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Lack of use takes a toll on South Lawrence Trafficway bridge

This photo, taken Sunday, shows a view that looks east across the bridge with a car, below, heading north on Iowa Street. The supports holding the bridge up are rated in "good" condition by state inspectors. A bridge less than a mile to the west — one that actually carries trafficway traffic — has supports rated in "very good" condition.

This photo, taken Sunday, shows a view that looks east across the bridge with a car, below, heading north on Iowa Street. The supports holding the bridge up are rated in "good" condition by state inspectors. A bridge less than a mile to the west — one that actually carries trafficway traffic — has supports rated in "very good" condition.

August 29, 2011

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SLT paving ahead

Before construction begins on extending the South Lawrence Trafficway, the highway’s existing portion will get a fresh coast of asphalt.

The project is slated for next summer, running from Kansas Highway 10’s connection with the Kansas Turnpike at the northwestern edge of Lawrence to the existing bridge that crosses U.S. Highway 59 at the southern tip of town.

Expect the work to last anywhere from 30 to 35 days and involve stopping traffic temporarily for sections at a time. It’s a two-lane highway so there’s no room for maintaining two-way traffic while a stretch of a lane is being worked on.

“It’ll be a pilot car situation,” said Earl Bosak, area engineer for the Kansas Department of Transportation, which is making plans for the work. “It’ll be a mess for a little bit.”

The project calls for applying a thin layer of pavement — likely one inch thick — atop the existing road surface, Bosak said.

The trafficway’s bridges will not get new surfaces, but the concrete “approach slabs” leading up to each one will be replaced, Bosak said.

Turns out a road not traveled still yields to Mother Nature and Father Time.

A highway bridge that crosses Iowa Street, at the eastern edge of the South Lawrence Trafficway, is showing minor signs of wear despite never carrying any traffic during its entire life.

No tractor-trailers, pickup trucks, SUVs, school buses, sports cars, bicycles or anything else with wheels have traveled across the 174.5-foot-long bridge for the past 15 years, while the remainder of the nearly 9-mile-long trafficway accommodates anywhere from 5,000 to more than 10,000 vehicles per day.

“It’s the ‘Bridge to Nowhere’ right now,” said Earl Bosak, area engineer for the Kansas Department of Transportation. “Anything that man builds deteriorates, especially if you don’t use it — I don’t care if it’s a house or a bridge or a car or anything. If you just leave it sit, it will deteriorate faster than if you use it.”

The bridge is far from dilapidated, according to the department’s most recent bridge inspection. On a scale of 1 to 10, with a 10 indicating pristine conditions, both the bridge’s deck and superstructure rate an 8, or “very good.”

An inspection in May 2010 indicated that the bridge’s substructure, or vertical support systems, rated a 7, or “good.” While that remains far from any level of concern — “That bridge’ll be there probably 60 years,” Bosak said — the rating is one notch below the “very good” assigned to another bridge that had been built at the same time less than a mile to the west.

That trafficway bridge nearby, over Yankee Take Creek, carries 5,820 vehicles per day.

“If it just sits there, nature will take its course faster than if you use it,” said Bosak, who is responsible for more than 600 miles of state highways in Douglas, Osage, Lyon and half of Wabaunsee counties. “You’re maintaining it if you use it. But if you don’t use it, you don’t maintain it. … Sweeping the deck and those kinds of things? We don’t do that because there’s no traffic.”

There’s no traffic on the bridge over Iowa Street because the trafficway is incomplete. Original plans called for running the highway through the Baker Wetlands to a connection with the existing Kansas Highway 10 at the southeastern edge of Lawrence, near Noria Road.

That portion of the project ran into opposition from people who objected to the trafficway for environmental, cultural, historical and financial reasons, and the Sierra Club and other groups went to court to stop it. In the 15 years since the western portion of the trafficway opened, the so-called “eastern leg” of the project went through a redesign that calls for expanding the wetlands, opening a wetlands education center and relocating the southern extensions of Louisiana Street and Haskell Avenue to reduce automotive impacts on people, plants and animals in and around the wetlands.

The new version — which still would connect to the bridge over Iowa Street, which is U.S. Highway 59 — now is slated for construction. The first bids on the $192 million project are expected to be considered in September 2013.

If the trafficway were completed, the inactive bridge finally would find itself rumbling with the activity its concrete deck, steel girders, concrete abutments and elastomeric bearings were designed to handle.

