone to vote?

Oh, and the second problem I see is voters not educating themselves.

And the real fraud in our elections is misrepresentation and outright lies by the candidates and their backers.

jayhawklawrence 4 years, 8 months ago

I used to live in California and getting an illegal ID was a profitable street corner business there. They practically had signs up advertising it.

If someone is determined to cast an illegal vote, it is hard for me to see how we can stop them with a drivers license check.

I just think Kobach has let his mouth get the better of him. One crazy idea is just leading to a crazier idea and in the end, this is going to cost Kansans hundreds of thousands of dollars and our status among the states is going to continue to decline.

All this for a few dozen illegal votes that statistically are completely meaningless and in most cases were probably mistakes.

Kobach is like a vacuum cleaner salesman with his foot in your door and my answer is, "no, I don't want your stupid product nor do I need a demonstration."

weeslicket 4 years, 8 months ago

tomatogrower says: Has Kobach proved his citizenship?

that's a really good question. i've commented on this question before in this forum. think about this problem: how can YOU, PROVE that you are a citizen?

how does one prove this fact in the world we live in?

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