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Minister determined to burn Qurans

September 9, 2010

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— A top general, the secretary of state, the White House and political and religious leaders from around the world have decried a plan by the leader of a small Florida church to burn copies of Islam’s holiest text to mark the 9/11 attacks. The Rev. Terry Jones is not backing down.

Despite the mounting pressure to call off Saturday’s bonfire, Jones said at a Wednesday news conference that he also has received much encouragement, with supporters mailing copies of the Quran to his Dove Outreach Center of about 50 followers. The plan comes as an emotional debate continues over a proposed Islamic center near the ground zero site of the 2001 terrorist attacks in New York.

“As of right now, we are not convinced that backing down is the right thing,” said Jones, 58, who took no questions.

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grammaddy 4 years, 4 months ago

Note to terrorists; Please feel free to make Terry Jones your next target.We'll be glad to bury him under Park 51.Thank you and have a nice day.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

Encouraging terrorism? That's a stretch even for you, gram.

grammaddy 4 years, 4 months ago

I seriously doubt that he owns a Qu'Ran,and I have no problem with him burning his own. It's the calling for a public bonfire of Qu'Rans that I have a problem with.If his actions incite terrorism, I just want to make sure they have the right target in their crosshairs.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

So you are okay with Islamic terrorists killing Americans as long as they kill people you disagree with.

yankeevet 4 years, 4 months ago

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mbulicz 4 years, 4 months ago

Condoning violence only places you on Jones' level.

grammaddy 4 years, 4 months ago

And your hatred for Islam puts you in the same pigeon-hole as Jones.

shaley8160 4 years, 4 months ago

i fail to see the point of doing things that seem solely for the purpose of hurting, frightenining or pissing off ANYONE. as an american christian 50-ish woman with jewish heritage living in the midwest, i'll speak from my heart: please just stop the hatred, it lessens the honor of and inherent worth of everyone on the planet. sadly, i do not understand my species...

TheYetiSpeaks 4 years, 4 months ago

One of the most clearly stated, coherent and sensible thoughts I have read on the subject....Thank you, shaley.

grammaddy 4 years, 4 months ago

I'd like to see the media stop following stories about this guy, Phred Phelps, etc.If the media would stop feeding their addictions to attention, they might disappear. Covering them only causes diversion from the real issues.

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

What happened to that more reasonable version of you?

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

"The looney-left's theories did as much to inflame radical jihadists as anything."

beatrice 4 years, 4 months ago

Tom, you do know that this "Christian" leader is part of the radical right, don't you?

Amy Heeter 4 years, 4 months ago

Burning the Nobel Koran will no more silence the followers of Allah than burning the HolyBible would silence the followers of God, What a ridiculous waste of time. Let him burn the thing and don't send the news out to cover it.

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

He has them.

The question is whether this action is a good idea or not.

madameX 4 years, 4 months ago

More like he's pointing out that this is an action that may have very serious consequences from people we have a hard time predicting and have no control over. How is that condoning terrorism? It's not like he's saying that reaction would be justified, just that it might happen. He's not threatening anyone either, he knows that this guy has a first amendment right to do what he wants provided he doesn't create a fire hazard; Obama's just stating the obvious: this is a bad idea.

What's he supposed to do, not say anything?

madameX 4 years, 4 months ago

I'm pretty sure that frequently when a president (any president, not just Obama) "weighs in" on something it's because they were asked a direct question. What's he supposed to do, say "No comment" so he can be criticized for not having an opinion?