Only under the weight of thousands of vehicles a day will the bridge yield its true condition, Bosak said.

“After we put traffic on it, that first year, that first inspection will tell us a lot,” said Bosak, whose department now inspects bridges on the trafficway and elsewhere twice a year. “I suspect we’ll inspect it at six months, and then a year after we open it. Things we can’t see now would probably show up.”

At least once a week, Bosak’s crews run diagnostics by driving every mile of every road and bridge under their jurisdiction.

And for at least a few more years, the trips will continue to exclude a single stretch that runs for 174.5 feet over Iowa Street — a bridge that remains sealed off from traffic by eight metal traffic signs, getting older and facing the elements.

Comments

Mike Ford 3 years, 5 months ago

When KDOT, The Army Corps of Engineers, The Douglas County Commissioners, the Republicans, and the developers tried to run roughshod over federally recognized indigenous nations and federal law, they lost. Yes the battle is still being raged. But in an environment with budget cutting and costs going higher and higher is this road even feasable? I've heard from all the anti-regulationary people, the racists, and the historically clueness denizens of this community for over a decade now... oh, all the Indians came in August and left in May...why should anyone listen to them? Some of them make Lawrence their home as adults. Some of them have lived here for decades. It is plainly evident to me why the GOP and Tea party people hate regulations... they would've overran all of the concerned parties and considered their actions the American way if it wasn't for those darn regulations...they almost sound like the criminals that were always caught on Scooby Doo by Fred and Daphne and the bunch lamenting that they can't rewrite the laws to sanctify their environmentally lawless desires to benefit west Lawrence and all it's unsuccessful strip mall developments. I'm reminded that the fight for indigenous rights goes on every day I go under that bridge.

Armored_One 3 years, 5 months ago

Oh give it a rest, will ya?

Those "indigenous" people that you are referring to came across a land bridge from the Asian continent about 10-12 thousand years ago, so technically, theyt aren't indigenous.

If, however, you choose the argument of being born in an area as the main criteria, then 99.9% of the legal residents of Kansas are indigenous, since the last 3 or 4 generations, at least, were born in Kansas.

You rant and you rave about all these injustices, but I don't see you smacking away the money the government spends on protected lands. I don't see you turning down the luxury of operating a casino on reservation land. You just want the money and that's it. Sorry Charlie, but that's not how it works in the really real world.

Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 5 months ago

Um, the earth is only like 6,000 years old. Sort of blows a big hole in your fairy tale about land bridges.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 5 months ago

Based upon literalism, we're in the year 5771, to be exact.

MarcoPogo 3 years, 5 months ago

Did you just call people "clueness"? Thanks for the smile.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

Just so you amoral bad-doers can have five minutes of convenience, right?

lunacydetector 3 years, 5 months ago

wouldn't it be nice if the majority of citizens who voted for and passed the SLT 20 years ago could band together and sue the socks off and win damages against the people who tied up its completion in court? it would be a fitting end to their hatred.

somebodynew 3 years, 5 months ago

Sign me up, I would contribute to that cause. However, I do think your last sentence is fanciful. There will be no end to their hatred unless the world capitulates to their demands and removes all the road and restores everything in the world to their ideas.

doc1 3 years, 5 months ago

I've got $3,500 to chip in on a lawsuit against those guys. I don't care if it's frivolous and my money goes to waste. I just want them to be sued.

Armored_One 3 years, 5 months ago

I have to wonder how much of the budget shortfall is their fault. Granted, getting a full list of the fools involved with the fiasco of trying to stop progress would be like pulling teeth out of a tiger while it's eating.

I'm all for counter suing on the basis of economic hardship, if the costs of the court cases they have hammered down everyone's thoats is enough to justify such a charge.

In lieu of financial settlements, I think signing a piece of paper stating that they will no longer persue any legal actions that would include, but not be limited to, blocking the progress of the SLT and other actions associated with that kind of an action.

Failure to adhere to the document would result in an immediate fortiture of the amount of the settlement as it pertains to that person, group of people or business. Bet ya that will shut it down wholly and completely if a few thousand dollars or more were to suddenly be deemed payable immediately.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

And what would the grounds for the lawsuit be?

I don't think you can sue someone for using the legal system to rightly pointing out corruption, greed and theft.

fdalpd 3 years, 5 months ago

Somebody's sarcasm radar is turned off or low on batteries today..."Wouldn't it be nice..."

