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Voting rights advocates argue new birth certificate requirement will disenfranchise some voters

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, spoke at the Lied Center about the economic and security effects of illegal immigration Tuesday, April 12, 2011.

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, spoke at the Lied Center about the economic and security effects of illegal immigration Tuesday, April 12, 2011.

April 25, 2011

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— Voting rights advocates say that Kansas’ new law that requires a photo ID to cast a ballot is bad enough, but what’s worse is its requirement that states to register to vote a person must prove U.S. citizenship.

“That part is actually far more troubling,” said Ernestine Krehbiel, president of the League of Women Voters of Kansas.

The days of voter registration drives at picnics, nursing homes, grocery stores, county fairs and the Kansas State Fair, may be near an end, she said.

That’s because taking effect Jan. 1, 2013, is a provision that states a voter registration applicant shall not be registered until the applicant has provided satisfactory evidence of U.S. citizenship. The provision applies only to new voter registration applications in Kansas.

Focus on birth certificate

Currently, when you register to vote, a person signs a statement swearing or affirming that he or she is a U.S. citizen. Submitting a false voter registration application is punishable by up to 17 months in prison.

There are several ways to prove citizenship, but the most common document that will be used under the new law will be a birth certificate that can either be presented in person at the time of registration or a photo copy of the document that can be mailed in with the registration application.

But Krehbiel said that in this day of identity theft, people are rightly wary about sharing personal and documented information with a stranger.

“If you showed up at my booth at the fair, you would be quite foolish to allow me to photo copy your birth certificate,” she said.

In addition, she noted, getting a copy of a birth certificate costs money. A copy of a Kansas birth certificate costs $15. Some elderly people don’t have birth certificates, and many women will have to provide further documentation if they have taken their husbands’ last name.

To get a copy of a Kansas marriage certificate costs another $15.

“I think it will be particularly hard on the indigent, disabled and elderly who do not already have driver’s licenses or birth certificates sitting around their house,” Krehbiel said.

Shew gearing up

Douglas County Clerk Jamie Shew said the proof of citizenship requirement will make voter registration more difficult.

“It’s going to require a lot more staff involvement,” Shew said.

He agreed with Krehbiel that no one will be collecting birth certificates at voter registration drives.

He said his office will try to reach out to those who submit voter registration applications and contact them somehow to educate them on how to get a birth certificate and then get that record to the county election office to finalize the registration process.

“I want to make sure for us, that we have a system that helps remove barriers,” he said.

Voter registration drives are important in Douglas County, especially at Kansas University. He said in a presidential year, thousands of students register to vote during registration drives.

But educating the public about the new law and helping people register to vote will cost money, Shew said. He said he is putting together a budget and proposing mailers that will cost tens of thousands of dollars.

He said he was glad the Legislature delayed the birth certificate requirement until 2013 because that would give officials time to implement the voter ID requirement and deal with a presidential election.

Brownback’s opinion

Secretary of State Kris Kobach who pushed for the new law, said he will continue trying to get the Legislature to put the proof of citizenship requirement in the law in 2012.

Both he and Gov. Sam Brownback have said the voter ID and proof of citizenship provision are key to preventing election fraud.

“For those who are lawful citizens of Kansas, this bill will not create obstacles to casting a ballot — not at all,” Brownback said when signing the bill into law last week. “I think these are reasonable steps to protect the rights of our citizens. Protecting the integrity of elections is a core piece of a working democracy.”

Krehbiel said rules were already in place to combat election fraud and that the new law will simply make it tougher to register to vote.

“All of those registration drives will have to dry up,” Krehbiel said. “Some people are saying that is the motivation behind these laws. I don’t know.”

Comments

ivalueamerica 2 years, 3 months ago

South Carolina's submission to the Justice Department did not offer any evidence of voter fraud that was not addressed by existing law and that arguably could be deterred by requiring voters to present only photo identification at the polls.

Their law has been struck down. Kansas will have the same fate, net result, poor and minorities will not be disenfranchised from the vote.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

I think yesterday it was proven that any mope can eventually produce a birth certificate.

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autie 2 years, 11 months ago

So KKKobach goes through all these motions to make voting harder and weed some folks out..then last night I saw an add on the TV with him pumping up voter registration...all I could think of was, "would you buy a used car from this man". Of course that answer was unequviocally no. and I don't got no birth certificate I would have to send off to toepeka to get me at 12 dollars a pop....that would make registration include a fee collected by a governing body thus relating it to a tax thus making it unconstitutional.

