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Kansas House votes to override abortion bill veto; measure moves to Senate

The state House overturned a veto from Gov. Mark Parkinson on an abortion bill making its way through Kansas legislature. The bill would outlaw late-term abortions.

May 3, 2010, 12:02 p.m. Updated May 3, 2010, 2:18 p.m.


— Kansas House members voted Monday to override Democratic Gov. Mark Parkinson’s veto of a late-term abortion bill.

The 86-35 vote sends the bill to the Senate. The bill needs 27 votes in the Senate to override Parkinson’s veto and allow the bill to become law. Chances there are less certain, where the bill passed with only 24 votes earlier in the session. Republicans have majorities in both chambers.

“We knew we were very, very close,” said Rep. Lance Kinzer, an Olathe Republican who led the override attempt. “Obviously, there were organized efforts at the grass-roots level” over the weekend.

Parkinson issued a statement, saying there were more important issues before legislators than abortion politics.

“It is disappointing that the House has chosen to spend its time on a politically divisive issue that is exhausted annually instead of focusing on this year’s challenging state budget, which they have yet to discuss,” Parkinson said.

The House came two votes shy of an override Friday on its first attempt. Kinzer used parliamentary procedure to save the bill and give one more try Monday when supporters of the bill who were absent Friday would be present.

Under the bill, patients or family members could sue doctors if they have evidence an abortion violated state law.

The measure also requires more details in doctors’ reports to the state about abortions of viable fetuses after the 21st week of pregnancy. Kansas allows such abortions only to save the mother’s life or prevent major damage to her health.

No doctor in Kansas is known to be performing late-term abortions since the murder last year of Dr. George Tiller.

Kansas is among several Midwest states seeking tighter abortion regulations.

On Monday, Oklahoma Attorney General Drew Edmondson agreed to a court order requested by abortion providers to delay enforcement of a new state law, which requires women to get an ultrasound and hear a detailed description of the fetus. It was one of two bills vetoed by Gov. Brad Henry but overridden by the Oklahoma Legislature and allowed to become law.

Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman signed two bills into law in April, also aimed at late-term procedures. One bars abortions at and after 20 weeks of pregnancy based on assertions that fetuses feel pain at that time. The current standard is viability.

That bill is partially meant to shut down one of the few late-term abortion providers in the country, Dr. LeRoy Carhart, who practices in an Omaha, Neb. suburb. Carhart was a friend of Tiller and has expressed interest in reopening Tiller’s practice, leading to the Kansas legislation.

Heineman also signed a bill requiring doctors or other health professionals to assess whether women have risk factors that could lead to mental or physical problems after an abortion.

Parkinson vetoed the Kansas law on April 15, saying that while all abortions were tragic, he said it is a matter that should be decided by women, their families, medical providers and pastors, not legislators. A similar bill was vetoed in 2009 by then-Gov. Kathleen Sebelius.

Kinzer said the success of the bill this year was due to efforts to address the concerns raised by Sebelius’ veto, including language regarding jurisdiction of prosecutors to file charges against providers.

The bill was first introduced in 2006 in effort to improve enforcement of Kansas’ 1999 late-term laws, Kinzer said, specifically making certain providers were listing a specific medical condition for performing the abortion and not restating statutes on mandated forms.

“The issue has dogged the state for a decade,” Kinzer said.

Kathy Ostrowski, lobbyist for the anti-abortion group Kansans for Life, said the bill would tell the Kansas Department of Health and Environment, which collects documents on all abortions performed in Kansas, to stop the abuse of reporting requirements. She hoped the Senate would act quickly to vote on an override.


Wow21 7 years, 10 months ago

In other, obviously less important, news the state budget projections are another $65 million short for April but maybe if we just close our eyes and pretend that pesky little budget problem is not there it'll go away. Nice work.

BigDog 7 years, 10 months ago

Would you prefer that they spend their day cutting another $65 million from the current year's budget? Afterall the shortfall is in the current year.

And most likely the budget debate will take place later this afternoon.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 10 months ago

When are these state houses going to start treating women like they have more intelligence than a box of rocks? So they really think women want a family member filing a lawsuit for them. whether they want it or not? Do they really think this is going to curb abortion? And this ultrasound nonsense in OK. What are they going to do if a woman closes her eyes, sticks her fingers in her ears and sings, "lalalalalala" while she undergoes a forced medical procedure? And they are going to let doctors lie to us to keep us from aborting a malformed fetus????? And let's not leave out Nebraska. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that a fetus even begins to feel pain until late in the third trimester. Even at birth, the nervous system hasn't finished fully developing. If this were not so, how do you think a baby could withstand the sheer pain of being born, their skull bones pushed together and over riding, their shoulders undergoing enough pressure to cause dislocation if they weren't soft and malleable? So what do we have here, the Flat Earth Society? These laws in their rabid theocratic drive to force women to stop having abortions insult, not just the intelligence of women, but all of us. But they especially insult the intelligence of women because they also rob us of our autonomy. I truly feel that if these state houses keep it up they're going to see a backlash among women like they've never seen before. Being anti-abortion does not mean being anti-choice and being pro-choice does not mean being pro-abortion. These laws will drive women on the fence to take up arms simply because of how insulting they are to our intelligence and how threatening they are to our autonomy.

