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Doctors, dentists have highest-paid jobs in Kansas, according to Kansas Department of Labor

September 29, 2010

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— It's good to be a doctor in Kansas.

The Kansas Department of Labor says surgeons in Kansas make an average of $230,090 a year. And the next 10 high-paying jobs are all doctors and dentists.

The labor department says the average wage in Kansas in May 2009 was $18.52 an hour. That is an increase from $18.10 in May 2008, but $2.38 an hour below the national pay average.

Other than doctors, some of the best-paying jobs were:

CEOs, $139,340; optometrists, $129,420; judges and magistrates, $122,970; nuclear engineers, $111,290; natural sciences managers, $110,270; engineering managers, $106,660; and marketing managers, $105,050.

The Kansas City Star reports that seven of the 10 lowest-paid occupations in Kansas were food preparation and service jobs.

Comments

farva 7 years, 8 months ago

Any idea what a natural sciences manager is?

1southernjayhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

.....and those that work hard in school, do well, extend their education years beyond most others at considerable sacrifice and expense, and work in an area for which there is so much demand get richer.

skinny 7 years, 8 months ago

True, you get what you put into it!

babyboycat 7 years, 8 months ago

That's because the patients are getting the shaft. We are the ones paying for that big salary and fancy houses and cars. They are out of control

situveux1 7 years, 8 months ago

I'd rather have a rich doctor take care of me over a poor one any day.

jafs 7 years, 8 months ago

Really?

I'd rather have a good doctor than a bad one, regardless of income.

aa469285 7 years, 8 months ago

Feel free to diagnose and treat yourself the next time you get sick. This is America after all. Don't bow down to those evil money-grubbing doctors. Heal thyself!

skinny 7 years, 8 months ago

They earn it! You are more than welcome to go to school for ten plus years and fork out hundreds of dollars thousands of dollars in expenses. Until then you haven't a leg to stand on!

guesswho 7 years, 8 months ago

don't go to a doctor or a dentist then.

whats_going_on 7 years, 8 months ago

actually, you should probably blame the insurance companies first and foremost.

And then think of all the expenses doctors have to incur, and the crap they have to put up with on a daily basis.

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2010/06/doctors-money-people.html

fancy80 7 years, 8 months ago

why should we blame the insurance companies first and foremost? How about we blame the Hospitals for charging $8 for a aspirin? Or maybe the medical products companies that sell MRI machines for a million dollars? I have no problem with doctors being paid the most. I was just very surprised that Lawyers were not in the top 10.

fancy80 7 years, 8 months ago

Well guess what verigo? The "evil" insurance companies pay the $8 for the aspirin for people that are insured to help make up for the people that come to the hospital and don't pay their bill because they don't have or can't get insurance. My question to w_g_o was why are we blaming ins. companies because Dr's make the most money. I don't have time to research, but I'm guessing that Dr's were making the most money way before the ins. companies became evil.

fancy80 7 years, 8 months ago

so when everyone has insurance in 2014, hospitals won't charge $8 for an aspirin and doctors will lower their office visit fees, right?

Oh goody, I can't wait!!!

DrRustinMcGillicuddy 7 years, 8 months ago

MRI machines are extremely expensive to produce, operate, transport, and maintain; that's just part of living in the 21st century. Until a group of kids and a zany teacher manage to board a magic bus into your blood stream and to count molecules by hand, we are going to have to adhere to the notion that really, really big magnets and their associated precision measurements cost quite a bit of money. (Don't consider this a bad thing, but rather that you are helping fund the science that put this kind of accessibility into our hands).

fancy80 7 years, 8 months ago

I do understand that. It was an example and perhaps a poor one. The fact is that the pharmacutical and medical supply industries are both in the top five most profitable industries, (according to CNN) which really has nothing to do with how much doctors make, but I get a little ticked off whenever healthcare comes up, it's blame the insurance companies. My question again was why should we blame the insurance companies first and foremost for doctors being highly compensated for their hard work and intelligence.

no_thanks 7 years, 8 months ago

Are you kidding me? They sacrifice 12 years of their lives with the most intense schooling around. Then, they assume a tremendous amount of liability in serving an increasingly demanding and rather unhealthy population (who lacks the willingness to assume any responsibility for their health and well-being) while being compensated at levels set by insurance companies and medicare that frequently don't cover expenses. Finance 101 teaches you that one's reward is commensurate with risk. That applies to everyone but physicians. Patients should just say thank you to Physicians for the time they take to improve the health of a community.

