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North Dakota State stuns Jayhawks, 6-3

Jayhawks stunned in Gill’s debut

Head coach Turner Gill purses his lips as he makes his way from the field alongside tight end Bradley Dedeaux (87) and defensive coordinator Carl Torbush following the Jayhawks' 6-3 loss to North Dakota State, Saturday, Sept. 4, 2010 at Kivisto Field.

Head coach Turner Gill purses his lips as he makes his way from the field alongside tight end Bradley Dedeaux (87) and defensive coordinator Carl Torbush following the Jayhawks' 6-3 loss to North Dakota State, Saturday, Sept. 4, 2010 at Kivisto Field.

September 4, 2010, 9:29 p.m. Updated September 4, 2010, 11:39 p.m.


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Highlights: KU vs. NDSU

Highlights from the low-scoring game that was KU's 2010 season opener. North Dakota State won the contest 6-3. Enlarge video

Turner Gill postgame: NDSU

Turner Gill addresses the media following the Jayhawks' loss to North Dakota State on Saturday, September 4, 2010. Enlarge video

KU coach Turner Gill talks after the Jayhawks' 6-3 loss

Kansas coach Turner Gill talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 6-3 loss to North Dakota State on Sept. 4, 2010.

KU quarterback Jordan Webb says he could feel NDSU's momentum building throughout the game

KU quarterback Jordan Webb says he could feel NDSU's momentum building in the Bison's 6-3 victory over the Jayhawks on Sept. 4, 2010.

KU vs. North Dakota State

Live updates from the Newell Post Live, coming to you from Memorial Stadium where the Kansas Jayhawks are taking on the North Dakota State Bison.

In March, University of Northern Iowa shocked Kansas University’s basketball team with an upset in the second round of the NCAA Tournament.

Saturday at Memorial Stadium, a similarly scrappy North Dakota State University football team handed KU another crippling loss. Hard to believe that a three-pointer — a 32-yard field goal from NDSU kicker Ryan Jastram with 8:04 to play in the third quarter — from a Missouri Valley upstart did the Jayhawks in again.

The only question left to answer now is this: We know the KU basketball team will be back, but will Turner Gill’s football Jayhawks be able to rebound from the 6-3 heartbreaker?

“It’s one game,” a dejected Gill said. “One game. That’s how you have to take it, and (you) move on from there.”

In front of 48,000 football-hungry fans, the Jayhawks laid an egg in just about every sense of the word and, in doing so, dropped their eighth straight game, a streak that dates back to the sixth game of the 2009 season.

They turned the ball over three times on offense, missed two field goals and had a punt blocked on special teams and struggled to create holes for their running game and time for the passing game in the trenches all night.

Perhaps the most clear-cut indication that this was not KU’s night came from the fact that the leading rusher was wide receiver Daymond Patterson, who gained 63 yards on three carries. Patterson also caught four balls for 66 yards.

The junior from Mesquite, Texas, was far from happy with his performance in his return to offense, however.

“There’s no regret or embarrassment,” Patterson said. “If anything was embarrassing, it wasn’t the loss, it was the way we played.”

The Jayhawks took a 3-0 lead on a 25-yard field goal by Jacob Branstetter late in the first quarter. On the third-down play that came before the kick, starting QB Kale Pick nearly connected with senior running back Angus Quigley on a pass in the flat that almost certainly would’ve been a touchdown. Instead, the pass was tipped, the Jayhawks settled for the field goal, and the offense never got back on track.

On one drive, Pick and the KU passing game appeared to click. A seven-yard strike to Johnathan Wilson followed by a pair of completions to Patterson put KU in the red zone. Two plays later, Pick threw an interception when trying to thread the ball into Bradley McDougald in the end zone.

“I didn’t see that guy. He was in line with my guard,” Pick said. “We just had a rough start, never really could get our chemistry going through the whole offense. As a unit, we just didn’t click.”

Pick, a third-year sophomore who finished 13-for-22 for 138 yards in his debut as a starter, was yanked in favor of red-shirt freshman Jordan Webb in the fourth quarter. Though Webb’s appearance inspired the crowd and momentarily gave the KU offense a lift, he fared no better than Pick, finishing 6-for-11 for 59 yards. What’s more, he and Pick now may find themselves navigating their way through a quarterback controversy in the coming weeks.

“It’s definitely not a good start,” Pick said. “Yeah, I’m not very happy now.”

Added Webb, who was asked if he knew where he stood on the depth chart: “I can’t say that I do. That’s the coach’s decision. Whoever we go with, we’re going to run with it, and we’re going to keep getting better.”

Even the Jayhawks’ good moments were riddled with frustration. Junior cornerback Isiah Barfield’s interception in the end zone in the second quarter kept NDSU off the board at the time. However, instead of falling down for the touchback, a jacked-up Barfield ran out of the end zone and was tackled at the one.