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Sigmund 2 years, 11 months ago

Everyone here who can't produce a birth certificate, raise your hand!

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kernal 2 years, 11 months ago

Show us the proof of rampant voter fraud, Kobach.

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DeaconBlue 2 years, 11 months ago

Who are you? Where were you born? Disenfranchised much? Would The Obama be able to get a passport?

GOVERNMENT WERE YOU CIRCUMCISED? NEW PASSPORT QUESTIONNAIRE BAFFLES MANY WITH ABSURD INFO DEMANDS Posted on April 26, 2011 at 10:17am by Jonathon M. Seidl

Who was present when you were born? Can you remember every address you’ve ever had? How about every place you’ve ever worked? Were you circumcised?

What if I told you that those were some of the queries the State Department is proposing for a new “biographical questionnaire” as part of the passport application?

Sounds absurd, doesn’t it? It’s true. Take a look:

http://papersplease.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/ds5513-proposed.pdf

According to BoingBoing, the form is meant for those who, while applying for a passport, can’t produce a birth certificate. “But as the FA suggests,” the site notes, “the circumstances in which people unable to provide a birth certificate will be given this form (rather than the traditional bureaucratic investigation) are not spelled out; further, the form itself remains a Kafkaesque impossibility for most people to complete.”

p>Consumertraveler.com notes the near impossibility of the proposed application, too:

The State Department estimated that the average respondent would be able to compile all this information in just 45 minutes, which is obviously absurd given the amount of research that is likely to be required to even attempt to complete the form. “It’s not clear from the supporting statement, statement of legal authorities, or regulatory assessment submitted by the State Department to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) why declining to discuss one’s siblings or to provide the phone number of your first supervisor when you were a teenager working at McDonalds would be a legitimate basis for denial of a passport to a U.S. citizen,” that site goes on to say.

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ydean 2 years, 11 months ago

Let's be honest.
The sole purpose of this law is to suppress turnout of those believed likely to vote for Democratic Party candidates.
Period.
This law should be repealed at the earliest opportunity.

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djclbbr1956 2 years, 11 months ago

Mmmm .... one more time, the state of KS (as well as other "limited" mid-western states), is reflecting their "backwoods" mentality ... voter identification/verification should only be the showing of "state" identification (whether it may be the state driver's license or state identification card), as proof of local/state residency .... anything beyond that falls under "federal" issues/statues, where it not only belongs but should require "national" oversight and/or control -- not the ridiculous, tax-revenue "local/county/state" claimed process ...

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camper 2 years, 11 months ago

It would be interesting to know how good the filing is at hospitals, counties, and the states. I lost my original certificate in a terrible fire, but was glad my dad still had a copy in his desk (after all these years!).

There could really be some issues that vary by state. Do all states retain originals? Are they ever purged? Are off-site copies kept? Are they stored electronically? Are electronic copies acceptable? Are "certificates of live birth" which most states issue upon request, acceptable?

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Armored_One 2 years, 11 months ago

Better idea the providing your birth certificate.

Thumb print identification.

Thumb prints rarely, if ever, change.

Electroscan the voter's thumb print. Enter the person's name. If the thumb print doesn't match with at least 95% accuracy, then they are not allowed to vote.

To avoid any traffic crunches in the major areas, instead of trying to do this at a school or something, just put it in Tanger Mall. There are large chunks of it that are standing wide open. Some minor modifications to the power and privacy booths for voting, and you are all set. To simplify the process of getting everyone's thumb print, include a scan of it while getting your driver's license. One in every significantly sized town would suffice. Yes, it would be harder for people that live in the true boondocks to vote, but nothing is perfect, and most of those boondock cities don't have a DMV office anyway, so what would it matter, in the long run?

No need to connect the system to the Internet, either. A monthly diagnostic, plus an archived system kept in Topeka, or somewhere, just in case the system goes belly up for some freaked out reason, and you remove the option of people hacking in to get personal information.

Cuts down on paperwork. Money saved. Cuts down on errors. Money saved. Cuts down on fraud. Eh, I guess money saved.

Yes, the initial outlay of cash would be painful, but the low cost of maintenance and the fact that a computer is incapable of counting something wrong would go a long way to purifying the process.

There's probably holes in the idea, and I'm sure someone will point them out.

