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Historians find Pearl Harbor fading from younger generations’ memories

Pearl Harbor visitors enter the U.S.S. Arizona Memorial, which is built over the sunken remains of the battleship, to experience and pay their respects, Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011. Of the 2,400 Americans who died in the Dec. 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, 1,177 were killed on board the Arizona. This year marks the 70th anniversary of the attack, which escalated the United State's involvement into World War II.

Pearl Harbor visitors enter the U.S.S. Arizona Memorial, which is built over the sunken remains of the battleship, to experience and pay their respects, Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011. Of the 2,400 Americans who died in the Dec. 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, 1,177 were killed on board the Arizona. This year marks the 70th anniversary of the attack, which escalated the United State's involvement into World War II.

December 5, 2011

Editor’s note: This is the first in a three-part series marking the 70th anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor, which occurred on Dec. 7, 1941.


The 70th anniversary of Pearl Harbor

The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor 70 years ago today changed the United States. It also changed the lives of three men. Vincent Muirhead, Lawrence, and Dorwin Lamkin, Mission, both served aboard ships at Pearl Harbor. Lawrence artist Roger Shimomura spent part of his youth in internment camps. Our special project includes their stories, archived newspaper and audio reports, and a photo gallery of the events of Dec. 7, 1941.

Audio Clips
Audio reports of the Pearl Harbor attacks

Seventy years after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, scholars of history say the event shaped the lives of many who lived through it, long after the Dec. 7, 1941, date that lived in infamy. But that influence may be waning with younger generations.

From 1969 to 2006, Ted Wilson, a Kansas University history professor, taught a course on World War II. As part of the course, he required his undergraduate students to conduct oral histories of people from the time period. It didn’t have to be someone who served in the military, Wilson said, but it certainly could have been. Though the course was an introductory history course with large numbers of students, Wilson graded all the oral history papers himself.

He estimates he read about 8,500 of them over the years, and he’s kept about 3,500 of them in the basement of his home.

Wilson said several major themes emerged for the people who remembered the event firsthand.

Only a small number of them knew about Pearl Harbor or where it was before the attack, Wilson said. And, as it represented the beginning of America’s entry into World War II, it also represented the beginning of many changes for people all across the country.

Women, in particular, often found jobs and opportunity. Women whose husbands were serving suddenly found themselves working for the Sunflower Army Ammunition Plant and living in tiny cabins in De Soto. Men, both inside and outside of the military, were able to learn new skills that prepared them for new careers.

“There are several seminal events that, at least in terms of perception, change the way the population and the people think about issues,” Wilson said. Pearl Harbor, he said, was one of a relatively few of those moments.

Hal Wert was a graduate student teaching assistant for Wilson’s class and has since gone on to his own career as a World War II historian. He currently teaches history at the Kansas City Art Institute and serves as an adjunct faculty member at KU in its international studies program.

He’s noticed that the attack is slipping from the minds of his students more and more.

“If you ask me what it means to my students, it’s nothing,” he said. “The war in Vietnam is ancient history.”

This is nothing new, though, Wert said. History has a natural tendency to fade. And with more and more members of the World War II generation dying each day, Pearl Harbor will likely continue to slip from the national consciousness, he said.

“Before Pearl Harbor, the patriotic rallying cry was ‘Remember the Maine,’” Wert said, referring to an ill-fated battleship in the Spanish-American War, in 1898. “I would guess not too many people today remember the Maine.”

Still, for many older Americans, the parallels between Pearl Harbor and the 9/11 attacks are obvious, Wert said. Both were surprise attacks that profoundly affected the nation’s people.

“The same issues persisted afterward,” he said. “Should we have known and could you connect the dots?”

Grant Goodman, an 87-year-old retired KU Japanese historian, gave a presentation on Pearl Harbor last year with Wilson from the point of view of the Japanese.

“People today have no idea what the people in Japan suffered” after the war, Goodman said.

The booming economy of Japan today bears little reflection of the difficult post-war times. But the world’s technology is advancing at a far greater pace.

