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Colorado officials mystified by Brownback’s letter on water deal

August 29, 2011

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After years of negotiations, Colorado officials have agreed to drain a reservoir and send the water to Kansas in order to comply with a U.S. Supreme Court decision in a long-running dispute.

But as the plan was unfolding, Gov. Sam Brownback indicated he had problems with it.

In a recent letter to a Colorado resident, Brownback said the Bonny Reservoir in Yuma County, Colo., which abuts the border of northwest Kansas, is a valuable recreational area for many residents in surrounding communities. He added in the letter to Audrey Hase, who is trying to save the reservoir from being drained, “Because Colorado is a party to this compact, it is named in the lawsuit, but Kansas seeks no relief against Colorado at this time.”

The statement caused alarms to go off in Colorado.

Colorado State Engineer Dick Wolf said Brownback was off base.

“I’m not sure what the basis for that statement is,” Wolf said Monday. “We do know that it is wrong,” he said.

The release of water from Bonny Reservoir is necessary for Colorado to make up a water debt it owes Kansas and comply with the 2003 settlement of the 1942 Republican River Compact between Colorado, Nebraska and Kansas, Wolf said.

“We are taking steps to completely drain the reservoir,” he said.

And, he said, the release benefits Kansas.

Wolf said he spoke with Kansas water officials to make sure Brownback wasn’t signaling a change of plans. He said they told him the plan hasn’t changed.

Brownback’s office maintained that draining Bonny Reservoir isn’t part of the compact negotiations. Wolf, however, maintains it is the only plausible way to fulfill the compact.

“It was the best of our worst options,” he said.

Colorado will start draining Bonny Reservoir after Labor Day.

Comments

Jake Esau 3 years, 5 months ago

A lot of Brownback's actions mystify a lot of people...

1southernjayhawk 3 years, 5 months ago

I just don't think that there is enough information here to form any kind of an opinion whatsoever.

RodBruce 3 years, 5 months ago

I have to say that the next election can't come quickly enough. What idiots thought this clown would make a good governor? This guy is trying to build his powerbase for a presidential run on the backs of those us in Kansas. His policies continually seem to focus only on satisfying the most vocal minority in Kansas - a group of "Tea Party-like" people that, in my experience, do NOT represent Kansas!

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

No duh. I believe the question at hand is, "what idiots thought this clown would make a good governor?" EdBruce, I think we've found one of those in question.

Kirk Larson 3 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, elections have consequences. The consequences of the last gubernatorial election are that Kansas winds up in the stinkhole.

jr16250 3 years, 5 months ago

California likes hippies, maybe you should move there.

Eileen Jones 3 years, 5 months ago

Kansans are not known for voting in their own best interests.

pure_republication 3 years, 5 months ago

The same clowns that thought Obama would be a good president! At least Mr. Brownback communicates sense, not like Obama!

jesse499 3 years, 5 months ago

Brownback make sense or Obama make sense not happening. Why not pure_kansan or even pure-American? Thats the problem party over the good of all the people tell that changes this country is screwed.

ivalueamerica 3 years, 5 months ago

This guy is more stupid and crazy than Joan Finney

Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 5 months ago

Colorado officials?????? I think the whole state of Kansas is mystified at how this facist Jesus freak got elected to the office of governer.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

Sadly, the state of Kansas has quite a few fascist Jesus Freaks who always vote against their best interest in the name of a few inconsequential religious issues, i.e. abortion and gay marriage. What's the matter with Kansas? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtD8S5...

bradh 3 years, 5 months ago

If they're inconsequential, why do they bother you and many others so much and cause you to go on the rampage each time they come up?

