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Southern Poverty Law Center criticizes Kobach’s proposals on illegal immigration

January 30, 2011

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— As Secretary of State Kris Kobach tries to put in place more rules before a Kansan can vote, his associations are being highlighted by critics of his effort.

The Southern Poverty Law Center earlier this month released a report focusing on Kobach’s legal and advocacy work to pass measures in cities and states that Kobach says are designed to combat illegal immigration.

But the law center, a nonprofit civil rights group based in Birmingham, Ala., says his proposals are misguided, have led to expensive legal challenges and have stirred up racial tensions.

“Behind all of this stands one man: Kris Kobach, a former Kansas City law professor who was just elected Kansas secretary of state,” the report says.

Kobach has been legal counsel to the Immigration Reform Law Institute, which is the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

The Southern Poverty Law Center says FAIR is a racist organization. The center’s report on Kobach describes the Republican as a political opportunist, comparing him to the character of con man Harold Hill in the musical “The Music Man.”

“Like Hill, they say, Kobach comes to town with big ideas and a can-do attitude but leaves behind a trail of tears — huge legal bills and unworkable laws coupled with social turmoil,” the report said.

Kobach called the report a hit piece.

“The Southern Poverty Law Center has been saying negative things about me for a long time,” Kobach said. He said the group has “basically become a left-wing smear organization.”

Under his voting bill, Kansans would need a photo ID to vote. New voters would have to prove they are citizens to register to vote. Penalties for violating election laws would be increased, and Kobach would have more powers to prosecute allegations of election fraud. Kobach says the changes are necessary to ensure Kansas elections are free of improprieties.

Democrats oppose the legislation and say they are alarmed by Kobach’s “power grab.”

“I would seriously question giving Kris Kobach prosecution power, and wonder if he would be able to use those objectively. He is a partisan Republican,” said Senate Democratic Leader Anthony Hensley of Topeka. Kobach once served as chairman of the Kansas Republican Party.

During that time, Kobach said in a newsletter to state Republicans, “To date, the Kansas GOP has identified and caged more voters in the last 11 months than the previous two years.”

Voter caging is a term that often refers to voter suppression efforts, but at the time Kansas Republican Party officials said Kobach’s use of the term meant the party was trying to identify voters and their views on certain issues.

But the Kansas chapter of the NAACP hasn’t forgotten the incident. In a recent news release, the group said Kobach’s new bill would “institutionalize vote caging” by forcing voters to produce multiple documents that the secretary of state’s office could then scrutinize in search of irregularities.

Kobach says his proposal to increase the office’s prosecutorial authority is necessary because local prosecutors, dealing with limited resources, often don’t pursue complaints of voting irregularities.

Comments

Mike1949 3 years, 10 months ago

Here is my question. Why would Kansas give the Secretary of State legal powers to take action on anything? Is the office in the wrong part of the government to prosecute anyone? The office can turn their information over to the Attorney General, and it will be up to him whether to do anything that requires an attorney. Kris Kobach is grabbing for powers that are not within the Kansas Constitution.

I am also thinking how I would prove that I am a American born. I am not even sure where my birth certificate is and the hospital that I was born in burned down years ago! I would get a note from my mother, but she is dead!

rkeefe57 3 years, 10 months ago

"The Southern Poverty Law Center says FAIR is a racist organization."

Always a hoot to hear the SPLC accusing others of being a racist organization. In his 1991 autobiography, "A Season for Justice," SPLC founder Morris Dees waxes sentimental about his days as "Youth Coordinator" for Gov. George "Segregation Forever!" Wallace and his skills as a highly paid Klan lawyer in Montgomery.

http://wp.me/pCLYZ-F

The most ironic (read: “hypocritical”) thing about the Southern Poverty Law Center is that NOT ONE of its top ten, highest paid executives is a minority, and certainly not an immigrant.

http://wp.me/pCLYZ-67

In fact, according to the SPLC’s hometown newspaper, the Montgomery Advertiser, despite being located LITERALLY in the back yard of Dr. Martin Luther King’s home church, the SPLC has NEVER hired a person of color to a highly paid position of power.