DrRustinMcGillicuddy 7 years, 8 months ago

I can guarantee you that you don't even have the faintest idea how much it costs to run a hospital for 24 hours; a major hospital in Dallas approaches $10 million a day.

DrRustinMcGillicuddy 7 years, 8 months ago

That's to POWER it, not to "run" it. Think about the salaries of each and every single person there, and then remember that it's operating at (hopefully) full capacity day-in and day-out, 24/7, 365 days a year.

whats_going_on 7 years, 8 months ago

dear jesus, do you actually believe the stuff you type.

Jimo 7 years, 8 months ago

You'd think as part of immigration reform we'd be looking at admitting more foreign physicians. That would bring down these average wages (a/k/a, reduce your medical expenses) and, since the government can tell aliens where to live unlike citizens, the government could direct these pioneer physicians to rural locations and inner cities where $200k U.S. physicians are in short supply.

kernal 7 years, 8 months ago

... since the government can tell aliens where to live .... Now would that be aliens from Mars or Planet X-145?

notajayhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

You have figures, I assume, saying that foreign born physicians get paid less in this country than those who were born here?

The entire reason they come here is because the pay is better. And the costs associated with becoming and remaining a physician are the same regardless of where that physician was born (e.g. the cost of medical school and malpractice insurance).

The government does not "tell aliens where to live". They do have to notify the immigration department of a change of address. They do not have to get it approved beforehand. And even the notification requirement is only in place until they raise their right hand and take the oath, which most of them do as soon as possible, since regardless of the feelings about how 'rich' people don't pay enough taxes in this country, they really get shafted in most of their countries of origin.

Jimo 7 years, 8 months ago

It's sad when I have to remind a wingnut about the nature of supply and demand. sigh

U.S. citizens have a constitutional right to live (and move around) anywhere in the U.S. Art. IV of the Constitution and in various court cases, most famously Shapiro v. Thompson and Saenz v. Roe.

Resident aliens have no such constitutional right. What policies the U.S. wishes to adopt as to their residence is up to the government and are constrained only by constitutional standards of due process. When and how these aliens might later become citizens is determined however the U.S. chooses to do so. (For now, it's scenic Johnson City, Kansas, for you Mr. Mukherjee!)

notajayhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

"t's sad when I have to remind a wingnut about the nature of supply and demand."

It's not sad at all, nor unexpected, to have to explain supply and demand to you. At least, it wouldn't be, but this has nothing to do with supply and demand. While some jobs pay better because of a limited supply of available labor and increased demand for the prospective employees' services, others are remunerated at a high level due to factors such as the years of education, extreme expense of that education, level of expertise required, and amount of work, effort, and sacrifice one has to endure to enter that profession. That's Sociology 101, jimmie, not Economics.

Besides which, little one, what does the place of a physician's birth have to do with supply and demand? If your (rather weak, as usual) argument is that increasing the number of physicians would lower their fees, then the same result could be gained through increasing the number of native-born physicians, couldn't it?

"What policies the U.S. wishes to adopt as to their residence is up to the government ."

And an example of such a law being passed or such a policy enforced is, jimmie?

[crickets]

Is there any limit to the number of topics you know absolutely nothing about, and insist on trying to pretend you do, jimmie?

easyliving 7 years, 8 months ago

Bam - Call a Doctor....we got a man down!

Jimo 7 years, 8 months ago

So to summarize: (a) wages "has nothing to do with supply and demand"

(b) 'I know nothing about the topic but feel free to contradict' those who do.