KU’s defense limited NDSU to 168 yards of total offense and came up with some crucial stops late when KU was out of timeouts and desperately needed to regain possession.

“I thought they played outstanding,” Gill said of the defense. “I think holding a team to under 200 yards of total offense … you’d take that any day.”

The loss was KU’s second all-time to an FCS (formerly Div. I-AA) opponent. The only other came in September of 1987, when KU fell, 16-11, to Louisiana Tech, which remained I-AA until 1988.

“There’s going to be a lot of people doubting us after today,” Webb said. “But we’re Kansas. People doubt us every day.”

That thought, more than any other perhaps best sums up the fact that the last three seasons of Kansas football truly were unbelievable.

Now all that’s left to see is if this season will be unbelievable, as well, even if for different reasons.

KU (0-1) will play host to No. 16 Georgia Tech (1-0) at 11 a.m. Saturday. Tech rolled over South Carolina State, 41-10, Saturday at Tech.

View a complete game recap.


tunahelper 7 years, 7 months ago

The Wildcats beat UCLA and the jayducks can't even beat North Dakota State Bison. The chickenhawks must be scared of all bison and buffalo! LOL ! ! !

Mandie Eutsler 7 years, 7 months ago

that's pretty much the most horrible attempt at an insult i've ever seen.

phoggyjay 7 years, 7 months ago

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puddleglum 7 years, 7 months ago

yeah ol' buddy, I'm gonna have to agree with you on this one.

at least we aren't K-state

TheYetiSpeaks 7 years, 7 months ago

I think the inferiority complex that oozes off K-State fans is hilarious. They have a great start to their season and its still all about KU.
K-State: Classy coach....White trash fans.

tunahelper 7 years, 7 months ago

you must be a liberal. liberal love to do name calling. however, the facts are: Bucknell, Bradley, Northern Iowa, and now North Dakota State!!! what kind of cheese would you like with your whine? LOL!!!

rgh 7 years, 7 months ago

First let's discuss all those wonderful years of great football you had in the 70's and 80's and how many national basketball titles you won with Tex Winter, Jack Hartman, and Bobby "Chuggins my name" Huggins. I'll take our upsets right along with our national titles and 2007 Orange Bowl win. You owe us for beating you Ron Prince's first two years so you could literally beg Snyder to come back. You're very welcome. Enjoy your season, it's on us.

CLARKKENT 7 years, 7 months ago


Tim Quest 7 years, 7 months ago

Clearly, we're dealing with a KSU English major here.

Tim Quest 7 years, 7 months ago

Clearly, we're dealing with a KSU English major here.

CLARKKENT 7 years, 7 months ago


like_n_Lawrence 7 years, 7 months ago

eighty-six, 86. sorry but he needs to settle down. he is a good size and all, but maybe it was just the first game jitters. after the last one that WAS caught....then boop, outta the hands. I'm like, REALLY??

annski 7 years, 7 months ago

Face it, you lost to a freakin' hockey school.

Graczyk 7 years, 7 months ago

annski is an Anonymous user since Sept. 4, 2010.

Troll much?

annski 7 years, 7 months ago

It's not like it's Northern Iowa or anything. Oooops.....

Graczyk 7 years, 7 months ago

Oh. You hurt me. Like a dagger in the heart.

Do you sense the sarcasm, troll?

annski 7 years, 7 months ago

Me likee some schadenfreude. So it goes.

ndmoderate 7 years, 7 months ago

NDSU is not a hockey school...don't even have a team. UND is the hockey school. Not that it matters to you.

gks 7 years, 7 months ago

FAIL! UND is the hockey power house,not NDSU.


tojo70 7 years, 7 months ago

NDSU is NOT a hockey school. You are thinking of the University of North Dakota....Please don't insult NDSU by confusing us with UND

lithium45 7 years, 7 months ago

I am a jayhawk fan, but this was tough to watch. If we can beat North Dakota State this is going to be a very long season. Does KU have to play a high school team to win their opener? We are not going to live this one down for a long time.

Don Whiteley 7 years, 7 months ago

This is laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. Not that KU's football team needed any lessons from the basketball team in how to lose to losers, they've done quite well enough on their own, but this one tops the heap of pathetic performances. How do you spell 80 point spread against Georgia Tech and Nebraska? Why don't these guys go play where they belong, like in Baldwin or Eudora?

loosecaboose 7 years, 7 months ago

Hey, our Bulldogs are looking good! Bring on the Jayducks!