Don Whiteley 4 years, 4 months ago

We freely hammer the Christian right for their wrongs, as this surely is, but when do any of us speak out against Muslim atrocities? Where's this same vitriol against the Muslims in Iran who are going to stone a woman for not wearing a veil? When do we speak out against the murder of all people of the B'hai faith in both Iran and Afghanistan at the hands of Muslims? When do we speak out against the desecration of the Buddhist temple by the Taliban? When do we speak out for the Afghans killed by the Taliban for accepting Western aid? When do we speak out against the murder of hundreds through the many hotel bombings done by Muslims. We don't speak out because we live in fear of the violence Muslims threaten around the world. Instead, we speak out about one little man in Florida, because we feel no fear from him. Are we speaking for truth, or are we just talking out of our fear?

somedude20 4 years, 4 months ago

they say the only bad press is no press and this bugger is high on the hog with all of the attention he has been getting. I have the strong feeling that we will be hearing more from this bugger as he knows it will bring in the money "I was in meditation and prayer last night I was awakened by a shining bright light Over head, a glorious spirit He gave me a message and you all need to hear it "Send me your money", that's what he said He said to "Send me your money" Now if you can only send a dollar or two There aint a hell of alot I can do for you But, if you want to see heaven's door Make a check out for five hundred or more "Send me your money", do you here what I'm saying? "Send me your money"

somedude20 4 years, 4 months ago

"Here comes another con hiding behind a collar His only god is the almighty dollar He aint no prophet, he aint no healer He's just a two bit GD money stealer Send me your money"

Suicidal Tendencies

Richard Payton 4 years, 4 months ago

Jones said he received encouragement. Not my idea of encouragement having half of your church member leave. Receiving over 100 death threats and having to strap on a pistol because of fear. Having the President of the United States asking this to be stopped. Mr. President sorry Jones is a madman doesn't know how to reason.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

In other news to outrage the followers of the religion of unending outrage: "September 07, 2010 Rifqa Bary gets her green card, and Rifqa's attorney and Pamela Geller get sued by CAIR attorney Omar Tarazi We were asked to sit on this good news for the past few weeks, but it is now being picked up by the media - Muslim apostate Rifqa Bary has received her green card. As Jawa readers are aware, since Rifqa's saga began more than a year ago, the two primary goals were to keep her out of her abusive home, and to help her secure permanent resident status to prevent her from being sent back to her native Sri Lanka, where she has already received death threats for converting to Christianity. Her attorneys have now accomplished both. They should be congratulated..."

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/203835.php

Shane Garrett 4 years, 4 months ago

I had to LOL when I read the Capitol Journal, seems Shirly Phelps is all upset that the westboro church got no coverage when they burned a Quran last year while protesting Jews.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

Et tu, copy, paste, ag? BTW, couldn't you find something a little more recent?

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

I (heart) ag when he/she/it gets all harsh and stuff. Have fun storming the castle.

mbulicz 4 years, 4 months ago

All they're doing is giving Al Qaeda stock footage for recruiting.

somedude20 4 years, 4 months ago

How is this different than yelling fire in a theater? If I yelled fire there would be no guarantee that people would be hurt or killed much like this book burning thing but yelling fire is still illegal. I thought free speech was not free if people could be injured or killed in some cases?

Liberty275 4 years, 4 months ago

This is a tempest in a teapot. If he owns the books, he should be able to burn them and pay the fine just like Muslims should be able to build a Mosque on any properly zoned land they want regardless of the proximity to some buildings that had airplanes flown into.

Dear readers, that is an example of not being a hypocrite. Take notes.

How is this different than yelling fire in a theater?

Maybe because yelling "fire" would cause a instinctual panic instead of planned revenge. Do you think we should ban all speech that might cause revenge? That would be a good way of shutting up progressives.

Besides, I think you should be allowed to yell anything anywhere. Sometimes the supreme court gets it wrong.

Fire!

somedude20 4 years, 4 months ago

Some would say that religion is instinctual and as we have seen around the world it does cause panic. If you read what I pasted below, you might see that this, like yelling fire, has crossed the line and has a strong likelihood of causing instant harm to others. What about instinctual revenge as it happens ( I think they call it temporary insanity). "The international police agency Interpol warned governments worldwide on Thursday of an increased risk of terror attacks if the planned burning of the Quran by a Florida pastor goes ahead. There is a strong likelihood that violent attacks on innocent people would follow," Interpol said in a statement, adding that it was acting partly on a request from Pakistan.In the U.S., the State Department on Thursday warned Americans abroad of the "high" potential for violence"

madameX 4 years, 4 months ago

I don't think most people seriously saying that he should be prevented from burning anything, but if the rest of us think it's a horrible idea that will stir up the nutjobs without doing anything constructive then we should be allowed to say so.

