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Peaceful protest planned of Kobach’s immigration speech at Lawrence’s Lied Center

April 11, 2011, 4:05 p.m. Updated April 12, 2011, 8:49 a.m.

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A Lawrence group will stage a peaceful protest Tuesday before Secretary of State Kris Kobach’s speech on immigration at the Lied Center.

“While we respect Kobach’s freedom to present his opinions to the university community, it is important to remind people that the policies he promotes are very harmful,” said Sean Weston, a leader with the Lawrence Action Network for Diversity and a Kansas University freshman in American Studies.

Kobach, who has helped pass laws and ordinances across the nation aimed at illegal immigration, will deliver a lecture entitled “State and local laws discouraging illegal immigration: Their economic and security impact.” The lecture is part of the J.A. Vickers and Robert E. Vickers Sr. Memorial Lecture Series put on by the KU School of Business.

Kobach is scheduled to speak at 7 p.m. The protest will take place at 6 p.m. at the Lied Center’s southeast parking lot.

Members of LAND said that studies show that undocumented workers are an integral part of the economy and that they are less likely to commit crimes than their citizen counterparts.

“Deporting them would cause economic disaster and family destruction — surely not Kansas values,” said Enrique Penaloza, pastor of Hispanic Ministries at Plymouth Congregational Church.

The Lawrence Action Network for Diversity was formed to help prevent an Arizona-style immigration law from being passed in Kansas. Kobach helped write that law, which requires police to question people’s immigration status while enforcing other laws if there is a reasonable suspicion they’re in the country illegally. Major parts of that law have been blocked by a federal court.

Comments

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

It will be like the phelps clan got new signs!

parco814 3 years, 8 months ago

Your comment is both stupid and wrong. The dissenters will express themselves in a civil, constructive way. They are questioning authority. That's American. They are holding an elected official accountable. That's American. You don't like that? Your problem.

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

Who said I didn't like it? I think it's just as ok as the phelps clan out walking around with their signs.

But let's here more from you on this. Do you think people should only be allowed to express their opinions when they question authority or hold an elected official accountable? Are you the new arbiter of free speech?

Protip: You have already lost.

"That's American"

LOL. Hurp de durp!

FedUPInNC 3 years, 8 months ago

do you think you are the only one with an opinion on this subject? these folks here have the same freedom of speech and of the press just as you do. Illegal Aliens in this country are the ones who have no rights here, civil or other wise. when ever somebody with common sense speaks out against whats going on in this country as far as Illegal Aliens are concerned, look out because they want to protest. why don't they do their protesting in their own country of origin? they dare not do it because they are "COWARDS" in their own country."WHY DON'T YOU SPEAK UP FOR THEM IN WHAT EVER COUNTRY THEY HAIL FROM.

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

"Illegal Aliens in this country are the ones who have no rights here"

That is wrong of course. The constitution speaks of "citizens" and "persons", and as long as the illegal alien is a human, it is also a person, with the rights afforded them by the constitution.

Plurilingual 3 years, 8 months ago

Well stated Liberty275. I find it sad that many don't care to understand that the authors of the Constitution deliberately chose either Person or Citizen when drafting certain provisions.

kernal 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't get your comparison to the Phelps clan. The only comparison is the protestors today may be carrying signs.

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

People carrying around signs all look like people expressing their opinions under the protections afforded us in this country. The words on the signs are irrelevant to the beauty of the people exercising their rights.

parco814 3 years, 8 months ago

No, we're in Kansas all right, it's just that you don't appear to want dissent from Kobach's position in Kansas, or at least this kind of dissent. Tough.

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

Yeah! Tough mr tange. They are going to walk around with their signs whether you like it or not.

Steve Jacob 3 years, 8 months ago

Knowing the history of protest in Lawrence, you will get one or two nut jobs in the bunch and make all the protesters look bad.

ivalueamerica 3 years, 8 months ago

Your language betrays your mentality. You have failed on all levels.

Most on both sides would love to see an end to illegal immigration. Just that once side tends to have nationalistic instead of patriotic, racist instead of rational, kneejerk instead of thoughtful, violent instead of peaceful...approaches to address the illegal immigration problem.

it does not matter if you are talking abortion, immigration, or whatever.

The ignorant rhetoric is so far from the truth it is disgusting and you buy it hook line and sinker..then regurgitate is showing that you are unable to think for your yourself, that your news is really just headlines and propoganda talking points and not fact.

And no, I will not aim this ONLY at you. Calling opposing health care reform a war on women or wanting to kill women is stupid. Calling protesting what I consider IGNORANT instead of thoughtful immigration reform is stupid and calling people who are pro-choice ..pro abortion instead is stupid.

The fact is, and i will be very clear....

Both sides would be happy if illegal immigration ended.