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sustainabilitysister 2 years, 11 months ago

Shouldn't we be pushing for 100% voter turnout in order to fairly make decisions instead of deciding which individuals or socioeconomic status we want making all of the decisions? That's not democratic... that's POPPYCOCK!

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sustainabilitysister 2 years, 11 months ago

There was a time I lost all forms of identification. In order to get any of them back it took a lot of time. For many individuals (especially now) this time to take off work, in order to regain these documents, will be at great cost. In order to obtain these documents individuals could loose their jobs, homes, childcare, children, etc... This is not being dramatic, this is real. This is law is unethical. This law was created by those that live within a high social economic status and blatantly discriminates against those that live within a marginalized socioeconomic state. This is not a move in the ethical, moral direction.

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blindrabbit 2 years, 11 months ago

Even Arizona's Jan Brewer has started to wise up; now we are stuck with a different but just as bigoted as the original KKK (Kansas' Kris Kobach). Seig Heil Herr Kobach!

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DeaconBlue 2 years, 11 months ago

This can be problematic: Mahdi Obama doesn't want you to know his authenticity but you on the other hand, will soon need this for a passport....

The State Department is proposing a new "Biographical Questionnaire" for certain passport applicants. Exactly who, it's not specifying. "The proposed new Form DS-5513," writes Edward Hasbrouck at the Consumer Traveler blog, "asks for all addresses since birth; lifetime employment history including employers' and supervisors names, addresses, and telephone numbers; personal details of all siblings; mother's address one year prior to your birth; any 'religious ceremony' around the time of birth; and a variety of other information." The Federal Register notice is here. The questionnaire was not posted in the Federal Register, but State did give it up on request to the Identity Project, which posted it here. Evidently, if you were born in the United States, your birth was "recorded within one year of the date your birth occurred" and you were "born in a medical facility," you don't have to answer the questions about where your mother lived a year before you were born, or what "religious ceremony" took place around the time of your birth. But everyone given this form would have to provide all previous addresses, all schools attended and all previous employers, including names of supervisors and telephone numbers. (What if you're in your 50s now and you can't remember who hired you as a soda jerk when you were 16? Or you can remember, but the business is long gone and the guy who hired you died in 1993? No passport for you?) "The State Department estimated," writes Mr. Hasbrouck, "that the average respondent would be able to compile all this information in just 45 minutes, which is obviously absurd given the amount of research that is likely to be required to even attempt to complete the form." And of course, everything you put on the form you do "under penalty of perjury."

Agora Financial, 5 minute forecast

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camper 2 years, 11 months ago

This can be problematic, because most who will be ordering a copy of their birth certificates will be a getting a "certification of live birth". This I remember, is the same document President Obama has produced, and some birthers don't feel is good enough.

It's these little things, small as they may seem are reminiscent of Germany 1930. Spread fear, create an enemy, and erode our rights. At this point in the game, I scratch my head wondering whats next.

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strongarmcrunch 2 years, 11 months ago

Still no mention whatsoever to opening up for public scrutiny the voting machine certification process, and to open software for voting machines and vote counting machines. All other suggestions are just bad make-up for a false face in the interest of strengthening voting rights.

Kobach is presenting a false face with bad make-up.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 11 months ago

Unfortunately, these sort of problems are never considered by grandstanding politicians when they are trying to attract votes for themselves. Far too many politicians that are elected by the unknowing have little actual experience with the topics that they are trying to use to get their names in front of the media. And after the damage is done, it takes a lot more legislative time, money, effort and documentation to prove that the orginial intent of the law is completely fraudulant and that the collateral damage is a greater evil than the imagined problem was that was intended to be solved.

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tange 2 years, 11 months ago

Do we know whether Kobach and Brownback even have navels?

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George_Braziller 2 years, 11 months ago

In Kansas there is a catch 22 to obtain a copy of your birth certificate if you don't have a current valid photo ID card, drivers' license, or passport. Can't be expired even though a copy of a birth certificate was originally required to obtain the photo identification.

Can't find a copy of your birth certificate? You're screwed. Have to have a current photo ID to get a copy of a birth certificate, but have to have a birth certificate to get a current photo ID.

Just went through this last year when I was assisting an elderly woman get a current photo ID so she could board an airplane to attend her granddaughter's wedding. She had a stroke seven years ago and never renewed her drivers' license because she could no longer drive. Didn't have a copy of her birth certificate so she could get a new one.

It took MONTHS to get it worked out.

