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Kris Kobach proposing law preventing citizenship for American-born children of illegal immigrants

January 6, 2011

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Kansas Secretary of State-elect Kris Kobach was in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday helping unveil a proposal to prevent U.S. citizenship for the American-born children of illegal immigrants.

Kobach, a Republican who will take office next week, was among a group of other Republican officeholders from several states proposing bills that would prevent babies born in those states of illegal immigrant parents from being citizens.

The right of U.S. citizenship for everyone born on American soil is part of the 14th amendment to the Constitution. But Kobach and some legislators say that the amendment was not intended to apply to children of immigrants in the country illegally.

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Alceste 3 years, 3 months ago

Is the broke, busted state of Kansas paying for this nimrod to do all this grandstanding in Washington, D.C.? I strongly suspect WE are paying this nimrod's ride 100%. Good grief....

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GoodGirl 3 years, 3 months ago

Wonder how much would that cost all of us, taxpayers, since the government would have to verify legal status for ALL babies - I think that would be under Due Process and Equal Rights amendments... or do those not count either?????

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GoodGirl 3 years, 3 months ago

So does that mean when I go have a child in a Hospital I would have to prove that I am a legal US citizen, alien, etc... As a US Citizen I will be quite pissed off when they will ask me for that. Or will I be ok if i look and sound white???? This is such BS.

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CorkyHundley 3 years, 3 months ago

It's heartwarming to see DRD 4 Genies choose, out of concerned "Choice", to care about babies. Their "Choice" to cherrypick some babies and not others, is curious, but heartwaming.

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verity 3 years, 3 months ago

This right also has more than a century of precedence from the Supreme Court, i.e. United States v Wong Kim Ark (1898).

Of course, precedence no longer seems to matter to our right-wing, activist Supreme Court.

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RogerMidtown 3 years, 3 months ago

Mexican citizenship law contradicts anchor baby amnestyPosted by Frosty Wooldridge on .By Frosty Wooldridge

Last month, U.S. Senator Harry Reid’s anchor baby Dream Act amnesty burned down in flames. But Washington DC insiders predict the bill will surface again in the future.

What does the bill advocate? It allows an estimated 2.1 million Mexican anchor babies born to illegal alien parents within U.S. borders to enjoy instant citizenship. That in turn would allow those ‘citizens’ to sponsor countless millions of their family into the U.S. via ‘chain migration’ or ‘family reunification’. Long time activist, Michelle Dallacroce, director at www.MothersAgainstIllegalAmnesty.com researched a little known fact about the Mexican Constitution. What did you discover about Mexican children born in foreign lands and how does it affect the Dream Act amnesty for anchor babies? “Liberation!” said Dallacroce. “Anchor babies and US Citizenship are not and never have been the direction we as a country should choose. But we have for the last five years because as usual the Americans are always reacting to the actions of the open border clan. “It was staring us right in the face! But we just didn’t look! Instead of trying to defend and protect the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution against children born to their illegal alien females while crossing our borders, we never looked at the Constitution of the country of these women who were birthing these children. “That is where this story should begin and that is where it should end! The Mexican Constitution, Chapter II, Article 30, paragraph II, states that you are a Mexican by birth if born on foreign territory, sons or daughters of Mexican parents born in national territory. There you have it! Anchor Babies are not U.S. citizens! They are citizens of Mexican according to the Mexican Constitution. “April 4, 1997, President Sedillo of Mexico stated that “We will not tolerate foreign forces dictating and enacting laws on Mexicans. Our contention is that we are not enacting or dictating any laws on the Mexican illegal alien children born by illegal alien females in the US territory. Further, he states that “he was going to use all diplomatic and legal forces at his disposal to….protect Mexicans living in the United States.” “A birth certificate is not in itself anything but a piece of paper. Just like a marriage license! Until you go to the church and get the blessing from your church then and only then is that “Marriage License” a valid marriage. The birth certificates that these illegal alien mothers have acquired are nothing more than a piece of paper without the full authority of allegiance to the United States of America. These illegal alien infants born in the USA are unable to swear allegiance to the USA and are unable to be automatically bestowed and granted something that they have never sworn allegiance too! “

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jackbinkelman 3 years, 3 months ago

"Kris Kobach proposing law preventing citizenship for American-born children of illegal immigrants" So now Americans aren't Americans... where does it end?

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Paul R Getto 3 years, 3 months ago

"I'm not at all sure that the amendment was intended for this purpose, especially since the country was quite different at the time." === Jafs: That's not a place to go on constututional amendments, IMHO. Take, for example, the 2nd, which was intended to help raise an armed militia on short notice. It's certainly being given a newer meaning these days.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 3 months ago

You have to remember, yesterday was a tough day for many of the forum far-left, like Agnoistick and the resident clown, who are posting buds and support one another's posts. This has them extremely unhinged. Their hope of acquiring my wealth being extinguished has them very upset. Babboy, until you have a clue what I do, shut your pie-hole.