“Seventy years in today’s world is like hundreds of years, years ago,” Goodman said. “You talk about World War II, you may as well be talking about the Trojan War.”


just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

"Awareness" would be a more appropriate term for this than "memory." The great majority of people alive right now weren't alive in 1941, so there is no way they can have a memory of the attack.

For that matter, unless you were there at the time, you also can't have a memory of it.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

I wonder if you have a valid point. I personally have no recollection of World War II (1939 - 1945), World War I (1914 – 1918), the Spanish - American war (1897 – 1898) or of the Mexican - American war (1846 - 1848).

That certainly doesn't mean they didn't happen, though.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

Having knowledge or awareness of a past event is not the same thing as having a memory of it.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

Half the time I'm not serious. Like the old proverb: "You have to laugh to keep from crying."

Fred Whitehead Jr. 6 years, 1 month ago

You are correct, bozo, but that is pretty much the way that historical perception is. Today we have a cadre of historical revisionists that were not alive at the time who will glom on to the notion that Roosevelt (a Democrat) knew about the attack and failed to act. There are those who will cry and bleat that we should appologise to the Imperial Japanese Navy for the irritation to their piliots from the noise of the exploding battleships and bombs. And there are probably those who will blame Obama, since he was born in Hawaii, but not yet alive at that time. Isn't modern perspective on history great??

ignatius_j_reilly 6 years, 1 month ago

Well, since it can take us from "The U.S. was faultless in WWII" to "Well, the U.S. performed admirably, but there were some Japanese-American internment camps" -- yeah, modern perspective on history is great. And essential.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

"History is written by the victors." - Machiavelli, but also attributed to Napoleon, Winston Churchill, Adolf Hitler, and perhaps others (its exact source appears to be somewhat questionable)

"The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." - Hegel

"Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." - The Queen, in 'Through the Looking Glass', by Lewis Carroll

Kirk Larson 6 years, 1 month ago

It happens. I remember GHW Bush commemorating the sacrifice our soldiers made on September 7th.

StirrrThePot 6 years, 1 month ago

I remember that too! What's even more appalling about this slip is the fact GHWB himself was a veteran of WWII.

beatrice 6 years, 1 month ago

I blame the collective lack of awareness of Pearl Harbor on the bad movie of the same name. Director Michael Bay and actor Ben Affleck needed to do a better job.

While I kid, I'm not wrong. How many young people do you know who aren't aware of the tragedy of the Titanic?

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

Very few! And of the vast majority of those who do know about it, if you were to ask them to rank in order all of the ships that have sunk in history by the number of people that were killed in the disaster, almost none would be able to correctly assign the Titanic exactly where where it ranks:

Number Five.

patkindle 6 years, 1 month ago

most younger people dont remember or care about the alamo , wwi, wwii, korean or vietman wars plus 9-11 was just a political fluke and was not done by muslim terrorists they love everyone except the people live lived, worked, and died for them so they could live off the rest of us

short_one 6 years, 1 month ago

Ummm, to mix the Alamo in with WWI or WWII is a complete joke. Please revisit your history books.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

I think he was talking about wars in general. After all, he also discussed the Korean and Vietnam wars. And, as an aside he misspelled "Vietnam".

If you want to look up the correct spelling of "Vietnam", all you have to do is look at the bottom of your Hewlett - Packard laser printer, and look for the word that follows "Made in".

Don Whiteley 6 years, 1 month ago

Actually, how many remember that before and at the beginning of the war, the country was actually spelled Viet Nam, as it still is today when spelled in English by Vietnamese writers. Like good Americans, we had to screw up the spelling to make it more American.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

I think he was talking about wars in general. After all, he also discussed the Korean and Vietnam wars. And, as an aside he misspelled "Vietnam".

If you want to look up the correct spelling of "Vietnam", all you have to do is look at the bottom of your Hewlett - Packard laser printer, and look for the word that follows "Made in".

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

Damn: All of you should learn from my mistake - do not click again if the website takes a while to respond!

gl0ck0wn3r 6 years, 1 month ago

Ted Wilson is a great professor. His WWII class was one of the best classes I ever took at KU.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

A friend of mine inherited a diary from a diseased relative that was alive during World War II. There weren't very many entries in it, but there was one that I really wanted to see. To this very day I can quote exactly and in its entirety what he wrote in his diary on the day of the attack on Pearl Harbor:

December 7, 1941: The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor today.

beatrice 6 years, 1 month ago

What disease did this friend's relative have?