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prospector 2 years, 11 months ago

The only 'bangs" auties got are in his guns. I foresee a problem myself.

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autie 2 years, 11 months ago

When will Kobach introduce the bill where we all have to have our numbers tatooed on our arms?

Will anybody have to sew a yellow star on their sleeve?

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prospector 2 years, 11 months ago

ksrush you are just in to deep. Enjoy life as one of beaujacksons serf's.

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 11 months ago

beaujackson (anonymous) says… "Also, property owners (ONLY) should be able to vote on issues involving property tax. It's too easy for someone with no "stake in the game" to spend other peoples money." === I love that one. How Medieval of you, sir or madame. Muscular Sam and his jesus would be proud of you. Some of this sentiment also sounds like our sainted founding fathers. The poor who don't 'own property' pay plenty of property tax, and much larger portion of their income that those of us who were blessed with more.

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 11 months ago

"And politicians like Kobach thrive at this public ignorance and stupidity." === Good points, hence the defunding of universities and public schools and the attempts to suppress the vote.

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gccs14r 2 years, 11 months ago

I shouldn't have to prove that I'm a Citizen; the State should have to prove that I'm not one.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm ok with it if the state is ok with what the Feds are ok with when proving citizenship for employment; a photo ID and a Social Security card. Also, no copying!!!! Just present it, have the poll worker sign they saw it and go about your bidness. A passport will replace both pieces of documentation just as it does on the I-9 form. (And by the way, on the I-9 form a birth certificate alone is not proof of citizenship and also requires photo ID. Only a passport, even an expired one, also has a photo ID.) If the state is willing to certify people to sign they saw this documentation, LoWV can get people certified (just like for notaries) and they can keep doing registration drives. This will also do away with potential disenfranchisement of the elderly because they all have SS numbers for retirement and Medicare (and can get them replaced for free if they don't have a card). Requirements that go over and above what the Feds require for employment just to vote is ridiculous. That said, I really find myself bemused that this broke a$$ state thinks it's just peachy to throw thousands of dollars away on non problems. Just where in the budget is Brownie going to carve out the money for this?

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years, 11 months ago

I love it, Ilove it! This, dear friends and neighbors is what you get when you let yourself stumble into a righteous funk and vote for these right wing nuts for public office. Kobach had already extablished himself as a grandstanding moron with the by involving himself with issues in other states and now with the full knowledge of what this guy is, fawning Kansans elected him to public office. His desire to create problems where non exist, to make laws that have no use, to occupy legislative time when there are many more pressing problems with some incendary issue of his own fabrication should have been well known and recognized. And yet the great unwashed voted for him.

Folks, you get the government you deserve. And politicians like Kobach thrive at this public ignorance and stupidity.

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gudpoynt 2 years, 11 months ago

As a conservative, I am adamantly opposed to extensive government regulation and the wasting of my tax dollars on frivolous efforts.

But as a Republican, I will disregard these principles and stand by my party leaders no matter what.

Now please excuse me while I clean up the cognitive dissonance that has oozed all over my keyboard.

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gudpoynt 2 years, 11 months ago

"Birth certificates and photo ID's are a problem - but only for illegal voters."

And for first time registrants.

You know, the thousands of young KU students who sign up during registration drives -- like the article mentions above.

Tell me, how do you think those thousands of newly registered, soon-to-be college educated elitists tend to vote? Republican or Democrat? Take a guess.

(hint: there is an factual answer to that, and it's "Democrat").

So... throw in an innocent little roadblock for students and watch that number go from thousands to hundreds. Better yet, ensure that voting drives can't even take place anymore unless those signing you up have the capability of verifying an official birth certificate.

Pretty soon... VOILA! You suddenly cut the number of young people who are registered to vote by thousands! And thus, you cut the number of votes for Democrats by thousands!

It's easy! All you have to do is propose the new regulations under a fictional account of "rampant voter fraud"!

If someone does point out that there really is no voter fraud, and that there seems to be a lot of effort going into defending against make believe problems, all you have to do is argue that everybody knows everything about you anyway. Therefore, what's the big deal in requiring an extra little, tiny, microscopic hurdle, that will prevent Mexican criminals from electing socialists?

Kobach and Brownback are the dumbest foxes in the world who just ate your chickens!

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 11 months ago

On the face of it, ID and proof of citizenship seem like reasonable requirements for voting.

However, in the context of US history, things like these have been used to suppress the vote, mostly of the poor and minorities, through intimidation and doubt.

