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Wichita man petitions state to keep President Obama off Kansas ballot in 2012

David Merton Shultz of Wichita talks about his petition he filed with Kansas officials, alleging that President Barack Obama has not proven he is a natural born U.S. citizen. Shultz petitioned the State Objections Board to keep the president off the Kansas ballot in 2012.

April 11, 2011, 12:15 p.m. Updated April 11, 2011, 4:17 p.m.

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David Merton Shultz on Monday displays documents during a presentation before the State Objections Board in his petition to keep President Obama off the ballot in 2012. Shultz says Obama hasn't provided proof that he is a natural born U.S. citizen.

David Merton Shultz on Monday displays documents during a presentation before the State Objections Board in his petition to keep President Obama off the ballot in 2012. Shultz says Obama hasn't provided proof that he is a natural born U.S. citizen.

— A Wichita man on Monday petitioned top state officials to keep President Barack Obama off the Kansas ballot in 2012, saying that the president wasn’t eligible for the office because he has failed to prove he was born in the United States.

“I’m saying that he (Obama) is going to file documents to be on the Kansas ballot. At the time, I would like the state of Kansas to be prepared,” said David Merton Shultz.

The State Objections Board rejected Shultz’s request by a 3-0 vote, with members agreeing that the petition was too early. Under state law, any challenge of a candidate being on the ballot must be made within three days of that candidate officially filing his or her candidacy in the state.

In Obama’s case, that likely won’t happen until after the September 2012 Democratic national Convention.

The Objections Board is composed of Secretary of State Kris Kobach, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer. Colyer was represented at Monday’s meeting by Caleb Stegall, who is Gov. Sam Brownback’s general counsel.

None of the board members, all Republicans, made any comments about Obama’s birth. No one from Obama’s campaign attended the meeting.

In 2010, Kobach said Obama would resolve questions about his citizenship by producing a detailed birth certificate. A year before that, he joked at a GOP barbecue that Obama and God shared something in common because neither has a birth certificate.

Shultz, 63, who described himself as a movie prop engineer, said he has done hundreds of hours of research and has concluded that Obama, a Democrat, hasn’t proved he was born in this country. That would make him ineligible to be president because the U.S. Constitution says only natural born citizens of the United States may be eligible for the office, he said.

Shultz questioned the validity of Obama’s certificate of live birth, and said Obama’s supporters have spent a lot of time and money to smear those who question where he was born as racists or so-called birthers.

State of Hawaii officials have affirmed that Obama’s original birth certificate is real and that the shorter certificate of live birth is the standard document given to any Hawaii resident who requests his or her birth certificate. Newspapers in Hawaii also published contemporaneous birth announcements for Barack Obama in August 1961, when the president was born.

But Shultz said it was peculiar that a “mulatto baby” was born and yet no one from the hospital remembers the occasion. “That was not a common occurrence. It would stick in someone’s mind,” he said.

Shultz said he would be back at the appropriate time to file a challenge, and asked that state officials pass a law similar to one considered in Arizona in which a candidate for president would be required to show proof of citizenship to get on the ballot. “I’m here to partner with you guys,” Shultz told members of the Objections Board.

But Stegall told him, “The task of this board is not to provide help with you coming back later.”

Kobach said Monday’s hearing was standard procedure when someone files a petition with the Objections Board.

Comments

jhawkinsf 3 years, 8 months ago

Clearly, he has too much time on his hands.

akhmatova 3 years, 8 months ago

Let us juxtapose two quotations from here and let them speak for themselves:

"Shultz questioned the validity of Obama's certificate of live birth, and said Obama's supporters have spent a lot of time and money to smear those who question where he was born as racists or so-called birthers."

"But Shultz said it was peculiar that a "mulatto baby" was born and yet no one from the hospital remembers the occasion. "That was not a common occurrence. It would stick in someone's mind," he said."

OldEnuf2BYurDad 3 years, 8 months ago

I was born a mullato baby in California in 1964. Do I need a witness from the delivery room to prove that I exist?