Sorry, just couldn't help myself. It just made me chuckle. I believe the word you were looking for was "deceased."

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

Good catch, I didn't proofread very carefully! He died of the effects of alcoholism, is what I was told.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

Bea? Considering what he died of, it was grammatically correct!

Boston_Corbett 6 years, 1 month ago

Yoeman writes: "Today we have a cadre of historical revisionists that were not alive at the time..."

Don't forget, this cadre includes our Bozo who repeatedly slants the historical record regarding Truman's use of the atomic bomb in ending the war with Japan.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

No, I merely argue against the "slant" that the motivation for the use of the Bomb was wholly pure and divinely heroic.

Boston_Corbett 6 years, 1 month ago

I've never argued that. But neither was the principal motivation of the use of the weapon an anti-Soviet strategic tactic, as you have posited.

If we were so divinely heroic, we would have not intentionally engaged in incendiary carpet bombing campaigns that killed so many more civilians than the atomic bomb.

We like to take pride that this was not our (the US's) principal practice (carpet bombing) in the European theater (indeed it was for the British), but it sure the heck was in Japan.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

All I've ever really argued is that there was a whole set of (sometimes conflicting) motivations, and they probably all played some part in the decision that was reached.

Included among those motivations was a belief (by some) that Japan had to be brought totally to its knees before it would surrender, and only by dropping the bombs could a full-scale invasion be avoided. But there's a good deal of evidence that not only were those not the only motivations, they weren't even the primary ones.

The fog of history means we'll never know exactly why 250,000 or so Japanese (almost all of them civilians) were incinerated in those two bomb blasts.

blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

I think the point is that had the U.S. invaded the Japanese mainland we would have lost tens of thousands more troops, and probably ended up killing most of the remaining Japanese population in order to get Hirohito to surrender. Consider what happened at Okinawa. As for the revisionists, I think the fact that some Americans considered the Japanese to be little yellow people, thus making it easier to justify dropping the A-bombs on them, is a load of bull. The U.S. 8th Air Force bombed Germany by day, and the RAF bombed Germany by night, and if the A-bombs had been ready we probably would have dropped one on Berlin. But I've never read or heard of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki characterized as "pure and divinely heroic."

tomatogrower 6 years, 1 month ago

Then there was the Soviet Union starting to get involved, and this marked the real beginning of the Cold War. The US did not want to share the defeat with the Soviet Union as they did in Europe. Let's not just isolate an incident in history. Much of it is connected. That's why it's so vital to learn about history, and not just memorize a bunch of dates and isolated facts.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

I have no doubt that at least part of the reason it was actually used was to justify the staggering cost of the Manhattan Project.

The Manhattan Project employed more than 130,000 people and cost nearly $2 billion (roughly equivalent to $24.4 billion as of 2011).

Of course, this is all so very easy to talk about after the fact.

Don Whiteley 6 years, 1 month ago

Forgot about the 800,000 to 1.2 million American lives it was projected to cost if we invaded Japan. The bomb was dropped just to justify the expenditure of money?

Don Whiteley 6 years, 1 month ago

Hate to tell you, but it was not just today. Revisionist history also happens while events are taking place...just look at Vietnam. General Giap, leader of the People's Army of (North) Vietnam, wrote in his memoirs that the 1968 Tet Offensive had been his worst failure of the war. However, media in America twisted it into a terrible loss for America. After Tet, General Giap was convinced they needed to go to the peace table to end the war. Only later when he saw the reaction in America did he counsel Ho Chi Minh to continue the war. In that case, American media wrote revisionist history while it was happening that resulted in 5 more years of war and thousands more American dead.

classclown 6 years, 1 month ago

I think it's a case of knowing someone that was involved in it. I think most of us here are old enough that we know/knew at least one person that fought or otherwise served during the war. That sort of kept it alive for us.