Some “experts”

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

"The center’s report on Kobach describes the Republican as a political opportunist, comparing him to the character of con man Harold Hill in the musical “The Music Man.”

“Like Hill, they say, Kobach comes to town with big ideas and a can-do attitude but leaves behind a trail of tears — huge legal bills and unworkable laws coupled with social turmoil,” the report said."

Well, regardless of whether you like the SPLC, the above characterization is pretty accurate, and shooting the messenger, as rkeefe attempts to do, doesn't change its accuracy.

Scott Kaiser 3 years, 10 months ago

Quote; "The Southern Poverty Law Center says FAIR is a racist organization."

Generally, the outfits that cry "racism" first and/or loudest/most are the ones themselves guilty.

ivalueamerica 3 years, 10 months ago

Uhmm, fair actually funds white supremecist groups who study Eugenics. Why on God´s green earth do you have a problem with calling them racist?

Just because they also support the Minutemen vigelantes?

Well, what else do you want to reveal about how you think? Please, keep posting.

Scott Kaiser 3 years, 10 months ago

Quote: "Uhmm, fair actually funds white supremecist groups who study Eugenics. Why on God´s green earth do you have a problem with calling them racist?

Just because they also support the Minutemen vigelantes?"

Show proof of your "claims" or be recognized for what you are.

ivalueamerica 3 years, 10 months ago

While I do not really consider wikipedia a source, in this case, every connection to FAIR and the Pioneer fund is cited.

Scott Kaiser 3 years, 10 months ago

I agree about Wikipedia. Are there no other references? Such bold revelations must surely have other sources of coverage.

Scott Kaiser 3 years, 10 months ago

You are correct; I was supplying sufficient rope....

ivalueamerica 3 years, 10 months ago

you did not bother to read, or ignored things selectively, there is a valid relation between FAIR and the Pioneer Fund, they have common board members and help each other regularly on campaigns, like CA prop 187, for example.

The link is clear, chose to believe what you want.

jmadison 3 years, 10 months ago

The tax statement of the SPLLC filed in 2010 to the IRS indicates net assets of $200 million dollars, their top two leaders are both paid over $340,000 per year, and they have an offshore bank account in the Cayman Islands(why would a non-profit need such an account). http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2010/11/southern-poverty-law-centers-cayman.html

oldvet 3 years, 10 months ago

SPLC never met a minority they thought might be guilty...

ivalueamerica 3 years, 10 months ago

Well, considering that they have several Black Seperatist and Latino Seperatist organizations on their hate list, I would say your accusations are foundless, you are just making them up.

bzzzt, try again...maybe try to find a random attack that can not be proved a lie.

ignati5 3 years, 10 months ago

The SPLC may be called a "left wing smear organization" in the same sense that the NRA has been termed by some an organization advocating violence to persons. Both are adamant in their defense of the Bill of Rights, although each emphasizes different amendments; both brand opponents of their causes by name; both inspire the fear and loathing of their opponents. The NRA has a much wider national membership and funds candidates, whereas the SPLC is an elitist collective of lawyers. It is unfair, howerver, to denounce either as falling outside the bounds of legitimate political discourse, although each may merit some criticism for misrepresenting their opponents' positions. Mr. Kobach's policies deserve criticism short of branding his organization as "racist." although I do believe the Harold Hill analogy is an apt one. As he seems to have misrepresented his contributions to the Arizona immigration law and exaggerated his national influence, he remains a problem mostly for Kansans to deal with.

kugrad 3 years, 10 months ago

When people attach the Southern Poverty Law Center, you know you are leaving the realm of reasonableness and rational thought and entering the realm of propaganda and delusion.

Jeff Cuttell 3 years, 10 months ago

Why do the Right Wingers always seam to be breaking the law or try to change it to suit them?

raw 3 years, 10 months ago

I don't believe the right to vote is particularly left wing.

