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Democrats in Kansas House propose reform that holds businesses accountable for hiring illegal immigrants

House Democratic Leader Paul Davis of Lawrence on Thursday explains a proposal by House Democrats that he says will reduce the number of illegal immigrants in Kansas. The measure would require businesses use the federal E-Verify database to confirm residency status of workers, and crack down on employers who knowingly hire undocumented immigrants.

January 27, 2011

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— House Democrats on Thursday proposed a measure that they said would reduce illegal immigration in Kansas by focusing on employers.

“As long as illegal hiring continues in Kansas, illegal immigration will continue to be a problem,” said Rep. Valdenia Winn, D-Kansas City.

The proposal would require that businesses use the federal database E-Verify to confirm the residency status of workers.

House Democratic Leader Paul Davis of Lawrence said focusing on the workplace makes sense because people don’t come to the United States illegally to vote or attend a university.

“They come here to work,” he said.

The legislation also would enact penalties for employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers and prohibit those employers from bidding on government contracts for two years.

Similar proposals have been opposed in the past by the Kansas Chamber of Commerce and other industry groups, who say the bills would expose businesses to too much liability.

The Democrats said they believed their proposal was a common-sense approach. Davis criticized proposals sought by some Republicans to install an Arizona-type law that would authorize local law enforcement to arrest suspected illegal immigrants.

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seriouscat 3 years, 2 months ago

Finally some sensible pro-active rather reactive action on the part of KS Dems. Keep those thinking caps on guys!

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eric1889 3 years, 2 months ago

This appears to be a brilliant political move by the Democrats. It's a great idea, and something that should have been done a long time ago. Republicans are going to have get real shifty for their reasons to vote against the bill after all the rhetoric about immigration in the last election. I just hope that Kansans will see that always voting (R) is not getting the job done in our state.

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Shardwurm 3 years, 2 months ago

While you're at it let's repeal Kate Sebelious' in-state tuition for children of illegals.

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KS 3 years, 2 months ago

This sounds like an excuse for not wanting to control the illegals at the border. Let's just shift the responsibility to someone else. You know, like the businesses. They have all the money anyway. Let them pay for it. Why should we patrol the border when with this plan, someone else can tackle the problem. Dumb idea.

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Healthcare_Moocher 3 years, 2 months ago

Hospitals should have to report illegals also. The best data bases available are with the insurance companies, and they should be involved in this also. Until they get the fake ID situation under control, this whole program will be hard to do. Why not have a mix? There is nothing wrong with both plans.

Social Security checks and the like need to be sent to valid American addresses. There are many that have come, got on assistance and moved back to places like Mexico. Yes there are some real Americans living there too, but tax money being used, we have to know who it is going to why and where.

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beebo 3 years, 2 months ago

This would be GREAT. However, currentlly, if you run a social security number verification on an employee (because technically, you can't run it BEFORE they're hired), which ironically you're required to do, you CANNOT fire them if it comes back as not a match. (federal regulations) It's easy to blame the employers, but many, who would like to NOT hire illegals, have their hands tied by the feds.....The federal labor regulations are just ambiguous enough to result in employers (who adhere to them to avoid lawsuits later) hiring illegals.....reform of these regs is needed first. And good luck with that.

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 2 months ago

Whenever I think of immigration, I wonder "How Many". The U.S. now has 300 million people. How many immigrants can we reasonably absorb while maintaining our current lifestyle? This would include immigrants who will work but also their children who will go to schools, elderly who will need additional care, etc. To those who want to increase immigration and to those who oppose immigration: How many immigrants would you envision coming here and how should we best achieve that number?

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CorkyHundley 3 years, 2 months ago

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jonas_opines 3 years, 2 months ago

"There is no reason not to make it easier for these people to immigrate legally, the ones who want jobs."