This should not be filed under "Politics". It should be filed under "Mental Health".

notanota 3 years, 8 months ago

I think that means you must be secretly Kenyan.

KEITHMILES05 3 years, 8 months ago

I am going to research to see if this guy is nutso.

Phil Minkin 3 years, 8 months ago

How much is this lunatic going to cost the state in man hours and resources to deal with this non-issue? This guy and the Donald should confine their rants to others who wear tin foil helments have been abducted by aliens.

Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't know why everyone is always talking about tin foil helments and hats. Anyone that has spent time studying electromagnetic fields should know that gold foil is much more effective, because it has much higher magnetic permeability, given an equal thickness of the foil.

But, aluminum foil is much cheaper and is readily available.

DRsmith 3 years, 8 months ago

Does it really matter? Does this guy think Obama will carry KS?

Kirk Larson 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't know...with GOP candidates like Palin, Bachman, the Donald, Hucklebee he just might.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 3 years, 8 months ago

It's the principle of the lie that's important!~)

gccs14r 3 years, 8 months ago

My state-issued Certificate of Live Birth was sufficient for the State Department to issue me a passport. My hospital-issued Birth Certificate, the one with the name of the hospital, the doc's signature, and my footprints, has Not a Legal Document printed right in the middle of it. I wonder how many of these nutters have looked at their own birth documents?

Majestic42 3 years, 8 months ago

Well now we know you're not eligible for public office.

GmaD321 3 years, 8 months ago

Find something new to gripe about. This is so-o-o yesterdays misinformation.

Ian Legler 3 years, 8 months ago

What I don't understand about people who are making these accusations is this...

Don't you think that the powers that be, namely Congress, etc would have done enough research to verify that Obama indeed was born a US citizen?

Richard Payton 3 years, 8 months ago

Mwai Kibaki Kenya's President claims to have witnessed President Obama's birth in Kenya. Why would he make these accusations?

ebyrdstarr 3 years, 8 months ago

Now that's one I've not heard before. I thought I was pretty well versed in all the silly birther claims. But I did a google search and couldn't find any story or blog post reporting this claim. So would you mind sharing where on earth you heard this nugget from?

kugrad 3 years, 8 months ago

That is bull. Also disproven is the story that Obama's kenyan grandmother witnessed the birth. These stories, and that is what they are, are totally false, but still repeated by the gullible.

easyliving 3 years, 8 months ago

Fox News I presume? (Or Facts News to some of you) Get outside a little more, the sun will do you some good.

Icy_Flame48 3 years, 8 months ago

Absolutely, not. You are taking a lot for granted.

Henry_the_liberal 3 years, 8 months ago

"Obama couldn't carry Kansas if the other candidate was the devil himself."

I thought Bush already had his two terms.

cantbelievemyeyes 3 years, 8 months ago

Regardless of the birth certificate nonsense, his mother is an American citizen therefore so is he!

Fred Mertz 3 years, 8 months ago

It is not enough to be an American citizen, you must be a natural born president which means born here in the United States, not abroad.

Betty Bartholomew 3 years, 8 months ago

Not true, otherwise no US military child born abroad would qualify for the presidency.

Nor, theoretically, would any child of US parents that happened to be born in, say, Canada or Mexico because their parents were silly enough to go on a trip that close to the kid being born.

deec 3 years, 8 months ago

How does one determine "natural born president?"

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 8 months ago

McCain was born in Panama. What's the big deal? Obama could have been born in Jamaica for all I care...The fact remains that his mother is an American and whereever he was born he'd still be considered AMERICAN and have dual citizenship.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A memorandum to Congress dated April 3, 2009, written by the Congressional Research Service, states--

Considering the history of the constitutional qualifications provision, the common use and meaning of the phrase "natural-born subject" in England and in the Colonies in the 1700s, the clause's apparent intent, the subsequent action of the first Congress in enacting the naturalization act of 1790 (expressly defining the term "natural born citizen" to include a person born abroad to parents who are United States citizens), as well as subsequent Supreme Court dicta, it appears that the most logical inferences would indicate that the phrase "natural born Citizen" would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth."

average 3 years, 8 months ago

That is if you assume that Stanley Ann Dunham is Obama's mother. Which, and I do find this just plain odd, basically every birther I've seen seems willing to accept at face value. They have no more evidence that she was his mother than they have of anything else, but seem fine with that. If I were starting a wacky conspiracy theory, I'd start there, because as you note, if she was a citizen, he was a natural-born citizen, no matter where he was.