Both sides would be happy if no woman was in a situation to need an abortion.

Both sides would be happy if woman had access to health care and would not die needlessly.

It is just the approach to solving the problem that differs.

And somehow, our country has lost its mind, gone bipolar and instead of realizing we are working for the same goal, we have decided that our different approaches are a war and we must win at all costs.

Lost is the core American value that we are all in this together and need to learn how to address our problems together.

That our representatives represent ALL their constituants, not just those their party .... or worse...their corporate donors.

and people like you follow instead of lead...repeat instead of think....react instead of act.

You have no morals or values whatsoever...if it is conservative, you are for it, if it is liberal, you are against it. I would not matter one bit to you if it were better, it would not matter one bit to you if it were honest...only if it is your side.

And your personal failure, repeated millions of times over each day from the LJ website to the halls of Congress...is destroying our country.

You and those like you, left or right, have done more damage to the USA than Al Quada ever could.

Mary Alexander 3 years, 8 months ago

WOW!!! I love what you have just stated. When will people understand we have to work together. Very strong points.

appleaday 3 years, 8 months ago

Then why don't people like Kobach go after the businesses that hire people who are undocumented?

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

At least there, the quasi-slaves can drink the water.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 8 months ago

"Deporting them would cause economic disaster and family destruction - surely not Kansas values. But letting illegal immigrants stay causes a breakdown in the rule of law, also not a Kansas value. What I resent is someone else putting me in a no win position. Obey the law and if you don't like the law, change it.

beatrice 3 years, 8 months ago

"Wanna protest the right thing? Protest the failure of the Federal Government to do its job."

People do know that far more illegal immigrants, particularly those with criminal backgrounds other than just entering the country illegally, have been arrested and deported under Obama than the previous administration, don't they? In fact, deportations are at a record rate under Obama. You would think people would be thanking President Obama ... oh, it is Obama. Nevermind.

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/05/20-11

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/25/AR2010072501790.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/0812/Obama-as-border-cop-He-s-deported-record-numbers-of-illegal-immigrants

People often don't like it when the facts interfere with their perceptions. Thank you President Obama for getting the feds to do their job.

Oh, and that law written for Arizona by Kobach has been halted for being unconstitutional.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 8 months ago

You've thrown that statement out there before. At the current rate of deportation it would take roughly a century to deport the illegal immigrants currently here, assuming no more came in. Surely you're not suggesting that is a solution to the problem, are you?

beatrice 3 years, 8 months ago

I know! I keep repeating the truth, but people around here still argue that the "feds aren't doing their job." Sorry, but when I see that repeated over and over again, it rings a bit hollow under the evidence given. It really does raise the question of just why aren't conservatives happy that Obama is deporting record numbers of illegal immigrants? Is it because Obama is doing what conservative presidents had failed to do?

It will take 100 years at the current rate you say? Just think, if the previous administration had done what Obama is willing to do, we would already be down to 90 years to clear up the problem. A journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step, does it not ... or are you arguing against deportation of illegal immigrants, particularly those with criminal backgrounds as Obama has been doing?

If we add national laws going after the companies that hire illegals, I suspect it would take far less than 100 years to clear up the problem, don't you think?

jhawkinsf 3 years, 8 months ago

A journey of a 1000 miles does indeed begin with a single step. However, you will never reach your destination if your next two steps are backwards.
Let's be perfectly honest, advocates who don't want illegal immigrants deported, those that suggest that they are important to our economy or they suggest we are cruel for tearing families apart, what they are really advocating for is something akin to amnesty. We had a one time amnesty already. And even if we had another, there is no guarantee that more illegal immigrants wouldn't come here waiting for the next one time amnesty.
I am all for immigration done in a legal, orderly manner. We have a process in place to deal with immigration. Many of our laws are complex and difficult to maneuver, like our tax laws. But we are all expected to obey the laws. If they break immigration laws, can I break tax laws? Can good drivers drive without insurance? Can some other adult choose to sell pot to my teen?
If the American people want to change the laws, they can vote for representatives that will do that. And if they do, as they did previously did with the amnesty, I'll say fine. But until that happens, I think illegal immigrants and those those who hire them, should be prosecuted just like tax cheats, drivers driving without insurance, and pot sellers.

Liberty275 3 years, 8 months ago

I wonder how many of the protesters will be carrying signs condemning obama for his record rate of deporting illegal aliens. Any ideas?

ivalueamerica 3 years, 8 months ago

FACT..

