Archive for Tuesday, October 26, 2010

Election integrity

Voter fraud is a serious crime that should result in serious consequences.

October 26, 2010


As Election Day draws near, there are sure to be an increasing number of stories about illegal voting schemes.

In politics, the name of the game is to win, win by whatever means are necessary. Major cases of voter fraud are reported, but rather than impose hard, tough penalties on those found guilty of violating rules, offenders get off with a relative slap on the wrist.

Laws are on the books to deal with the illegal actions, but nothing is done, even when they may have involved enough votes to put a candidate into office. Little, if any, effort is made to remove the person from office or call for a new vote. The candidate or campaign aides pay a small fine or suffer some other meaningless penalty. No one goes to prison.

Editorials are written about the need to get tough on campaign spending violations or voting fraud, but those willing to stoop to such actions get bolder and bolder with each election.

In a case currently under investigation in Troy, N.Y., members of the city council are suspected of forging absentee ballots to ensure that their candidates won in a 2009 election. It’s likely that similar fraud has occurred in other states and may have an impact on next Tuesday’s general election. How many candidates have either won or lost an election because of fraudulent voting is unknown but, chances are, there is an increase in that number year after year.

And yet, in those cases where fraud is proven, the penalty is so minor it doesn’t discourage others from playing the game. Even if you get caught, the winning candidate who has benefited from the fraud sits in his or her office and can laugh at those who play the game fair and square.

Voter fraud has been an issue in the current campaign for Kansas secretary of state. While Kansas has had few documented cases of voter fraud, it’s important that, when situations are discovered, they are investigated and proper punishments are doled out.

When election efforts and campaigning becoming more tough, mean, intense and sophisticated, it’s important to carefully monitor the accuracy and integrity of the voting process. People who organize efforts to illegally sway elections should suffer consequences that reflect the very serious crime of promoting and casting illegal votes.


notajayhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

Ooh, this one's gonna' get ugly. Think I'll pass.

Maddy Griffin 7 years, 8 months ago

Is this an attempt by the LJWorld to back the idiot claiming that "voter fraud" is such a big problem in Kansas? Puh-leez

rtwngr 7 years, 8 months ago

It's always the same complaints. The winners are telling crummy jokes and the losers are crying deal man deal.

Lindsey Buscher 7 years, 8 months ago

Eh uh DinkyBrain,

The article is about voter fraud.Vote “no” on library taxes. Do like people with fixed incomes do: Live with what you’ve got. The full article is titled: "Election Integrity: VOTER FRAUD is a serious crime that should result in serious consequences."

The word "fraud" appears 8 times in the body of the article. It does not cover electioneering or voter intimidation. The first sentence ends with "illegal voting schemes." The only other issue mentioned is campaign spending violations.

So you are wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong (said like Dr. Cox).

So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Lindsey Buscher 7 years, 8 months ago

hm, not sure where the "vote "no" part of my post came from....

Lindsey Buscher 7 years, 8 months ago

buwaahahahaha, nice evidence you effin baby, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. That was hearsay about possible electioneering (NOT voter fraud), but if you happen to run into the First Lady, whether it's Michelle Obama or Laura Bush, wouldn't you want a picture or to say something. This is grasping at straws. but i would expect nothing less from the ring-wing-nuttery of Kansas.

Lindsey Buscher 7 years, 8 months ago

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 8 months ago

That's why you're here, right, tinky? To demonstrate tolerance and maturity?

Well, maybe not.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 8 months ago

"In a case currently under investigation in Troy, N.Y., members of the city council are suspected of forging absentee ballots to ensure that their candidates won in a 2009 election. It’s likely that similar fraud has occurred in other states and may have an impact on next Tuesday’s general election."

So, we have a case of, maybe, somebody up in NY forging ballots, and that somehow makes additional commission of fraud elsewhere "likely?"

And if our laws securing elections are so lacking, how was the fraud in NY discovered?

Sorry, Dolph, but this little exercise in whipping hysteria is beneath even you.

bad_dog 7 years, 8 months ago

Don't you mean "Coleman/Bush Style" Tom? Coleman's narrow victory in the regular election triggered a statutorily mandated recount which Coleman lost. He challenged that finding and lost before a 3 judge panel, and again before the Minnesota Supreme Court. Same deal with Bush/Gore-a statutorily mandated recount and additional statutorily permitted recounts. Are statutorily mandated and permitted recounts the kind of "shenanigans" you fear, or only if they are initiated and/or won by Democrats?