Zachary Stoltenberg 3 years, 8 months ago

Not true, according to the laws on the books at the time, Hawaii was not a state. If Barry O was born in 61 and Hawaii became a state in 64 then he wasn't born in the U.S. For "naturalized" citizenship to occur, according to the law at the time, BOTH parents had to be citizens. His father, obviously, is not.

Gareth Skarka 3 years, 8 months ago

It became a state in August of 1959, genius.

verity 3 years, 8 months ago

You're wrong about the date, but it doesn't matter as it was a territory. My mother was born in Arizona Territory to naturalized citizens U.S citizens and she was automatically a citizen.

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

"Obama could have been born in Jamaica for all I care...The fact remains that his mother is an American and whereever he was born he'd still be considered american and have dual citizenship."

So you really don't care what the constitution says?

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 8 months ago

Taking the first half of the post out of context while ignoring the second half is a very "Fox News" sort of thing to do. You have learned well, grasshopper. But just to repeat:

"A memorandum to Congress dated April 3, 2009, written by the Congressional Research Service, states--

Considering the history of the constitutional qualifications provision, the common use and meaning of the phrase "natural-born subject" in England and in the Colonies in the 1700s, the clause's apparent intent, the subsequent action of the first Congress in enacting the naturalization act of 1790 (expressly defining the term "natural born citizen" to include a person born abroad to parents who are United States citizens), as well as subsequent Supreme Court dicta, it appears that the most logical inferences would indicate that the phrase "natural born Citizen" would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth." "

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

Natural born is well defined in American law as an phrase lifted from common law and English law which requires the child be born in a location under control of the sovereign, not just any old place you happen to be born of any parents, American or otherwise. Fox news the last half of this.

"The court ruled:

It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born. III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established."

Kenya doesn't work if he was born there.

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

"A memorandum to Congress dated April 3, 2009, written by the Congressional Research Service, states"

Congress and it's representatives can say anything. The Supreme Court has the last word. Why would you even bother posting a quote by an utterly irrelevant entity?

Do you even know we have 3 branches of government and what the words executive, legislative and judicial mean?

Steve Bunch 3 years, 8 months ago

"The Objections Board is comprised of Secretary of State Kris Kobach, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer."

No, the Objections Board COMPRISES Secretary of State etc.....

Steve Bunch 3 years, 8 months ago

I'd settle for a doctor's note indicating irony deficiency.

mom_of_three 3 years, 8 months ago

He has produced a certificate of life birth from Hawaii. There is a record of it in vital statistics from that date. And if you request a copy of your birth certificate from Kansas, you will also get a certificate of live birth, which can be used to obtain a passport. So does that mean all americans who can not produce a "long birth certificate" are non-citizens?

Steve Bunch 3 years, 8 months ago

You're wasting your keystrokes. People believe what they want to believe. The simple fact is that a lot of people refuse to believe that a man with dark skin could be president.

mom_of_three 3 years, 8 months ago

yeah, i know. i am related to some of them. lol

Fred Mertz 3 years, 8 months ago

The issue isn't whether he is a citizen or not but whether he is a natural born citizen. No doubt he is a citizen, but the question is if he was born here.

Arnold Swartzenager is a US citizen, but he can't be president because he wasn't born here. And yes, I know I spelled his name wrong, but you know who I am talking about.

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

"So does that mean all americans who can not produce a "long birth certificate" are non-citizens?"