Younger people don't have that. No grandpa or uncle or someone telling about their time over there or anyone even to relate their experiences here as a result of the war such as rationing. I remember my mother showing me a book of ration stamps, the last book she had when rationing came to an end.

Stuff like that makes it real to us as opposed to being something that happened in the past and has become relegated to being a history lesson.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

One of my great uncles served in the Pacific theater in WW II. He sailed away across the Pacific towards Japan to take part in the invasion of mainland Japan, and he certainly did not expect to come back alive. The most he hoped for was that his body would be shipped back home so he could be buried with the rest of his family.

Then, the bombs were dropped and ended the war.

He never talked about it at all, ever. And for the rest of his life, he never, ever rode in a car that had been made in Japan.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

PS: There's not much doubt he was going to take out as many Japanese as he could before he died, civilians or not.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

Oh, one more thing. He was very skilled at shooting rabbits for dinner, he was a damn good shot. Those farm boys really know how to shoot. And, the Army had issued him with a gun that had a really fast repeat!

blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

Yes, I've noticed that my memory of December 11, 1914 is beginning to fade, although I remember Gettysburg as though it were yesterday.

Boston_Corbett 6 years, 1 month ago

There is a difference between 1) accusing Roosevelt of possessing advance knowledge of the attack, and 2) arguing Roosevelt should not have been totally shocked when it happened. I disagree with the former, but tend to agree with the later.

What is more clear, is that the President, the White House, and Pentagon tried to avoid all responsibility and blame. Instead they threw two mid-level military commanders under the bus, who were totally out of the loop of critical intelligence information at the time, while the Pentagon hid these key "smoking gun" intercepts and evaluations from several subsequent congressional, executive, and military investigations. Their conduct was close to criminal, if not just dishonest and dishonorable, in my personal view.

Read: Infamy: Pearl Harbor and its Aftermath, by Pulitzer wining author John Toland

blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

Perhaps there was no smoking gun. Perhaps, like 9/11, we had bits and pieces of intelligence which no one put together. In the aftermath of something like Pearl Harbor or 9/11 it's always easier to connect the dots.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

Oh yes, Pearl Harbor and its infamous aftermath, which resulted in the deaths of about 2.5 million Japanese.

And, The Empire of Japan's invasion of China that resulted in the deaths of about 15 to 20 million Chinese, most of which were civilians.

These things should be kept in perspective.

I wonder if future generations will learn from it. If the history of the human race is any indicator, probably not.

"One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin

I wonder how many of the people who are wringing their hands about the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki know much about "the comfort women" that were available for the enjoyment and pleasure of the Japanese Army?

They were Chinese women that were kidnapped and forced to work as prostitutes, without pay.

Don Whiteley 6 years, 1 month ago

Most of the books I've read said the actual number will never be known, but the number of Chinese deaths was probably upward of 22 million. History has already forgotten these Chinese, many of whom died from Japanese atrocities that made the Nazis look tame in comparison. You'll find hundreds of history books talking about the holocaust, which indeed must also be remembered. But it always saddens me that very few books go into the far worse atrocities suffered by the Chinese people.

blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

Oh, are you suggesting the Republicans wouldn't have put Japanese Americans in the internment camps?

blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

Okay, so if a Republican had been in the White House in 1941 the U.S. wouldn't have entered WW2? We would have turned the other cheek when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor?

My point is that you are implying that Democrats did all these terrible things. Bad Democrats. It's a non-issue. People lined up outside of recruiting offices on the morning after Pearl Harbor. Just Democrats I suppose.