Carol Bowen 3 years, 5 months ago

I voted for a bypass that would hopefully be south of the river. I thought the other possible routes were not far enough south to be a bypass. To me a bypass is for the distance traveler who does not want to tangle with local traffic.

Carol Bowen 3 years, 5 months ago

I also thought the bypass should go straight east to I35.

Scott Drummond 3 years, 5 months ago

"it would be a fitting end to their hatred."

The "their" in this statement might be construed as ambiguous, but then a quick review of this, or any other article on the SLT reveals where the true hatred lies.

So far we have, gross exaggeration, cries for restitution and calls for the very unAmerican barring of certain people's access to the courts.

As is typically the case with right wingers and their willing dupes, the reality is that they are guilty of the very thing they complain so loudly about. Whether homosexual paranoia, the howls of imagined illegality by a "socialist" President when they themselves wish to deny due process or bemoaning the oppressive overreach of the too large federal government while legislating morality, the hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty of the right wingers never cease to amaze.

jlzack 3 years, 5 months ago

yes it would.... and the wetlands have actually grown since the 1970's...... it used to be a small puddle & now is this nasty mosquito infested swamp...

jlzack 3 years, 5 months ago

yes it would.... and the wetlands have actually grown since the 1970's...... it used to be a small puddle & now is this nasty mosquito infested swamp...

Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

Let's all move back to Africa and leave the continent to the mammoths and giant ground sloths. Wouldn't that be jolly fun?

Cant_have_it_both_ways 3 years, 5 months ago

I would assume that Tuschy works at Haskell. If so, he has no problem taking the white mans money, while all along badmouthing the one that is paying for his bigotry.

Kind of like complaining about a farmer with your mouth full.

Happy Columbus day there Tushy!

Scott Drummond 3 years, 5 months ago

Or asserting the moral high ground while enjoying a society built upon stolen lands and the work of slaves. You seem very willing to accept those injustices as a given. Have you ever stopped to wonder why?

John Hamm 3 years, 5 months ago

Bridge was a stupid decision on KDOT's part. Either it should not have been built or (and this would have been a much better decision) the ramps leading to and from it allowing Northbound access and egress would've saved a few accidents and, just as importantly, one heck of a lot of unwasted gasoline as vehicles sat there waiting for traffic signals to change. No, spend millions on the bridge but not a couple hundred thousand on ramps. No thinking caps there (KDOT) either!

Mike Ford 3 years, 5 months ago

tuschie is going to work in about seven minutes after reading all of this nonsense. Halito, onnat hinli nahollo ilbasha, sa hochiffo ut mike....sa okla ut chahta okla hannali...nittak falaya, anumpa ahalabi haklo li. Chahta imanumpa ish anumpuli hinla ho? oh for the american immigrants who speak english only and can be laughed at by the Europeans and others who speak a number of languages...I just spoke Choctaw...one of hundreds of languages that were spoken before the single language dimwits got here. Choctaw was used as a code language by the US Military in World War One. It's nice to know that new dimwits have appeared every year since this road was proposed... like most americans these days being offensive and half informed is championed so that people like me can refute you...chipisalichikki, nahollo ilbasha...I'll being passing under this road in about fifteen minutes...how I love your idiocy.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 5 months ago

Since we're communicating in this forum in English, which is a language that consists of a combination of at least a dozen different languages, I think you're stretching a point.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 5 months ago

The spirit and identity of a nation involves much more than literature and scientific papers, in case you didn't know.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

About the same way you wrote yours in the indigenous English alphabet.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 5 months ago

While the Choctaw language was used to a very limited extent during World War One, it saw its greatest use during World War Two.

During World War Two, a number of new words for military equipment were invented for the code, all were simply ordinary words in Choctaw that meant something else when used for code talking.

Even native speakers of the Navajo language were unable to understand the codes that were used by the Navajo Code Talkers, because a knowledge of Choctaw alone was not sufficient to understand the code in its entirety.

So, it's mostly remembered for its use in World War Two, not World War One.

a clip from: http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq61-2.htm

"As of 1945, about 540 Navajos served as Marines. From 375 to 420 of those trained as code talkers; the rest served in other capacities."

MarcoPogo 3 years, 5 months ago

Somehow, this response will get accused of being racist.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 5 months ago

Yes, probably. My ancestors homesteaded on land that once belonged to the Cheyennes. But at least, it's called "Cheyenne County".

And, our high school football team is called "The Indians", although all the Natives are long gone.

