Archive for Sunday, October 17, 2010

Man cleaning gun accidentally shoots 2

October 17, 2010


— Investigators in New Mexico say a Chaparral man who was cleaning his handgun Saturday morning accidentally shot his 4-year-old son and the bullet passed through the boy and hit the man’s mother.

Dona Ana Sheriff’s Department investigator Bo Nevarez says both are in critical condition but their wounds aren’t believed to be life-threatening.

He says the bullet struck the boy in his stomach and continued through to the grandmother and hit her in the abdomen.

Investigators regard it as an accident but are sending the case to prosecutors to determine whether negligence played a role.


somebodynew 6 years ago

"Investigators regard it as an accident but are sending the case to prosecutors to determine whether negligence played a role."

OK, it may not be Criminal Negligence in NM, but anytime a firearm goes off "while cleaning" it IS negligence in that rules are not being followed.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

At least they weren't shot by home invaders, because Dad was protecting them.

Majestic42 6 years ago

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50YearResident 6 years ago

Why is this "Local News"? Idiots don't to make National News unless the LJW editor is 'Anti-Gun'.

RoeDapple 6 years ago

Actually I have found LJW staff to be neutral/slightly pro gun in previous articles. Even here, where the most stupid of any gun handling scenarios has occurred leading to the injury of the innocent, the article only states the alleged facts without enhancement by the Associated Press reporter who wrote it.

WHY 6 years ago

The LJW is not anti gun. I'm sure the LJW thinks its great that another idiot used his constitutional right to bear arms to put a bullet into two people who have a constitutional right not to have holes in them. If you aren't a scardycat you don't need a gun.

Flap Doodle 6 years ago

It's kinda hard to kill a flying Canada goose with a spinning thunder kick.

parrothead8 6 years ago

The flying Canada goose probably wishes more of us would try it that way. Using a gun hardly seems fair.

Majestic42 6 years ago

ponders what a fair fight between geese and humans would look like

Majestic42 6 years ago

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WHY 6 years ago

Morons as gun owners. Perish the thought. There are plenty of college educated well adjusted individuals living in the suburbs armed to the teeth with high power assault weapons just in case.

gccs14r 6 years ago

Weeding out the morons should be part of the "well-regulated" aspect of Amendment Two. A comprehensive mental evaluation, background check, proper and extensive training in human psychology, personal defense, and weapons history and tactics, qualification with the weapon(s) of choice, and recertification (with weapons inspection) at least every two years until age 60, at which it would become annual, seems like a good place to start. That would greatly reduce the incidence of weapons moronity in the news.

beatrice 6 years ago

Well, that might all be a bit over the top, but I like the idea of emphasis being placed on "well-regulated."

pizzapete 6 years ago

No doubt, what kinda idiot cleans a loaded gun?

Chris Golledge 6 years ago

Trying to figure out a couple of things:

a) Since it takes all of about 2-4 seconds to empty any firearm I've come across of all ammunition, and a few minutes at the minimum to clean a firearm, why would it not be worth the trouble to do?

b) I generally clean a gun from the inside out; my fingerprints on the outside are the last to go. That means starting with cleaning the bore, which involves passing some cleaning tool completely from one end through the other, which isn't possible with a round chambered. So, was he really cleaning it, or just handling it?

My guess is that saying he was cleaning it sounded like a better excuse for shooting his family than saying he was just messing around with it.

riverdrifter 6 years ago

I'd say you're right, CG. How many times have we heard this before? When I spill the bolt out of my Sako 75 to clean it (which is only about 3-4 times per year), er, it ain't "going off". Next.

Majestic42 6 years ago

I'm with ya, CG. I'd be interested in seeing what kind of firearm this was. My guess is that he was just STARTING to clean it or just FINISHING, and didn't bother practicing trigger discipline. The Four Laws save lives. The 1st Law - The Gun Is Always Loaded. The 2nd Law - Never Point The Gun At Something You Are Not Prepared To Destroy. The 3rd Law - Always Be Sure Of Your Target And What Is Behind It. The 4th Law - Keep Your Finger Off The Trigger Until Your Sights Are On The Target.

kansasmutt 6 years ago

You were the first Chuck Norris.

oldvet 6 years ago

Sadly, this idiot has already contributed to the gene pool...

slowplay 6 years ago

"Yes, even gun owners are going to have their percentage of complete morons".:.......

Unfortunately, that percentage is around 90%.

Adrienne Sanders 6 years ago

I would say the moron percentage is at least 90 no matter what you're applying it to.

Majestic42 6 years ago

Ain't improper firearm behavior grand! Fixed that for ya.

beatrice 6 years ago

Nope, that changed it. Ain't guns grand! That is exactly as I meant it to read. Interpret as you see fit (or have a fit with your interpretation, as will likely be the case with you).

beatrice 6 years ago

"Yes, even gun owners are going to have their percentage of complete morons."

Why? Shouldn't we do something to minimize the potential of having armed morons among us? How about something simple -- like conceal and carry training for ALL gun owners. We require people to show proficiency at operating a car before they are allowed to drive, so why not something similar for gun owners? I appreciate that we don't have a Constitutional right to drive, but do feel that a bit of training can go a long way.

think_about_it 6 years ago

According to the FBI there are approximately 100 million more guns than cars in the US. How many of your "trained" drivers accidentally kill someone else every year? The number of accidental shootings is a minuscule fraction of that.

Ban cars now!!