roosmom 7 years, 10 months ago

So let's send it to the Judicial Branch and have it fail to waste more tax payers money just to make a point and try to get more votes. Thanks for using us women again!!!!

Amy Heeter 7 years, 10 months ago

Children are more important than money.

ivalueamerica 7 years, 10 months ago

your opinion does not change the law. The law allows for a murder charge in that instance NOT because a fetus is a human, but because it took the choice away from the mother.

You want to defend the mothers choice in that case and take it away in the case of abortion.

Can not re-write the Constitution man, you can either support it or oppose it..trator.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 10 months ago

You really think so Artie? Then tell that to the people who keep cutting welfare to women with children and see how far you get.

headdoctor 7 years, 10 months ago

And in other news, the Kansas Republican Politicians believe that all this anger and belligerent attitude toward the Government is a vote of confidence for them to keep pushing their agenda. Sources close to the Republican party have finally admitted that they haven't figured out why they appear to be losing some support in Western Kansas. They believe they are doing what the constituants want so intend to push harder to gain back the lost support.

According to the Democrats, the Republicans haven't a clue that the anger and belligerent attitude isn't so much toward the Government but against the Republican party.

Centerville 7 years, 10 months ago

I can't think of anything more politically divisive (or more important) than overtaxing working people so that the government can continue to lounge around in velvet.

bruno2 7 years, 10 months ago

What absolute BS. Self-righteous Republican jerks! I wonder how they would vote on this if men got pregnant?

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 10 months ago

Even stranger are the people who cry about the "Nanny State" and then create laws specifically for women that are just that.

somedude20 7 years, 10 months ago

well if this BS is really about the "embryo's" saftey than America must now outlaw ALL fat women from having kids. If this is really about protecting the unborn "life" then do it all because now it just seems like politics and forcing religious beliefs onto other people Complications For Mom If you are obese during pregnancy, you are at risk of several serious health complications, including: Preeclampsia: Preeclampsia is a condition which causes high blood pressure, fluid retention, and swelling during pregnancy. When serious, preeclampsia can restrict placental blood flow, endangering baby. Gestational Diabetes: Gestational diabetes is a form of diabetes that develops during pregnancy. It prevents your body from breaking down sugar and can put your baby at risk for gaining too much weight in utero. Cesarean Section: Women who are obese during pregnancy have an increased risk of experiencing problems during delivery. Labor is more likely to be slow and prolonged, increasing the likelihood of cesarean section. Postpartum Infection: Obesity during pregnancy also makes you more vulnerable to experiencing a difficult postpartum recovery. In particular, if you have had a c-section, you are at risk for developing dangerous postpartum infections.

Complications for Baby If you are obese during your pregnancy, you baby is also at risk for developing some dangerous health issues. Macrosoma: Macrosoma is a condition in which your baby puts on too much weight during development. This can complicate labor and delivery, making it difficult for your baby to enter and exit the birth canal. Some large babies have their shoulders injured during birth. This is known as shoulder dystonia. Neural Tube Defects: Babies born to obese mothers are also at increased risk of suffering dangerous neural tube defects during development. Neural tube defects, like spina bifida and anencephaly, are often associated with low levels of folic acid during the first trimester. These defects can frequently be detected early in pregnancy through the use of ultrasound imaging. However, women who are obese often produce poor ultrasounds. Because the ultrasound waves have trouble penetrating extra layers of fat, blurry images are produced. As a result, neural tube defects aren’t always detected in these babies. Childhood Obesity: Studies show that babies who are born to obese mothers are more likely to suffer from obesity by the time they reach the age of four. In one recent study, 29% of children born to obese mothers were also obese by the age of four, compared with only 9% of babies born to mothers of normal weight.

Kathy Theis-Getto 7 years, 10 months ago

Good points somedude.

Artichokeheart: Children are most definitely more important than money, but an embryo is not a child and abortion is not murder. Your kind are not defenders of human life - you are extreme haters. Ayn Rand said it well "...Their hatred is directed against human beings as such, against the mind, against reason, against ambition, against success, against love, against any value that brings happiness to human life. In compliance with the dishonesty that dominates today's intellectual field, they call themselves 'pro-life."

