Archive for Wednesday, December 7, 2011

Salina man’s plan to arrest Obama goes nowhere after Secret Service visit

December 7, 2011, 2:30 p.m. Updated December 7, 2011, 3:34 p.m.


— A Kansas man said officials should have helped him arrest President Barack Obama instead of seizing the handcuffs he planned to use to restrain the commander-in-chief.

Neil Jednoralski, 65, of Salina, claims that President Obama has British and Indonesian citizenship and is committing fraud by impersonating a person eligible to be president. Obama has repeatedly refuted such claims.

The Salina Journal reports that Jednoralski had announced his plan to arrest the president to the Kansas Highway Patrol and to Attorney General Derek Schmidt, whom he hoped would prosecute the president.

Instead of providing help, Schmidt's office confirms it informed the Secret Service. Jednoralski received a visit from a Secret Service agent and law enforcement officials at his home Monday evening in advance of Obama's speech Tuesday in Osawatomie, about 150 miles away. Jednoralski, a business owner, self-proclaimed tea party member and former candidate for state representative, was warned that he would be arrested for trespassing if he showed up for the speech.

Jednoralski said officials confiscated a warrant he created for the arrest of Obama. He said they also took a pair of handcuffs he bought specifically to arrest Obama, along with four guns. Jednoralski remained in Salina during the speech. Sheriff Glen Kochanowski said Jednoralski retrieved the items from the sheriff's office Tuesday afternoon.

Ed Donovan, a spokesman for the Secret Service, declined to discuss the specifics of the Jednoralski case but said each situation is handled individually.

"If we discover someone has made inappropriate comments or has an unusual direction of interest in someone we protect, we have a right and an obligation to determine what their intention is," Donovan said.

Jednoralski said he has planned for a year to arrest Obama under a Kansas law that allows a person to make an arrest.

"The law says if the person has probable cause to believe a person is guilty of a felony," Jednoralski said. "'Cause to believe' is pretty wide."

He wanted to bring Obama to Topeka for the courts to decide if he was eligible to be president.

Jednoralski first posted his intentions online in 2010. Until Monday's visit by the Secret Service, he publicly posted on his Facebook page that he planned to carry out the arrest in Osawatomie.

"I had no thought of endangering the president," said Jednoralski, who believes the Secret Service violated his rights by taking his guns. "I just wanted the courts to decide if he is eligible to be president."


tomatogrower 6 years, 6 months ago

Another embarrassing nutcase from Kansas.

somedude20 6 years, 6 months ago

after reading a ton of posts from the right wing crowd here at the great LJW, I would guess they would arrest him for not using the "colored person" bathroom, looking at a white lady, living in a white house or for just being black.

somedude20 6 years, 6 months ago

Kansas rednecks and plateaubillies, please do not worry about looking dumb as that would be like Rosie O'Donnel trying to look skinny.


kristyj 6 years, 6 months ago

Hehe, his FB profile is public. Mixed in with the political statements, he also seems to like lolcats & wants a wife?

CreatureComforts 6 years, 6 months ago

Yeah the British thing confuses me. At least there is some sense behind the Indonesian thing as he used to live there (of course the citizenship thing isn't true), but the British thing...wha?

CreatureComforts 6 years, 6 months ago

Oh, I guess his dad was born in the British Empire...that would be the only connection I could see.

Plurilingual 6 years, 6 months ago

However, at the time of Barack Hussein Obama II's birth, Kenya was no longer part of the British Empire; it was already on it's own.

It should be clear to anyone with half a brain that the President does indeed have American citizenship and he has had it since birth, seeing how he was born on soil under the jurisdiction of the United States.

beatrice 6 years, 6 months ago

He should be told to write a letter of apology to the President.

meggers 6 years, 6 months ago

Or better yet, he should be required to repay the costs associated with the Secret Service and law enforcement involvement. One would think his fellow Tea Party members would have a problem with wasting taxpayer resources for such ridiculous antics.

beatrice 6 years, 6 months ago

Sadly, people like this have easy access to firearms.

beatrice 6 years, 6 months ago

Two words for why crazy people shouldn't have access to guns: Gabby Giffords.