Scott Morgan 3 years, 10 months ago

Perhaps we should become progressive and use Canadian law as a blueprint.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

" Where's the balance and objective reporting?"

You don't want "objective reporting." You want a parroting of the hysteria you find on all your favorite wingnut websites.

WilburNether 3 years, 10 months ago

Thank you for displaying the level of intelligence that can be expected of people who hold your POV.

goodcountrypeople 3 years, 10 months ago

I second that, but don't know if so tactfully.

WilburNether 3 years, 10 months ago

The SPLC is a left-wing organization, so it is hardly surprising that the LJW's house Democrat reporter would turn to them for a "news story."

Mike Ford 3 years, 10 months ago

let's see the SPLC helped the african american mother of a son hanged by young recruits of the KKK in Mobile, AL sue the KKK nearly out of existence in the late 1970's-early 1980's. I grew up in Lake Charles and Shreveport, LA at that time and had family near Mobile. It's nice to see that none of the deniers have any sense or knowledge of recent history. Congrats, you fit the demographic that the TPer's and the GOP want. Like Haley Barbour and his bad accent you all can try to imagine your sins of omission away, but I'm more than obliged to remind you of them. It's scary to see that fascist smile of Mr. Kobach in his press picture. It takes me back to World War Two pictures of Germany for Germans and Poland for Poles. No is thinking Kansas for Kansans because of Mr. Kobach at all. No one....

rkeefe57 3 years, 10 months ago

"let's see the SPLC helped the african american mother of a son hanged by young recruits of the KKK in Mobile, AL sue the KKK nearly out of existence..."

Yes, the SPLC loves to crow about the murder of Michael Donald and "bringing the Klan to its knees" in their fund-raising propaganda, but when you look at the actual facts you come up with an entirely different story.

http://wp.me/pCLYZ-14

Fact 1: In 1981, two thugs from the United Klans of America (UKA) were upset when a black man was acquitted of charges he murdered a white police officer. In revenge, they set out to kill the first black man they saw. That unfortunate man was Michael Donald.

Fact 2: The Klan thugs saw Michael Donald walking home from the corner store. They stopped him and enticed him into their car. They drove Donald to a secluded area and beat him to death and hung his corpse from a tree. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Donald was long dead before they hung his body from the tree, so he was not "hanged" and he was not "lynched."

Fact 3: James Knowles and Henry Hays were arrested, tried and convicted of the murder of Michael Donald. Knowles got a life sentence and Hays got the death penalty.

The SPLC played NO PART in these proceedings.

Fact 4: After Hays and Knowles were tried and convicted, and rightly so, the SPLC's Morris Dees came up with the innovative idea that the UKA might be just as liable for the actions of its members as a corporation would be for the actions of its employees.

Dees filed a CIVIL law suit against the UKA and won a $7 million dollar settlement.

Fact 5: During the course of the trial, Morris Dees sent out tens of thousands of fund-raising letters featuring a photo of Michael Donald's bloated corpse. While the jury in the trial had every right to see that photo, what right did Dees' donors have? They played no part in the final outcome.

Morris Dees and his associates were already on the SPLC payroll so their fees were not an issue. Actual court costs in any municipality, especially in a rural state like Alabama would have run to no more than a few thousand dollars, tops, well within the SPLC's annual budget.

Fact 6: In a November 2000 article for the left-leaning Harper's Magazine, investigative reporter Ken Silverstein states that Dees' exploitation of Michael Donald's corpse brought in over $11 million donor-dollars for the SPLC.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2000/11/0068709

Obviously, the UKA had nothing even close to the $7 million dollars stipulated in the court finding, so all Michael Donald's mother received was a UKA barn, which she later sold for $52,000 dollars.

Beulah Mae Donald never saw ONE red cent of the $11 million Morris Dees made off her son's murder.

Fact 7: Not one additional member of the UKA was arrested or imprisoned due to the SPLC's civil case. All they had to do was find another place to put their stuff.