whats_going_on 4 years, 4 months ago

yes, I agree he has EVERY right to do so, just like the mosque. However, I think the repercussion could be horrible. We've already seen Al Queda's capabilities...and by doing this, and pretty much mocking them, does anyone REALLY think it will solve anything? The difference between the mosque and this is that they aren't trying to hurt anyone with the mosque...actually they've stated several times its a multicultural center anyway and it's NOT ON GROUND ZERO. (like it would matter anyway if it was).

Ugh.

Liberty275 4 years, 4 months ago

All they're doing is giving Al Qaeda stock footage for recruiting.

And we should shut up because other people don't like what we have to say and will use it to gin up nutcases against us? That's a poor excuse for putting yourself on mute.

mbulicz 4 years, 4 months ago

It's well within their rights. I'm just saying this is all they will accomplish.

mbulicz 4 years, 4 months ago

Also, this isn't to 'gin up against nutcases against us'. If we were burning Al Qaeda training materials, you would be correct.

This is like burning bibles to demonstrate against Timothy McVeigh.

slowplay 4 years, 4 months ago

If I'm not mistaken, I believe he was denied a burning permit and that fire trucks will be on hand to extinguish any flames.

beatrice 4 years, 4 months ago

Wrong. The burning of the Quran is intended as an insult to a religion, while the community center with the prayer space inside that isn't at Ground Zero is meant as a place of worship. Do you really believe people shouldn't pray near Ground Zero?

Great story in the NY Times today about a Muslim woman who lost her husband on 9/11. Just goes to show that the Towers weren't attacked by a religion, but by fanatics. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10muslim.html?_r=1&hp

gr 4 years, 4 months ago

Has anyone considered the muslims may have instigated this, or at least may not object to this, as a test case to see what the US would do? And if we bow, then they will start making ever increasing demands? They have won the war several years ago because we let them. Even grandmothers could not take their knitting needles with them. The terrorists are laughing at how easy it changed from give me liberty or give me death to take away my liberties, just give me life.

If he wants to burn books that he owns or are given, what's wrong with it? Cowardly cow towing to a bunch of terrorists is just pushing things forward. The homosexuals started it with their hate speech. Who is to say he is encouraging terrorism? Who is to say it's "offensive"? This is going to set a precedence. Anything will be offensive to everyone. I find the media encouraging terrorism. Maybe THEY should be censored. This is nothing more than a Phelps-like ploy and the media gives it attention rather than leaving it as some crazed individual being silly. So it gives great advertising. If the government steps in and prevents them against their will, I would feel inspired to do a whole lot more disgusting things to their Quran. Most likely, there will be copy cats. If they let him be, why bother, it's a pointless act. Just like flag burning. Anyone should have a right to burn it. Doesn't bother me. Might say something about the pitiful individual doing it, but that's what the flag stands for - freedom. Tell me I can't, and I'm ready to burn it for it stands for nothing then.

Revelation talks about a power controlling people. Since it enforces worship, it is a religious power. Since this is about religion, and if the government is going to start forcing people to worship a certain way, to not be offensive to what it decides is a religion reason, do you think this could be the start of the New World Order?

beatrice 4 years, 4 months ago

The homosexuals? Revelations? New World Order?

Somebody get the big net. Another loon is loose.

mbulicz 4 years, 4 months ago

I think your tin foil hat may be on a little tight.

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

Interesting - he says he feels he's achieved his objective.

Wonder what it was.

beatrice 4 years, 4 months ago

Evil?

Good god. You hate Muslims. We get it. Now that the church in Florida has "caved," where are you going to worship?

beatrice 4 years, 4 months ago

Right. Kind and friendly people always call others "evil." Sure they do.

I'm always amazed at how hateful some conservatives are.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 4 months ago

Islam was not responsible for 9/11/01.