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George_Braziller 3 years, 3 months ago

How did this guy graduate from law school? He must have flunked Constitution law.

With his "logic" and xenophobia, if an illegal immigrant has a child in the US he wants the child to be treated as an illegal immigrant as well. What about the next generation? Does he also consider that child an illegal alien?

I'd LOVE to hear his his argument on that one.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 3 months ago

The Constitution grants this to persons who are born in the United States and our pretty boy Kobach thinks he can make a law changing the Constitution. This alone says all we need to know about the qualifications of this guy to serve in any elected office. I cannot believe that Kansans actually voted for this wonk, but as P.T. Barnum once said, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American People"

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nekansan 3 years, 3 months ago

Funny how fast people forget how to read the constitution.

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Danimal 3 years, 3 months ago

I'm a fairly conservative guy, and I hate this. Granted most of my ancestors were already here well before the US was an itch in the Founder Father's pants, but that's beside the point. The real issue is that this is a blatant attempt to illegally circumvent the Constitutional amendment process because they know they can't get the 75% majority required to do it legally. Part of the promise of America is that if you're born here, regardless of who your parents are and where they came from, you're an American. The real solution is the overhaul of our immigration system that politicians on both sides have been promising us for 35 years, not raping the Constitution. Of course, that would require leadership, compromise and intelligence, which both parties are sorely lacking these days.

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Ray Parker 3 years, 3 months ago

We must stop holding carrots out to illegal aliens, stop giving them jobs, keep them out of our public schools and colleges, and build the dang fence.

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Agnostick 3 years, 3 months ago

I don't believe it's realistic to "prevent" citizenship for any law-abiding, gainfully-employed illegal immigrants already within our borders. Same goes for their children.

I believe it's much more realistic to demand that they:

1) Pay a hefty penalty

2) Go through an audit with the IRS on all their taxes, make sure all are properly paid up.

3) Go to the "back of the line" for citizenship rights, behind those that are following the laws for immigration and citizenship.

A couple months back, a magazine or newspaper down in Texas printed some kind of round table discussion with eight or nine people: lawmakers, lawyers, business leaders. One lawmaker will soon be introducing legislation in Texas that is very, very much like the Arizona law. This same lawmaker, IIRC, will have a provision mandating a minimum one-year prison term for any business owner or manager that knowingly hires undocumented workers. Pretty much all those in the discussion agreed that going after illegal immigrants alone would not do the job! We MUST also penalize, even imprison those that illegally hire these people!

I refuse to take Kobach seriously on any of this, unless he also goes after the employers. It's been done before.

16 restaurant employees detained for violations Posted: Friday, August 13, 2004 http://cjonline.com/stories/081304/bre_elcazador.shtml

Eatery shuts down Officials believe some El Cazador employees are in U.S. illegally Posted: Saturday, August 14, 2004 http://cjonline.com/stories/081404/kan_elcazador.shtml

Restaurant owner admits hiring illegal aliens Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 http://cjonline.com/stories/050708/loc_276237691.shtml

Only problem with this last story is the sentencing. "Sentencing is set for Aug. 4, 2008. Palomino-Hernandez faces a maximum penalty of six months in federal prison and a fine up to $3,000."

Seriously? A suitcase of narco money could take care of the fine. Minimum sentence should be two years in prison and a $2 million fine. Put that on the books, put some actual enforcement behind it, and watch illegal immigration start to drop off.

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BABBOY 3 years, 3 months ago

As to the subject matter, in my opinion, Kris Kobach bares stinking similarity to the NAZIs that prayed on Germany in the 1930s. Denying citizen ship to children of Hispanics who are here illegally to me is un-American and simply taking advantage of the stupid conservative class that far too quickly gives up freedom upon fear and wrongly placed ideas of patriotism. A lot of blind follow the leader conservatives would have made excellent NAZIs…….

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BABBOY 3 years, 3 months ago

This is for Tom Shewmon.

I have been leaving you alone because you sort of backed off your one sided rants against liberals and remarks about the left. But, you hatred of those with color apparently was too much and you had to jump in on this issue.

My strength has always been my memory. I remember you posting that 80 percent of America is Christian and White and because of that they should control what happens. I guess your grasp of history does not remember when 80 of the white America allowed black people to be slaves. Majority rule does not always work and that is why we have the Bill of Rights.

Ahhh, but my favorite post is when you bragged that you were a stay at home dad with a doctor wife that made a half million year and did not have to work. That one explained a lot. Why else would you be able to post 1000 times a day?

I will not argue with a guy that stays at home and plays on the internet all day. That is just lame. That is not a perspective that I want or care to learn from.

I can not takes seriously a man that has given up on trying to work or supporting his family or being a productive citizen.

Staying at home sucking off your wife's income does not count.

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Jimo 3 years, 3 months ago

Well, I'm happy the Secretary is devoting 100% of his time to the job and not pursuing his private loonyness on the taxpayers dollar.

Only in Kansas is there no money for the poor but plenty of money to spend on elective lawsuits.