Talk about bigots, it seems like you and many of your ilk are bigoted against anything religious. Even if it has nothing to do with religion, if you're against it you call it religious in some attempt to demean it. You act like religion is a dirty word. If someone else said something similar to what you say about religion about one of your pet PC groups, you'd be up in arms crying, "Hate crime", or ___ phobe. You might want to take a look within yourself, you sound like someone you profess to hate.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 5 months ago

There is nothing "wrong" with religion. Some folks have religious beliefs, support their church and this is as it should be. But some of these folks seem to think that their particular take on religion is the "one way" and that since that is their unflagging belief, all people should knuckle under and comply with their doctrinal edicts. This is known as sharia law in the muslim world. It is not part of the American world. Religious ideologues such the current governers of Kansas and Texas seem to like to attract attention to themselves by wearing their alleged religiosity on their sleeves. Given the fact that most all religion is a creation of man, a doctrine established by those who seek to impose their imaginary religion on others, it has no place in the affairs of government that affects all people. There is no existing proof that any religious doctrine actually exists, or that any given deity, no matter what name is used, is actually present in this world. But people who need such emotional support will go to great lengths to impose their "religious" doctrines on others that are "non-believers" or to "rescue the unchurched".

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

LOL! Couldn't be any farther from the truth. You're the perfect example of a religious radical. Tell me something, how many times a week do you write to Scott Roeder, you sick sumbitch.

whats_going_on 3 years, 5 months ago

drive out west on I70...you'll see signs indicating EXACTLY how the douche got elected. It's extremely creepy...and when you get to Colorado, it stops. WEIRD. ;-)

Doug Fisher 3 years, 5 months ago

That's because here in Colorado we tend to vote for more moderate, balanced candidates! Kansas is a whacky place for politics!

tolawdjk 3 years, 5 months ago

El Paso, Co.

Colorado is the state where in 100 miles you can leave Boulder and end up on the Focus on the Family campus.

preebo 3 years, 5 months ago

Colorado Springs, CO any Kansas towns sister city.

Doug Fisher 3 years, 5 months ago

Like I said, It's more balanced here. In Kansas, everything is extreme right. Lawrence isn't what I would call "Liberal" either. Boulder is quite a bit more progressive than Lawrence.

Jan Rolls 3 years, 5 months ago

Sam the sham doesn't know jack and the advisors he paid big money to don't know jack. This idiot can find time to write a personal response to someone out of state while he sends form letters to kansans. Idiot is too kind a word.

tolawdjk 3 years, 5 months ago

Do we know he actually wrote it? What color was the crayon?

riverdrifter 3 years, 5 months ago

Here's more on it: http://www.9news.com/dontmiss/215806/630/Old-agreement-forces-Colo-to-drain-valuable-lake

Colorado has stolen water from Kansas for decades in violation of the compact and the courts agree. Bonnie reservoir is about 2 miles long and a little over a half mile wide and is now very low. Maybe Sam will go out there and walk on it and make it all good.

Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 5 months ago

You've got to be truly a sheep to defend this gaffe.

Brownback's attorneys clearly decided to issue their own opinion on this long standing litigation in order to make sure Il Marrone did not appear unfavorably to a bunch of folks in Colorado.

I wonder how the Kansas farmers who rely on the Republican River feel about such tripe.

A tremendous gaffe from a Governor, the type of thing that would lead to legislative hearings had it been committed by the previous administration.

pace 3 years, 5 months ago

Lets wait, before we decide he is just dumber than snot, Look at who applauds Brownback"s move. We will find who the "change" benefits. Maybe the Koch brothers like to drive by their and see a lake on their way to cash their taxmoney for billionaire checks.

Bob Forer 3 years, 5 months ago

So let me get this straight. Colorado and Nebraska have been cheating Kansas out of water since 1943. Eight years ago Kansas won a law suit in the United States Supreme Court. Since that decision the parties have been negotiating for eight years in an attempt figure out a way for Colorado to comply with the U.S. Supreme Court's judgment in our favor, which basically entails paying back Kansas for the water which was stolen from us. Colorado recently conceded that the only way this could accomplished would be to drain a huge lake and divert that water to Kansas.

And Brownback is saying, "No, we don't want the water that is legally due us."

All I can say is WTF??????????????