More illegal immigrants have been deported under the Obama administration to date than were deported under the entire Bush administration.

tunahelper 3 years, 8 months ago

that is utter horse hockey! don't you love it when liberals just make up lies, especially when it come to the Annointed One!

jhawkinsf 3 years, 8 months ago

I'll repeat my comment from above. At the current rate of deportation, it will take about a century to deport all the illegal immigrants currently here. That assumes zero additional illegal immigrants enter the country. Clearly, that is not a solution to the problem. If your argument is that the Bush administration deserves a grade of F- and that the Obama administration deserves a grade of F, therefore Obama is doing a vastly better job,well, fine.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 8 months ago

There's a revolving door at the border. The deported illegal aliens go south one day and sneak back north the next. Nice way to make impressive numbers but doesn't solve the basic problem.

tunahelper 3 years, 8 months ago

we need a 50 foot high 10,000 volt electric fence with border with Mexico. And a mile wide strip of landmines in case any attempt to sneak thru.

FedUPInNC 3 years, 8 months ago

To be truthful about the matter, Illegal immigration is sending this country to H**L in a hand basket! just take a look around you and see all of the negatives of people being in the country "ILLEGALLY". their presence is hurting a lot of people and thats the truth. I want an honest answer from those of you who are speaking up for Illegals to tell me that if the majority of those who are here Illegally were Hatians instead of Hispanics, would you still feel the same? some how I don't think you would. IMO, its all about the skin color for those speaking on behalf of Illegal Alians that are of Hispanic origin.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 8 months ago

After all if Kobach was serious he could stay in Topeka and have employers arrested if employees are somehow illegal. It is after all employers who are attracting "illegal" immigrants.

Kobach is doing nothing but grandstanding and wasting Kansas tax dollars apparently with the approval of Gov. Brownback. There are likely federal laws in place dealing with "illegal" immigrants and the employers that hire them.

Who said the repubs are about less big government? Perhaps this is nothing but political rhetoric....

Flap Doodle 3 years, 8 months ago

Many illegal aliens work in the lawn care industry. The tax records of all those businesses should be very carefully examined. Not doing that would be dumb and irresponsible!!!!!!

Flap Doodle 3 years, 8 months ago

Will ICE be there taking photos to identify miscreants?

deec 3 years, 8 months ago

When my Czech ancestors came over, if they passed the legal inspection and health inspection at Ellis Island, they were in. It didn't take months of paperwork and lots of money. My Irish ancestors "snuck in" across the Canadian border in 1858. They found jobs or farmed, and became citizens. Why do we hold modern immigrants to different standards than our own ancestors had to meet? The only solution to the current immigration situation is to go after the employers with painful fines, prison time for executives and managers, and asset seizure. Or a simple guest worker program might work, but would not address the exploitation of the workers. If you don't like illegal immigration, boycott the corporations that are hiring them. You can start with Farmland. They run the ham factory six miles from my home. Ever since they broke the union here, the population of non-Czech-Amiericans has exploded. But I guess that's just a coincidence.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 8 months ago

The best way to distinguish between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants is racial profiling, a practice that is abhorrent in the eyes of the law and a practice that I personally find abhorrent. The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants come from south of the border. Employers are frequently caught between a rock and a hard place where they can either use an unreliable method of determining legal status or they can engage in the above stated abhorrent practice. That is the reality of what is happening. That said, if an employer knowingly hires illegal immigrants, they should face the appropriate penalties under the law. And the illegal immigrants themselves, having broken the law by entering the country without permission should also suffer the penalties provided under the law. Both, Not one, Not the other, Both.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 8 months ago

I hope you did not interpret my post to suggest that I believe discrimination or racial profiling is acceptable. I don't. I was highlighting the problem employers have in determining who is a legal resident and who is an illegal immigrant.

Mike Ford 3 years, 8 months ago

spreichen sie duetch ouslander? spreichen sie deutch herr kobach? gieben sie ein paperin herr kobach... das ischt nacht gut dumkampf....

yehlingling 3 years, 8 months ago

Presently, the United States is the greatest debtor nation in the world due to its many short-sighted domestic and foreign policies. Tens of millions of U.S. born citizens and legal immigrants of diverse backgrounds still live in poverty. High unemployment affects all racial groups. Conversely, within 30 years, China went from sympbolizing poverty to now holding the world's largest foreign currency reserves and being our largest foreign creditor with 115 billionaire citizens! Brazil also has become a top emerging economy. Also, according to a Forbes report issued in March 2011, Brazil, Russia, India and China together have 25% of the world's billionaires. Latin America also has many billionaires, including the world's wealthiest person is Mexican citizen Carlos Slim Helu. Therefore, Americans who feel sympathy for foreign-born poor should not advocate immigration, but urge U.S. and foreign-born billionaires to work with impoverished nations' governments, to curb population growth in each country, educate their citizens, and provide job opportunities locally. The Chinese and Brazilians have successfully improved life for their citizens so should other developing nations. Yeh Ling-Ling Alliance for a Sustainble USA

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