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Kansas House votes to end program allowing in-state tuition for illegal immigrants

February 22, 2011

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How they voted

Here is how the local House delegation voted on House Bill 2006, to repeal in-state tuition for some undocumented immigrants. The bill passed 72-50 and now goes to the Senate.

For

Anthony Brown, R-Eudora; TerriLois Gregory, R-Baldwin City; Connie O’Brien, R-Tonganoxie.

Against

Barbara Ballard, D-Lawrence,; Paul Davis, D-Lawrence; Ann Mah, D-Topeka; Tom Sloan, R-Lawrence.

— House members have voted to end a program that allows some illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition to attend Kansas public colleges and universities.

The chamber voted 72-50 on Tuesday to repeal the law, which began in 2004. The bill now goes to the Senate.

Critics of the tuition program argue the state policy violates federal law and is unfair to out-of-state and foreign students at Kansas colleges and universities.

Supporters say the repeal is driven by fear that the tuition break is encouraging illegal immigrants to move to Kansas.

Similar measures have passed the House since adoption of the policy but have failed to find enough votes in the Senate.

The state Board of Regents said 413 students enrolled under the law last fall.

Comments

jaketh 3 years, 2 months ago

You all can keep on barking, ranting, raving & getting mad. You will only lose your hair, sleep & have to attend stress management. There is a seismic shift in the population demographic of our country. There is a browning of America which some of you cannot fathom. There will be more people of mixed races/multucultural by 2030 than whites. Whites have a zero population growth. Hispanics have the highest population about 3.2 growth followed by Blacks. Hispanics are already 50% of the population in 5 States, Statistics don't lie. It is better to deal with reality. Its a cold hard fact. How we racially profile certain races will define who America is in next 2-3 generations. I don't think they will forget being persecuted, especially when they attain the majority... Let the cool heads prevail.

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sibkiss 3 years, 2 months ago

This is making it fair for the legal residents and out of state students who are coming to KS, but why not go above all this banter, and make college available to all Kansans, at a much reduced price, so that we may all get more educated smarts, and pay for it by taxation and interest free education savings, loans, and stop spending our tax dollars on things that do nothing to improve the education of our citizens.

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ToriFreak13 3 years, 2 months ago

The claim and argument that they will be productive citizens should be looked at as WHOM will they be productive for? Any of you hang out with children of illegal immigrants much? They have an agenda to give back to their people...as most any culture would normally have. But the drawback here is that they are getting subsidized by citizens that they will not be providing services for...and that they actually could care less about. I have met many of these children...some attending KU now. Probably some of the most racist people I have met. Their racism stems from myths that The Man/White Man is out to get them. They want to either #1 move back to their home country and be a prominent citizen giving back to their roots...or #2 work here in the US to fight for the immigration rights of their people, work as a lawyer representing their people, work a social worker for their elderly populations here illegally that can not get services without getting caught...NOT become the top neurologist to save lives no matter what your color. There may be a few..but not enough that they all get a discount while others with obvious good intentions don't get the same treatment.

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oldbaldguy 3 years, 2 months ago

this is just dumb. these students by and large will be productive citizens. i doubt they will go back to where they are from. if they stay here, doesn't it make sense to have educated graduates rather than not?

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KUrolls 3 years, 2 months ago

I'm an idiot for paying out of state tuition for my kids. I should move to mexico and send them to Kansas to get in-state.

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Jimo 3 years, 2 months ago

Meanwhile, the Republican House of Representatives cuts funding for border security.

House Republicans Trim Border Security Budget, Despite Calls for More Resources http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-republicans-trim-border-security-budget-calls-resources/story?id=12965031

We have an immigration problem in this country because the GOP wishes it so. It provides cheap labor to the Republicans' puppet masters and serves as a means to rally the base (when flag burning, baby aborting gay Muslims need to take a break).

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Bananajoe 3 years, 2 months ago

At the end no matter what happens . The "O'brien's" of this world will still need to deal with olive complexion people with and accent. Good Luck!!!