To see an actual Cheyenne Native American in Cheyenne county would certainly be an oddity.

Armored_One 3 years, 5 months ago

I find this laughable in so many ways it's not even funny.

None of the "native" languages were based in language that was built around an alphabet. They were phonetic, at best, and never truly regulated the way alto-eurasiac or germanic languages were and still are.

For you to use letters of the alphabet to spell words that never were defined by letters is a joke, at the very least, considering your numerous rants about how the 'invaders' and 'squatters' abuse the poor, defenseless natives. I know for a fact that you posted one rant about how speaking your language was punished harshly by missionaries.

Asiatic languages are built on much the same principle as native languages, and are just as moronic when translated into letters instead of characters that represent sounds, not individual letters.

Just another fine example of your hypocracy, not that you truly care.

Carol Bowen 3 years, 5 months ago

Not so. Sequoyah was a linguist. Members of his tribe could read and write when non-natives around them could not.

Carol Bowen 3 years, 5 months ago

Sequoyah (ᏍᏏᏉᏯ Ssiquoya, as he signed his name,[2][3] or ᏎᏉᏯ Se-quo-ya, as his name is often spelled today in Cherokee) (ca. 1770–1843), named in English George Gist or George Guess, was a Cherokee silversmith who in 1821 completed his independent creation of a Cherokee syllabary, making reading and writing in Cherokee possible. This was the only time in recorded history that a member of an illiterate people independently created an effective writing system.[1][4] After seeing its worth, the people of the Cherokee Nation rapidly began to use his syllabary and officially adopted it in 1825. Their literacy rate rapidly surpassed that of surrounding European-American settlers.[1] -Wikipedia

Armored_One 3 years, 5 months ago

Okay, Cherokee can be scratched off the list.

Sioux, Choctaw, Apache, Navajo... how many 'native' languages are still not even close to being viewed int he same light.

Not to mention that these languages have existed, at least in theory, for at least 6 thousand years, but not until the 'white man' shows up does Cherokee get a written form?

JohnBrown 3 years, 5 months ago

Another Republican monument to wasteful spending. Perhaps we could turn it into a national monument memorializing the Bush administration's and the Republican Congress' (including Gov. Brownbeck) $5 trillion spending spree that bought us the current depression. (After all, after 10 years of tax cuts, wheres the economic growth?)

drake 3 years, 5 months ago

In 1994 Bill Clinton was President and Joan Finney was Governor. Republicans indeed.

Scott Drummond 3 years, 5 months ago

But the KDOT was, as it always shall be, under the control of the highway builders and "developers."

Getaroom 3 years, 5 months ago

Technically, there are all kinds of deterioration. No need for an engineering degree to now that. All bridges are subject to weather and the environs whether traffic flows or does not. Neglect, maybe a bigger issue than anything and not to mention the budget to have road crews to get rid of imposing undergrowth. No traffic = no salt, no vibration, no side rail crashes, pot holes caused by traffic, that need repair. The belief that building the bridge would force the completion of the bypass was a folly of the bullies. When the LJW begins requiring people to show their names on the blog at least it might eliminate some of the more hateful racist banter. But I suppose it would also shut down some of the sometimes entertaining spectator based banter. Let's go for raising the IQ a bit LJW. There are other blogs where people of like mind can spew their racist views, but then no need to read any of it really. It's just politics and isn't everything?!

Prairielander 3 years, 5 months ago

"The belief that building the bridge would force the completion of the bypass was a folly of the bullies."

And it remains a testament to the arrogance of KDOT at that time.

verity 3 years, 5 months ago

I don't have a dog in this fight, so I'm not taking either side, but on reading the comments it certainly seems to me that the commenters calling the other side hateful are the ones that sound the most hateful themselves.

midwestmom 3 years, 5 months ago

Does anyone know if there has been any kind of 'study' on what the semi gridlock of traffic idling along 23rd Street is doing to the environment? Every time I'm behind a tractor trailer or any other large vehicle I feel like I'm inhaling a bunch of carcinogens. I also wonder about the carbon emissions and so on... Acting like the town is only 1,000 people doesn't make it so.

Phone_Man 3 years, 5 months ago

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LawrenceTownie 3 years, 5 months ago

South of Lawrence, where HWY 59 changes from a 4-lane to a 2-lane traffic, was supposed to be 4-lane all the way to the bottom of Pleasant Grove hill. As taxpayers, we purchased the land back in the early 1970's. When "new 59" was paved in 1974, "old 59" was removed. Those of us who drove the road everyday expected to see that new road paved on top of the removed one to make it a 4-lane road into Lawrence. Of course we are still waiting. And of course the paid for land is not being used for the new 4-lane which is slated to open in 2012, we had to repurchase land to the east to make it happen. This type of overspending of tax $$ is what has caused the problems we see today.