I agree that if they really wanted to vote, these things shouldn't matter, and they should just go through the extra steps.

But let's not kid here. The purpose of these measures is not voter fraud, because there is no extensive voter fraud. It is to suppress the vote of groups that traditionally vote for democrats: minorities and the poor.

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Lacy Mohler 2 years, 11 months ago

A couple of years ago Aetna decided they had too much insurance fraud going on and made people produce birth certificates, marriage licenses, custody agreements etc. It wasn't that big a deal to put it together.

I had to show ID before having surgery last summer--from the emergency room! Elderly people aren't required to do this?

In the 70's, before retirement, my dad found out he didn't have a birth certificate. He had to have relatives, employers, friends etc. sign a form saying he existed---interesting since he had a SS# number and had been paying taxes for years. But it was easily accomplished--even in the day when computers weren't readily available.

My husband and I are putting together a retirement folder. For railroad retirement we will need birth certificates and marriage license. How do the elderly not have this information?

So, boo hoo, registering to vote will take a little effort and a birth certificate and voting will require an ID--big deal!

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autie 2 years, 11 months ago

Don't get so mad Autie, the fallen even stood up for human garbage like you

Hardly. I recognize civil discourse. I come from a long line of human garbage that has the unique ability to not let stupid bullys get under my skin. It bothers me not when those who profess such knowlege of history and politics when it comes to dead soldiers spout their ignorance. Such true patriots are seldom wrapped in that flag.

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BigPrune 2 years, 11 months ago

Why does this scare the Democrats so bad??? Is it because anywhere voter fraud has occurred, it has occurred in Democratic enclaves?

Lawrence is Kansas' Democratic enclave.

Now I get it

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beaujackson 2 years, 11 months ago

Birth certificates and photo ID's are a problem - but only for illegal voters. Tough.

Birth certificates are no "hardship" for "seniors" because most have been registered for years.

Also, property owners (ONLY) should be able to vote on issues involving property tax. It's too easy for someone with no "stake in the game" to spend other peoples money.

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kernal 2 years, 11 months ago

At least I won't have to prove the state where I was born is part of the United States of America; or will I?

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prospector 2 years, 11 months ago

They died so I don't have to show my papers You have no clue.

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PaladKik 2 years, 11 months ago

merica worried bout where born. IMF say merica over 2016. China take over. Paladkik work good charm. merica where born to vote. funny ha ha

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autie 2 years, 11 months ago

Your sanctimonious BS doesn't mean squat and the right to piss and moan is everything. You dishonor the dead with that crap. You fall right into the Kobach mold little fellows keeps in step and do what your are told. All the while menu picking who gets what in your view.

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ksrush 2 years, 11 months ago

Kind of wonder what the guys and gals who are in Arlington would say about all this whining they layed their lives down for. What we enjoy today is a direct result of the sacrafices they made on your behalf and future citizens. Your pissing and moaning about having to produce a birth cert. doesn't mean squat.

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DeaconBlue 2 years, 11 months ago

Iphones keep track of you no matter what. Wherever you go, they know where you are. You don't even have to use the phone. But they know where you are....constantly.

Nobody has a problem with this.

But dad gum it. If have to prove where I was hatched, I'm gonna be mad. I am disenfranchised if they know where I was born.

Disenfranchised I'm telling ya. I'm Disenfranchised they know where I was born....where's my Ipad.

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gudpoynt 2 years, 11 months ago

There's a high probability that this legislation will result in a drop in voter turnout.

And there's a high probability that the drop will be highest among Democrats.

Plain and effing simple.

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KEITHMILES05 2 years, 11 months ago

I am becoming more and more ASHAMED at our elected offiicals. This is pure tragedy.

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firebird27 2 years, 11 months ago

Voting is a constitutional right for citizens. Are you a US citizen? If not, then you should not be able to vote. Can you verify your claim that you are a citizen? What is so difficult about these questions. The political right may have an agenda, but if you took an original position in which you did not know what was political forces were attempting to do, what is the rational position to take to these questions. I am a Democrat, not a Republican, and I believe that my constitutional rights should be protected, not taken advantage by others who may claim to be what they are not. This initiative may have political motives beyond constitutional ones. We should do all we can to provide the means for U.S. citizens to vote, but I support the notion that I must prove I am a U.S. citizen.

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Eybea Opiner 2 years, 11 months ago

Disenfranchising is simply a straw horse for those who are afraid that their ability to register and secure votes from people who are not eligible to vote will be stopped.