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MacHeath 3 years, 2 months ago

If they live in the state and pay taxes here, its fine with me. They are sure screwing some folks up with this one. It seems unnecessarily cruel to me.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 2 months ago

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/09/AR2010090902874.html

"The truth is that unauthorized immigrants are probably a net burden on taxpayers in the short term, but only if you consider education as a cost and not as an investment in the nation's future, as it was seen a century ago."

"What all this suggests is that public anger over the unauthorized already living here has less to do with history and economics and more with what Harvard political philosopher Michael Sandel says is the special "outrage" citizens feel when they believe people are getting something they don't deserve."

"The most insightful study remains one done by the National Research Council in 1997. It gauged federal, state and local fiscal costs and contributions over the lifetime of an immigrant in 1996 dollars. Citizen children were included.

The study found that an immigrant high school dropout -- which characterizes nearly half of today's unauthorized people -- received $89,000 more in services than he paid in taxes in his life. But an immigrant with at least some college -- a quarter of today's unauthorized -- gave $105,000 more than he got. For the high school graduates left, those who arrived during their teens or earlier were slightly profitable for the government, while the children of those who arrived later paid off the small deficit of their parents."

http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=5779

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sputum 3 years, 2 months ago

People in favor of supporting and educating illegals should put their own money where their mouth is. Start a private fund with bucks from your personal bank account and do whatever you want. I will vote against anyone in favor of spending my tax dollars on illegals unless it is to ship them back to wherever they came from. They are draining this country.

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bchap 3 years, 2 months ago

If people lived here, paid either rent or mortgage, spent any money, or were on a payroll (even with false documents), then they were taxpayers. So when you talk about "our tax dollars," you have to include the parents of these undocumented kids in the "us." I know, it makes your argument more difficult to make. Even impossible. I know.

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akhmatova 3 years, 2 months ago

There are a handful-hundred of students who are using the program, but the very large majority are in community college -- where tuition rates are incredibly small anyways.

Only about 60 kids are using in-state tuition in the six public schools in Kansas. They have to go to a Kansas high school for 3 years, graduate from it, and meet all of the residency requirements that Kansas has established.

And by the way, you can get in-state residency if you are not a citizen. If you are a permanent resident and have established residency in Kansas, you get in-state tuition. It's all about paying taxes, not about citizenship. It's very, very, very obvious that the people who passed this law do not understand residency guidelines and Kansas and the circumstances under which students are using the bill. There are only three possible explanations to me: out-and-out racism, a move to appease voters, or ignorance.

KU wants more in-state students to go to KU and graduate in 4 years. This bill does not take away money to the state, it provides tuition money to schools, as these are students who often cannot afford out-of-state tuition. It's pure malice to punish kids who were brought over to America, have never known any other home, have made a move to obtain citizenship (as mandated by the bill, as you have to sign an affidavit and pursue legal residency to qualify for in-state residency with the bill), and just want to be educated and support their country.

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 2 months ago

What's the point of giving them in-state tuition if upon graduation they still can't work here legally? Oh, you say, we'll let them become citizens. But what about their families? You mean we are going to deport the parents of these new citizens, these new graduates in whom we've just invested so much that they've become productive members of society? Oh, you say, we'll let them stay here too. We'll have a one time only amnesty. But didn't we have a one time amnesty some years ago? Oh, you say, we'll have a one time only amnesty every generation, as soon as we forget that we already had a one time amnesty. Oh, I see, this isn't really about in-state tuition for a few, it's about amnesty for millions. Why didn't you say so?

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ToriFreak13 3 years, 2 months ago

Strange how a lot of people read this as "children of illegal immigrants are being deported". Instead of the the actual headline. They are not a legal resident of Kansas...legal in the terms that they didn't get here legally...so they should not be allowed the benefits of families legally living here and paying taxes. They may "legally" be allowed to attend college...and more power to them for making it to that level. There are immigrants here legally for the purpose of furthering their education...and they pay out of state tuition. If the cultures that these various immigrants belonged to cared enough about such an issue, they should be pooling their money and creating funds to help assist these individuals in paying tuition. Sure there are a few scholarships here and there. But the money wasted on arguing and advocating bs could just be put to good use directly to the students in need. and llama...do you know of anyone that was from out of state...went to a Kansas CC, then qualified for in state tuition? You might want to check your facts...just because you can apply doesn't mean you are eligible. It isn't that easy to get in state tuition case in point these two guidelines... 2) that you rely on in-state sources for your financial support, and 3) that you have demonstrated intent to make Kansas your permanent residence indefinitely and are in Kansas for reasons other than educational purposes. Going to a JUCO for a year proves nothing towards those two requirements.