BobbyV17 7 years, 7 months ago

Eudora last year was a pretty darn good. I'm sure we could have killed KU in that showing yesterday. And loosecaboose remember how bad Eudora killed baldwin last year? Our coaches took us (the starters) out in the middle of the second quarter. But thats not the point... I don't blame the players of KU, I blame Lou Perkins, and Turner Gill. Mangino was a way better coach. It's football, you have to cuss, and chew the players out. They won't respect you if you don't. We have no chance with Gill. I am embarrassed that we got rid of such a good coach as Mark Mangino!

okiedave 7 years, 7 months ago

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parrothead8 7 years, 7 months ago

Appalachian State had just come off two national titles, so it's not like Michigan was playing North Dakota State. The scary thing is how completely flat and ineffective the offense was against a I-AA opponent. How will they look against Missouri, K-State...or Nebraska?

MUKUOUFan 7 years, 7 months ago

Look, he had a 20-30 losing record at Buffalo, what do you expect? It's like the Chiefs when they hired Herm Edwards, when you hire in a losing coach, don't be surprised if you get a losing season. At least Missouri and Oklahoma pulled through today!

H_Lecter 7 years, 7 months ago

The good news is the scoreboard looked terrific. The bad news is: 3/4 of it is wasted for non-game related display. Game stats and score updates are squeezed into one quarter of the scoreboard. The stats need to be displayed at a reasonable size in the larger portion. We don't need to see advertisements on the large screen or kids, babies, and crowd cuties. Give the game of football priority.g

130 dB is too loud to hear "Damn it feels good to be a gangsta" on the 45 yard line. If I was filleting the person in front of me, you'd never hear them screaming because of the scoreboard volume.

kansasmutt 7 years, 7 months ago

Looks like after the curuptness was exposed and removed from the KU sports dept, they are not so tough anymore. K State is the real team for Kansas. GO KATS !!!!!!!!!!!

puddleglum 7 years, 7 months ago

be purple, if ya wanna look like a goofball! say hi to barney for me

CLARKKENT 7 years, 7 months ago


Mandie Eutsler 7 years, 7 months ago

good god, isn't there a paper in Manhattan you can go troll. The only BCS bowl your team ever went to you got your ass kicked. Enjoy your mediocre success this season...

Rickyonealku 7 years, 7 months ago

The blocked punt I could see coming last spring...why....three step punter...but getting beat by North Dakota State??? um...this is football and while KANSAS love to attach basketball to any sports article...IS IT BASKETBALL SEASON YET????


EGG and 12 in 2010.....


jhawkjjm 7 years, 7 months ago

Boy I'm glad we moved our best running back to linebacker. There's a reason Quigly hasn't played in 5 years as a running back. They needed a big physical running back and that's exactly what Opurum is.

rtwngr 7 years, 7 months ago

I don't know who that team was over the last 6 years but these are the Jayhawks I remember. Welcome back to the cellar, boys!

KSAuburnFan 7 years, 7 months ago

Ahh, you just have to love "fans", one upset loss and all of a sudden the team is going to go 0-12 and Coach Gill is nothing but a loser. Same guy that won a league championship just 2 years ago, same guy that has built an amazing staff, same guy that (if you believe in recruiting websites) have a nice collection of 2 and 3 star kids coming in for next year. But, since they get upset on a single Saturday night now it is a bad hire and the team will go 0-12. I am sure you have all forgotten that when he took over KU had just lost 4 of the top offensive performers to ever wear a KU uniform. They lost one of the best defensive players to ever play at KU, and he was starting a Sophomore QB. But none of that matters, because no one on this message board has ever had a bad day at work, no one has ever struggled at something they shouldn't have. I guess since the KU Basketball team was upset in thier last game, they will go 0-35 this year. Give me a break.

Armen Kurdian 7 years, 7 months ago

Losing a game doesn't mean you go 0-12. But losing in the first game w/a new coach to an FCS school on your home turf by 6-3 isn't a recipe for success. K-State fans are all over this, and I personally...for not going to argue w/them. And I bleed crimson & blue.

defensehawk 7 years, 7 months ago

I was given a ticket to go to the game last night and still felt like I was cheated. Much like Herm Edwards, Coach Gill definitely knows how to suck the life out of the crowd. I was so ready for KU football and still am because last night's game was not football. I began to wonder if they had actually practiced anything that related to the game of football except maybe some defense. I was really proud when the defensive captain, an interior lineman, didn't go out on the field when NDSU lined up for a punt. Wasted time out, clock management was horrible, and the quarterback needs to get the ball out of his hands quicker. I know this was the first game for alot of these players but seriously it was painful to watch. There are a couple good things to say about last night's game, 1. it's over and 2. it can't get much worse. That said, I will still support the team and hopefully Coach Gill will pull a couple more plays out of the book to use during games.

jhawki 7 years, 7 months ago

I would like to say after evaluating the game, offensive line is unbelievable. I am talking no blocking execution whatsoever. Theyput their hands on you and release or screen like basketball. Hard to believe these guys are returners, they were horrible, terrible. Even though Pick is not very good at qb, he needed time to see the field. He had not time with rush by slow white guys, and no holes for Quigley. Sorry he had to be back for 6 yr to run behind these overweight blocking dummies.