If a person, or seven, or seven hundred, or thousand, vote illegally, legitimate voters are thus disenfranchised. These activists should worry so much about my rights.

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dumbblondebecky 2 years, 11 months ago

I don't remember showing a birth certificate to get my driver's license, but when I went to get my teenaged children their permits and licenses, it was required. They do pass new laws, and this is one of them, obviously. I drove to Topeka to get my son's, because he wanted to take the test sooner than he could have if he had to wait for them to mail a copy. We had our children's birth certificates, but I had misplaced them at the time.

When we qualified for insurance through my husband's job, I had to photocopy and fax birth certificates for each of my children AND a copy of the marriage license of my husband and I to prove that we are in fact married and that our children ARE in fact ours. Some say that health coverage is a right and not a privilege.

There are many people who are able to get a driver's license in KS without being citizens. I saw a group of immigrants with their employer(a lawn service)in line with their passports, green cards and forms they filled out in order to get a valid KS driver's license. Showing a license at the polls is proof that you are who you say you are ONCE YOU ARE REGISTERED. But if you are a new voter who is registering, simply showing a driver's license does not prove you are a citizen of the city, county, state or country in which you live.

The law is for NEW REGISTRATIONS. I agree with the person who said that the elderly who want to be registered most likely(99% of the time)are already registered.

Younger people who are registering will most certainly have a copy of their birth certificate because of the requirement of showing it for a driver's license.

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gudpoynt 2 years, 11 months ago

"thousands of students register to vote during registration drives"

How many new students at KU register as Democrats?

How many new students at KU would end up not registering if they have to present a birth certificate?

One effect of this requirement is going to be a delay in first time registrations of young voters.

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verity 2 years, 11 months ago

It's been said before and I'll say it again. This is not about voter fraud. This is about keeping legitimate voters from voting. I'll repeat that again---it is about keeping legitimate voters from voting.

It will cost money, it will gum up the system, and ultimately will probably be declared unconstitutional.

If I were a gambler, I'd wager that the next thing will be a law requiring those of us who are already registered to reregister.

I'm pretty sure I didn't need a birth certificate when I got my driver's license and I wouldn't have had any other identification at the time. Also, contrary to what is being said, you don't need a birth certificate to apply for Social Security. I ordered a copy because I thought I would need it, but I applied online and was never asked for it---never had to show any identification. I'm sure the SS office could check, also online, whether I was legitimate.

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firebird27 2 years, 11 months ago

In our society, we all are required to provide official documents to gain access to a variety of rights and privileges. Can you prove you are sufficiently old enough to purchase alcholic beverages? Can you have your university submit a transcript to prove you actually received the degree you claim to have earned? Do you have an insurance policy to allow you to drive a car? Can you prove that you have sufficient collateral do buy a home or car? Are you currently licensed to practice a particular profession? Discussions of power grabs and prejudice ring hollow in consideration of past legitimate societal practices to authenticate who one is and what you are permitted to do.

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William Weissbeck 2 years, 11 months ago

For many people they have to produce a copy of their birth certificate when they obtain a driver's license, some time around age 17 when they still live with their parents. If that's good enough for the DMV/BMV why isn't the DL good enough for voter registration. Is there no one left in Kansas brave enough (or unfortunately well funded enough) to appeal this legislation? Does the University lack the (you know what) to do what's in the best interest of it's students, most of whom are Kansas residents voting for the first time after they come to KU? Anybody want to promote a boycott of the Kochs, or at least picket their business locations in Kansas? This is a naked power grab which you need to remember in 2012. You have to ignore high gas prices and Obama's fecklessness and vote holding your nose; otherwise it's far too easy to end up like Wiemar Germany in 1933 willing to give up liberties for bread.

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autie 2 years, 11 months ago

They don't need nothing from me....all they do is scan the chip in my head. Oh yeah baby, you all got chips in your head already...just didn't know it, did you?

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BloodBot 2 years, 11 months ago

Would someone at LJWorld own up to the fact that you are selectively deleting posts your brand of liberalism does not agree with? Why would a post not appear unless I am signed in? Is this some game you play, so that conservatives can't be seen unless they get your permission to be seen, but only when they sign on? I'm not afraid to pursue this to the top.

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Kat Christian 2 years, 11 months ago

"Show me your papers," says the Gestopo. We might as well all just apply for passports to make it easier to prove who we are, because it is actually coming to this. Regardless the dishonest will find a way around proving citizenship. There's a con man on every corner.