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 2 months ago

A plea bargain agreement. If the high school graduate (now 18 years old) is not culpable for the crimes that the person who brought them in, then in exchange for in-state tuition and a pathway to citizenship, they turn in the lawbreaker(s) who brought them here. That way we get new citizens that are well educated and we get rid of the lawbreaking illegal immigrants.

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Jayhawks1985 3 years, 2 months ago

Those of us who are far from rich and have to pay out of state tuition are happy to see this change. Why would an illegal deserve in state tuition more than my son? He goes to school and works full time to pay his expenses. He will have to work just as hard as an illegal to be successful but he will never be given any breaks.

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Brock Masters 3 years, 2 months ago

Does anyone know the answer to this question - of all the illegal immigrants that have been admitted to KS schools how many actually became citizens?

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ophiuchus 3 years, 2 months ago

How absolutely petty, stupid, and ugly are forum commenters prepared to become?

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chzypoof1 3 years, 2 months ago

It's a "small" issue, so we should just ignore it? I for one am happy they accomplished something.

And let's have a small English lesson here: Illegal = not legal. It also = no benefits. If someone steals something, is it ok for them to keep it? I mean I know its illegal, but its petty theft. And what if someone smokes Mary J? It's just a little issue, just let it go.

Quit letting your polarized views block the fact that this should be pretty cut/dry. They are here ILLEGALLY. They do not have ANY rights, as they are not citizens. Quit trying to bring race into this. Legal citizens/visa holders are more than welcome to go to our universities and pay taxes. Both sides of the aisle need to step back and calm down. Very simple issue here.....

poof

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ophiuchus 3 years, 2 months ago

How absolutely petty, stupid, and ugly is Kansas prepared to become?

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TheStonesSuck 3 years, 2 months ago

Holy crap, how many people does this actually impact, 20? 30? 100? Not a lot of money is involved here. This is useless legislation meant to placate the ignorant folks who vote these KS officials into office. The xenophobes might be all snuggly in their white sheets tonight, but the rest of us want those over in Topeka to actually get down to business. Accomplish something to address the needs of the state, stop pandering to the other knuckle-draggers.

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Scott Morgan 3 years, 2 months ago

stevejay, I doubt there are no financial aid packages out there for illegal immigrants. LIbguilt suffering citizens form a powerful tool, especially when spending other peoples money.

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stevejay35 3 years, 2 months ago

Why are we worried about children who are interested in educating themselves? They are not eligible for grants or federal loans so they will be footing the bill themselves. I think people hear illegal immigrant and associate the sterotype to them.

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seeker_of_truth 3 years, 2 months ago

What the legislators just proved, if you are a teabagger or a conservative republican, you are a RACIST.

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Jim Phillips 3 years, 2 months ago

The key words here are "illegal immigrants" which means they are not in the country legally. Why should we allow law breakers to benefit while other US citizens must pay out of state tuition to attend a school in their own country? I'm in favor of taking it a step further and mandating students be legally in the country before attending any university or college.

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cscmc 3 years, 2 months ago

yeah they say the state is broke? wow now we have the money to pay for this $%*# ? and brownback is laying people off and cuting everything WOW dumb move voting these air heads in !

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Paul R Getto 3 years, 2 months ago

Dumb move, but expected. Punish the children for the sins of their parents. The Native American community should latch on to this theory. If they are successful, they can punish us for what our ancestors did when they illegally invaded this lovely country. Ah, Kochkansas! Will the last (legal) resident please turn out the lights when they leave?

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