Its not your water, Brownback. It belongs to the citizens of the State of Kansas. And you are our leade??????? Shameful and pathetic. Not to mention absolutely absurd.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 5 months ago

There are actually two different compacts. The one you mention in regards to the lawsuit is different from this one. Plus, KS won't get any water from the draining of the lake but it will help CO meet its obligations by draining. Complicated but it relates how they measure each state's use.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 5 months ago

On May 30, 1935, there was a horrific flood on the Republican River. That's why the dam was built in the first place.

That was the fateful day that Kansas and Nebraska were very sorry about all that water coming from Colorado.

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 5 months ago

What a maroon.

Does brownback not understand the ruling?

Or is he making some sort of tea party anti government anti courts statement?

Either way he is a doofus and an embarrassment.

Clevercowgirl 3 years, 5 months ago

That's my guess too. Without the tea party, Brownback would be nowhere. He has completely failed in his fiduciary responsibiities to properly represent the people of Kansas. What a wacko.

ResQd 3 years, 5 months ago

"Colorado State Engineer Dick Wolf said Brownback was off base." Off base, he's been off base since he was elected :(

H2Olaw 3 years, 5 months ago

It is actually the State Engineer who is wrong, here. The statement by Brownback in the letter is correct. KS is not seeking relief from CO in the latest round of litigation over the compact. The claims are strictly against NE. CO can't shut down their groundwater pumpers - that is the reason Bonny isn't filling, and that is the reason CO can't meet its Compact obligations.

dragonwagon2 3 years, 5 months ago

Brownbackasswards rides again. How embarrassing!

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 5 months ago

Interesting that the article did not get a response from the governor's office?

JM Andy 3 years, 5 months ago

This nutjob's audacity is astounding. He has no respect for anyone or anything that is not in line with his personal agenda. I still cannot believe we elected this Machiavellian SOB to run our state. IMPEACH NOW!

Joe Hyde 3 years, 5 months ago

"... but Kansas seeks no relief against Colorado at this time,” says Gov. Brownback.

Well, I think the best course is to set a mid-point between totally draining the lake in Colorado and us not accepting any of that lake's water at this time.

If in fact it has been calculated and agreed upon that draining that entire lake will satisfy Colorado's "water debt" to Kansas, then this works against Kansas. That's because a sudden, single event drainout allows most of the lake's water to flow through -- repeat, through -- basically in one shot. Like a storm surge? This denies Kansans the time needed to institute or update the means needed to fully benefit from the water.

Whereas if an amount of water equivalent to the lake's volume is released over a much longer period of time the result for Kansas will be a deeper and wider saturation of the river floodplain's groundwater, not to mention a modest increase in surface water volume for irrigation, wildlife improvement and various kinds of river recreation.

Besides, where's the sense in doing something so drastic as totally draining a huge lake? All this does is damage the local economy in part of Colorado. It would be better to make Colorado pay off its total water debt gradually, over a much longer period of time. In other words, reverse the method Colorado used when intercepting and denying our rightful amount of surface runoff in the first place.

CloveK 3 years, 5 months ago

I would love to see a solution like that. I hate seeing a lake disappear. There has to be a better solution than destroying a lake.

james bush 3 years, 5 months ago

Finally, someone with an intelligent comment. Thanks.

billbodiggens 3 years, 5 months ago

send back the grant money.... send back the water..... what in the heck is this man doing.?????????????????????? Does he have no care for anyone in this State???? I do not know how to classify this guy. Is he a fool or does he have an extreme messianic complex that makes him think he is the savior of the world and only is abiding his time in the state house with a here-to-fore undisclosed master plan?. this is water that Kansas farmers dearly need. But, apparently he would rather have it for people to go sking. I really do not think there any any words to explain this action except to say that he has completely abandoned Kansas.

tomatogrower 3 years, 5 months ago

"“We are taking steps to completely drain the reservoir,” he said.

And, he said, the release benefits Kansas."