Perhaps the Dept. of Transportation can help the "bridge to nowhere" now, to keep it healthy. Open the bridge, put in "small" ramps on both sides so traffic can keep moving to merge into traffic. And do away with that light, it will not be needed once you put in the "small" ramps. Do not put in those wasteful "cloverleaf" ramps. Waste of land. Just look at the giant one down south where "new" HWY59 joins into I-35. Very wasteful of land use. Believe me, every time taxpayers who travel under that bridge daily, and know this story, know how wasteful our $$ have been spent in the past, and continue to be spent now. Wake up people.

KU_cynic 3 years, 5 months ago

Why did this story -- about a bridge to nowhere that has stood for 15 years -- deserve a banner headline on the front page of today's LJW?

Boston_Corbett 3 years, 5 months ago

my point exactly...

But evidently every time the LJW mentions the SLT, everyone's panties get in a wad.

So in a sense, writing more SLT articles is just a journalistic Pavlovian reflex.

Reuben Turner 3 years, 5 months ago

well i be.. i don't even know what bridge their refering to; guess i've never used it!!

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 5 months ago

The correct action has been taken, after 15 years.

The SLT will be built with the input and consideration of Haskell and of the wetlands supporters.

Too bad each side was too polarized 15 years ago to come up with a good solution. The proponents shut out any outside voice on the project, and the opponents dug in and went to court.

It just goes to show what strong arm tactics and ideological rigor (mortis) can do.

grimpeur 3 years, 5 months ago

Definitely should have been built a long time ago. And built according to the original plan.

melott 3 years, 5 months ago

Let's take a break from the 25-year old SLT argument. Doesn't anyone think that the claim that the bridge is wearing faster because it isn't used---sound a little bit stupid?

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 5 months ago

Maybe you could compare it to a car. If you leave a car parked for 15 years it would be amazing if the engine started the moment you turned the key.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

The Bridge to Nowhere is a perfect example of politicians wasting money thinking this would shove the obsolete design forward before the matter was settled in court. Reckless spending at its' finest. No integrity and no discipline.

Taxpayer approval should be required each step of the way because politicians think they are more than they are and too often have zero regard for the legal system.

Just think the money wasted on the bridge could have been spent on a 15th street exit instead.

independent_rebel 3 years, 5 months ago

Merrill, this project WAS approved by the taxpayers, just as your beloved, worthless Transit System, and just like the ridiculous Library expansion. It does not need to be approved again.

See, you are the biggest hypocrite on this site. Let me guess, Bush probably came up here in the 1980s and rigged the vote, right?

Mike Ford 3 years, 5 months ago

it's so nice that after a days work not at Haskell that some people sound as stupid as when I left for work this morning. I heard a statement a couple of weeks ago on the level of education in the US. This country ranks 25th in the world in educational knowledge and first in confidence which basically explains why there are so many people who act so informed and yet are clueless as evidenced by the nonsense others have spoken on here. This arrogance was on display with the building of said bridge a decade as it is with the posters on here. Armored One...Choctaw is a Muskeogan language related to tribes like the Chickasaw, Creek, Alibamu, and Koasati, and at least forty five other tribes between Florida, South Carolina, and Louisiana. Presbyterian Missionary Cyrus Byington created a 600 page Choctaw English dictionary and a Choctaw bible in Mississippi in the 1820's. There were over fifty churches whose services were entirely in the Choctaw language. Oklahoma is a Choctaw word meaning red people. Lastly for the chuckleheads saying that I should pay restitution for delaying the SLT...think about this....The Lower Elwha Klallam Tribe begged the Washington Department of Transportation not to build a bridge pontoon launching dock on land where this tribe knew there was a cemetery of their people. The state and the racists ended up ignoring their pleas and commenced building. In short order, 450 graves of Klallam people going back more than a century were desecreted and tribal members went to a warehouse to reclaim their ancestors. The WADOT project was abandoned after $43 million was spent and the State of Washington paid $6 million and transferred 19 acres of land to the tribe as restitution. Keep talking the bs on here and when your government is paying the same damages for ignoring us that Washington did to the Klallam Tribe maybe you'll wise up. Probably not though....