You can't reduce history to a story of Bad Democrats doing bad things and Good Republicans doing good things.

blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

Oh, and let's not forget, it was Bad Democrat Obama who finally got Bin Laden.

blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

And Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, a Republican from Kansas. Oh, okay, so he was just following orders from that Bad Democrat, and probably socialist, FDR.

blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

"A conspiracy theory is a belief which explains an event as the result of a secret plot by exceptionally powerful and cunning conspirators to achieve a malevolent end. The appeal of conspiracism is threefold: First, conspiracy theories claim to explain what institutional analysis cannot. They appear to make sense out of a world that is otherwise confusing. Second, they do so in an appealingly simple way, by dividing the world sharply between the forces of light and the forces of darkness. They trace all evil back to a single source, the conspirators and their agents. Third, conspiracy theories are often presented as special, secret knowledge unknown or unappreciated by others. For conspiracy theorists, the masses are a brainwashed herd, while the conspiracy theorists in the know can congratulate themselves on penetrating the plotters' deceptions."

blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

So Roosevelt, a Democrat, and not a "normal" person, would have stopped the attack on Pearl Harbor, which he knew was going to happen. How would he have stopped it? What did he know, and when did he know it? And what about Europe? I guess we should have stayed out of that one as well. Let the Nazis take over all of Europe. I suppose, according to your logic, the entire involvement of the U.S. in WW2 can be "blamed" on FDR, a Democrat.

jonas_opines 6 years, 1 month ago

You're spending an awful lot of time trying to convince someone who is not worth any of it, of something that they will not be convinced of.


blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

Let's see....

Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy.

Americans didn't really land on the moon.

The organized mass murder of Jews by the Nazis never happened.

Fluoride in the water is a plot by the government something.

The 9/11 attacks were a hoax.

Obama wasn't born in the United States.

Angela Lansbury is a communist agent.

The world is controlled by a secret group of people who might have something to do with symbols on U.S. currency.

Have I left anything out?

blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

Geez, no wonder The Government is so broke. It's not just the tax-and-spend liberals. It's from having to pay off so many people to keep their mouths shut about what is REALLY going on!

tomatogrower 6 years, 1 month ago

Before the last couple of decades people considered themselves US citizens first. Political affiliation and toeing a strict party line didn't come first. Solving the countries problems, whether or not it was a depression or power hungry countries, like Japan and Germany. Now many radicals in both parties and the Libertarians, identify with their political party before they identify with any kind of country loyalty. Fortunately, most people are not radicals, but there seems to be no end of radical candidates, which make truly patriotic Americans frustrated at election time.

George_Braziller 6 years, 1 month ago

“Seventy years in today’s world is like hundreds of years, years ago,” Goodman said. “You talk about World War II, you may as well be talking about the Trojan War.”

I was just talking to someone about this very thing this morning. I was born in 1961 and when I was a kid the end of WWII was a relatively recent event. The evening news was still covering the rebuilding and recovery efforts in Europe and there were often film clips included with the story.

At the time I thought it was ancient history. I was in high school before it really hit me that only 15 years had passed between the end of WWII and when I was born.

Now I have shirts older than that.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

"the Trojan War"?

You're putting me on!

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

Kiddin' ya, will people ever learn that I'm to be taken seriously only about half the time?

puddleglum 6 years, 1 month ago

this younger generation member will NEVER forget the JAPANESE attack on pearl harbor.

It was a cowardly attack meant to force the U.S. into submission via destroying all of our air craft carriers and their supporting fleet. It was our fortune that our carriers were out of harbor, practicing excercises away from pearl.

How any american can allow themself to purchase a 'new' japanese car is beyond me. and I don't even want to hear about how your stupid toyota was built in Tennessee. that is only a sorry crowning achievement that the Japanese figured out how to manipulate the workers and the buyers, while we wallowed in the downward sprial of labor vs. RICH. All of the profits still go to Japan, and the workers jobs came from detroit-so don't even bother about 'how many jobs' these clowns say they create.

but anyway, ANY vet that drives a toyota is a traitor.

gimme a sandwich.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

If you bought a Ford or Chevrolet and then removed every part in it that had been made in Japan, there is no way it would run.

puddleglum 6 years, 1 month ago

If you buy a ford or chevy and it runs for more than 30K is a miracle. my Dodge has NO japanese parts in it whatsoever. It runs great. in fact, it has already outlasted your prius.

CreatureComforts 6 years, 1 month ago

I'm a history buff too and what the Japanese did 70 years ago is inexcusable, was SEVENTY years ago. Today, the Japanese are a relatively peaceful, prosperous nation of people who, in many cases, were not alive back in 1941...and those who were had no control over the Japanese attack of Pearl Harbor. To hold a great nation hostage like that is inexcusable...