Bob Forer 7 years, 8 months ago

I love when bad dog gets mean.... arrrfffff.....arrrffffffffff. Sic em.

jafs 7 years, 8 months ago

Why this issue turns into partisan bickering is really beyond me.

If we want our elections to be fair, and all votes to be counted correctly, we should all be in favor of any mechanisms that will help that happen.

Eliminating voter fraud, intimidation, etc. are all good ideas, as would be a standardized voting system that made sure all votes were counted correctly.

jonas_opines 7 years, 8 months ago

"Why this issue turns into partisan bickering is really beyond me."

I assume you mean beyond the obvious, that Everything here turns inevitably into partisan bickering.

My guess is it's because finding solutions is actually a low priority, quite a bit lower than "rah rah team blue/team red"

notajayhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

"I assume you mean beyond the obvious, that Everything here turns inevitably into partisan bickering. "

I disagree, and you must be some kind of liberal/socialist dogma-spewer for saying so!!!!!!!!!

jonas_opines 7 years, 8 months ago

Man, I've tried twice now to post an appropriate garblebargl reply to this and it hasn't taken either time. What gives?

notajayhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

As long as you don't try to post an inappropriate garblebargl reply.

Unless it's funny.

jonas_opines 7 years, 8 months ago

Nah I'm moving on. I'll come back and get you, right when you least expect it.

So remember what you said. you'll be devastated then, I promise.

BigPrune 7 years, 8 months ago

Throughout the years I've sometimes had to question our local election integrity, but that's just me, and I live in a liberal city. Everyone knows liberal cities never have election integrity issues,.....right?

beatrice 7 years, 8 months ago

Party over country, as usual. How sad that other people winning an election will determine your own self worth. That is just pathetic.

notajayhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

Ms. Kettle? Ms. Kettle? Mr. Pot is on line two for Ms. Kettle. Paging Ms. Kettle ...

beatrice 7 years, 8 months ago

Try again dog breath. I will still be fine and happy even if people choose to put more Republicans into office in the coming election. There will be a balance of power, and I'll be swell. My posts won't be anything like your constant sore-loser whinings of the past two years.

notajayhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Whew!! Thanks for the laughs, bea, that was rich. You still post nothing but sore loser rantings from the administration that hasn't been in power for two years!

At any rate, one-who-is-so-familiar-with-canine-mouths (although your posts, as usual, are much more consistent with what comes out the other end), I was referring to your "Party over country, as usual" joke. For almost two years now you've done nothing but sing praises to the heavens over every thing the weasel-in-chief does, things you b* and moaned and whined ad nauseum (and continued to do so) when his predecessor did the exact same thing. All the while accusing everyone else* of being partisan hacks.

And "dog breath", bea? What are you, five? You're always good for a laugh, bea. Keep 'em coming.

beatrice 7 years, 8 months ago


Sure, lecture others about being 5. My comment was a light aside based on your avatar. As far as being a "sore loser" about the last administration -- not quite. More like upset American over what that administration did to this country. Yes, I do feel our current president has done much good for this country that his opponent wouldn't have done (like kept us from falling into a Depression), but I am not thrilled with everything he has done. That would be silly to think that way. You simply fail to acknowledge that he is even capable of doing good, because you are a sore loser.

Now, you have accussed me of **ing and moaning and whining ad nauseum about things Bush did that Obama continues to do. Please, give some examples. Personally, I only see you and Tom saying "But, but ... Bush!" in about half your posts, not me.

If the Republicans take control of the House, I hope it makes your life complete. It appears you need it.

notajayhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

Nah, that wouldn't do it. Watching you foam at the mouth for the next several years, all the while sputtering that you would never do so, is just one of the bright spots in an otherwise quite satisfying life.

voevoda 7 years, 8 months ago

The real problems in voter fraud are systemic schemes--usually the work of political operatives. They include not only filling in absentee ballots fraudulently, but also the shennanigans we witnessed in the the 2000 and 2004 elections: tampering with computerized voting machines, deterring voters by providing too few polling stations (thus creating 8-hour waits), filing lawsuits to prevent recounts. No picture ID requirement would correct these types of voter fraud. Picture IDs wouldn't even prevent ineligible individuals from voting, because realistic fake ones are so easy to get. Just ask any college student or barkeeper.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 8 months ago

Why does anyone want computerized voting? This is absurd we know this. We also know computers can be hacked,quit at any time and in general make mistakes.