average 7 years, 7 months ago

I have to wish Mr Gill the best for the rest of the season. Because if he is fired/quits before this time next year, Lew will be involved in hiring his replacement.

jimtunes2000 7 years, 7 months ago

Some related points: I'm an SDSU Jackrabbit fan (however, I'm a loyal KU basketball fan). SDSU plays in the Mo Valley Football Conf with NDSU (SDSU is picked to finish #2 in the MVFC while NDSU is picked to finish #6. SDSU has owned NDSU in football the past several years. NDSU's defense was one of the worst in FCS last season. It looked pretty good last night--and you have to give some of the credit to NDSU and not just rip on KU. The new scoreboard in KU's stadium is a Dakotronics board -- made in Brookings, SD, home of SDSU.
The next Big 12, MVFC matchup is SDSU at Nebraska on Sept 25.

Flap Doodle 7 years, 7 months ago

One field goal? One lousy rotten field goal is all that pack of prima donnas could deliver? How long until basketball season?

rgh 7 years, 7 months ago

The disappointing part was moving ball and not getting into the end zone. Two fumbles and a pick in the end zone don't bode well for the offense. 3 points in the first quarter isn't going to cut it in the Big XII this year but it's early. It's not Mangino left a cabinet full of great athletes and incoming recruits. We basically are starting from scratch even with returners. Too bad we'll never see a full stadium this year again though.

ihatelv 7 years, 7 months ago

You know what's better than seeing your team win? Seeing KU lose! I was giddy last night...... :)

puddleglum 7 years, 7 months ago

watching Ku lose football games gets you giddy? Should be pretty used to that, unless you missed the last 100 years. man, you need to pick up some hobbies like checkers, or take up smoking.

elkwc36 7 years, 7 months ago

I hope KU can rebound and win a few games. Not only is it good for KU but also the state and the Big 12. I had questions from the start when Big Lew hired Gill and he hired Long. Gill had a losing record. I have a BIL and a close friend who are very strong OU supporters. Both told me after Mangino left and Long was in charge everyone figured out he wasn't a offensive coordinator and that he was encouraged to take another job. He failed as a head coach also. And then him and Gill move what appeared to be by far the best running back to linebacker. Hopefully Gill is smart enough to swallow his pride and admit a mistake and learn from them. I hope the appearance yesterday of Gill being in over his head as a head coach at the D-1 level was only a mirage. Best of luck the rest of the season. Big 12 fan

yankeevet 7 years, 7 months ago

No quarterbacks that can throw; No receivers who can catch; and No kickers who can kick; but other then that a great team..........

Justin Ahrens 7 years, 7 months ago

I try to look at the bright side. Right now were on track to a new head coach to replace the one that couldn't win in the mid american conference and can't beat a I-aa school with a power conference bcs team. Face it our good buddy ...i mean crook lew hired a unproven, under qualified man to do a job. I won't go in to details on why he was hired but I will say that this man was not hired in the best interest of KU football and building a winning program. Anyone suprised about yesterdays performance shouldn't be, when you hire a losser you get a ...well you can finish it.

p.s. I'm glad this guy gets paid 2.5 million a year to make KU football the joke of the BIG 12

Kyle Reed 7 years, 7 months ago

There is never a great day to be a wildcat.

Austin Bergstrom 7 years, 7 months ago

Does anyone else think Mangino is enjoying a nice creamed filled donut and sporting a huge smile on his face this morning as he reads the sports page?

Jimo 7 years, 7 months ago

Agreed. Used to be that players that screwed up were yelled at ... even cursed! What bad form! Just not cricket.

Now, if you can't make plays, Coach understands. Don't sweat it. It's not whether you win or lose but how you go through the motions of playing a game.

Let's see: Mangino - with his Orange Bowl trophy - lost what, six games?, before he was unceremoniously sacked. How surprised Gill will be when he's fired (probably by press release) 2 weeks from now.

petty5069 7 years, 7 months ago

OMG, that was the most awful game to watch! Did I read somewhere that Pick hadn't started a game as QB since the first game of his high school senior year? then didn't play the rest of that year because of injury? and now he's ready to lead KU ? I know the players feel bad about how horrible they played. I'm very concerned about the coaching as well.

more_cowbell 7 years, 7 months ago

C'mon guys, cheer up. In three weeks New Mexico State comes to town and the Jayhawks get another chance to put away a cupcake. ;-)

Seriously, though, Southern Miss, Baylor, and Iowa State are all winnable games (theoretically). If Gill's worth his sal(ary)t, he'll light a fire under the offense (defense did well enough) and the Jayhawks can get back to respectability, if not a bowl game.

I'm predicting 4-8. It is going to be a rebuilding year, it's a program in transition. Don't forget, Mangino's first year in 2002 was pretty bad as well (2-10, if I recall correctly?).

mlinkjinoz 7 years, 7 months ago

Mangino was 2-10 in his first year but he followed Terry Allen. Low expectations back then when the program was handed over to Mangino.

average 7 years, 7 months ago

Adjusting for inflation, Mangino in 2001 made about one-quarter of what Gill is making his first year.

