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Local voices to counter religious intolerance

The Florida pastor and his church members who were threatening to burn the Quran to commemorate 9/11 are not mainstream, says local Muslims. Lawrence churches will be putting on an interfaith service this Saturday at 10 a.m. at Plymouth Congregational Church.

September 10, 2010

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Even though it’s unclear whether a Florida pastor will follow through with his plans to burn the Quran on Sept. 11, Christian, Muslim and Jewish leaders from Lawrence still intend to gather Saturday morning on the steps of the oldest church in Kansas.

“We feel that this is what needs to happen in this country right now,” said the Rev. Peter Luckey, senior pastor at Plymouth Congregational Church. “The moderate voices need to stand up because the extreme voices of hatred are way too dominant in the media.”

The Rev. Terry Jones, pastor of a small Florida church, gained media attention for criticizing the Quran, saying it incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims. His plans to burn Islam’s holiest text sparked an international outcry.

“I think it’s worth our while to continue to show goodwill towards Islamic people,” said the Rev. Josh Longbottom, Plymouth’s associate pastor, who is organizing the Lawrence event.

The service, “Interfaith Solidarity in the Wake of 9/11,” will be from 10 a.m. to 10:30 a.m. Saturday on the steps of Plymouth, 925 Vt.

Baha Safadi, executive director of the Islamic Center of Lawrence, said a member of the center will speak about Islam and peace.

“People who respect each other’s religions feel comfort and feel solidarity,” Safadi said. “It makes the whole society a happy, flourishing society instead of a society with animosity, dislike and distrust to each other.”

Eve Levin, a member of the Lawrence Jewish Community Center who will speak Saturday, said the center wanted to participate based on past world events when Jews were targeted and the Torah was burned.

“It’s incumbent upon us to speak out publicly and say, ‘No, we do not want this to happen,’” she said.

The Rev. Jill Jarvis, of the Unitarian Fellowship of Lawrence, will also speak Saturday.

“As a people of faith, we stand together against fear,” she said. “We stand united on the side of love.”

The Associated Press contributed to this story.

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hwarangdo 3 years, 7 months ago

As long as people on all sides keep pointing fingers and shouting "them" "they" "their religion" ... "our religion your religion" there will be arguments and fighting. That is what is happening now... again ... and again. Extremists / fanatics are just that, no matter what "side" they are from. Meanwhile, those who wish to live in peace with everyone are shoved out of the way by the media and those who want sensationalism ... and those who want fighting have another excuse. This is easily seen by those with wisdom. Those who have little wisdom are quick to scream and shout and burn things.

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 7 months ago

"It's a small but vocal group of Americans in this country pushing this anti-Muslim rhetoric," Ali said. "And unfortunately in our society, whomever shouts the loudest is going to get the most air time."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/09/10/ramadan.roadtrip.folo/index.html?hpt=C2

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

Speaking of intolerance: "MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) — A suicide car bomber exploded at the gate to Mogadishu's airport Thursday, and suicide bombers in a second vehicle rushed toward the terminal before exploding themselves short of their goal, officials said. Up to 14 people were killed, including five attackers. The coordinated assault was the latest in a surge of attacks by Islamist insurgents, who last month declared a new, stepped-up effort to oust the country's weak government. The barrage took place about 40 minutes after Somalia's president flew out of the country.The Somali government and the 7,000-man African Union force that protects Somalia's weak government gave slightly differing accounts of the attack, though they agreed on the broad outlines.After the suicide car bomber exploded at the front gate, 500 yards (meters) from the terminal, between two and four suicide bombers exited a second vehicle and battled security forces.At least two of the suicide bombers — who were wearing Somali military uniforms — forced their way into the airport grounds and ran toward the terminal."Both were brought to a halt within 200 meters (yards) of the terminal building where they exploded their IED (improvised explosive device) vests," the African Union said in a statement.Somali officials condemned the attack on the eve of the Muslim religious festival of Eid, but said they had anticipated a high-profile assault around this time. Eid marks the end of the holy month of Ramadan..." http://terrorfreesomalia.blogspot.com/2010/09/bombers-hit-somali-airport-killing-9.html

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tange 3 years, 7 months ago

People. Always lookin' for clues. Thinkin' they've found some. Needin' their clues to be right. Willin' to throw stones for the right for their clues to be right. Missin' the clues beneath the stones.