Typically obtuse.

fancy80 7 years, 8 months ago

I don't think we are supposed to call them aliens anymore. The proper term is "undocumented workers". Not trying to nit pick, just don't want you to get your a$$ chewed out by the resident liberals that police everything we say and do. And actually, that might not be a bad idea, but I doubt Farmer John is going to se Dr. Patel about his ED problem.

slvrntrt 7 years, 8 months ago

If university and medical school weren't so expensive, we wouldn't have to pay them so much.

QuinnSutore 7 years, 8 months ago

If people didn't get sick, we could live in the magic world of wellness and social equality and unicorns and rainbows and stuff.

kernal 7 years, 8 months ago

So many people complain about the high cost of medicine. Yes, it is expensive! You need to factor in the high overhead costs for physicians, the high costs of malpractice insurance (thanks to a few bad eggs and our litigious society) and the gargantuous student loans that many younger doctors have to pay back.

Don't forget there are physicians who volunteer their time and money to health clinics in Lawrence and the KC area as well.

Jimo, would you really want a third rate anesthesiologist?

gphawk89 7 years, 8 months ago

Yes, doctors make a lot of money. They have to. Tens of thousands per year spent on malpractice insurance. Probably thousands per year spent on training. They're required to take a number of hours of CME each year in order to keep their medical license. The costs of maintaining their licenses. The costs of maintaining membership in professional societies (AMA, etc.), which is sometimes not optional. Tens or of thousands per year goes to leasing their office space, buying equipment supplies for that office, utilities for the office, maintenance for the office. Tens (or hundreds, depending on the office size) of thousands per year goes to staffing their office (medical assistants, receptionists, billing specialists, etc.) * Hundreds of thousands to pay back the cost of medical school.

Clickker 7 years, 8 months ago

Actually none of the expenses are factored into thier salary. We dont pay people for the most part based on their expenses, or the expenses they incur to get there. That may factor into THEIR decision to pursue a particular career, but not in how much they already make.

gphawk89 7 years, 8 months ago

I guess it depends on your definition of "salary". The article didn't mention the word "salary" nor did it specify exactly how it came up with the wage numbers. At my job (and many others) a "salary" is what your employer pays you. Then you deduct expenses and taxes.

Most doctors I know in private practice do not have a salary per se. They just make what they make based on what the insurance companies will pay them (notice that I didn't say "what they bill the insurance companies" - there's a big difference, and not in the doctor's favor), pay all of the expenses I listed above, pay another 40% or so to taxes, and the rest is theirs.

Yeah, some doctors make a lot of money. They also might work 12-14 hour days 6 days per week, plus they're on call 24/7. If I were a MD, I'd be doing that right now. It won't be possible (or at least worthwhile) in the near future.

devobrun 7 years, 8 months ago

What's the point of this article? I think it is to generate LJW blog hits. Ups the counter and fills the coffers. Stirring up greed, jealousy and ignorance is great for generating comments.

fancy80 7 years, 8 months ago

exactly, because there isn't enough class warfare as it is. They (drs) may make the most in Kansas, which means they pay the most taxes too. One thing Obamacare could have addressed was providing tax write offs for providing free healthcare to the uninsured. The more uninsured they provided services for, the lower their tax bill. But as it is, the gov. will raise their taxes and lower their incomes, by limiting their compensation rates for Medicare and Medicaid patients. The evil insurance companies, by the way, pay more for the same services, which is why many doctors limit how many Medicare and Medicaid patients they will see.

TopJayhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

Doctors deserve every penny they earn.. Years of school. Tons of liability.
Long hours, few days off, and on top of it all, they get to deal with whiney people like some of you.

independant1 7 years, 8 months ago

I was a bit surprised, thought doctors made more and were rich.

fancy80 7 years, 8 months ago

I was surprised too, because Judges and Magistrates were listed, but not Lawyers. I know there has to be plenty of lawyers making over 230k.

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