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remember_username 2 years, 11 months ago

Well, thank goodness Kansas has only 6 electoral votes. Crazy behavior from little fish. Although perhaps it is prudent to reconsider funding large federal projects in a state run by lunatics.

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geekin_topekan 2 years, 11 months ago

Here's an idea. Let's keep illegals from having a voice, an education, maintain a god-like image over them, keep them segregated and deny them any rights that an American-born person would have, but use them for the benefit of a privileged class of Americans.

Wait ...didn't we try this once already? How did that work out?

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prospector 2 years, 11 months ago

jafs

A ballot was never used to facilitate a murder, robbery, or rape. If guns had only been used to harvest meat or protect us from a prairie lion attack then you would be trading them at the farmer's market. It sucks that other people screwed it up for all of us.

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 11 months ago

If one citizen is prevented from voting because the requirements have become too burdensome, then that's one too many. If one non-citizen is allowed to vote because enforcement has become too lax, then that's one too many.

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autie 2 years, 11 months ago

So of them boys don't get it. Some people out there ain't got no birthin certificate..or a marriage license. In fact I heard of a boy that moved to Kansas from the Red Dirt Nations and he still cai'nt get no Kansas drivers license even after he spent time and money to get a birthin certificate from where ever he got borned cause he is a little older and gots his social security card with his nickname on it...his SS says Bill and his birthin thing says William so's he cai'nt get nothing in Kansas....Sorry Bill, no voting for you neither even though you been Merican for sixty some years..

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prospector 2 years, 11 months ago

Privilege's and right's. Would you people learn that they are NOT the same?

Voting is a right.

Passports, drivers license, cheek cashing, flying, etc., etc. are NOT rights given by the Constitution of these United States/ Kobach is pissing on it with this law.

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sandrat7 2 years, 11 months ago

What a bunch of whiney babies. You have to show your birth certificate and marrieage license to get a passport. Big deal. Elderly would have a hard time? Why aren't they already registered? Grow up.

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prospector 2 years, 11 months ago

This problem has been fixed. Peckerwood Peck was busy over the weekend doing Kobach's bidding..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0hc8r2-LpA

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lamb 2 years, 11 months ago

It seems like a reasonable requirement to me. Of course I am a US citizen, so will not have a problem having the proper I.D.

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BloodBot 2 years, 11 months ago

This Rothschild reporter and his buddy Mike Yoder find it hard to hide their disdain for Mr. Brownback and Kobach. These liberals like to pretend they are objective, but look at the ridiculous picture they choose for Mr. Kobach. Now tell me, could you find a more awkward expression? Yoder, you and Rothschild could be put in an awkward light if we were able to pick over some photos of you, maybe we would not even have to pick them over, but just find one.

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prospector 2 years, 11 months ago

Kobach looks like a goat fornicator to me.

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kernal 2 years, 11 months ago

"... or was he one of those draft dodgers?" The draft ended when Kobach would have been in the second grade. Did not find any information indicating he ever served in the military.

Some will only go so far in protecting democracy, yet are hell bent on bending it to their own ends.

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prospector 2 years, 11 months ago

"Your premise is ridiculous. Ever hear of preventative action" TJ

Okay I will be right over to take your guns, knives and sharp objects. I will leave you nerf ballls and round tip scissors. That would be prudent and preventive for you and your families safety.

Right?

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autie 2 years, 11 months ago

Your premise is ridiculous. Ever hear of preventative action

You could also pass a law that you can't feed a unicorn on main street after dark but that probably isn't anymore necessary. What is ridiculous is to pass a law that makes something harder for some people and really isn't needed in the first place. Lord knows us liberal democrats will cheat and vote 8 or 9 times....still Kansas would elect morons like brownstripe and KKKobach....and Peck and Ott and Knox and so on and so on and scooby dooby do.

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mloburgio 2 years, 11 months ago

There is no evidence of major voter fraud When asked, Kobach campaign spokesperson Ben Smith said the campaign is basing all of its statements on information provided by the Secretary of State’s office. However, according to statistics provided by the Secretary of State’s office, a total of seven cases were referred to local, state or federal authorities in the past five years regarding election crimes. Out of those seven, only one was prosecuted, and none dealt with unqualified voters.