Should the Japanese population never buy anything American made because we threw a huge number of their relatives in our prisons during that time simply for having Japanese blood in them? Sure, not as many people died, but how would you feel if the Japanese refused to buy anything American because of something our great grandparents did? Not very fair...

voevoda 6 years, 1 month ago

puddleglum, By your logic, maybe Americans shouldn't forgive the British for attempting to quash our nascent independence. Maybe Americans shouldn't forgive Spain for blowing up the Maine. And, since fair is fair, we shouldn't expect the Iraqis, the Vietnamese, the Germans, the Canadians, etc. to forgive us for invading their countries.

puddleglum 6 years, 1 month ago

can't blame em if they do. we 'stole' our independence from Great Britain. they were unable to stop us, so that is on them. Spain is insignificant. always will be. Germans take the cake when it comes to starting a war.
Canadians have been living off our back for years, we should take over that chunk of ice and use it for prisons. No buildings, just fences. and Kodiak bears can keep guard.

gimme a drink

blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

I wouldn't call the Japanese cowardly by any means. They mistakenly, foolishly thought that they could destroy our Pacific Fleet, rendering us unable to prevent their takeover of the western Pacific.

blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

Anyway, the Chinese are winning without firing a shot. Keep those tax breaks for the billionaires! They're the ones who create jobs! Jobs in China!

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

There was a huge cultural difference between the way the Americans and the Japanese viewed war at the time WW II was fought.

Japan was a rather small island that had a very long history of small feudal kingdoms prior to WW II. The way wars were usually ended was with a truce, which then marked the new demarcation line between the feudal kingdoms. Then, the war was over.

Many historians claim that the Japanese never really intended to march across the United States mainland and force Washington, D.C. to surrender. Instead, they expected that the war would define a new demarcation line somewhere in the Pacific Ocean that would define the areas of American and Japanese influence. Then, the war would end.

At the very top levels in Japan, at least in a very abstract way, that's the way they thought the war would probably end, somewhat by attrition.

But the Americans did not view it that way at all, instead it was to be a war that was to be ended with a total and complete surrender by Japan. Nothing short of that would be acceptable.

It was actually an East/West cultural clash in that respect.

That's the case with a lot of wars - cultural attitudes are simply very different, which leads to very large misunderstandings. If there were more sociologists studying the psychological reasons and motivations for the wars that do occur, I think there would be fewer of them, and perhaps they would be more limited in scope.

Boston_Corbett 6 years, 1 month ago

Blabber and FalseHopeNoChange

Dual trolls.

blabber 6 years, 1 month ago

Right you are, sir. For a while there I found myself provoking a pointless argument with someone whom I will never agree with about some things. Why bother? This LJW comment thing is for folks with nothing better to do. Adios!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

Isn't anything anybody ever does always the best thing they feel they can find to do at any given moment?

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

Not always, it depends on if I think I'll get away with it.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

Years ago, my fellow graduate student and friend, Hiroshi, used to have an annual Pearl Harbor Day party. He always made some great sushi.

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 1 month ago

It would be very interesting if there was a "cull the herd" event that happened a couple times a year on this forum.

That is, the editors and reporters would look at all the comments someone had made over the last six months, decide if they were worthwhile contributors, and then decide who would be allowed to continue to comment here.

beatrice 6 years, 1 month ago

... and who would then have to log back on under a new name in order to continue.

Sadly, when they do "cull the herd," so to speak, the herd comes right back from the dead. Plenty of the zombie herd around here already to know that plan won't work.

FlintlockRifle 6 years, 1 month ago

If you have been there it will shake your memories, just walk the ramp in the picture and your heart starts to rev up, just such a sad day in USA past, yes I guess they do not teach this in school anymore, in fact what do they teach our youngesters anymore??,

Loki 6 years, 1 month ago

I fear with the loss of our older generations that the true horrors of such a grand war will be lost also. A great war today would be drastically different from that of WWI or WWII and probably more horrific with WMDs that are out there.

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