Oh well, there's the catch. Brownback has no desire to benefit Kansas.

riverdrifter 3 years, 5 months ago

More (electoral college) votes in Colorado than in Kansas.

coloradoan 3 years, 5 months ago

Normally I cannot agree with the Gov, but there are some basic issues here that need to be addressed. Water, economically, is only as good as its timing and location. If it can be delivered to farmers when they need to irrigate, and to municipalities when the river is otherwise too low, then it could have value.

Right now, however, how many farmers in the Republican River watershed in Kansas will be irrigating in the fall and winter? Is there a lot of irrigated winter wheat up there that I'm not aware of? Similarly, are river levels in danger of falling to levels such that municipalities cannot access it for water supplies? It seems that the reservoirs can deliver enough (at least downstream from Milford).

Basically, if all Colorado is doing is meeting the numerical target of the decree by flushing the water to us at a time and in a manner that does not provide benefits to Kansas, I might just have to concur with the Gov. here. It may work for Colorado, because then they will have the next winter to replenish Bonny Reservoir before they need to irrigate? But that doesn't mean it is in Kansas' interests. More facts are needed here; how about it LJW?

overthemoon 3 years, 5 months ago

except for the fact that the river, stream, rivulet that feeds the reservoir will no longer be dammed up and there will be a more constant source of water in the future. Of course, water ways in that part of the world aren't exactly high volume.

Pastor_Bedtime 3 years, 5 months ago

Yet another thing the bible is wrong about, then.

sad_lawrencian 3 years, 5 months ago

This is not the first, and certainly not the last, time Gov. Brownback will do something that mystifies everyone. (Biggest mystery so far: how he got elected to the Senate...)

kevingray 3 years, 5 months ago

The point of the story simple. The mystification angle. Our governor continually acts without explanation, even going against his own party. Now, if he had offered some reasoning....

drake 3 years, 5 months ago

Why is it that any news story that puts our Governor in a bad light is written by none other that Scott Rothschild? And why is it that the reporting is always one sided without any attempt at getting the whole story? You're preachin' to the choir Scott and you got 'em extra frothy this mornin'.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 5 months ago

I guess KMBC Channel Nine ranks up there with Scotty since they were the first to break the story three days before he did.

Jimo 3 years, 5 months ago

This is not the only story that has people mystified by Brownback's statement.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/215806/188/Old-agreement-forces-Colo-to-drain-valuable-lake

A virtually identical article appeared in the Denver Post.

Brownback is "in a bad light" because he's an idiot. The closest recent event I can remember was VP candidate(!) Sarah Palin being asked, after complaining about the courts, to name any case other than Roe v. Wade she disagreed with, and could name none ......this months after a high profile SC decision went against Alaska and she'd issued a big press release slamming the SC decision!

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 5 months ago

You have other information that contradicts the story? Links please. On the contrary there are plenty of links to longer versions of the story with more information that fully support Mr. Rothschild's story. I suggest you read them. I think he did an adequate job of researching it.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 5 months ago

Brownback may not realize it but, in the very act of writing that letter, he violated Colorado's right of state sovereignty. We will be very lucky not to have another federal lawsuit, this time from our neighboring state. (I doubt that will happen but it certainly was a major political gaffe.) Pywacket made a point earlier; Brownback is clearly out of his depth. His learning curve, in terms of state political law, has clearly been steeper than what he or anyone else anticipated. It's interesting to me that even in Republican political strongholds I am seeing more and more mutterings of anti-Brownback sentiment. This is beginning to concern the Republican legislators in those areas and should be concerning the state Republican party (if it's not already) as state legislators are becoming concerned that the polls will reflect "Brownback backlash" come election time. To use a phrase I said before; I guess we'll see.

overthemoon 3 years, 5 months ago

Kinda wonder what he was doing all those years in washington drawing a good salary, pension and life long benefits.

Bob Forer 3 years, 4 months ago

He did a lot of praying and washed a few feet.

lawslady 3 years, 5 months ago

Question: What is the difference between a jihadist wanting to kill anyone who does not believe in their faith and a radical Christian who wants to fire, impoverish, and marginalize those who do not believe (and dress) as they wish? Answer: Not much.