Adrienne Sanders 6 years ago

Not a fair comparison- many people drive cars every day of their lives. Most of those do not handle their firearms anywhere near that often.

beatrice 6 years ago

You are the only one using the word "ban."

coolmarv 6 years ago

You might be a Redneck if......... oh never mind.

chzypoof1 6 years ago

I love it when the word "guns" comes up, everyone loses it about how "dangerous" they are. A few statistics on other things we should ban because they are dangerous:

Cars: 33,963 deaths in 2009 Alcohol: 13,500 just from drunk driving Tobacco: 443,000

Accidental death by guns: 700

Dang scary guns...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

Why didn't you mention the 16,000 homicides committed every year with guns?

chzypoof1 6 years ago

This article is about an accidental discharge of a weapon, not a homicide. There are too many on this board trying to paint guns as a safety hazard. This is not the case when handled properly.

And if you want to lump homicides in, you are still WAY below Car accidents...

The point is that no matter how much you want guns to be "scary and dangerous"...they are only dangerous in the hands of the ignorant and untrained hand. Heck, we even train people to drive vehicles, and more still die from car accidents than guns...

No matter the "dangerous thing", it can be deadly in the wrong hands....

IE...Alcohol, cars, etc...

Majestic42 6 years ago

chzypoof1 uses Logic! It's very effective! But seriously folks, the Cheese is right. There's nothing scary about a tool (which is what a firearm is and should be treated like).

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

"they are only dangerous in the hands of the ignorant and untrained hand."

The 16,000 people murdered with guns every year will be glad to hear that.

Jeff Cuttell 6 years ago

Don't forget intentional deaths by all of these. Know which one wins?

gccs14r 6 years ago

Check the death rate per vehicle miles driven in a year and compare that to the death rate per number of bullets fired in a year and see how your stats stack up. (No, I don't have those numbers, but someone does.)

beatrice 6 years ago

Yep, guns are so safe. Just ask this child and his grandmother.

Danimal 6 years ago

Well we should probably take all guns away because they're dangerous. We should also take away what's left of freedom of speech, assembly, religion, and the press because they could be dangerous too. The Phelps clan in Topeka and Neo-Nazis are the perfect example of why none of us can be trusted with individual liberty.

Seriously, in a nation of more than 300 million people there are going to be some accidents and crimes involving firearms. Everyone of our individual liberties carries a dark side and the right to bear arms is no different. I contend that the second amendment is the thing that gives the citizenry teeth to control our government should it trend towards tyranny, and that's how the Founders wanted it.

Majestic42 6 years ago

Careful, dan. Folks 'round here don't go fer logic that much anymores.

beatrice 6 years ago

Instead of taking the guns away, why not just require some level of training to prove a very basic level of proficiency, like not cleaning a loaded gun?

Hudson Luce 6 years ago

People who shoot themselves or others while "cleaning" their guns most probably weren't cleaning their guns at all. There's probably more to this story. Police used to give as a cause of death for suicides who had wives and children that they "shot themselves while cleaning their gun" because insurance policies wouldn't pay on a suicide. This might be an attempted homicide, and the local PD might be trying to protect someone from the consequences of their actions. To clean a firearm of any kind, the first thing you have to do is to unload it, because you're going to be cleaning the chamber, the place where the cartridge is when the hammer strikes the primer, igniting the gunpowder in the brass case and sending the bullet down the barrel. It's impossible to clean a loaded firearm. There's more to this story than is being reported.

As for the phrase "well-regulated militia" in the Second Amendment, that has to do with the state of training and discipline of the militia, as held by the US Supreme Court in 2008 in the landmark 2nd Amendment case, District of Columbia v. Heller: "Finally, the adjective “well-regulated” implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training. See Johnson 1619 (“Regulate”: “To adjust by rule or method”); Rawle 121–122; cf. Va. Declaration of Rights §13 (1776), in 7 Thorpe 3812, 3814 (referring to “a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms”). District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 22-23 (2008).

Danimal 6 years ago

People accidentally shoot themselves or others all the time trying to clean their firearms. Heck, my brother had an accidental discharge when preparing to clean a rifle once. When I was in the Marines I once saw a Captain have two accidental discharges in less than a minute. If you're not paying attention and don't maintain proper safety and discipline it can happen to anyone. This story was notable because two people were hit with one bullet. To insinuate that this guy was trying to kill his son and mother is reprehensible. He's probably devastated at the injuries he's caused to his family. Accidental discharges cause injury and too frequently death because someone got careless and failed to unload their firearm, or at least check. One of the paramount rules of firearm safety is to always, always check the status of a firearm when you first touch it. And of course, treat every weapon as if it were loaded.

Kontum1972 6 years ago

i havent fired a weapon since i came back from Nam......had plenty of that while i was over there....i am more into japanese steel now....its silent ......

somedude20 6 years ago

dude must be a relative of Dick Cheney

BillC97 6 years ago

Folks in my town do the NRA proud, bearing arms and exercising their Second Amendment Rights. There is at least one shooting everyday, sometimes several. Yep, exercising their rights... NRA be proud. No matter that there's usually someone else losing all of their rights... permanently.

Majestic42 6 years ago

Expect this had nothing to do with guns and everything to do with being an idiot.

Flap Doodle 6 years ago

In other news, today tens of millions of Americans got through a perfectly ordinary day while owning firearms. Tens of thousands of Americans legally and safely carried concealed firearms.

mbulicz 6 years ago

Spank a kid once, right, and just the threat of a spanking can get compliance.

Shoot a kid and as far as he's concerned you must be God.

Majestic42 6 years ago

Wow, that's not a disturbing or misguided post at all.

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