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(Mid)major bummer: Davidson proves KU ‘not that good’

Thomas Robinson tries to split the Davidson defense in the first half Monday, Dec. 19, 2011 at Sprint Center in Kansas City, Mo.

Thomas Robinson tries to split the Davidson defense in the first half Monday, Dec. 19, 2011 at Sprint Center in Kansas City, Mo.

December 20, 2011


Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

KU coach Bill Self

Kansas coach Bill Self talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 80-74 loss to Davidson on Dec. 19, 2011.

KU vs. Davidson

Elijah Johnson and Travis Releford addressed the media after falling to Davidson on Monday, Dec. 19, 2011 at Sprint Center in Kansas City, Mo.

— Mid-major Davidson’s 80-74 victory over No. 12 Kansas University on Monday night certainly would be considered a major upset in the eyes of most college basketball fans.

Not in the realm of KU coach Bill Self, however, who has seen enough of his team to realize the 2011-12 edition of the Jayhawks (7-3) are ripe for the picking on any given night.

“I don’t know if you can take as much from this game as maybe other games,” Self said, asked about some of KU’s losses to mid-majors in the past. “This team is not that good.”

The Jayhawks, who had defeated No. 2-ranked Ohio State nine days ago, trailed by as many as 11 points in the first half versus the Southern Conference team. KU had it tied at 55 with 6:33 left, but was vastly outplayed down the stretch by a squad that committed zero second-half turnovers.

“Other games where you are more talented and somebody beats you, you could consider it an upset. That wasn’t an upset tonight,” Self reiterated.

“We need to be mentally sharp every night we play. There’s not as much margin for error (this year). We weren’t sharp. This team is not mature enough to understand we have to play really well to beat the teams that maybe they (KU players) don’t think are our equals, which is total crap. This (Davidson) team was our equal. We knew it coming in, and they played like it tonight.

“This is what the reality check is ... we’ve got to be really focused, play really hard and play really smart and play to our strengths to have a chance to beat anybody on our schedule.”

Self said his Jayhawks flat-out were not ready to play in falling behind 7-0 and 26-15 early.

“They controlled the game. They whipped us,” Self said. “I thought we had a good, spirited workout today and pretty decent practice yesterday. I thought we’d be ready to play, but we weren’t.”

A 13-0 run that erased the 26-15 deficit was about the only KU highlight of the game. The Jayhawks led, 28-26, with 3:41 left in the half, but by half’s end, lagged by one point, 33-32.

“Even though we were only down one at half, it was an ugly one,” Self said. “It felt like it could have been six, eight. Our first-half defense kind of kept us in it. Our rebounding stunk (KU outboarded the Wildcats, 43-40, but was outboarded, 21-17, the first half). They had 12 turnovers, we had nine steals. It was one of our emphasis. We’ve got to get active with our hands. The second half, they played perfect. It’s unbelievable how well you can do if you don’t turn the ball over. They didn’t have any turnovers; we had no steals. We didn’t create anything the second half..”

Junior Travis Releford (eight points on night Thomas Robinson led the way with 21) said the problem was mental.

“We come out and aren’t ready to play as a team,” Releford said. “That hurts us because we are playing catch-up the whole game. We can’t come out and do that. We came out very sluggish.”

And played sloppy.

“The guys,” Self said, “don’t understand that possessions early in the game still count. We wasted so many possessions early it allowed them to get comfortable. When you allow teams to get comfortable, they get confidence.”

KU hit 40.3 percent of its shots, just six of 23 threes.

“It says 6-for-23. We were 3-for-20 because we made three when the game was over,” said Self, whose squad saw the 55-55 tie turn into a 73-65 margin with 1:05 left. “They made 11 threes (in 33 tries). They make free throws (19-for-25), and we don’t (18-for-31). As poorly as we played, and we certainly didn’t get stops when we needed to, if we make free throws at a better percentage and don’t go 3-for-20, the outcome could possibly have been different.”

As far as the fact KU may have been rusty in not playing in nine days (since the pulsating win over Ohio State), Self said: “I think Davidson had finals, too, so I’m not buying into any of that.”

KU will meet USC at 10 p.m. Central time Thursday at Galen Center in Los Angeles.


Armen Kurdian 6 years, 6 months ago

I'm going to be at the USC game. I really hope they play better. Don't want to walk away a loser from that one.

JHawkInLA 6 years, 6 months ago

I hope they play better Thursday at USC, or they will have a long, sad flight back just before Christmas. I am taking my grandson to see his second KU game.

Scott Tichenor 6 years, 6 months ago

Went to the game. We looked like a Turner Gill coached version of KU Basketball. Hapless, sloppy, lacking fundamentals. Davidson players were dribbling down the lane for uncontested layups. Driving in and back in the rain, really wasn't worth it have to say. Could be a very, very long season.

stevieboy 6 years, 6 months ago

Outcoached and outplayed..This team will lose 5 conference games easy...

DRsmith 6 years, 6 months ago

At least it wasn't the tournament this time.

Robert Rauktis 6 years, 6 months ago

What was that one comment? "It's only Davidson."