GUMnNUTS 6 years, 6 months ago

Two more words for why crazy people should not have guns: John Hinckley.

esteshawk 6 years, 6 months ago

"well regulated" is right there in the Constitution.

jafs 6 years, 6 months ago

I believe that our courts have decided that certain restrictions on firearm possession are acceptable, just as certain restrictions on speech are also acceptable, despite the constitutional protections.

Being mentally unstable seems to me that it is most likely a very reasonable reason to restrict access to guns.

beatrice 6 years, 6 months ago

Outside of snap's overtly defensive comment, where is gun control for everyone even mentioned in anyone's comments here? To say it is sad that mentally unstable people have easy access to handguns is acknowledgment of the damage these individuals do to lives and families when they go on their rampages. It is sad! Reading the weekly updates on Gabby Giffords' struggles is sad. Acknowledging this is not the same as saying stable people shouldn't have access. There is nothing sad in stable people having access. The only argument against the statement that crazy folks having easy access to guns is sad is to say it isn't sad, and that is no reasonable argument at all.

Michael Stanclift 6 years, 6 months ago

It's almost comical the "punishment" he got...

"We're going to take your guns and handcuffs away, for the day, and you can pick them up tomorrow."

DillonBarnes 6 years, 6 months ago

What "punishment" would you suggest? He didn't threaten the president's life, he wanted to arrest him for something he believed was true. He never actually did anything, and I'm not aware of a law of "intention to commit a citizen's arrest."

I have to agree with most people, this guy is a loopy, but what should he be punished for?

You can bet the Secret Service will be keeping an eye on him for a while though.

DillonBarnes 6 years, 6 months ago

I'd think you'd have a hard time sticking him with that charge.

Cai 6 years, 6 months ago

Kansas does have a law permitting a citizen's arrest, so provided he took the President to a law office, he wouldn't be kidnapping (since he would have the authority to do so, from a strictly legal standpoint). Thus, a citizen's arrest isn't kidnapping.

Also, it can't be conspiracy, as he wasn't planning it with a second party.

Court wouldn't let it stand up as a charge.

bad_dog 6 years, 6 months ago

Conspiracy under Kansas law inherently requires agreement to commit a crime by more than one person. KSA 21-3302

mdfraz 6 years, 6 months ago

Do you know the definition of the word "conspiracy"?

mdfraz 6 years, 6 months ago

Sorry, bad_dog that was directed toward Plurilingual.

bad_dog 6 years, 6 months ago

You can't merely "believe" it. You have to have probable cause to believe it.

sourpuss 6 years, 6 months ago

Sounds like someone needs to turn off FoxNews.

puddleglum 6 years, 6 months ago

WHAT? Fox news is REAL! I like all the hot chicks behind the news counters and the old white men with fair and balanced opinions. and they tell it like it is, not biased at all, in fact they even have an ad that sez "fox news:fair and balanced" so they have to be telling the truth without any bias.

jaywalker 6 years, 6 months ago

Says the guy who can't post anything more than snide, unsubstantial, single sentences.

kernal 6 years, 6 months ago

Whaaaat? Jeesh, we're not even done with the Muppets being accused of brainwashing kids of the rich. Shoot, I'm still recovering from the news that Papa Smurf is Satan and now this?

asixbury 6 years, 6 months ago

I always expect the worst from Salina. Lived there for longer than I would like to admit...all that town has left living in it are nurses and crackheads. What a mix!

Stuart Sweeney 6 years, 6 months ago

What a nut, Phreddie Felps would have been proud!

DillonBarnes 6 years, 6 months ago

We know you don't want to hear it, because you don't listen to anyone but faux news.

MyName 6 years, 6 months ago

I love how your defense of this mal-informed idiot is to try and find some other idiot from "the other team" to show that you guys are "just as bad". But hey, if Sheehan had wanted to arrest President Bush for authorizing torture and have him sent to The Hague, at least she'd have had a legitimate case, unlike this birther nonsense.

parrothead8 6 years, 6 months ago

You're overlooking one small difference: Cindy Sheehan was protesting a cause that actually existed. The war in which her son was killed was very real, hastily begun, and shoddily continued.

Neil Jednoralski is protesting something that's been disproven by a birth certificate seen by billions of people. He can see it on his very own computer screen, and yet he denies its existence. Cripes, man. Even Sarah Palin moved on from that one. That's insane. It's actually insane.