We could have gotten a very nice, Christian, wins-on-occasion, "gee, stuff happens" coach for a whole lot less than the $2.5m range.

olddognewtrix 7 years, 7 months ago

As a KSU grad and fan,yesterday was great! As a KU grad and fan yesterday was disappointing! Mangino left the cupboard more bare thanmost of us thought. Recruiting will be Gill's continuing challenge.

brucealmighty 7 years, 7 months ago

Hello Lawrence Kansas, Greetings from Fargo, ND. Home of the NDSU Bison. Sorry about you loss yesterday, however, there are more games ahead. We beat the MN Gophers a couple of years ago and now they wont play us anymore, Sore losers, I guess. I hope it will be different with the Jayhawks. I hope your team will venture up to Fargo and play in our Fargo Dome some year. Maybe the score will be different, who knows. However, remember it is just a game and win or loose, be a good sport. The Bison have lost many heart breakers also, however, we just move on and prepare for the next game. Good luck in you future games. I must add, you have a beautiful football stadium. Sincerely, A Bison fan in Fargo.

Larry McGlinn 7 years, 7 months ago

It's pretty obvious that Perkins fired an Oliver Hardy and hired a Stan Laurel. Nice guys do not win football games !!!!!! I believe it was Lou Holt that said "show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser!!!"

mlinkjinoz 7 years, 7 months ago

At the end of last season I gave up my season tickets. I bought in to all the marketing by Lew and Gill and purchased season tickets (4 total). Does anyone want to buy my 4 tickets? I am not going to another game this year. The players were not fired up, not passionate, flat, and the high paid coaching staff was absolutely horrible. I did not see Gill talk to a player, coach, etc. during the game to get them fired up. Perkins, what have you done? This will be your legacy ... I promise. Welcome back to the Terry Allen era! This is exactly what this game reminded me of and soon we will see about 13,000 people in the stands.

scatfu 7 years, 7 months ago

UK fans should be disturbed by Gill's demeanor after that embarassing loss. "It was just one game." isnt what you want to hear from your head coach after an embarassing loss like that. He is the opposite of the fatman in every way. This is what you call an over-correction. KU made the same mistake our country made when it elected an inexperienced community organizer after the Bush years (and no, Im not a right winger, I'm an idependent so spare me your progressive idiocy).

Gill is an epic failure in the making, the sooner you realize that the sooner you can get back to a serviceable football program. Now is not the time to go back to Terry Allen days given the "what have you done for me lately" landscape of college athletics. Time is of the essence, squawks, better act quickly.

4everahawk 7 years, 7 months ago

A friend of mine was at the game last night and said all the same negative things that have already been posted. He couldn't believe the lack of enthusiasm, motivation and drive that was displayed by both the players and coaches. I watched the game on TV and wasn't impressed with the way Gill just walked around like he was a celebrity, not a know, like the top administrators in KAI who bask in their 'fame' just for having the skill of bilking KU out of a LOT of money! There was no interaction with the team..........none. Embarrassing, pitiful game. Love the jayhawks, but something major will have to change prior to the next game or we are in for a long, dreadful season.

nobody1793 7 years, 7 months ago

I'm not sure where all this "back to the Terry Allen days" stuff is coming from. Mangino had 3 winning seasons in 8 years. Mangino was 23-41 in conference games. As much fun as it was, the Orange Bowl season was an anomaly, all the stars aligned just right. Sorry kids...we never really left the "Terry Allen days".

Kent Fisher 7 years, 7 months ago

Precisely, however, the Mangino era did revitalize our fan base. Hence, that is why we have so many frustrated fans of this board after this loss. Things were improving with the program and the expectations were high. It appears as though we may stall out this season.

ILikeToWatchTV 7 years, 7 months ago

The LJWorld says "the Jayhawks laid an egg in just about every sense of the word." For real? Were the players squatting on the sidelines and laying eggs? Could they eat the eggs? Did they make omelettes at halftime? Or, alternatively, do LJWorld writers avoid thinking about what words mean?

Thats_messed_up 7 years, 7 months ago

They're Chickenhawks aren't they? Some people are so dumb.

Oldguy2 7 years, 7 months ago

All of you KU losers need to know is that Gill did win at Buffalo, he won the MAC in 2008, and at Buffalo. Do any of you losers know how bad Buffalo has been forever? Think Temple here, think Duke, think Kansas before Mason.