No. That's silly. It means we shouldn't be allowed to hold the office of president.

ferrislives 3 years, 8 months ago

lawrenceguy40, see Crazy_Larry's post above for clarification. It should be insightful to you, but it probably won't be.

jonas_opines 3 years, 8 months ago

"If he could have done, this topic would have been closed years ago."

Haha. Nope.

parrothead8 3 years, 8 months ago

They published it on the Internet. Anyone able to type in "Obama birth certificate" can find it. Here's one of the over 846,000 hits you'll get:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/2008-06-12_obama_birth_certificate.jpg

Nice try, genius.

whats_going_on 3 years, 8 months ago

oh good GOD, shut up already, you obsessed, creepy morons.

whats_going_on 3 years, 8 months ago

Heck, even if Obama WASNT natural born, he's more sane than these creeps, I'd much rather have him in charge anyway.

beatrice 3 years, 8 months ago

John McCain showed his birth certificate ages ago -- it is worth taking a look at, because they handled these things differently back then: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/15writing.html

northtowngrl 3 years, 8 months ago

LOL I love it! Half the people on here didn't even get that!

OldEnuf2BYurDad 3 years, 8 months ago

"[GASP!!] This baby is a MIXED BREED child!! Call Ripley's!!"

In Hawaii? Every kid in Hawaii was some "shade" of color back then.

mauka 3 years, 8 months ago

EXACTLY! I live in Hawaii and a mixed race baby out here is about as shocking as a child with Swedish features in central Kansas. Guy is a nutter. It would have been more memorable in Hawaii if he was a blue-eyed blonde.

danmoore 3 years, 8 months ago

Before we can proceed with your request Mr. Shultz the state needs to verify that you have a high school diploma.

CLARKKENT 3 years, 8 months ago

LETS REALLY STIR THE POT.

I SEE THE BOARD THAT DECIDES WHO GETS ON THE BALLOT IS A BUNCH OF "GOOD" REPUBLICANS. THAT IS REALLY SWELL.

ALL THE STUFF THAT OBAMA IS GETTING IN TROUBLE FOR WAS STARTED DURING W'S ADMINISTRATION. IT TOOK W EIGHT YEARS TO SCREW US UP, NOBODY CAN FIX IT IN TWO YEARS.

ALL THE MONEY WE HAVE SPENT ON W'S WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION WOULD PROBABLY BALANCE THE BUDGET.

tomatogrower 3 years, 8 months ago

You know I've been unhappy that we aren't out of the middle east yet, so Obama hasn't lived up to my hopes, but this guy has converted me. Now I will vote for Obama, even if I have to write in his name.

Kirk Larson 3 years, 8 months ago

Hundreds of hours of research. What, contemplating his own navel?

And. oh the shock of a "mulatto" baby! Let me guess...this guy is a republican. http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/04/mississippi-46-of-polled-republicans.html

gccs14r 3 years, 8 months ago

The folks in MS probably misunderstood the question.

bevy 3 years, 8 months ago

Please don't demean our entire state because of one whacko. Though I don't doubt that if he moved to Missouri, both states would experience an increase in their cumulative IQ.

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

It's unconstitutionals to keep obama off the ballot just because he can't prove he's a natural born citizen. He should still be allowed to run as dog catcher. I still wouldn't vote for him, but we really need to follow the constitution.

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

Good point. Lincoln was born in 1809, in illinois, which didn't become a state until 1817. He should have never been president.

He would have made a good dog catcher though. Maybe he could have hired Sherman to starve female dogs and puppies for him.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 8 months ago

Lincoln was born in Kentucky. Kentucky was admitted to the union in 1792.

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

OK, I was wrong. That solves that. He could be president, but I still think he would have been a better dog catcher and sherman could have been a primo dog starver.

verity 3 years, 8 months ago

When will you get it through your head that a territory of the U.S. is part of the U.S. When a territory became a state doesn't matter.

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

"the Iraq war, killing thousands of Americans, shipped jobs overseas"

What does that have to do with the inability of obama to prove he is an naturally born American?