LJW, if you dig around a little, you may uncover the DRESS CODE that the Brownshirt regime wants to impose on WOMEN who work for the state.....

tolawdjk 3 years, 5 months ago

Staff,

“People judge you – the person in seven seconds, and they judge your ideas in thirty seconds. If their eyes stay with you, they’re giving you a chance. But the minute their eyes start to wander, it’s over – the mind tiptoes away first, and the eyes go chasing after.”

That quote is from page 104 of Win by Dr. Frank Luntz.

I have been asked to clarify what is and what is not appropriate work attire. Consequently, there will be a KSC dress code beginning July 5, 2011. The dress code will be Business Attire Monday through Thursday and Business Casual Attire on Fridays. Because the July 1st is a Friday and Monday, July 4th is a holiday, the change will begin when we all come to work on Tuesday, July 5th.
It is reasonable to expect our attire mirror the industry we regulate as well as that we look our best. I am alerting everyone now so you will have eight weeks notice to make any necessary wardrobe adjustments in order to conform to the dress code.

Often the terms “Business Attire” and “Business Casual Attire” become ambiguous. However, that will not be the case here. I will define exactly what I mean. I encourage you to purchase a copy of The New Professional Image authored by Susan Bixler and Nancy Nix-Rice. Copies are available on Amazon.com for $5.32 each. The book was published in 1997 but remains the compass on how to dress appropriately in a professional work environment. This book is the template I used for dress code training both at Jackson National Life Distributors and New York Life.

Listed below is a summary of acceptable Business Casual Attire options and attached is a description and summary of how Ms. Bixler and Ms. Nix-Rice suggest male and female business attire and accessories should be. Please read the attachment several times. It is 16 pages. Business Attire shall be a suit and tie for men and a pantsuit or professional skirt/dress for women.
It is acceptable if the “suit” (whether male or female) is unmatched.
So, high quality jackets and slacks are allowed for Business Attire along with a high quality shirt and tie (or no tie for women).

For more insight, and keeping in mind that our Creator makes human beings in more shapes and sizes that anyone can possibly count, the book gives a significant number of fashion and style guideposts which most people have never considered. It is utterly remarkable the detail required when it comes to choosing appropriate attire and actively seeking to look your very best.

tolawdjk 3 years, 5 months ago

Just to clarify – Nothing in the attachment is a requirement.
It merely represents very detailed fashion tips on how to wear skirts, shirts, pants, jackets, ties, shoes, etc…This is the exact same information you would get if tomorrow you were hired at a Fortune 500 financial services company. If nothing else, it is insightful. You will be amazed with all the strategies and ensembles to look longer, shorter, wider, narrower, taller, leaner, thicker, more professional, more subdued, less noticeable, more noticeable, more intimidating, less intimidating, etc… Whichever look you are going for, this book tells you how to do it. I remember my impressions following the first time I read it in 1999. Basically, my thoughts were, “Wow. Really? I had no idea.”

Team, our agency is unique in Kansas in that we regulate the ultra white-collar securities industry. The bar in our industry is set distinctively high.

Also – to the Men; don’t forget when shining your shoes to pay particular attention to your right heel. That is the shoe you lead with when entering a vehicle and therefore the right heel is often the most scuffed area of a dress shoe, thus requiring the most attention.


Business Casual Dressing for Work

No dress code can cover all contingencies so employees must exert a certain amount of judgment in their choice of clothing to wear to work. If you experience uncertainty about acceptable, professional business causal attire for work, please ask your supervisor.

Slacks, Pants, and Suit Pants

Slacks that are similar to Dockers and other makers of cotton or synthetic material pants, wool pants, flannel pants, dressy capris, and nice looking dress synthetic pants are acceptable. Inappropriate slacks or pants include jeans, sweatpants, exercise pants, Bermuda shorts, short shorts, shorts, bib overalls, leggings, and any spandex or other form-fitting pants such as people wear for biking.

tolawdjk 3 years, 5 months ago

Skirts, Dresses, and Skirted Suits

Casual dresses and skirts, and skirts that are split at or below the knee are acceptable. Dress and skirt length should be at a length at which you can sit comfortably in public. Short, tight skirts that ride halfway up the thigh are inappropriate for work. Mini-skirts, sun dresses, beach dresses, and spaghetti-strap dresses are inappropriate for the office.