You JayHawk fans are all losers, I hope you enjoy your misery and I hope you remember this post after Gill takes you to the B12 championship game in three years.

swaghook 7 years, 7 months ago

It was a good defensive game. NDSU just happened to come out on top. They are 4 and 3 against FBS schools and could have easily been 6 and 1 they only lost to Gophers by a point or so and owned the stats the first time and beat them the second time, Wyoming was on the ropes till the 2nd half when the altitude got to the Bison players and they got gassed because they opted for no oxygen on the side lines. No reason to hang your head about losing to the Bison by 3 when the Bison shellacked Central Michigan by a hell of a lot more then 3 points. I expect KU will have a better season then the band wagon fans are now predicting.

rhd99 7 years, 7 months ago

I know that there are better days ahead for Gill. I'm just wondering, as a Jayhawk fan, if the guys on the field last night were thinking past this game. Bad decisions were made, on both sides of the ball. We had a chance in the 4th qtr to get it done and we didn't. I'm going to give Turner Gill a chance, but this game was a hard pill to swallow.

jayhawklawrence 7 years, 7 months ago

I think we are making too much of one game, but I guess I am also one of those guys who was surprised that Opurum was not the lead back this year.

Last year, the guy was starting to remind me of John Riggins who is one of my all time favorites. I also recall that the Redskins mixed it up with a little guy named Washington.

We threw too many balls to the tight end though. He had a rough time. We ran Sands too much. We tried to thread the needle too many times on passes. We dumped off to the back too many times because we got scared to throw it. It got too predictable. There are a lot of things to work on this week but I thought Pick was not too bad and deserves another shot.

guess_again 7 years, 7 months ago

Do you think Lew earned his $400,000 bonus yesterday? Or how about that $4 million per year?

like_n_Lawrence 7 years, 7 months ago

First of all, K-State fans stay out of our message boards. Secondly, NDSU is not a horrible team. Thirdly, It's one game and now they can see what is wrong and what is right with the team. Fourthly, Coach Gill isn't the one who fumbled and dropped passes...every time he touched the ball. Fifthly, Gill is a better person than Mangino ever was. Sixthly, K-State fans are just gross and nasty. Seventhly, Jayhawks are the windshield and K-State are the bugs. Eighthly,.....I'm tired....we'll be OK. It's football. It's fun. Enjoy the afternoons at Memorial Stadium.

CLARKKENT 7 years, 7 months ago


Richard Heckler 7 years, 7 months ago

K State does have the very beautiful Flint Hills.

Steve Jacob 7 years, 7 months ago

Where to begin? 1) How much easier of a game do you want, Haskell? NDSU is not a very good D2 school. 2) Did you see who Snyder beat yesterday.

swaghook 7 years, 7 months ago

NDSU is a DI school. Football at the DI level has 2 divisions FBS(bowl division) and FCS(Championship division). NDSU moved up from D2 about 7 years ago.

xdisciple 7 years, 7 months ago

I hated seeing Mangino run off. Football is king, not basketball. He didn't get fired for poking players in the chest and cussing, he got fired because he dared to challenge basketball at KU for king, and KU fans are too stupid to know he was right, because all they want to do is win at something, not the important thing. The Burge Union was all about which team ruled this campus, and the fact that no bballers got disciplined, the fballers lost their fight, and Mangino got fired answers that question for prospective players and coaches. This is how football gets treated at KU. Got it?

When, not if, the Big XII implodes, KU will end up in the WAC if we're lucky. All you goombahs calling for Gill's fire and saying we need a big name coach-- who is going to come coach at a school where fans walk out on winning teams ranked in the top 20 where the fans and administration refuse to acknowledge that 20 NCs in basketball don't equal a single conference championship in football when it comes to national respect and conference affilation, not to mention MONEY?

I hope all you basketball alone fans know that the WAC and Mountain West don't give a damn about basketball, either. And if you think the Big East will take us, they're a decent football conference in addition to bball, and if we don't have a fanbase that can not only support both, but support the one that makes the most difference, then KU is going down the tubes. I'm sick of all you whiney Jayhawker Walkers anyway. Maybe a little dose of reality will wake you up, but knowing your character from the 1000s I've had the misfortune to attend classes with and listen to in bars, you'll just switch to Mizzou when that happens anyway.

4everahawk 7 years, 7 months ago

The KC Star article pretty much nailed every point that was made about Gill, the game, our future......can't wait for basketball season, because KU football pretty much wrapped up yesterday as far as most are concerned. It wasn't enough that the athletics department administration has turned KU into a national embarrassment - now Gill is taking a turn.