( .... and the clues in the that arcing trajectory. )

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gvnobas 3 years, 7 months ago

HAHa.. Jesse Crittenden; fail is right... "TUNAHELPER" fail with his really cool "don't tread on me flag" WOW

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gvnobas 3 years, 7 months ago

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Mike Ford 3 years, 7 months ago

I saw where someone asked for more inclusion of other minorites and faiths in Lawrence in this discussion previously. Well, indigenous people in the Lawrence vicinity are constantly denigrated because one of the places used for the purpose of relgious practice by peoples from all four corners of this land is less important than a road. I find the hypocracy concerning the location of this mosque laughable. In spite of the FEDERAL LAW known as the American Indian Religious Freedom Act of 1978, the Sacred Sites and Traditonal Cultural Properties part of Section 106 of the N.H.P.R, and the American Indian Religious Restoration Act of 1993 and Executive Order #13007 on Sacred Sites, the Fear Wing, Developers, and the pointless apology Dumblicans like Brownback say one thing to appear civil and remorseful while doing what religiously superior and patronizing Christians have always done.... taking what they want asking for forgiveness and doing it all over again. Christianity is not about a preemptive consciousness to avoid wrongdoing... it's abouit doing wrong appearing remorseful and doing wrong again over and over. Said by a Preacher's kid Indian. And before I get the you're off thread bs of previous postings... realize the far reaching implications of the hypocracy going on here avoiding the US History that no one talks about.

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tunahelper 3 years, 7 months ago

why do you leftists always defend the intolerant muslims? what a bunch of two-faced hypocrites!

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bearded_gnome 3 years, 7 months ago

The service, “Interfaith Solidarity in the Wake of 9/11,” will be from 10 a.m. to 10:30 a.m. Saturday on the steps of Plymouth, 925 Vt.

---all they could muster is thirty minutes of solidarity? lol.
plus, your story is in error. there are no "christian leaders" here. christian means to be like christ.
christ said "I am the way, the truth, and the light, no man comes to the Father except by me."
also, Plymouth daily burns Romans chapter 1 and 1 Corinthians 6. they also burn 1 Timothy 3, and many other passages of Scripture.
thus, their intolerance of the actual Word, and we who follow it is the real problem.
further, if if Luckey et al were submitted to the Word, they'd know they are commanded "be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers, for what felowship has light with darkness?"

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toe 3 years, 7 months ago

I am waiting for the winner before I pick my religion. Is Vegas taking odds?

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Laura Wilson 3 years, 7 months ago

Unitarian Universalists draw on all faith traditions and their "books" and are not exclusively Christian, Jewish or Muslim nor do they exclusively use books and teachings from those religions. We regularly use pagan ritual, study the teachings of Buddah, learn from Native American teachings, and discuss and learn from other faiths at our services. The local UU minister is speaking on Saturday and she is neither Christian, Jewish nor Muslim.

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thuja 3 years, 7 months ago

At the death camp of tolerance, intolerance will not be tolerated.

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booyalab 3 years, 7 months ago

I'm curious about what will transpire at the interfaith thingy. Not enough to attend, because I think it would make me gag, but I'm still interested to know what a half an hour of religious tolerance actually entails.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

"The wagon of the wicked shall be fixed."

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none2 3 years, 7 months ago

What I really don't understand is if this is really about religious tolerance, why is this event only mentioning representation from faiths of the "book" (Christian, Jewish, Muslim)? Are they trying to tell us that they couldn't find any Baha'is, Buddhist, Native American world views, Pagans, Hindus in Lawrence?

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Turbin_Cowboy 3 years, 7 months ago

My favorite is:

Quran (6:66) Do unto others before they undo you

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mr_right_wing 3 years, 7 months ago

Qur'an (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah" From the historical context we know that the "persecution" spoken of here was simply the refusal by the Meccans to allow Muhammad to enter their city and perform the Haj. Other Muslims were able to travel there, just not as an armed group, since Muhammad declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah." According to Ibn Ishaq (324), Muhammad justified the violence further by explaining that "Allah must have no rivals."

Qur'an (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Qur'an (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

Qur'an (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam. Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religions Five Pillars.

Qur'an (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Qur'an (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in just the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

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mr_right_wing 3 years, 7 months ago

==merrill warning==!!! ==merrill warning==!!!

Let's take a look at some of what allah's holy qur'an says...

Qur'an (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." There is a good case to be made that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not. However, there are also two worrisome pieces to this verse. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of "persecution" (a qualification that is ambiguous at best). The second is that fighting may persist until "religion is for Allah." The example set by Muhammad is not reassuring.

Qur'an (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Qur'an (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse.

Qur'an (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Qur'an (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Qur'an (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

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overplayedhistory 3 years, 7 months ago

If you are a good person then be a good person. Why Is it so important to connect your morality with your religion? I would not like myself if I knew the only reason I behaved in a moral way is because of a religion. Where Is the nobility in doing the right thing because you don't want to go to h@ll? I am sure those who want to create harmony between the religion are sincere. For all the good intentions, I doubt the net outcome will decrease the amount of inter faith hate. I would argue it only prolongs it. That which you seek can only be achieved when we all let go of the myths designed to calm a scared child, and used to control people by the ruling class.

If we don't abandon these myths we doom our world to a cycle of children arguing over details of that which can not be proved.

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kubacker 3 years, 7 months ago

Every one of the local clerics in the article are social justice/open borders advocates (e.g. socialists), so it's not surprising they are also useful idiots for the most intolerant "religion" in the world.

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Shardwurm 3 years, 7 months ago

If the media would ignore fruitcakes like this then we would have a lot fewer problems. Ignore the Phelps and they would wither away.