"how stupid and ignorant a person can get."

Stupid and ignorant enough to rely on red herrings so it seems.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 3 years, 8 months ago

Have another drink and retomfoolerize your livery unstable!~)

Olympics 3 years, 8 months ago

The only good thing I can say about this man is that he won't be on the planet for too much longer.

Looking at the demographics of the tea party/birther folks ALWAYS makes me smile. Here's one from your generation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIE2GA...

Glenn Reed 3 years, 8 months ago

So...

You do realize that an editorial is an opinion, right? You must realize that linking to an editorial does nothing to bring credibility to your position, right?

brewmaster 3 years, 8 months ago

Why...why...why is there another nut-job from Kansas getting publicity for lunatic ideas? We already have to contend with "Phred" in Topeka, Tom Shewmon in the LJWorld forums and now Sargent Schultz in Wichita, Oh the humanity.

akuna 3 years, 8 months ago

huh, imagine that, he's a 60+ year old white man. I'm guessing there is a streak of bigotry in his history.

rockchalker52 3 years, 8 months ago

that vid looks like a tv pilot to me. Isn't that randy quaid?

beatrice 3 years, 8 months ago

You know how conservatives keep saying that Muslims need to control their extremists, or at least speak out against them? Clearly, conservatives should be speaking out against their own extremists as well.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm conservative. I've said it before and I'll say it again, birthers are at best misguided and at worst they are nuts. Obama was born in Hawaii and he is the rightfully elected President of the United States.

repaste 3 years, 8 months ago

They don't want to control them, it does not have to be factual, just keeping it out there is enough to keep a segment of shallow thinkers to believe there is something there. It is like Rove vs Richards "Would you still vote if she was a lesbian?" Folks like tom tom, lg40, soak it up.

ebyrdstarr 3 years, 8 months ago

Are you serious? My birth certificate, the original one given to my parents 8 days after I was born, is only signed by a civil servant. Has no information about where I was born, beyond the town. Doesn't list what doctor delivered me. Just the basics: my name, my parents' names, the date and the town of birth, and my father's occupation (no spot for mother's occupation). Is that really not good enough? Because the state where I was born, the state of Kansas, and the federal government all seem to think it's sufficient.

llama726 3 years, 8 months ago

Name one President in the past that you've asked to provide this.

Tell me it isn't racism.

repaste 3 years, 8 months ago

I think it was Sam Clemons who said "Don't try to match wits with a half wit"

ivalueamerica 3 years, 8 months ago

Crap like this is just too stupid for words...worse is the media eats it up and most embarasing for my country....idiots swallow it hook line and sinker.

I really felt like there was a time when Americans were thoughtful.

Now, so many of them are just chatty cathy dolls, repeating whatever they have been told to think.

rbwaa 3 years, 8 months ago

how about asking HIM to produce his detailed birth certificate before he can file his next challenge...

deec 3 years, 8 months ago

  1. "The Territory of Hawaii was a United States territory that existed from July 7, 1898, until August 21, 1959, when it was admitted to the Union as its fiftieth state, the State of Hawaii." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territor... 2.Obama's birth certificate authenticity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territor...
  2. Arnold cannot be president because neither of his parents were American and he was not born on U.S.controlled soil.
  3. "In situations where only one parent is a United States citizen, he or she must have lived in the United States for at least five years at some point before the child's birth as a full American citizen, and at least two of these five years must have occurred after the parent's 14th birthday. In the case of a child born to an American mother, the child is usually considered a natural born citizen, whether or not the mother is married. However, if an American father is involved in a relationship with a foreign woman and the couple is not married, the father may need to fight for the child's right to citizenship." http://www.wisegeek.com/in-the-united-states-what-is-a-natural-born-citizen.htm

Kontum1972 3 years, 8 months ago

hmmmmm..i went back to Providence Hospital and no one recognized me,.....AND i was born there.....