Tom Wilson 7 years, 7 months ago

You have to use the word "embarrassing" to describe this game. My hunch was offense to even whisper about. Glad I did not throw away good money on season tickets. This loss ranks right "down" there with KU's loss to NIU in basketball.

indybar106 7 years, 7 months ago

Two words: PLAYERS COACH. In the 90's KU replaced a hard and tough winning coach (Glenn Mason) who had KU in the top 10 with a "PLAYERS COACH" - Terry Allen. In a short time KU was back to the old way. FLASH FORWARD: KU replaces a hard and tough (ok and fat but lets not get personal) with a "PLAYERS COACH" in 2010. We lose the first game 3-6 at home. NDSU had I think 17 freshman playing on the field at some time during the game. Not only was the game hard to watch for us, Turner Gill has to feel he got OUT COACHED. KU will be lucky to win 3 games.

yankeevet 7 years, 7 months ago

The team just needs too be tweaked a little.........just get a quarterback that can throw; a receiver that can catch; and a kicker that can kick the field goals.......that should then work for them.....

del888 7 years, 7 months ago

Remember, this is the new era of 'warm and fuzzy' football. No cussing on the field, No hitting the players, no 'mean' coaches. I hope they all got to go to McDonalds after the game to get ice cream - after all, both teams were winners.

Maracas 7 years, 7 months ago

Be prepared for Georgia Tech to beat us to a pulp next weekend, and make us like it. By October we may have to offer a ferris wheel and cotton candy to bolster attendance.

xyz 7 years, 7 months ago

Did y'all feel the earthquake last nite? It happened when Mangino fell off his couch laughing when he heard the score of this game.

brett conrad 7 years, 7 months ago

Uncle Fester paid this coach , HOW MUCH, for that performance. I have not seen an offense that bad since Valesente

irvan moore 7 years, 7 months ago

it would have helped if he seemed more upset the loss.

jcjayhawk88 7 years, 7 months ago

Look. We all know why he was hired and it wasn't for his win/loss record.

Graczyk 7 years, 7 months ago

Why was he hired? Why don't you just come out and say what you mean?

frank mcguinness 7 years, 7 months ago

Tuberville just won. Lew you messed this one up.

Jeremiah Jefferson 7 years, 7 months ago

The BIG XII should have kept Nebraska and Colorado and punted KU out on the street..

toto22 7 years, 7 months ago

Ok now lets get this straight. We loose to a no name upstart MVC school North Dakota which is not even the top team in the MVC. North Dakota came in on bus to the land of OZ for a money game. Their main objective was to collect the check, keep casualties to a minimum and get out of Dodge. Well even though Kansas is a bottom feeder in the Big 12(10) we have a big time athletic budget, we share $5-$10 million a year for being the in Big 12(10) conference, our coach makes $2 million a year(a great bargain AD Perkins), and most top rate players would rather come to Kansas than a lonely outpost knows as North Dakato State. Instead of making a statement from the start and bashing some heads, we play footsies because Coach Turner said we were not able to execute and that we need to move on from this nightmare(not exact quote). Well coach you sounded like a Sunday school teacher in your first news conference, instead of being embarassed. Every other word from your mouth should have been bleeped. Your are the $2 million man and the trail ends with you. Can't believe we paid $2 million for coach who had a loosing record at Buffalo. We could have gotten a smart offensive coordinator from a big time program who can coach and know how to make adjustments if something is not working.
Thank God (AD)Perkins is gone after 2011 school year. What a mess the football program is in. Everybody has seen Kansas from behind the curtain like the Wizard of OZ all smoke screens and just a nutty little professor pulling levers.

like_n_Lawrence 7 years, 7 months ago

This is so long I don't even want to read it...just sayin...

KSAuburnFan 7 years, 7 months ago

I can't believe 99% of the comments on this thread. Glen Mason, Bill Snyder, Mark Mangino all had limited success in thier early years. Funny how fickle fans are, probably were calling for Bill Self's head after Bucknell and Bradley, but he stayed the course and another national title banner was raised in Allen Field House. I am not here to say that Coach Gill is going to bring a national title to KU Football within 4 or 5 years, but what I am saying is he (just like every single one of us on this thread) deserves a chance, the cupboard was pretty bare after last year, and 1 game doesn't make a season.

As far as the comments about how being a Christian and a nice guy isn't the way to go about coaching. Yeah, you are probably right, I forgot about Tony Dungy (Super Bowl Championship Coach), Tommy Tuberville (Undefeated in 2004), Bobby Bowden, Tom Osborne--but yeah you guys are all right, no God Fearing Christian man can be a good coach.

average 7 years, 7 months ago

I have no problem with nice. I don't really have that big a problem with losing some like this. New guy, and indeed the cupboard was bare.

The frustration really comes out of paying Gill over $2mm a year. Plus a lot of high-pay entourage. Mangino started at $500k. Terry Allen less than that. Even with inflation, he's starting at roughly 4x what the last two coaches started at, and I haven't seen a whole lot, past or present, to suggest he deserves it. I think we could have gotten every bit as good a coach for under a million. Hell, I think we could have gotten Gill himself for under a million after another 4-8 year at Buffalo.