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 5 months ago

And just think, we live in Kansas, which was named for the Kansa Native Americans.

budwhysir 3 years, 5 months ago

The bridge to nowhere? why I oughta ah who cares. If we invest our money in items that are not intended to be used, just think how far ahead we will be in 600 years. Ah the wheels of progress turning slowly but in a forward direction

Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

Bridge to nowhere = dumb idea. 70% of voters approved the T and the funding. Voters also approved the library and the funding.

In 1971 the State Highway Commission recommended a bypass for Lawrence to be built south of the Wakarusa river. The bypass is far more practical for future highway demands. Douglas County might needs a bypass not a trafficway.

As a matter of practicality could KDOT consider two different proposals?

Number One: Scrap all other plans. The 32nd street plan will continue to be opposed that is a given. The 42nd street plan will come with stiff opposition from the original proponents of the 32nd street plan. This also is a given as Bob Johnson has stated publicly.

KDOT could then proceed to add two more lanes to the existing western leg thus safer travel for all users. Four lanes would likely draw more new traffic to I-70 which would be good.

Proceeding forward with the western leg could accomplish several things: • A George Williams Way(15th Street) interchange • A safer design for the YSI athletic fields • Ultimately much safer travel between Iowa and I-70

Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

Bridge wearing down due to non use,no road salt,no snow plows and no 18 wheelers hmmmmmm. Where did this thinking come from? If the bridge had been used this story would not be here...... food for thought.

Pork barrel projects = wasted and inefficient use of tax dollars.

Idea Number two: Bring Johnson,Douglas,Jefferson and Leavenworth county leaders together and suggest all assist in funding bridges across the Kansas River.

Residents and business of all four counties would benefit from the project. Also making additional use of I-70 again is fiscally responsible.

SAY NO to the high tax dollar obsolete Trafficway that will NOT improve 23rd street. The only way to improve 23rd is to SAY NO to KU students…… good luck on removing the ONLY dependable Lawrence revenue source. KU students make Lawrence what it is.

SAY YES to a no tax dollar bypass that can accomplish many things such as saving tax payers hundreds of millions of dollars.

According to a phone conversation HNTB consultants did study a South Of River route that would avoid the wetlands completely. It would connect to an existing K-10 interchange 1057/E1900 rd. Absolutely this option completely avoided the wetlands.

This could be a toll road thereby users, to include 18 wheelers, become a defacto benefit district.

This design was never presented to the public. Why did the proponents not want this design? Not enough pork barrel perhaps?

I-70 connectors east of Eudora were among the potential choices as well. This could be a toll road thereby users to include 18 wheelers help finance the project. This concept accomplishes many things.

The new I-70 connectors off K-10 going north, I-70 and the west leg of K-10 should all be toll roads. This combination provides a loop around Lawrence thus eliminating any need for further construction of new pork barrel highway projects.

Thus saving about $200,000,000 - $300,000,000(million) for us local taxpayers.

It also services: • Johnson and Douglas county traffic going to northwest Lawrence or Topeka. Or Lawrence and Topeka traffic going to JOCO. • the Eudora Business Park east of 1057. • East Hills Business Park and the southeast Lawrence industrial park. • the Lawrence airport. And it: • diverts traffic around the city. • keeps the SLT out of the wetlands. • reduces congestion for morning and afternoon commuters. • Douglas County taxpayers save millions upon millions of dollars. • Eliminates use of tax dollars. • Eliminates the need for an eastern bypass * Would not dump fast moving traffic off uncomfortably close to the congested city limits on to the K-10 speedway • allows KTA fees to pay for the highway and maintenance.

Now this plan is on to something….. many concepts built into one fiscally responsible plan = prudent thinking.

Pork barrel projects = wasted and inefficient use of tax dollars.

Carol Bowen 3 years, 5 months ago

Building the bridge before the county had clearance to do so insults due process and our judicial system. Aw, gee, we already have this built. We should be allowed to continue. Developers do this all the time. (See the recent artificial turf discussion.) The strategy is getting old. As for the county, they speculated and lost. I wonder if that will work against them in court.

Carol Bowen 3 years, 5 months ago

I also thought that the bypass should go straight east to I35.