Kontum1972 3 years, 8 months ago

Shew doesnt like himself..let alone anyone else....leavenworth county is a good place for him....actually Tonganoxie is perfect...example....when i was in college i had a friend who lived there, i stopped in at a corner cafe there to ask directions, when i walk in the door I got stared down by all the crowd who was there....the person behind the counter said to me your not from these parts ...and i said no...SE Kansas all i wanted was directions......i got plenty of dirty looks from all the jethro's in there, and i left in a big hurry....i could of swore i heard the opening licks to Dueling Banjos....that town creeps me out.

Pretty bad when the Mayor gets caught sending out porno in emails...real smart...!

Everyone looks like cousins there....

beatrice 3 years, 8 months ago

The courts don't like it either. Why do you like something ruled unconstitutional by multiple judges?

ivalueamerica 3 years, 8 months ago

simple, he is a traitor to the Constitution.

borderraven 3 years, 8 months ago

Barack Obama was born a dual-citizen and is ineligible to be on the 2012 ballot.

The requirement that for consular registration within one year of birth applied only if the father was a Citizen of the UK and Colonies (CUKC) by descent only and the child was also to become a CUKC by descent rather than birth in the UK or colonies. As Barack Obama Sr, was born in the colony of Kenya, he was a CUKC by birth rather than descent. Thus, Barack Obama II was capable of becoming a CUKC by descent without the need for consular registration.

British Nationality Act, 1948 (11 & 12 Geo. 6.) CHAPTER 56.

ARRANGEMENT OF SECTIONS PREAMBLE Part II Citizenship of the United Kingdom and Colonies. Citizenship by birth or descent. 5. Citizenship by descent. 5.—(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth: Provided that if the father of such a person is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent only, that person shall not be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by virtue of this section unless— (a) that person is born or his father was born in a protectorate, protected state, mandated territory or trust territory or any place in a foreign country where by treaty, capitulation, grant, usage, sufferance, or other lawful means, His Majesty then has or had jurisdiction over British subjects; or"

Foreign consulates are authorized in the US under treaty, therefore "His Majesty then has or had jurisdiction over British subjects".

Betty Bartholomew 3 years, 8 months ago

Point me to the part of the current United States law that says dual citizens are ineligible despite being born to an American parent.

deec 3 years, 8 months ago

Doesn't matter. Mom was a citizen and he was born in the U.S.

oldbaldguy 3 years, 8 months ago

"everybody was kung fu fighting," i am normally a conservative but that does not mean i am crazy or a racist. Herr Shultz is both. This kind of crap will guarantee the Democrats winning in 2012. "If you tell a big enough lie, it will be believed," with reference to Joseph Goebbels.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 3 years, 8 months ago

For LG40 and the rest of the "Off-Our-Meds Posse":

Explain this: http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif

So... let's understand the conspiracy. The little African nation of Kenya planted a child in the U.S. in 1961 in hopes (a very loooong shot) that their little spy would do well in school and someday become president , destroying our Christian nation in the name of Allah for the sum of 70 virgins.

And we KNOW this is true because there would have been a police inquiry into any live births of children born out of an impure/unholy union of people of two different races. The man was never hung from a tree, and the woman never stoned for her perversion, so it never happened.

Something like that?

whatadrag 3 years, 8 months ago

Just by reading the first sentence of the article, I get the impression that this David Shultz is a waste of breath and resources

OldEnuf2BYurDad 3 years, 8 months ago

You "birther" folks don't have an issue with Obama, you have an issue with the government of one of the 50 United States. If this info is false, then your attack is against the official government of Hawaii.

Are you willing to entertain that the State of Hawaii is participating in the conspiracy? The Kenyans AND the State of Hawaii, along with the local paper sat in a smoke-filled room and cooked up this plan in 1961. Hawaii is still committed to ruining the country 50 years later, so they are keeping up the ruse.

Doug Fisher 3 years, 8 months ago

Kansas...truly as bigoted as you think! Thank god I moved away when the going was good! Now I wonder if this question would be asked of a white president?!

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