Do away with computers for voting --- problem solved!

Will voter ID keep fraud in check? How? This is nothing more than more big government coming from republicans.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 8 months ago

"There is no doubt Dems need to watched like a hawk and put under a microscope" -

The Repub crime syndicate is truly not the economic giant of our time.

Did voters forget who and what put 11 million out of work,out of medical insurance, killed retirement plans and in general wiped out the economy twice in the last 30 years? ?

Republicans are simply too dangerous to be in charge of OUR money and OUR economy!

No jobs,no medical insurance,retirement plans up in smoke by the party that believes flippin burgers is a great alternative never mind that parents can no longer be home parenting.

This is what I mean:

  1. The Reagan/ Bush Savings and Loan Heist( millions out of work)
    Jeb Bush, George Bush Sr., and his son Neil Bush have all been implicated in the Savings and Loan Scandal, which cost American tax payers over $1.4 TRILLION dollars (note that this was about one quarter of our national debt").

The Reagan/Bush savings and loan heist was considered the largest theft in history at the time. George Herbert Walker Bush then took $1.4 trillion of taxpayers money to cover the theft.

  1. The Bush/Cheney Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers(million out of work)
    Yes, substantial fraud was involved. For example, mortgage companies and banks used deceit to get people to take on mortgages when there was no possibility that the borrowers would be able to meet the payments. Not only was this fraud, but this fraud depended on government authorities ignoring their regulatory responsibilities."

  2. Only 3 major Financial Institutions were at risk in spite of what we’re told ?
    "There were just a handful of institutions that were terribly weakened. AIG the insurer, Bank of America and Citigroup, Those three were clearly in very weakened form. Many of the other big banks simply were not.

  3. Privatizing Social Security Would Place the Nations Economy at Risk
    "Social Security privatization will raise the size of the government's deficit to nearly $700 billion per year for the next 20 years, almost tripling the size of the national debt.

Put simply, moving to a system of private accounts would not only put retirement income at risk--it would likely put the entire economy at risk."

  1. Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts - (DO NOT create Jobs)

The ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class = tax increases for the middleclass.

  1. Reagan/Bush Iran-Contra Illegal Sale of Weapons

7.The Nixon Watergate - Illegal wire tap of democratic headquarters

Flap Doodle 7 years, 8 months ago

Woo hoo! It's been hours since you posted this same set of links! Could you take a moment from all your copy/pasting and share with us just what you think you are accomplishing by repeating the same information over and over and over?

beatrice 7 years, 8 months ago

Of course you would never actually address what is said in those links, now would you?

Take just the Bush Tax Cuts. Where exactly are the jobs they are supposed to be creating?

notajayhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

What was the unemployment rate before the Bush tax cuts, bea? What was it afterward?

What was the unemployment rate before Obama's "stimulus", bea? What is it now?

Care to try to get any of those questions right, bea?

booyalab 7 years, 8 months ago

Apparently someone has not heard of the Reagan/Cheney tax cuts for unemployment bush lied contra kids died scandal

or the Bush/Ghengis Khan drown an elementary school in oil then laugh and high five afterwards program

Nixon/Palin fraud on the people who go to the store with the vague intention of buying something but go out empty handed because they're getting hungry

Bush was evil. He mispronounced words (and did NOT even read the New York Times)

notajayhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

Hmmm, how odd. bea seems pretty quick to respond to other posts, but no attempt at an answer here? After accusing Tom of "never actually address[ing] what is said"? Go figure.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 8 months ago

It seems to me that Kelly Kultala was being up front with a business by stating her personal shopping preference. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing unusual with her position either.

WE quit shopping Wal-Mart more than 5 years ago because we believe it is a scumbag corporation based on many political positions of Wal-Mart. Nothing wrong with this decision.

This allegation is more than a year old. So what's the beef? It's a load of crap!!!!

StaceyD 7 years, 8 months ago

Aren't you tired of this?

Are you ready to vote with courage?

Andrew Gray for Kansas Governor.

notajayhawk 7 years, 8 months ago

Maybe because, as Speaker of the House, Reid's actions affect the entire country, not just Nevada? Not to mention make him second in the line of succession to the presidency? Just a thought.

pace 7 years, 7 months ago

Voter fraud. fear.Voter fraud will be used in Kansas to regulate what documents and id's each voter will be required to carry. The most dangerous voter fraud will not be at this level. It will be the officials carrying the boxes when they cross the river.

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