Kawatchi 3 years, 5 months ago

Let's turn the bridge into a skate park. No white people allowed.

budwhysir 3 years, 5 months ago

I am glad to see that EVERYONE here is missing the point. The overall objective here is to understand that when this bridge was built, it was labeled as the bridge to nowhere. Therefor, it does not have to go anywhere. And the only people using it will be going nowhere so we should not complain about no maintenance on this bridge for it needs none. A few nice weeds and trees to look at on your way to nowhere is a good thing.

doc1 3 years, 5 months ago

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Prairielander 3 years, 5 months ago

I think most of the law "suites" have been played out, the environmental hurdles have been cleared, and the City /County have agreed to the 32nd St. B route. Now all that is lacking is funding. It is slated for a 2013 start, but it is an expensive project. Given the slash and burn budgetary policies of the current administration, we'll have to wait and see if the money is there in two years.

Mike Ford 3 years, 5 months ago

doc1, it's so nice to hear your threatening hyperbole....the douglas county sheriff's department and the FBI were called after your last threat on the wetlands a couple of memorial days ago....

Mike Ford 3 years, 5 months ago

you know doc1, you're not original....back in the 1970's and 1980's...Chippewa or Ojibwe Nations in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan went to the federal courts to re-affirm fishing rights that existed from ratified treaties with the US Government between the 1830's and the 1850's. Non-Indians and the three states tormented and harrassed these tribes as they tried to do what they'd done long before the United States existed...hunt and fish. The federal courts and the US Supreme Courts agreed with the tribes and acknowledged their treaty rights much to the anger of people that sound like you. People like you harrassed the Ojibwe fishermen destroying their boats and sabotageing their equipment. People like you put wood and prairie in front of the N word usually reserved for African Americans and had bumper stickers with sayings like "Save a Walleye, Spear an Indian". The treaty rights stood in spite of the fact that a couple of years ago an attempt was made by hating non Indian fisherman to get the Mille Lacs Reservation dis-established so that they could claim the Lake Mille Lacs area for sport fishing. Their attempt failed but we all bear the memory of people like you. This country should be so proud....

Scott Drummond 3 years, 5 months ago

How long would the dollars spent on this bridge have kept a Lawrence SRS office open?

Amy Albright 3 years, 5 months ago

What does this article tell us? 1. KDOT built a bridge knowing full well it might not be used 2. KDOT decided after building said bridge that it would not maintain that bridge unless it was used. 3. KDOT finds that said bridge is deteriorating faster than other bridges because they are not maintaining the bridge to no where. 4. The article doesn't tell us how much KDOT spent to reach this dastardly brilliant conclusion. Sounds bat poop crazy to me.

Mike Ford 3 years, 5 months ago

libertyone....I know many Ojibwe people whose parents and grandparents were the fisherman who were harrassed by anti treaty white fisherman in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan twenty five years ago..here's a snippet of evidence to refute your conservative caucasian denial...

Save a walleye, spear a pregnant squaw!' This ugly taunt was One of the rallying cries this spring for hundreds of angry whites in northern Wisconsin as they confronted a small number of Chippewas who sought to exercise a federally protected right to spearfish walleyed pike outside reservation boundaries. The racial taunts were accompanied by rock-throwing, shotgun blasts and games of "chicken" in which whites aimed speedboats at Indian spearfishers in canoes. Instead of condemning this lawless behavior, politicians from Wisconsin's Governor, Tommy Thompson, on down vied with one another to support the white protesters and criticize the Chippewas for exercising their treaty rights.

How could a northern state with a progressive tradition become such hospitable ground for flagrant racism? The strife on Wisconsin's lakes goes beyond who will catch the walleyes and by what method. In part the conflict between whites and Chippewas involves the meaning and implementation of Jacksonian-era land cession and removal treaties. Those treaties, particularly one 1837 pact, apply to an economically depressed area where whites and Indians alike struggle to make a living. Wisconsin's violence also reflects in a familiar way the divisive class and racial animosities prevalent in the Reagan-Bush era.

Fewer than 10,000 Chippewas now live on half a dozen small reservations in the northern third of Wisconsin. Considerable portions of the land within reservation boundaries are owned by whites, the result of turn-of-the-century land deals. Consequently, most Chippewas have been landless and desperately poor throughout the twentieth century. Their reservations sponsor a number. (This was in The Nation back in 1989, Libertyone...you don't like facts do you???)

Mike Ford 3 years, 5 months ago

dumb american pulling strings because he has no answer.....playing the denial card....how american

Lawrence Morgan 3 years, 5 months ago

Why not make the bridge into a garden and park? Have you read about New York City, which has made old above-street lines into a park that is miles long? And people love it. It sounds like a wild idea, but it's really taken off in New York City. You could even have small musical and special events on the bridge.