Of course there is, it's called "entitlement." One based on nothing that one has done yourself, but what one's parents. . . did and where they did it.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 2 months ago

It's curious. I had a family member who worked for a national construction company that constructed large warehouses and multistory office buildings. They had hired work crews and went from state to state all over the US. The work crews were made up almost entirely of illegal immigrants. My family member became bi-lingual out of necessity. My family member did the payroll and all of these illegals had SS numbers and other work ID provided by the company. This was over ten years ago and the company is no longer in existence. It went down the drain with the rest of the economy. However, it begs the question; if this company did this, how many others out there are doing the same and getting away with it? Believe me, these people are not getting their fraudulent documentation from just anywhere. If the The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 isn't going to be enforced (and it's pretty weak when all a business has to do is to is "attest" to the legality of it's employees) and people want immigration control than a two pronged attack against the illegal and the businesses that hire them makes sense.

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deathpenaltyliberal 3 years, 2 months ago

"booyalab (anonymous) replies… The Republicans approach this as a legal issue, which it is. The Democrat approach, while it's good that it works as a disincentive, is effectively holding businesses ultimately responsible for law enforcement. Imagine if the police stopped arresting people and instead held businesses accountable for hiring people who broke the law."

Bad analogy. You ignore the fact that hiring illegals at less pay and benefits gives an employer an unfair advantage, the same as if they were skirting child labor laws, OSHA, environmental regs, etc.

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deathpenaltyliberal 3 years, 2 months ago

"wissmo (anonymous) says… ...Still stunned from the lib side on showing I.D. to vote. If sticking to a strict interpretation of no need for I.D. what do we check E-Verify status against? "you telling the truth Hernando?" Si-sir... OK you el knucklehead go on in and help yourself."

Ah, big difference, wussmo. Voting is a Constitutional right. Employment is not, and is regulated in many ways (child labor laws, OSHA, etc.).

And hiring illegals at less pay and benefits gives an employer an unfair advantage over the competition.

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Scott Morgan 3 years, 2 months ago

Why not focus on both, the illegal imigrante, and bossman hiring them?

Still stunned from the lib side on showing I.D. to vote. If sticking to a strict interpretation of no need for I.D. what do we check E-Verify status against? "you telling the truth Hernando?" Si-sir... OK you el knucklehead go on in and help yourself.

Boy Howdy the thought of non Latino terrorists getting a welcome mat from some of you frightens me. Generally libs begin invoking Canada as an example to follow. Why the silence on this issue?

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tomatogrower 3 years, 2 months ago

Actually I agree with Liberty on this one. There is no reason not to make it easier for these people to immigrate legally, the ones who want jobs. Then the only ones who were coming across the borders illegally would be the ones coming with drug or intent on illegal actions.

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Clark Coan 3 years, 2 months ago

I'm sure the Kansas Farm Bureau will have its lobbyists lobby against the bill as well. The KFB, which is essentially an insurance company representing big agribusiness such as ConAgra, has over a dozen lobbyists roaming the halls of the State Capitol Building. Kansas farmers have found that undocumented farmworkers from Mexico are willing to do stoop labor and are easy to control and under pay.

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ibroke 3 years, 2 months ago

I think that as long as the immigrant has a job he /she will stay out of trouble so it is good for them to earn money and they are hard workers the companies like to see that just leave them alone! and they worked hard getting here to this great state

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booyalab 3 years, 2 months ago

I would rather see the Republican proposal because there are more issues stemming from illegal immigration than just losing jobs. But it's a start.

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tomatogrower 3 years, 2 months ago

Republican opposition to this seems pretty hypocritical. Wouldn't this create a lot of jobs for the unemployed?