Shirts, Tops, Blouses, and Jackets

Casual shirts, dress shirts, sweaters, tops, golf-type shirts, and turtlenecks are acceptable attire for work. Most suit jackets or sport jackets are also acceptable attire for the office, if they violate none of the listed guidelines. Inappropriate attire for work includes tank tops; midriff tops; shirts with potentially offensive words, terms, logos, pictures, cartoons, or slogans; halter-tops; tops with bare shoulders; sweatshirts, and t-shirts unless worn under another blouse, shirt, jacket, or dress.


Aaron Jack

Kansas Securities Commissioner

costello 3 years, 5 months ago

"LJW, if you dig around a little, you may uncover the dress code that the Brownshirt regime wants to impose on WOMEN who work for the state....."

I'm not sure what the problem is. The dress code seems to be for both men and women, and it doesn't seem to require that women wear skirts. Have I missed something?

bevy 3 years, 5 months ago

As a state employee I can tell you that rumors have been rampant about a coming dress code, but we were told recently that it would not be enacted.

Kate Rogge 3 years, 5 months ago

Governor Brownback won, in large part, because Democrats didn't have a stronger candidate and a better financed campaign. I don't like Governor Brownback's policies and decisions, but unless we figure out how to field a stronger challenger to him in the next gubernatorial election and vote him out of office, we'll continue to have him in this state and standing on our necks until he works his way back to Washington, D.C. He doesn't have to resign as governor to run for president.

bklonnie 3 years, 5 months ago

And vote the Pallin wannabe, Bachman, into office! Yay!

/sarcasm over

At this point in the game, Ron Paul is looking like the best candidate.

jafs 3 years, 5 months ago

Actually, I think the most likely possibility would be that a moderate Republican runs against Brownback in the primary.

If so, it would behoove all who don't like Brownback to register as a Republican and vote for the challenger - that seems to be the best we might hope for.

Orwell 3 years, 5 months ago

The strength of the moderates is nothing compared to the dark side of the GOP.

blindrabbit 3 years, 5 months ago

rockchalk1977: Since the departure of NancyBoy, the sage from Linwood, it seems like you have taken up the drumbeat of countering any negative GOP news with your continuous drivel about President Obama. Regardless about your feelings about the President, your defense of the many foibles of your dear GOP electeds make us wonder about your ability to even come close to rationale thought.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 5 months ago

One of the ideas being booted around is one that is frequently done by the GOP (most recently, that I know of, in Wisconsin). That idea is for Democrats to change their "official" affiliation from Democrat to Republican so they can vote in the primaries. It's hoped that Sandy Praeger will agree to be drafted to run against BB in the primary. She has name recognition to equal BB, a long career in state government and she's a moderate Republican. Democrats haven't the chance of a snowball in Hades of getting a Democrat elected to the state house. At the very least we can influence just who goes there. I'm sure the GOP will cry foul and "dirty tricks" if this comes about but it's a widely accepted way of influencing elections that you have no other way to affect and it's one that the GOP has employed multiple times. It's also perfectly legal. So let's get out there and do some vote influencing!

Orwell 3 years, 5 months ago

I registered as a Republican briefly to vote for Sandy in the primary. Now I get robocalls from Jim DeMint.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 5 months ago

You're right. The next new commodity is oil.