That's what should have been done when the newer bridge years ago crossed from North Lawrence into Lawrence. The old bridge would have been wonderful to walk over, and it could have colorful lights, and places to hang out, instead of being torn down.

Mike Ford 3 years, 5 months ago

libertyone....people here have to listen to your madeup utopian no government nonsense everytime you feel sooo important to blog or whatever. I was a history major at two colleges before I spent fifteen years educating myself on subjects that no George Will oriented college would teach. I showed a professor friend of mine from Haskell your comments and they stated what do you expect from the average American person. All of this was Indian land. All of this Thomas Paine and founding fathers bs goes nowhere if you have no stolen lands to live upon. I'll take it further by twisting the whole freedom isn't free mantra I see on veteran's cars from time to time. There was no AMERICAN FREEDOM without theft. All of this ranting about governments is futile if one goes back to their country of origin and they take their immigrant nahollo anumpuli with them. None of the Ojibwe fishing treaty rights stuff was made up but if you as the dumb american you sound like wants to wrap yourself in your first amendment right to sound as dumb as you want to be maybe that's your right. The problem with that is my parent had numerous Canadians ask him why do so many americans scream about the right to act as dumb as they do when he was on vacation?

Mike Ford 3 years, 5 months ago

educating is not making people look bad...I doubt you knew anything about the treaty rights example in Wisconsin...those people acted just as repugnantly as the poster who acted like getting home addresses of lawsuit plantiffs was a good veiled way of threatening others. Whether or not you realize this you live on land taken at fire sale value in 1825, 1854, or 1866/1867, from the Kaw, Shawnee, or Delaware and Shawnee people....if you think this is ancient history you should visit Shawnee Chief Jim Oyler's smoke shop on 83rd street east of De Soto on a one of 4 20 acre parcels that remain from the 1.8 million acres of land the Shawnees were granted for treatying away Ohio and Missouri lands in 1825 and 1831. No squatters...no treaty...no treaty no free state settlement...no free state no modern day Lawrence... In the early 2000's land on the Sunflower military installlation was supposed to be transferred to the Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma in accordance with the Federal Surplus Lands Act of 1949. The tribe could've applied for EPA treatment as a sovereign state and got superfunds to clean up the area. Instead the state of Kansas stole as it always has in spite of Section 106 of the Historical register and the Shawnee sites and cemeteries on the old Sunflower site...whose still benefitting from theft??? My non Indian ancestors were not from the Mediterranean Coast nor were they Spanish, Portuguese, or Italian, and they didn't run off Moors or Sephardic Jewish people so what's you're irrelevant point about the Inquisition?

Mike Ford 3 years, 5 months ago

nice to know you don't live in Lawrence and yet feel compelled to find a venue for your nonsense and secondly if you live a place that was founded in 1638, you live somewhere between Connecticut and Virginia meaning you really benefitted from colonial theft that wasn't rectified until the late 1970's when states in that area were forced to return some lands that were taken in violation of the Indian Non Intercourse Act of 1790. Lands that were taken without an act of the US Congress as required by the commerce clause of said US Constitution oh supposedly smart guy. The thirteen colonies had immunity from land claims lawsuits from 1790 until the early 1970's when the Oneida and Cayuga Nations pierced the immunity the State of New York had from making illegal treaties with tribes without the consent of the US Congress. The Abnaki, Maliseet, and Passamaquoddy tribes reclaimed land from Maine, the Narragansetts reclaimed land from Rhode Island, the Mashantucket Pequots reclaimed land from Connecticut, and the Catawbas reclaimed lands from South Carolina. The states in the east are many times as devious about tribal land issues there. Beyond that the Piscataways in Maryland had their lands taken and have none left and neither do the Nanticoke Lenni Lenape in New Jersey and the Nanticoke in Delaware. My guess is you're in New Jersey or Connecticut and the people in Connecticut really hate Indians...just ask Jeff Benedict and his racist rag he wrote about the Mashantucket Pequots...Furthermore my ancestors applied for land allotments with the Dawes Commission in Southeast Oklahoma concerning Choctaw lands and were hoodwinked out of that land....so no, we're not alike...I'm a Choctaw descendant living on seized Kaw and Shawnee lands and you're an immigrant living on former Algonquian lands between Connecticut and Maryland.

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