The Kobach campaign was asked by The Sentinel to provide clarification, in light of these statistics and documents, on how voter fraud is “pervasive”, and whether or not the Secretary of State’s office has been negligent in either investigating or dealing with voter fraud. The campaign was also asked to provide evidence of groups such as ACORN engaging in activities that directly influenced the outcome of elections in Kansas. No responses were received. http://prairiepolitics.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/numbers-dont-match-kobac...

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TJ_in_Lawrence 2 years, 11 months ago

I need some cheese and crackers to go with the aBundance of whine on this thread.

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Soapbox 2 years, 11 months ago

Please all of you liberals grow up!

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beeline 2 years, 11 months ago

If you do need to show a birth certificate to get a diver's license, then why isn't a driver's license enough?

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StarfishPrime 2 years, 11 months ago

I used to vote 3 or 4 times around town. Now this is going to be a problem. I feel disenfranchised.

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Kontum1972 2 years, 11 months ago

he's a Nazi sympathizer i wonder what branch of the service he was in...or was he one of those draft dodgers

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mtnfreak 2 years, 11 months ago

You need to show a birth certificate to get a driver's license and no one seems to be disenfranchised about that.

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BigPrune 2 years, 11 months ago

It seems funny that a so-called "non-partisan" organization like the League of Women Voters seems to always repeat Democratic talking points almost verbatim. What seems even funnier is I remember that organization working the polls when I voted one year.

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TJ_in_Lawrence 2 years, 11 months ago

That's a lie. I know both Roger and Sue Pine and they are some of the most honorable and upright people I know. They would never do something that they even thought was wrong. I'd stake my home and everything I own on it.

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autie 2 years, 11 months ago

wprop, garbled mispelled words thrown together do not make a valid link. Or a sentence.

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Adrienne Sanders 2 years, 11 months ago

This is ridiculous. I thought showing an ID was reasonable, this is not.

Are people who are already registered to vote going to have to reregister?

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redmoonrising 2 years, 11 months ago

We get what we elect. Well, I didn't vote so I can't complain, just grind my teeth and bite my tongue. There was such a witch hunt to get any Dems. out of office this last election that we have created a witch hunt of a different sort. Don't take it personally unless you were born outside the US.

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jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Does anybody else think this picture makes Kobach look like the Joker from Batman?

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wprop 2 years, 11 months ago

The only receint example of voter fraud....Senitor Roger Pine and Planning commissiner Sue Pine....enriched themselves......both given a good old "boy" passes.......

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

This post pre-removed for using a vulgar sexual term to describe someone on the sinister side of the aisle.

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Ralph Reed 2 years, 11 months ago

From the article, "All of those registration drives will have to dry up,” Krehbiel said. “Some people are saying that is the motivation behind these laws. I don’t know.”


IMHO: The goal is in fact to stifle voter registration drives. I personally would not provide a copy of my birth certificate to someone knocking on my door or to someone at a voter registration booth. I'm glad I'm already registered to vote.

Kobach and his handler, Brownstripe, both want the birth certificate requirement in place for 2012. They do not want it in place to ensure the integrity of elections, the want it in place to ensure that the Republican Party and the Teabaggers will always remain in power in Kansas. I guess the next step is a loyalty oath and verification of the correct religious background before someone can attend college or work in Kansas.

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autie 2 years, 11 months ago

Can anybody provide a valid link to any voter fraud issues in Kansas? Any serious case of cheating anywhere? What are they so afraid of that Kris has to build windmills?

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toe 2 years, 11 months ago

Showing ID is reasonable and proof of citizenship is also reasonable.

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Phillbert 2 years, 11 months ago

"Voting rights advocates argue new birth certificate requirement will disenfranchise some voters"

Yes, because that was the entire point. The Republicans' "voter fraud" lie was just a cover story.

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FarneyMac 2 years, 11 months ago

That's just brilliant. If I had just moved to Kansas and wanted to register to vote, to combat voter fraud (a problem that doesn't exist in Kansas), I would have to send away to Wisconsin for my birth certificate, a process that takes $20 and up to 3 months to be fulfilled. So much for democracy.

These provincial, fascist morons like Kobach apparently have a hard time understanding that not everyone lives close to where they were born - not everyone has daddy's dealership to support them.

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Bill Lee 2 years, 11 months ago

Having to purchase a birth certificate to vote is the same as a poll tax. I thought we got rid of those forty years ago. If Kobach wants everyone to show one to register, then he needs to get the state to supply them at no charge.

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