If this is being "sued out of existence," it ain't so much.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

Go figure that the only thing that Tom knows about La Raza is what Glenn Beck tells him.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

A massaging of statistics by this wingnut site doesn't support your contention that La Raza is racist.

tomatogrower 3 years, 10 months ago

Tom, anyone, even you may join La Raza, so how are they racists? Any evidence?

ivalueamerica 3 years, 10 months ago

Tom is, as always, totally confused and slightly less than honest.

The problem with La Raza is NOTHING they have done, but another organization that is very racist, MECHA. Mecha is under investigation by the SPLC (wonder why Tom for got to mention that) and Mecha did, once, 20 years ago, give a big check to La Raza that for some reason I still do not understand, La Raza accepted, and that was a terrible mistake.

However, anything that can actually be pointed to by racist was done my MECHA, not La Raza.

Tome is trying to divert attention from the facts and hence, once again reveals motives that are not honorable nor honest.

konzahawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Keep up the good fight, Kris. When this joke of an "organization" starts their attack, you know you must be on the right track.

blindrabbit 3 years, 10 months ago

Seig Heil, Herr Kobach; first voter outings, maybe next BrownShirts, Krystalnacht, Bookburning, Long Knives, pure Aryans and racial cleansing. Suggest you get Herr Beck to be your spokesman. Auf Widersehen!!

Scott Kaiser 3 years, 10 months ago

First we have an accusation of racism in the article, then some maroon throws in a nazi reference. {shakes head}No real original thoughts here, move along...

BigPrune 3 years, 10 months ago

The Southern Poverty Law Center's biggest contributor is George Soros. So much for being impartial.

Mike Ford 3 years, 10 months ago

I have a day job, what about you Tom Shewmon? it would seem that Walter Mitty would better fit a person that posts throughout the day. Keep up your infomercial gig. Maybe someday you wil be hawking something on the Knology cable system when all of the regular programming ends. It's nice to know that like true conservative bloggers you ignore the hit and score and change the subject. Not cowardly at all, not at all.

Katara 3 years, 10 months ago

You have a perfect opportunity there, TomShewmon. While you are in Hawaii (and in between your sips), why don't you locate President Obama's original birth certificate and clear up the controversy once and for all. Be sure to send a postcard and let us all know.

Katara 3 years, 10 months ago

I think a pair of Depends would probably take care of that feeling you get up and down your legs.

mauka 3 years, 10 months ago

Fantastic, they will love you here. Be sure and tell anyone who will listen what you think of Obama. If you're real lucky you might talk to the one Republican in the legislature.

Acually as a mainlander rest assured you will be served "special" mai tai's.

Enjoy!

Ralph Reed 3 years, 10 months ago

It strikes me that if Kobach calls the SPLC report on FAIR a hit piece and says also that the SPLC has been saying negative things about him for a long time, then he should counter what they said and not attack the SPLC. His attacking the organization without countering they report lends credence to what they said.

From a 20 Jan 2011 Newsweek article (http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/30/america-s-deporter-in-chief.html). "From a base in Kansas, where he is the newly seated secretary of state, Kobach will help Arizona defend his laws against all comers." "He’ll also counsel a dozen or so states that are considering copycat laws and a coordinated assault on birthright citizenship. And he’ll litigate at least four ongoing immigration-related cases..." How can he devote his full time to the duties of the Kansas Secretary of State when he's using that position as a base to counsel and advise other states? He's not devoting his full time to the Kansas Secretary of State position. In other words, the people of Kansas elected him so he could have a secure salary when working for other states.

From a description of FAIR (found here, http://www.newcomm.org/pdf/CNC-FAIR.pdf), John Tanton, the original founder of FAIR, supports white supremacist groups, anti-Semitic groups and is in favor of passive eugenics. His influence permeates FAIR's policies and, if you look, that influence is racist at it's core. So, the SPLC is probably correct in calling FAIR racist based on their core beliefs and policies.