You don't wish to hear it. Fine. Go stick your head in the sand and ignore the complicated problems of the real world. Just like most of the far right, once things get past a black and white answer and critical thinking is involved, it suddenly becomes far too complicated for you.

Liberty275 6 years, 6 months ago

That was pretty dumb. You'd think he'd try to arrest obama for violating the civil rights of an American citizen related to the assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki.

tolawdjk 6 years, 6 months ago

I'm guessing this guy was totally fine with that particular assassination.

Scott Tichenor 6 years, 6 months ago

For a moment I thought I was reading The Onion.

Terry Sexton 6 years, 6 months ago

Heard on the radio that he's ticked about the AG ratting him out. If I were Derek, I'd be a little wary.

KEITHMILES05 6 years, 6 months ago

It's idiots such as this who are menace to society, not somebody who you disagree with politically. Good thing he didn't try to do this in Obama's presence he would have probably been shot dead.

Mike Ford 6 years, 6 months ago

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Mike Ford 6 years, 6 months ago

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beatrice 6 years, 6 months ago

Returning under a new name after being removed is also breaking the rules.

woodscolt 6 years, 6 months ago

Well, at least we can be sure there are at least two. Why heck, we might even be able to count Tom twice.

Maddy Griffin 6 years, 6 months ago

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pace 6 years, 6 months ago

didn't trump promise to release some secret Hawaii spy news. The ones who knew better enjoyed the game of false accusations. Now a confused old man has made a fool of himself for listening to his leaders.

greenworld 6 years, 6 months ago

Why does people keep naming Phelps name?? He wouldnt care about stupid stuff like this, all he cares about is making sure God hates gays.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 6 months ago

I wonder if anyone has ever told our dear friend the Reverend Fred Phelps that Jesus loved his fellow man.

woodscolt 6 years, 6 months ago

You have your ninety nine percent, your 1 percent , and then, of course, you sub zero percent.

Erin Graham 6 years, 6 months ago

"...and former candidate for state representative"... Unfortunately, a decent number of state reps could probably fit in this guys mold...

Tony Kisner 6 years, 6 months ago

Good way to get a free trip to Osawatomie and a new jacket with the sleaves in the back.

pace 6 years, 6 months ago

They are trying to empty osawatomie, no room at the inn any more. This guy is getting his guns back and maybe he is a ticking bomb, maybe not. State isn't into that psychology sciency stuff. Not enough funds. Opps, slipped on an oil slick. there.

sibkiss 6 years, 6 months ago

This is humorous. I have to giggle...I wonder if he will try to arrest Brownback next, for trying to impersonate something he's not either.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 6 years, 6 months ago

Salty Oolong: It's the new koolaid! Party on, Neil, but cut back on the anthropomorphic shapeshifting pig consumption...I mean, tea.

jaywalker 6 years, 6 months ago

Almond Joy's got nut's......Salina, too.

I'm glad this guy chose to inform authorities beforehand so they could nip this in the bud at his home. Would hate to have seen the result of him approaching the Prez w/ those handcuffs.

yourworstnightmare 6 years, 6 months ago

Arresting Obama is a common thought and topic of discussion among teapublicans. This should come as no surprise.

Threatening the resident is a felony: "any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States" (Title 18, Section 871 United States Code).

One could argue that threatening to arrest him is kidnapping.

This teapublican felon got off easy.

Bursting 6 years, 6 months ago

I disagree that you could arue a threat to arrest is a threat to kidnap. How many open publicized kidnapping threats have you heard of lately?

bad_dog 6 years, 6 months ago

I don't believe a "threat to kidnap" criminal statute exists in Kansas. If the threat to arrest someone lacks the requisite probable cause to believe a felony has been committed, and an "arrest" actually occurs, a charge of kidnapping or false imprisonment isn't a stretch.

KSA 21-3420 defines kidnapping as: "...the taking or confining of any person, accomplished by force, threat or deception, with the intent to hold such person:

(d) to interfere with the performance of any governmental or political function.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 6 months ago

President Obama, I am going to place you under a rest.

It's time for your afternoon nap.

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