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Paul R Getto 3 years, 7 months ago

I bet the Great ESSENE teacher took a piss every now and then too.

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rockchalk1977 3 years, 7 months ago

I wonder if the "local voices" in Lawrence held a gathering back in 1987 when photographer Andres Serrano depicted a small plastic crucifix submerged in a glass of the artist's urine. This piece (of intolerance) was a winner of the Awards in the Visual Arts competition, which is sponsored in part by the National Endowment for the Arts, a United States Government agency that offers support and funding for artistic projects. That's right, your tax dollars hard at work! This so called "art" offended many Christians but I don't remember much condemnation of the wacko artist from any local voices around Lawrence.

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Mark Jakubauskas 3 years, 7 months ago

Simple question: "What would Jesus do ?"

Burn the holy books of another religion ? I think not.

The "Reverend" Terry Jones is no Christian, just an angry, bitter, hateful man desperate for attention.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 7 months ago

"The same goes for the NY mosque b.s. The press blew all this up into a world wide frenzy."

The press merely reported what Obama said, and said unsolicited, then went back less than 24 hours and "corrected/clarified" his statement. That's when the mosque debacle reached fever-pitch.

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Steven Gaudreau 3 years, 7 months ago

You know, this jackass pastor has 50 followers. If the press would have ignored him, it would have been 50 whack jobs burning some books. Nobody would have known, nobody would have cared. The same goes for the NY mosque b.s. The press blew all this up into a world wide frenzy. The press is the one who put our soldiers in danger. Misguided fools do crap like this every day and no one hears about it. The pastors actions started this but the press gave him a world audience.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 7 months ago

As I watched this debacle unfold yesterdy with the pastor and the imam, and this guy said that, and that guy said this, and hopping jets to NYC and statements "neither confirmed nor denied" and "deals" being cut, I could not but help to think of the past 20 months of the Obama/Pelosi/Reid matrix.

"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief." -All along the watchtower

lmao!

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John Kyle 3 years, 7 months ago

I'm sure glad I'm an atheist, because the last two months have only confirmed that christians and muslims are idiots. All of this over a make-believe guy in the sky?

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bd 3 years, 7 months ago

I will be glad when the moral majority takes over this Nov.

Tea anyone??

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overplayedhistory 3 years, 7 months ago

When Dogma is used by the crazies there is no middle ground. so stand up there in union as moderates, continue to give life to unprovable conclusions, and then pretend that your belief has no part in contributing to what the crazies use as reason.

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obamarocks 3 years, 7 months ago

This is why I believe that muslims make better americans then christains do. the far right just proves it time and again.

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Turbin_Cowboy 3 years, 7 months ago

The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and his Toadies are now religous freedom idealogues?

What will they metamorphosize into next.

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jumpin_catfish 3 years, 7 months ago

Nut jobs are taking over the world. It will only get weirder and crazier from here on out. This mickey mouse preacher has empowered every other nut bag and demonstrated how to hold the US government hostage.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

The government of Saudi Arabia burns bibles as a matter of official policy.

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Calliope877 3 years, 7 months ago

“As a people of faith, we stand together against fear,” she said. “We stand united on the side of love.”

I don't consider myself to be a "person of faith" but I still like the above quote.

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dragonwagon2 3 years, 7 months ago

Unfortunately, the flagrant right (I won't call them Christians) are frantic for attention. Let's focus on the good people of the United States who are tolerant, loving and peaceful. I'll be at the service Saturday. Wouldn't it be nice if the service draws enough of a crowd that it gets more attention from the media than the fanatics (heretics)?

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Christine Pennewell Davis 3 years, 7 months ago

I read Phelps and his gang plan to do the same plus burn a flag also, I just don't get it.

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 7 months ago

WE must all remember. Islam was not 9/11/01. That was pulled off by a few extremists most of whom were from Saudi Arabia as was the funding. Why focus on Iraq and Aghanistan?

We must also remember the ball was dropped by the republican party on 9/11/01? What were they doing? Bush,Cheney,Rummy,Rice and the NSA headquarters dropped the ball in a big way.

These culprits had been in the USA for at least two years residing a few blocks away from NSA headquarters and NSA headquarters knew of this. Some in the FBI knew of this. Some in the FBI were asking what's up and why were they not being authorized to move on this situation.

Perhaps 9/11/01 could have been averted had Bush,Cheney,Rummy,Rice and the NSA headquarters NOT dropped the ball in a big way.

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arcanethought 3 years, 7 months ago

I just hope he makes sure to light the Quran with a Bible.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

Where was the outrage when this happened? "LITTLETON, Colo. -- A fire outside a Littleton church is being investigated as a bias-motivated arson that may have stemmed from the church's position on an anti-gay marriage amendment in California. Arapahoe County sheriff's deputies responded to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints about 7:15 p.m. Tuesday, about three hours after a church member found a burning copy of The Book of Mormon on the door step..." http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/17964575/detail.html

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bobberboy 3 years, 7 months ago

make sure to tell the muslims first and foremost.

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