FAIR's being a racist organization and Kobach's being the "deporter -in-chief" are fair assumptions. His attacking the SPLC is understandable given the way he counters arguments in the article, 'attack the person (SPLC) not the argument.' I believe this is ad hominem. If Kobach says the SPLC has been saying negative things about him for a long time, then perhaps they're correct. Especially in light of the fact he's an adviser to the legal arm of FAIR and thus supposedly supports their core beliefs.

I think it's a legitimate call on the part of the SPLC.

tomatogrower 3 years, 10 months ago

Agreed. there is a lot of evidence that FAIR is a racist organization, yet the new tactic is just to call them racists, or to call other groups racists, without presenting any evidence of their racism. It throws people off the real topic. Is FAIR a racist organization? Does Kobach adhere to their believes, or does he just see an opportunity to make himself rich, without really producing anything? Isn't that the religion of the US now? Money for nothing, and your chicks for free?

Ralph Reed 3 years, 10 months ago

Did you counter what was said? Come back when you're able to do that.

mr_right_wing 3 years, 10 months ago

Please show me some proof that the SPLC is not a completely partisan organization. When have they ever criticized a democrat and/or liberal?

I'm pretty sure I already know the answer, but maybe someone has some legitimate proof otherwise ('legitimate' automatically disqualified 'wikipedia'.)

President Reagan granted amnesty in 1986, but I'm sure they trashed him despite that.

To most on the left (I didn't say all) any kind of boarder enforcement is 'racist'.

tomatogrower 3 years, 10 months ago

Show me that FAIR is not racist. This is what the article is about.

mr_right_wing 3 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for proving my point; they're not even partisan, they're flat out 'racist'. Typical liberal prejudice.

Here's a reminder of the headline, my friend.. "Southern Poverty Law Center criticizes Kobach’s proposals on illegal immigration"

You'll notice it's not: "FAIR supports Kobach's proposals on illegal immigration" Shouldn't that be the headline if this article was indeed about FAIR?

You're also (probably intentionally) overlooking "illegal immigration" show me any little bit of proof that Mr. Kobach is looking to have all immigrants (regardless of legal status) deported. Please also provide even the most insignificant hint that it is any part of FAIRs agenda (deporting legals)...

I'm not holding my breath for a reply of any relevance........

ivalueamerica 3 years, 10 months ago

While I agree Wikepdia is not in and of itself anything close to a reliable source, HOWEVER, you choose for reasons that are all too obvious, most of what they report is cited by legitimate sources. You choose to totally and automatically dismiss anything written in Wikipedia, fine, but then you further decide to totally dismiss all the documentation cited as a result, and that simply makes you a joke.

You ignore the evidence that contradicts what you want to hear. There is nothing of quality you add to the discussion as a result.

mr_right_wing 3 years, 10 months ago

...so just go straight to those 'legitimate sources' and cut out wikipedia altogether.

OR, go somewhere trustworthy and reliable like this: http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

Why would you think a site called "conservapedia" is unbiased?

It would seem about as unbiased as one called "liberapedia".

Ralph Reed 3 years, 10 months ago

Careful Tom, but your colors are showing. Though I am glad to see that the link you gave points to instructions on how to donate to and support the NCLR. It really is good to see you supporting them like that. Thank you.

Go look at this, also from the NCLR website. (http://www.nclr.org/index.php/about_us/faqs/the_truth_about_nclr/the_translation_of_our_name/)

This is the first part of the definition I think you were looking for; the rest is at the link. "Many people incorrectly translate our name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.” Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race."

ivalueamerica 3 years, 10 months ago

Tom was quite clear some time ago, unfortunately, his post lasted all of ten minutes when he wrote quite a colorful statement on the quality of work and the trustworthiness of people based on whether they had black skin or were of Mexican origin.

In his final summary, he did find the people of Mexican decent much more trustworthy and hard working than black people.

He has yet to offer his comments on Asians, Jewish people or gays and lesbians, but I know he has it in him.

Come on Tom, lets here what you think, be honest, if you are not too scared.

ivalueamerica 3 years, 10 months ago

Tom was quite clear some time ago, unfortunately, his post lasted all of ten minutes when he wrote quite a colorful statement on the quality of work and the trustworthiness of people based on whether they had black skin or were of Mexican origin.