And the one after that is going to be breathable air.

nut_case 3 years, 5 months ago

So let me see if I have this straight:

2003 Kansas: Colorado, you owe us water, drain your lake now!

2003 Colorado: NO!

2003 Kansas: Then we'll sue! (We know all about suing for water, just google baker wetlands)

[a lawsuit this ensues]

2004 LJW posters: Don't drain our swamp! 2005 LJW posters: Don't drain our swamp! 2006 LJW posters: Don't drain our swamp! 2007 LJW posters: Don't drain our swamp! 2008 LJW posters: Don't drain our swamp! 2009 LJW posters: Don't drain our swamp! 2010 LJW posters: Don't drain our swamp! 2011 LJW posters: Don't drain our swamp!

2011 Supreme court: Colorado, you owe Kansas water, drain Bonny Reservoir and send the water to Kansas.

2011 Sam Brownback: The lake represents a valuable economic and recreation resource where it is, we aren't negotiating for you to drain it.

2011 Colorado: Yes we are and you can't stop us!

2011 LJW poster: Brownback is stupid. Drain the lake! Drain the lake! Drain the lake! Drain the lake! Drain the lake! Drain the lake! Drain the lake! Drain the lake!

Did I accidentally get transported to Bizarro world where everything is reversed?!?

Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 5 months ago

No, you just made stuff up to try and cover up a tremendous gaffe.

nut_case 3 years, 5 months ago

In your infinite wisdom, would you please correct the inaccuracies. I'm admittedly stumped by the whole situation and struggling to understand.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 5 months ago

And he wasn't downstream of Bonny Dam in 1935.

Maybe Kansas and Nebraska should have sued Colorado for millions of dollars in 1935 for sending that flood down to us that did so much destruction and killed so many people.

jayhawxrok 3 years, 5 months ago

Brownback is an idiot.

Southside, shove your religious nonsense, it has nothing to do with this case and we in America are not your Taliban subjects so just get the Hell over it. The earth is 4.5 bilion years old, it's not flat, the sun doesn't orbit the earth and you are a certifiable loon.

overthemoon 3 years, 5 months ago

I think southside was being sarcastic and referring to Brownback.

Lweinc1 3 years, 5 months ago

   Colorado officials clearly have an agenda that is not designed to benefit the People of Colorado.  With that information from the State of Kansas, Colorado has clear reason to delay the action of drainage.   *Colorado states the drainage will not place them in compliance with the compact order, if that is the case, why drain it?

   This is an outstanding example of why the general public has become frustrated with politics and "our" elected officials.   Representation of the People will clearly be lost with the State of Colorado moving forth with this "plan to fail".

Colorado has put Kansas up as the reason for the destruction of a valuable economic and recreational asset.  Kansas replied with a specific statement for the Governor that contradicts what Colorado has stated.  Colorado now looks for other reasons to continue forth with this devastating plan for compliance.

When confronted with a specific position statement from the highest state official (Governor of Kansas) the Colorado Governor does not reply, a department head does.  That shows respect for the office.  No wonder it is difficult for people to talk with each other.

Colorado is "mystified" only by the reaction of the People when they had to go public with this plan of destruction.    **Colorado Department of Natural Resources made the decision to drain Bonny Dam over 4- years ago. They were not expecting the amount of feed-back that has been generated during the last 6-months.   ***Additionally, it was stated: “the drainage of Bonny Dam is a step we hope will be looked upon in a favorable light by the courts if we have to appear in the future”.

Colorado needs to step-up and reconsider their decision to proceed with this action.  The anticipation that the water “may come back in a couple of years” has proven unrealistic in most Eastern Colorado and Western Kansas holding facilities.  The Smokey outside of Goodland, KS is an example of this type of thinking.  It has not come back.  Mountain snowpack does not affect the water levels in Eastern Colorado.

Colorado can take a lead in making an impact to the positive side of The People instead of "politics as usual”. Colorado can “mystify” us all by delaying an action doing something that is in the interest of “all” The People.

  • / /*: Alexandra Davis, Assistant Director CDNR statements made during public meeting Burlington, CO March 2011

4getabouit 3 years, 5 months ago

Apparently the Koch brothers haven't properly briefed little Sammy yet. Sammy need some guidance.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 5 months ago

How soon people forget.