A few extremists were and most were from Saudi Arabia? Why all the focus on Iraq and Afghanistan.

Oh yeah..... Bush,Cheney,Rummy and NSA dropped the ball thus 9/11/01. These extremists were living but a few blocks away from NSA headquarters for two years. The NSA knew of this.

Where was the surveillance?

Don Whiteley 4 years, 4 months ago

19 extremists were responsible for nearly 3000 dead on 9/11, a few extremists have bombed several of our embassies, a few extremists have blown up hotels around the world, a few extremists defaced Buddhist shrines in Afghanistan; but thousands of extremists committed genocide against the members of the B'Hai faith in Iran, thousands have killed innocent, starving people in Afghanistan and Pakistan for accepting food that had come from Western sources. Now, an Extremist regime is getting ready to stone a woman for not wearing a veil. What do they have in common? They're all Muslim. And in all the years since 9/11, the Islamic religion has made no apology and have made no attempts to reign in their extremist groups, and in many parts of the Islamic world, including the United States, these extremists are considered heroes and martyrs.

Also, Mr. Merrill, being the type of person who accepts responsibility, as you seem to be, the next time I want you to be the one who sorts out 11 million pieces of terrorist intelligence arriving each day and put your finger on the one or two pieces which identifies a real terrorist event about to occur. And by the way, make a mistake, and we're going to bring your sorry back side up on charges of harassment, discrimination, or murder quicker than than you can say Quran.

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mbulicz 4 years, 4 months ago

"I want you to be the one who sorts out 11 million pieces of terrorist intelligence arriving each day and put your finger on the one or two pieces which identifies a real terrorist event about to occur."

Nah, it would have just been easier to have acknowledged the one presidential briefing on August 6, 2001, entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US."

But then again, who could have predicted THAT from the report when it was full of vague statements like: "Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York."

www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb080601.pdf

Amy Heeter 4 years, 4 months ago

Whatever! The minister is apperently going to the site Saturday because he thinks he has ceased the construction. I say if he starts burning Korans just light up a few Holy Bibles and really get a damned revolution going. I sure wouldn't mourn if someone too a pop shot at this minister.

Don Whiteley 4 years, 4 months ago

Around the globe, from America to the Philippines, Muslims have threatened violence everywhere if this guy goes through with it. So we're supporting the guys who want to kill things over a guy who just wants to demonstrate his adolescent hatred by burning a few books. One thing you can say about Muslims is that they fight for what they believe. Americans are more like Seagulls, we'd all rather just ruffle up our feathers, squawk a lot, then fly off and defecate on someone.

beatrice 4 years, 4 months ago

If only we could show the history of right_thinker.

Glass houses, tom, glass houses.

grammaddy 4 years, 4 months ago

Even funnier when he threw a fit about one of his posts being pulled and disappeareded himself for a whole 3 days! Now he has it in his head that the 300-400 comments on that thread prove that we need him or missed him.NOT!!

whats_going_on 4 years, 4 months ago

this makes me sick.

And honestly, a little nervous. Out of all the things people are frightened over nowadays, which usually don't phase me, I find this extremely disturbing. Mainly because it really could endanger the lives of people in uniform and possibly people here in the states. : Im thankful that people of all political sides are coming out against this act, for whatever their personal reasons.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 4 months ago

This man has just as much right to burn Korans (barring fire hazard regulations) as muslims have a right to build a house of muhammad near 'ground zero'.

Personally, I disagree with both.

Don't burn the koran (but you have a right to) & put the 'muhammad hut' somewhere else (it's your right to put it there though.)