Steve Stucky 6 years, 6 months ago

Since 2001... Defend the three - shoot freethrows. It's going to be a long season.

newmedia 6 years, 6 months ago

Will this team make "the tournament"? Should be a wild January and February. Stay tuned...

drillsgt 6 years, 6 months ago

the current team should play down at veterans park...sloppy basketball...street attitude , no basics...but at Brothers sports bar its everybody else's fault...we have no point guards..taylor was playing bad before the injury....the first time out , you could see Coach yelling.."what the f***"..really..Johnson is playing like hes down at the community building..robinson..the twinns are not here anymore so quit forcing stupid shots....and we have no bench...last nite on the drive back..i cant beleive that personel "swag" is more important than basic basketball...we are used to be that "At Kansas , we dont have time to be weak" as long as i get mine go play at veterans park with those attitudes..

Martin Shupert 6 years, 6 months ago

The quote from Self was: "What the $#%^ are you doing?" straight at Withey, who didn't do much at all the entire game. Connor was awful. EJ was worse. TT was worse times two. We constantly dribbled into trouble with no where to go. It really did look like a community league ball team. Maybe this will get their attention. I have a very bad feeling about this team though. It's not so much the lack of talent. If a team plays together as a team, they can do well, but this group seems to throw each other under the bus on every error they make. No one looks to take any responsibility out there. UGLY.

sleepy33 6 years, 6 months ago

They were decent from 3 points, but not overwhelmingly so. Shot 33% as a team. One of their starters was 4 for 5.

Martin Shupert 6 years, 6 months ago

Problem was, we hardly bothered to guard the 3 in the first half... Then, throughout the game, players didn't even know who they were guarding... something a 5th grade team would be able to do.

jhawkinsf 6 years, 6 months ago

This may well be a down year for K.U. with a lot more losses than last year and more losses than in the previous couple of years. I'm reminded of our '86 team that was loaded and went all the way to the Final Four. Compare that to the '88 team that had many more losses. They too suffered from graduations from the '86 team, just like our current team suffered from graduation losses from last year's team that had all those wins. If things turn out as badly for this team as they did for that '88 team, maybe 8-10 losses, get a mediocre seed in the tournament, but make a decent run in the tournament like that '88 team, we might view them as a success after all. Rock Chalk, baby.

jaywalker 6 years, 6 months ago

Easy, folks. The sky ain't fallin' and that's why they call it a trap game. Not for nothin', but Davidson was simply the better team last night. Exceptionally well coached with tremendous D that hardly allowed a second chance point, something KU relies on. We need Withey to play like he did in the second half and Teahen HAS to get set before he shoots. He took most of his 3's from the hip like there was someone in his face and the clock was expiring; I think the game's still moving too fast for him. Taylor will be a source of joy/frustration all year; he just doesn't have the bball IQ; way too many ridiculous passes.

Still, I came away impressed w/ Davidson and TRob more than anything. He's on his way to a unanimous All American kinda year. That team is just plain smart. Anyone else notice when that Matta kid from KC went down in the second half and they had to replace his 47% FT shooting w/ an 80% shooter? That was on purpose. He wasn't hurt; I watched the replay several times and the right shoulder he was grabbing and they were pretending to work on the sidelines never hit the floor. Not a fan of the ploy, but when you're in a dogfight w/ a bigger dog you come up with tricks like that.

stevieboy 6 years, 6 months ago

Ploy? How would you know if he injured it or not? Are you a doctor? did you examine him ? Was no trick ku got beat...Thank self for getting players with questionable grades and cant even get on the floor!

jaywalker 6 years, 6 months ago

Check the tape. Then go back to whichever homer board you habitually dwell, due respect.

jonas_opines 6 years, 6 months ago

Might not win the tournament, or make a deep run. Might not win the division, this year.

KU fans often see this as sucking, lacking the perspective that, for many other teams, this is business as usual.

Martin Shupert 6 years, 6 months ago

We aren't other teams and business as usual is winning the conference... not some division. This ain't MO. It's basketball and we're Kansas.

jonas_opines 6 years, 6 months ago

Feel free to be miserable lamenting, then. I'll continue to support the team that we have, rather than the team that we wished we had this year.

somedude20 6 years, 6 months ago

At least there is always KU football to look forward to!

Gregory Newman 6 years, 6 months ago

Hahaha i told yaw. Its BS? Guards are the extention of the coach. BS does not have a clue yaw want to take his won-lost record playing a ton of twinkies a profess hes a coach. They would learn the mid-range game with Calipari. Releford shot one and TT shot one but they could make a living there if they would punch on the gas and not force it all the way to the hoop when its not there.That 88 team was a great mid-range jumper team. What makes it so bad TR, EJ and TT are better shooters than that team. You have to dribble-drive. That will open up for the bigs if he insist on runnin that 1950's high-low. Which is really not conducive for this personnel because Withey has bad feet and weak hips. He would have an advantage if he would move around more and dont post-up so long. You have to catch him uncontested the kid is fast take advantage of his speed. The personnel is there im tellin yuh. BS won 08 because that team was stacked and Affelo was gone from UCLA.

jonas_opines 6 years, 6 months ago

"BS does not have a clue yaw want to take his won-lost record playing a ton of twinkies a profess hes a coach."


Gordon Docking 6 years, 6 months ago

Instead of recruiting freshmen who can't play, perhaps Self should have looked close to home at that kid from Olathe East who played 27 minutes and hit a couple of big 3's...and several assists. He obviously belonged on the floor.

Martin Shupert 6 years, 6 months ago

The marks on my wrists from 2004 just went away. Damn.

bevy 6 years, 6 months ago

Kudos to Coach Self for not making excuses for his team. Sounds like they'd better step it up!

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