The reason Bonny Dam was built in the first place was for flood control, so that the flooding disaster that happened May 30, 1935 would not be repeated.

I grew up near Bonny Dam, and spent quite a lot of time wading in the wide and sandy river bottom that the flood had left in the river below where Bonny Dam now stands. I even found clams there, which I consider to be amazing today. Clams in Kansas? Yup, they were there.

And, I did spend quite a lot of time at Bonny Dam, it really was very nice.

And now, years later, the river below Bonny Dam has reverted to its natural state, very different than the sandy, shallow, and wide river that it was in the 1960s. That was not really that many years after the flood of 1935.

When I was growing up, there were plenty of people still living that remembered how terrible that flood was, and how many people were killed.

Beside St. Francis, Kansas, the course of the Republican river was changed so much that the concrete bridge over it was almost a quarter mile from the new course of the river after the flood.

We used to call that old bridge "the bridge over nothing." It has since been removed because it was rather dangerous, because it was so narrow. Only one car could pass in either direction. And, the sides of it were in the 1920s and 1930s style, so they presented a hazard for anyone trying to tow anything of any size.

Some bodies were never recovered, and a story went around town that someone had found a skull in the 1960s that was probably that of a victim of the flood, but there was no way to identify it, so it was given a private and proper burial.

The damage done in Kansas and Nebraska was in the millions of dollars, and a million dollars in 1935 was quite a lot of money. And, there were not a lot of buildings there at the time. Today, there are many that are within the flood plain. A similar flood today would result in the many tens of millions of dollars in damage.

And, the Native Americans living in that area at the time spoke of floods that were even worse, but they didn't happen very often.

So, to prevent another flood like that, Bonny Dam was constructed in the years between 1948 and 1951.

And now it's being drained. I certainly hope that the flood gates can be quickly closed if the need ever arises.

Among many others, this website is dedicated to preserving the history of the Republican River Flood of 1935: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/gld/?n=1935flood

For photos of the destruction: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/gld/?n=1935flood-photos

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 5 months ago

Although, once my father quoted an older person who had witnessed the flood himself saying:

"If we ever get another rainfall like we did in 1935, Bonny Dam couldn't hold it back anyway."

2GenLtown 3 years, 5 months ago

Here we are worried over a little reservoir with a fellow US state while China drains our largest fresh water sources, the Great Lakes, daily.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 5 months ago

Nice little bumper sticker I saw. "I'm a Liberal Christian. I took Jesus at his Word."

Getaroom 3 years, 5 months ago

Could be another public prayer meeting is in order to settle this "not enough water to go around" issue and we can see how well that has worked out in Texas with Rick Perry at the helm of the Ark. Brownbackward is doing what any ego centered fundamentalist Christian politician would do who is operating from Biblical Law - as opposed to the Law of the Land. He is following the direct instructions GOD has given him specifically to govern Kansas. I mean who can argue with that? No wonder there are no more details than reported here, the next revelation has not been handed down to Pastor Sam. However, one can bet Michelle Bachmann knows what is going on with this whole water thing, let's call her and get this cleared up. I suppose it is those gays messing it all up again. The winter wheat is being punished for being genetically modified and we all know that is against the Bible, because messing with GOD'S creation is Sinful. I betcha Michelle's husband could council that DNA modification right outa that wheat and set it straight! WWSPD? Sarah Palin would say, "drain baby drain, what's yours is mine and what's mine is mine". Poor Sam always being thrown to the lions. Oh well, just proves you can't please everyone.
Two opposable thumbs up!!
And Snappy Poppy would say, "haven't I seen this post before somewhere"?

jaywalker 3 years, 5 months ago

"I just don't think that there is enough information here to form any kind of an opinion whatsoever."

Stated at the beginning of a loooong string. Worth repeating. So why the string?

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 4 months ago

I just woke up from a nap, and it's very strange you said that, considering the dream I had.

Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 4 months ago

Brownback said he didn't want Colorado's water. There's nothing "up in the air" about that.

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