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Liberty275 3 years, 3 months ago

LOL. Patently unconstitutional theatre, just like forcing people to buy a product from a corporation because they are American. The left and the right in this country are entertaining their bases with shadow puppets while the middle class loses their homes and struggle to make ends meet.

I suppose we deserve what we get for giving the loons on both sides of the aisle the chance they wanted to change our country for their better.

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bendover61 3 years, 3 months ago

Good Man. I don't hate Mexicans, I hate everyone.

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Healthcare_Moocher 3 years, 3 months ago

Guess I will just crash the border, let the taxpayers in Phoenix pay for the birth of my child and any complications that come from it, Get grandma on social security, while never putting a dime into the system.

Yep... Kobach is a bad man for doing what he can to protect the taxpayer.

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voevoda 3 years, 3 months ago

This country has had experience with denying citizenship to people born here based on the identity of their parents, and it wasn't pretty. African-Americans born here, born of parents who were born here, descended from individuals who were brought to this country involuntarily and illegally--but still not eligible for citizenship (until the 14th Amendment). Native Americans, whose ancestors were here before the European-Americans, forced from their ancestral lands, forced into reservations--and still not eligible for American citizenship. For decades after the signing of the Constitution, several American states restricted citizenship by religious affiliation. As a country, we decided a long time ago to do away with underclasses of people born in the USA but ineligible for citizenship, and for good reason. Why should we reject the lessons of our history and revert to a bad policy of the past? Insofar as illegal immigrants are a problem, it is the adults who have come over our borders, not the children of immigrants (legal or not) who are born here. Illegal immigrants who have American-born children can still be deported, and they are, despite all the talk about "anchor babies." My guess? Kris Kobach is trying to drum up some more private consulting business. He's not satisfied with his salary as Secretary of State, or the amount of visibility it gives him. I agree with the editorial in today's LJW.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 3 months ago

The far-left loves it when there is a hot-button social issue. They can peruse dailykos, moveon, mediamatters or huffie and see what new label has been freshly minted by their looney left propagandists, then come on LJW and throw them around all day long. Why heck, they claim to know the right better than the right knows themselves.

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staff04 3 years, 3 months ago

The Republicans are reading the Constitution today in the House of Representatives. I wonder which lucky teabagger will be tasked with reading the 14th Amendment...

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 3 months ago

Here's yet another solution in search of a problem.

But for the xenophobic haters so well-represented on this forum, this distraction is welcome, and much better than addressing real problems.

After all, what could be better than deporting a kid who's spent their whole life here to a country where they have no support network, and likely don't even speak the language very well? Such a miserable fate would be fitting punishment for the actions of their parents.

Ah, Schadenfreude.

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CorkyHundley 3 years, 3 months ago

This guy doesn't want the country to be a free for all like mexico? What gives? He should promote the same rules Mexico has for citizenship.

That should make the RDR 4 Genies happy.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 3 months ago

"...several states..."

Can't you be more specific with a number SR? How about right now at least 14 states, with more adding to the list as this issue heats up. Funny how the Dems ignore the mass murder in Mexico and the fact Americans are re-doing their vacation plans to safer destinations, yet are meanhwile bound and determined to keep the flood gates for illegals wide open.

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Paul R Getto 3 years, 3 months ago

davidsmom (anonymous) says…I would like to see statistics on this, but birthright citizenship COULD be one of the larger drivers of illegal immigration ==== Good point. From what I can find out, the notion is not as clear-cut as one thinks. The 'anchor' baby would take a generation or more to be in a position to help their parents on the still difficult path to citizenship, with no guarantee of success. I doubt most people are thinking 20-25 years in advance on matters such as these. http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/08/11/dispelling-anchor-baby-myths/

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Slowponder 3 years, 3 months ago

Has anyone seen Kobach's birth certificate? Does it have his picture on it? :-)

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grammaddy 3 years, 3 months ago

So, now he wants to re-write the 14th amendment.Could he find a REAL problem in Kansas to work on.Seeker is right, once again we will be the laughing stock of the country. Could this be one of the reasons people are leaving Kansas?

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thuja 3 years, 3 months ago

Why do we have politicians again?

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seeker_of_truth 3 years, 3 months ago

Hope all you good little Republicans and Koback supporters realize how much it is going to cost taxpayers defending this in court. And then when its declared unconstitutional what a laughing stock Kansas will once again be. But I can always point out, I didn't vote for this clown.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 3 months ago

At the time the Constitution was written I'm not sure there was such a thing as "illegal" immigration. My sister is a professional genealogy researcher and records were kept of people coming into the country to a certain extent but the borders were very porous. Most records are no more than ship records. Either way it will take a Constitutional amendment and I'm not sure the xenophobes have enough to muster it.

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davidsmom 3 years, 3 months ago

I would like to see statistics on this, but birthright citizenship COULD be one of the larger drivers of illegal immigration. I think Kobach is right about the intent of the amendment and I think it should be changed to exclude children whose parents are both illegal immigrants, but stay the same if only one is a citizen or at least has a green card.

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