In his final summary, he did find the people of Mexican decent much more trustworthy and hard working than black people.

He has yet to offer his comments on Asians, Jewish people or gays and lesbians, but I know he has it in him.

Come on Tom, lets here what you think, be honest, if you are not too scared.

ivalueamerica 3 years, 10 months ago

I take it you do not speak Spanish.

It has many meanings, you can assign it one, if you want, but your motives are clear.

I am currently living and working in Latin America and I know for a fact that it also means the people, the community, and several other things in context, but please, you have never let facts get in your way before, do not start now...you brain would likely explode if you bothered with facts.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

Give kubacker a break, ivalueamerica. He works hard to maintain his ignorance. Don't confuse him with things like facts.

Mike Ford 3 years, 10 months ago

some of you are really good at denying the obivous. why is this? code language has sure come a long way.

Scott Morgan 3 years, 10 months ago

I just wonder why it's so important a topic so many are outraged. Show I.D. and vote in our elections. I did it. My father did it, his father before did it. Canadians do it. Legal voting is one of the foundation stones of our great nation.

Actually we in the U.S. are one of the few countries which doesn't require I.D. I assume our founding fathers thought we would never be so stupid to even need a law clarifying who can vote.

Why the problem with showing now I.D.? Why is so important and don't hand me the cost of I.D. bilge water. Something smells in this argument. Something not right.

Weep out loud I'm poor in our great country and things happen far to easy.

The more smoke I see, the more I believe a basis for lib power is illegal voting or pouring more ignorant voters to the side of socialism.

JayhawksandHerd 3 years, 10 months ago

Why the problem with showing now I.D.? Why is so important and don't hand me the cost of I.D. bilge water."

Why not? If things are so dire that it's necessary to eliminate the paltry funding the Kansas Arts Commission receives and cut pay for state workers by 7.5%, then you damn well better believe we should be discussing the costs involved in countering a problem that doesn't exist.

deec 3 years, 10 months ago

Why did you show your id to vote? It is not required...yet.

Mike Ford 3 years, 10 months ago

you probably can't even accurately define socialism or it's benefits. you'd rather be fibbed to by people being propped up by the Kochs or Armey and some faux uneducated quasi revolution. How smart of you.

tomatogrower 3 years, 10 months ago

If this law passes, I will volunteer for any group that makes sure that all older people, people of color, and people who have little funds to get a state id. I will help drive them there and make sure there is money if they don't have one. Think Kobach will join me? No, because caging votes is his goal, not preventing voter fraud. I will make sure he doesn't cage any vote in Kansas.

Scott Morgan 3 years, 10 months ago

tuschka, Socialism can be easily defined. A theoretical government which has never worked. Nuff said, or do you need more of a definition? Paaaaaaallllllllllllleeeeeeeeezeeee do not mention Greece, Sweden, or Spain as examples.

Haitian refugees swam by a socialist nation only a few miles from the border, only to risk life and limb and I may add another 500 miles to make it to this wonderful nation. Do these folks know something you can tell them?

Now tell me what I do not know about socialism tuschka.

Scott Morgan 3 years, 10 months ago

I will volunteer for any group that makes sure that all older people, people of color,

Wow!

in 2011 my o my with no second place the above is the most racist thing I've ever read in the past few months. Tomato, it aint 1920 anymore.

LIboguilt is running ramped.

ivalueamerica 3 years, 10 months ago

Interesting the stark raving mad attacks on the SPLC, but no one has actually been able to refute any facts they presented, just the people who presented them.

It is a common act of the desperate and weak minded, if you can not attack the facts, kill the messenger.

BigPrune 3 years, 10 months ago

....."trail of tears" is in the quote. If you can not attack the facts, kill the dissension. George Soros says so.

915_Stroker 3 years, 10 months ago

We"LL , I Mean, What ever it Takes to Get"M out of HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:

915_Stroker 3 years, 10 months ago

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:, Sorry I Wasen"t Done YET!!:,

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