Both are examples of being insensitive.

tbaker 4 years, 4 months ago

I work in Kabul. I'm staying off the road for the next few days, as is everyone else who doesn't have to go out. This idiot is endangering lives with this Koran-burning stunt. Whether or not this "should" upset people is not the point. The fact is - it does, and the fact that it does is very likely going to result in someone's son or daughter being killed.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

"Pakistani President Begs Cleric Not to Burn US Flag for Fear of Retaliatory Terrorism Against Muslims by Angry Americans" http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/203869.php

TopJayhawk 4 years, 4 months ago

Obamarocks wants to ignore the Constitiution.
Gramaddy is okay with terrorism against Americans that she does not agree with.
No surprise there. Just surprised they are willing to admit it.

grammaddy 4 years, 4 months ago

Not at all what I said. If you're going to fan the flames of terrorism, you deserve what ever a$$-whipping you get.Now that Phred Phelps has picked up the torch, he can have some of the same.

Amy Heeter 4 years, 4 months ago

So last night he says he won't be burning koransmbecause he has enlightened America as to how dangerous Muslims are. Yeah he because he says muslims have threatened him.

whats_going_on 4 years, 4 months ago

the only thing America was enlightened about was how dangerous and stupid Americans are.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

Right on, look at how many Americans have died in riots because somebody drew an unflattering cartoon of Jesus.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 4 months ago

What if someone was to get on the site of this future mosque and pour barrels of pigs blood all over the ground.

Could a mosque be built upon that??

mr_right_wing 4 years, 4 months ago

I don't think you consider someone a 'hypocrite' for simply asking a question. That's all it was; not even a suggestion. I figured at this point it was just some big empty lot that they hadn't had a ground breaking on just yet.

Since I would be completely opposed to anyone taking this kind of action; just as I'm opposed to the building of this mosque, as well as the koran burning; in this instance I am not a hypocrite.

You however are guilty of jumping to wrong conclusions and making a huge assumption. (When you point a finger, there are three pointing right back at you.)

mr_right_wing 4 years, 4 months ago

I was tempted at the end of my note to say: "Don't feel bad, you're just being a typical lib." but I restrained myself...until now.

;o)

whats_going_on 4 years, 4 months ago

Trying to fight religious intolerance with religious intolerance is CLEARLY the most sophisticated and intelligent way to go. Come on America, effing stop falling into the stereotypes (the correct stereotypes, I might add) that the whole world has set on us and grow up. This makes me embarrassed to be an American, if I wasn't already.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

We'll all come down to the bus station to wave goodbye when you move to Cuba.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 4 months ago

I never have and I doubt I ever will actually be 'embarrassed' to be an American! That is one thing I am truly proud of....

  • despite the abomination of abortion that we embrace.
  • despite Carter, Clinton and now Obama.
  • despite our habitual idolization of anyone who can be remotely considered a "star"
  • despite a growing national disdain for all things Christian.

There is no other country I would rather live in. Despite all of that, we are still the greatest nation on this earth!

There are still Christians out here praying for this great country so that we remain "one nation under God" and "In God We Trust"!

God Bless America!! land that I love (hum it with me people!)

mr_right_wing 4 years, 4 months ago

b/t/w.... I would lay down my life for this great country. (I'm sure in some eyes that makes me a real idiot-so be it.)

Those of you who are 'embarrassed' weenies get out already.

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

Have you guys signed up for the holy war with Islam yet?

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

I serve my country every day.

Didn't answer the question, though, did you?

jonas_opines 4 years, 4 months ago

The sad part of this story is that a buffoon with a tiny church somehow gets his 15 minutes of fame out of this BS.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 4 months ago

That's one thing the followers of the religion of unending outrage are really good at, killing each other.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 4 months ago

If this guy was going through with this; burning 200 korans (which he has every right to do.), there's a group out there that is ready to print 200,000 korans (which they have every right to do.)

I am a little surprised that no Islamic terrorist organization has put a price on Mr. Jones head. (Maybe that's why he's not doing it after all.)

50YearResident 4 years, 4 months ago

He says he got over 300 death threats from the religion of peace and tolerance.....

ivalueamerica 4 years, 4 months ago

"It's a small but vocal group of Americans in this country pushing this anti-Muslim rhetoric," Ali said. "And unfortunately in our society, whomever shouts the loudest is going to get the most air time."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/09/10/ramadan.roadtrip.folo/index.html?hpt=C2

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