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pace 3 years, 2 months ago

This is smart. They have been creating special law targeting illegal immigrants instead of targeting illegal immigration is hitting the baseball with a tennis rachet. Jobs. Consider building is one of the many jobs that corporations and industry are using illegal immigrants to fill. They use illegal immigrants because the can pay them less, and cheat them easier. If a state is serious about reducing illegal immigrants it should be stumping for a working visa program which most first world countries have. It allows for temporary immigration labor for many agricultural, etc jobs.. It also spot lights the corporations and industries who are using the illegal status of workers to cheat them and to cheat the labor laws. The use of illegal workers also puts the legal worker in the postition of giving up their rights, it is like a mafia asking the legal workers to sink to the illegal status just to work in America. It is time for congress to quit reading the constitution to itself, for states to quit looking at making " social template laws" and to just make laws that address the problems. They probably won't because illegal immigrants isn't a problem for the money people. It is a problem for working families. 'So they attack the problem by attacking the illegal immigrant, not their bosses. They blame the sieve at the border on those coming for the jobs. The crack down should be on the guys making the big bucks. They blame the iron filaments not the magnets. Harassment laws only help the bosses, oh maybe that is the driving force. The same group promoting harassment laws instead of working visa and immigration reform are cutting education to working families. I would like to hear them tell their kids that education isn't important for demanding status in the work force. The portal for illegal immigrants is a portal that invites gangsters, drugs, guns, terror. We need smart law to narrow the portal, but unhappily smart law follows the money, not the victims. They spend a lot of money to chase an ever increasing flood of people coming for illegal jobs. Less illegal jobs, smaller the portal. Combine smart laws with smarter border control laws. They spend lots of money running ads to blame the workers and the illegal immigrants, not the legislators or the corporations. Decades of repeatedly ignoring the industries and corporation part should come to an end. It is like sending our tax money to corporations in the black to support their drug (labor) habit.

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Agnostick 3 years, 2 months ago

deec asked what the penalties are, or should be. Let's make it fair:

1st offense: $100 penalty for each illegal immigrant on site.

2nd offense: $1 million penalty for each illegal immigrant on site.

Enforce that once or twice, I guarantee you managers and business owners will start checking paperwork very, very closely.

I would also like to see a federal law that classifies aiding and abetting a known illegal immigrant as a form of treason.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 2 months ago

If you think this is going to get past the Republican controlled legislature you're delusional.

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bigmike 3 years, 2 months ago

ABOUT TIME THEY STARTED DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM!

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Paul R Getto 3 years, 2 months ago

This was 'solved' in 1986 by the Reagan administration. It hasn't been enforced much since, for obvious reasons...not good for biddness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrat... The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, enacted November 6, 1986, also Simpson-Mazzoli Act, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law.

In brief the act:[1]

required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status. made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants. granted a path towards legalization (amnesty) to certain agricultural seasonal illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously.

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 2 months ago

If one believes an employer is hiring immigrants illegally why not boycott that employer?

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Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 2 months ago

No, no, no, no, no.

People are coming to Kansas illegally so they can vote and send their kids to college. Getting hired for a job is waaaaay down the list.

Ask any GOP legislator if you want the truth.

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deathpenaltyliberal 3 years, 2 months ago

Why would Republicans oppose this? If there were no jobs, then there would be no illegal immigrants.

It looks like the GOP would prefer to jail the brown folks, but ignore their white partners in crime. Just sayin'.

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somebodynew 3 years, 2 months ago

Liberty_One you are just delusional.

Bushloather1 - It won't just be the Chamber of Commerce it will be the business friendly Reps that stop this.

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drake 3 years, 2 months ago

This will do nothing but impose large fees on the very people that you are asking to hire more people. E-verify charges for all new hires and not just the brown ones. The database is very incomplete and there are tens of thousands of people born here that are not in it which makes them ineligible for work.

If it costs me more money to hire people I'm going to do less of it.

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Liberty_One 3 years, 2 months ago

Why do we have such tight restrictions on immigration anyway? I say, as long as you don't have a communicable disease or a serious criminal record, you should be allowed to come to the US if you are willing to work.

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jayhawkmarauder 3 years, 2 months ago

better yet why doesn't the city of lawrence verify its sub contractors aren't using illegals

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Bushloather1 3 years, 2 months ago

Chamber of Commerce will stop this measure, but nice try. I am all for it.

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 2 months ago

This is the first state with the practical approach.

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bobberboy 3 years, 2 months ago

if they're illegal they should be arrested and taken out of the country.

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deec 3 years, 2 months ago

What are the penalties? They have to be large enough to actually impact the meat factories' bottom line.

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