Lew likes to throw the money around to justify his own insane paycheck. That's the base frustration. We're just taking it out on Gill.

swaghook 7 years, 7 months ago

KU really would be scheduling a D2 then. Pitt St has a great program or at least it did when NDSU would meet them in the play offs back in the D2 days.

toto22 7 years, 7 months ago

Nothing wrong with being God fearing, just that his staff needs to shoot out bolts of lightning like the staff of Moses. Nobody is asking for a national title but you cannot lay an egg the first game to a lesser opponent. I saw no passion on the sidelines from Gil. Get in somebody's face if they screw up. If you want the support of the fans then show some passion and backbone.

toto22 7 years, 7 months ago

By the way the clock is clicking. Kansas football does not have 4-5 years to turn the program around. Look what happened the past couple of weeks between the WAC and MWC. BYU is now going independent in football. I guarantee you Texas is plotting their course for the next 5 years. Texas may decide to bolt and make a new superconference with other top football schools. . Once Texas goes so long paychecks. No more money for $2 million average football coaches. We could end up in the WAC or MWC as a a previous post mentioned. Gil will get a pass this year because Kansas is not going to buy out a contract after 1 year. Perkins reins as AD ends this school year 2011and new AD. I am sure all athletic postions will be evaluated as to what have you done for the school lately.

Huskers74 7 years, 7 months ago

The Sky is Falling!!! The Sky is Falling!!!! The Sky is Falling!!!!!

They will recover, can you say OVERREACTING!

Kent Fisher 7 years, 7 months ago

So true Husker....these bandwagon fans are an embarrassment.

jayhawklawrence 7 years, 7 months ago

Their defensive line and linebackers have been playing together for awhile and they were big and strong. They controlled the line of scrimmage. Our offensive line will get better because that is how it works. You have to have time to develop and they haven't.

Just about everything we had on the field is brand new.

You guys are WAY too critical and the newspapers are the same way. I think it is a sign of the times we are living in. People have gotten too critical about everything. This team is going to play better. It might take 4-5 weeks but I think we will start to appreciate what we have here.

olddognewtrix 7 years, 7 months ago

As I commented earlier--as a KSU grad and fan I was happy with Saturday's result. but, as a KU grad and fan I was vey disappointed. I love both schools! I have taught my 4 children that we root for KSU all the time and for KU all lthe time except when they play KSU. A very simple straightforward concept. So,,I am very resentful of the comments by some telling K SU fans to stay off the comments section. Sounds like a Palin, Beck or Brownback mentality

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toto22 7 years, 7 months ago

So are going to have musical chairs next week? Will it be Pick or Webb? Something tells me more drama. I believe our only win for the season may be Against New Mexico State unless will we bumble it up like the keystone cops.

wenis 7 years, 7 months ago

Im from Fargo, and I always thought this would be a win. Up here we're not worried about your football team, it's basketball. I'm surprised that you all thought this would be an easy win. "Kansas Football" are not scary words in Fargo, "Kansas Basketball"...well that's a different story.

Linda Aikins 7 years, 7 months ago

this was hard to understand. But the little I could, maybe that's a good thing,.

dogsandcats 7 years, 7 months ago

Oh NO! What is that horrible sound? It's KU's collective ego deflating.

Linda Aikins 7 years, 7 months ago

I have to say I watched most of the game with my head in my hands. I kept asking them to give us a reason to come back. We did stay to the end but it was hard. It kind of looked like a fraternity pick-up game although some frats may have looked better!

Kudos to the student section - they were almost all still there when the final whistle blew!!

We will continue to go to the games and hope that the program turns around. I have to believe that as bad as we felt, the players were 10x that. I just hope next week they are more prepared but I just don't know....However I stick with the Jayhawks thru thick and thin. I hope most of you do too. Sports are always up and down.

thebigspoon 7 years, 7 months ago

Maybe big Lew should have given the job to Ed Warinner ? He was a great offensive coordinator who surely would have been able to make adjustments at half time to try and figure out how to score more than 3 points against a small caliber school like that...

Ricky_Vaughn 7 years, 7 months ago

Face it, since the days of Gayle Sayers, KU's football program has been pretty weak outside the Mangino era. I see it as regression back to the mean.

BruceWayne 7 years, 7 months ago

feel like I am banging my head against a bridge here...the problem IS PERKINS. why is that so hard for everyone to understand? He wanted Mangino gone...period. After asking the team last year to turn on Mangino the season went down the Gill was a TERRIBLE hire. Harbaugh was and is still the only choice. BGL better grow a pair and drop the ax NOW.

yourworstnightmare 7 years, 7 months ago

Gill is not impressing. His stock is going down and he could turn out to be a very bad hire, a la Terry Allen.

I agree that Perkins wanted Mangino gone and manufactured player complaints. He could have done this at any time in Mangino's tenure. My guess is Mangino personally offended Perkin or offended donors, and so Perkins played the "player abuse" card.

I do not see a win on KU's schedule. They could easily go winless this season. We'll see how they adjust against GT. Could get ugly. New Mexico State might be too much for KU to handle.

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