The prolife movement has a goal alright - to turn women into breeders totally controlled by the government and some fairytale tenet.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 10 months ago

If you think this legislation is good work then you must be a closet Democrat just praying the backlash will be one more nail in the Republican coffin. heehee

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 10 months ago

So how are things at Westboro Baptist, gvnobas?

slowplay 7 years, 10 months ago

"that's why the state is broke and the country is in recession and everything". God must be a Republican.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 10 months ago

Take a look at this person's past posting history, beo. They're making a joke (and a point).

keith manies 7 years, 10 months ago

Just wait until this state has Brownback for governor. There will be nothing to check the radical right wingers and their misguided legislation. We will make Arizona, Oklahoma, and Texas look progressive.

Stephanie Anderson 7 years, 10 months ago

oh, social control....always top priority (and by those that say their platform is small government)

parrothead8 7 years, 10 months ago

I expect, soon enough, to see headlines that read:

Kansas House votes to override women's suffrage

Kansas House votes to override women getting equal pay

Kansas House votes to disallow women to make their own decisions about their bodies

Oh, wait. That last one just happened.

Tex 7 years, 10 months ago

"bruno2 (anonymous) says…

What absolute BS. Self-righteous Republican jerks! I wonder how they would vote on this if men got pregnant?"

Presumably men would still, then, give birth to humans, so the moral issues would be exactly the same. You might consider basing your moral code on something deeper than a bumper sticker.

" parrothead8 (anonymous) says…

I expect, soon enough, to see headlines that read:

Kansas House votes to override women's suffrage

Kansas House votes to override women getting equal pay

Kansas House votes to disallow women to make their own decisions about their bodies

Oh, wait. That last one just happened."

Mother's Day is just around the corner. If you're still blessed to have your mother here on earth, it's a good time to thank her for not deciding to dismember your tiny body and suck the pieces out with a vacuum, or, alternately, essentially burn your tiny body with saline solution to expel the remains from her womb.

CHANDLER007 7 years, 10 months ago

Wow. When you put it that way, I'm totally going to thank my mother for giving birth to me, then running off with a stranger and leaving me with a father who used me as a sexual plaything! Thanks for enlightening me. Thank my mother. That's a good one! I would rather have been aborted.

Tex 7 years, 10 months ago

Bruno2, I apologize, my comment on your comment was not very charitable. I will point out, though, there are prominent pro-life women. Norma McCorvey, for example, the plaintiff in Roe v Wade. Lila Rose, the founder of, is another excellent example.

Consider this recent cover story from The Economist: A reading of that article might lead one to think that just maybe abortion on demand isn't such a good thing for womankind after all.

gogoplata 7 years, 10 months ago

I'm anti-abortion so I am OK with them spending time trying to protect liberty. This is one function of government I believe in.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 10 months ago

I see. You want them to protect the liberty of everyone but women. You want women to be forced to undergo unwanted medical procedures. You want women to be LIED to by their doctors and have those doctors protected by the government. (This, by the way, means that no pregnancy will be safe in the state of Oklahoma.) You want women to be forced to be party to lawsuits in their name they may not want. You want women to be arrested and possibly charged with murder simply because they had a miscarriage. (This means, too, that no pregnancy will be safe in the state of Utah.) So tell me; just how are any of these measures "pro-liberty"?

TheOriginalCA 7 years, 10 months ago

That's right Wow21, let's just pretend like those pesky little babies aren't even there.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 10 months ago

Why not? That's what they do once they're born.

mr_right_wing 7 years, 10 months ago

I'll come right out and proudly say it; I'm pro-life, anti-abortion.

But can you step up and call yourselves anti-life, pro-abortion? (and even if you do, I'm very glad you yourself weren't rinsed down a drain.)

There are going to be a zillion more posts, so that does it for MRW. (huge sigh of relief from the pro-infanticide crowd.)

mr_right_wing 7 years, 10 months ago

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Cait McKnelly 7 years, 10 months ago

Go to bed, MRW. You've just conceded that you have any right or place in this debate.

mr_right_wing 7 years, 10 months ago

must have been a bit tired yourself;

it reads: ...that you have any right... should read: ...that you have no right...

I am very glad you weren't aborted.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 10 months ago

Which is exactly what this defective thinking is - a denial of the obvious in order to avoid the technical definition of disenfranchisement.. A mental sickness masquerading as "Pro-Life" and "fetal rights", so that women can be denied their natural choice, and their human rights.

jhokfan 7 years, 10 months ago

Republicans claim to be the party of less government. Anti-abortion, anti-gay, sounds like more government to me.

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