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Rove speech cut short by anti-war protesters

March 31, 2010

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— Anti-war protesters have heckled former White House political adviser Karl Rove off the stage at his book signing in Beverly Hills.

About 100 Rove supporters watched Monday as Code Pink co-founder Jodie Evans walked toward him with handcuffs, calling him a war criminal and saying she was making a citizen’s arrest.

Ten protesters in all repeatedly interrupted Rove’s talk at the Saban Theatre as he promoted his memoir, “Courage and Consequence: My Life As a Conservative in the Fight.”

Rove says the allegation that the Bush administration lied about weapons of mass destruction “is a pernicious political attack launched by cynical and hypocritical individuals.”

There were no arrests.

Comments

jaywalker 4 years ago

"At this late date, you actually argued that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when we invaded."

??? What is wrong with you? Seriously? Exactly how disturbed are you? Where, in any thing I said, did I argue that Iraq had WMD's?

Dude, seek help. It's in everyone's best interest.

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Pilgrim2 4 years ago

a_flock_of_jayhawks (anonymous) says…

Pilgrim2 (anonymous) says… "Axelrod is not? He's not in the military and he's not elected. So the difference is... ?"

I think you are just being facetious again.


Hardly.

Axelrod is a civil servant and serves as Senior Advisor to the President, an executive branch role that was established as a formal position by the Bush administration. As you may already know, there are a good number of officials in our government that are not in the military and are not elected. Rove is not.

If one were to have an issue with Rove's public service, some issues that come to mind are his role in the Plame affair, dismissal of U S Attorneys, and the missing White House e-mails that reflect poorly on his public service and for which no legitimate explanation has been given.


Dead brain cell problems there, flock?

The original question was what your reaction would be to a reversal of roles in which someone "pretends" to execute a citizens arrest on Axelrod or shouts him down at a speaking engagement; a person in the exact same position as that formerly held by Rove. The fact that Axelrod is there now and Rove is not is irrelevant to the question. Would you think the actions as innocent and defensible if the target were Axelrod and not Rove? What's the difference?

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Richard Heckler 4 years ago

Approximately 11,000 americans have lost their lives as a result of 9/11/01.

When is enough?

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 4 years ago

Pilgrim2 (anonymous) says… "Axelrod is not? He's not in the military and he's not elected. So the difference is... ?"

I think you are just being facetious again. Axelrod is a civil servant and serves as Senior Advisor to the President, an executive branch role that was established as a formal position by the Bush administration. As you may already know, there are a good number of officials in our government that are not in the military and are not elected. Rove is not.

If one were to have an issue with Rove's public service, some issues that come to mind are his role in the Plame affair, dismissal of U S Attorneys, and the missing White House e-mails that reflect poorly on his public service and for which no legitimate explanation has been given.

So, do you have an issue with those that serve the people being held accountable?

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porch_person 4 years ago

jaywalker,

(laughter)

At this late date, you actually argued that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when we invaded.

That's an act of real courage!! Foolhardy and doomed to failure but courageous.

(laughter)

By all means, let me know how upset you are with some sterling ad hominem.

(laughter)

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witchfindergeneral 4 years ago

"Rove says the allegation that the Bush administration lied about weapons of mass destruction “is a pernicious political attack launched by cynical and hypocritical individuals.” "

It's hard to argue with Rove's statement--I mean we did find loads of WMD's in Iraq! Our boys in fatigues were practically tripping over those darn things, right? No? Huh.

"There were no arrests."

At least someone tried to shackle the fiend.

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jaywalker 4 years ago

"You have a real problem with being caught doing something "ill-considered".":

Riiight. And you have a real problem maintaining proper dosage. Repeat after me:

Even though I THINK I'm cured now, I MUST continue to take my meds.

Even though I THINK I'm cured now, I MUST continue to take my meds.

Even though I THINK I'm cured now, I MUST continue to take my meds.

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Liberty275 4 years ago

"You squeal like colicky infants when tactics that you promulagated are used against you."

Hey, that will come in handy for the next Phelps argument! Kudos to you, MyWorstNightmare!

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porch_person 4 years ago

Pilgrim2,

I see what the problem is. The LJ World software strips capital lettering out of words with more than one capital letter contiguous to another. Each time I have placed that link into a post, the LJ World software has altered it.

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porch_person 4 years ago

Pilgrim2,

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/11/cia.leak/index.html works for me. Apparently "POLITICS" has to be capitalized. Apologies if there was any confusion.

I thought everyone knew the Wilson - Plame story. That you seemed to think only Richard Armitage was involved was puzzling, especially after you declared that others don't know their history. This is fairly old news.

It made you look like you were on another planet, a planet of your own choosing.

(laughter)

=====

"Representatives from State, the Pentagon and the CIA all went to Niger to check out the story. They all came back with the same report in March of 2002. This is established history." --- porch_person

(laughter)

You cited a Christopher Hitchens piece from Tuesday, Aug. 29, 2006 to refute that? What, are you nuts??

(laughter)

"Iraq did not have the weapons that our intelligence believed were there,"

Hitchens was wrong two years after Bush admitted that the intelligence wasn't sound. Hitchens can be entertaining but he can also be wrong.

Hitchens didn't even discuss that the State Department had sent Ambassador Owens-Barbaro to Niger and that the Pentagon had sent 4-star General Carlton Fulford to Niger at the same time as the CIA had sent Joe Wilson. They all three came back with the same story. The Niger "yellowcake sale" was bogus.

(laughter)

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Roland Gunslinger 4 years ago

Type in "Rove confirmed Plame's identity" in Google and it comes up with a working link to PP's article. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Rove+confirmed+Plame%27s+identity&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

The url is the same as his link, but I get Page Not Found too when I click his link.

This link also works: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/12/cia.leak/index.html

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Pilgrim2 4 years ago

porch_person (anonymous) says…

"Novak: Rove confirmed Plame's identity" http://www.cnn.com/2006/politics/07/11/cia.leak/index.html


Took you two seconds to find a non-existent story.

From your link: "We're sorry! This page is not available."

Typical poochie.

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Pilgrim2 4 years ago

porch_person (anonymous) says…

Representatives from State, the Pentagon and the CIA all went to Niger to check out the story. They all came back with the same report in March of 2002. This is established history.


http://www.slate.com/id/2148555/

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Pilgrim2 4 years ago

a_flock_of_jayhawks (anonymous) says…

"Neither is/was Karl Rove an elected official. He held the same position in the Bush White House that Axelrod holds now. So the difference is... ?"

Rove's a civilian.


Axelrod is not? He's not in the military and he's not elected. So the difference is... ?

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Ricky_Vaughn 4 years ago

gogoplata (anonymous) says… Antiwar!!! People who lied us into a war should be heckled. ============== Agreed.

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porch_person 4 years ago

Pilgrim2,

"Not unless Rove changed his name to Richard Armitage.

You having trouble keeping up with current events?" ---- Pilgrim2

(laughter)

No, but clearly you are. Rove was also someone who outed Valerie Plame. So was Scooter Libby. And Robert Novak got it printed. It wasn't just one guy. Bush wanted to make sure the message got out.

(laughter)

Need citations?? Want me to track it down?

(laughter)

Took me all of two seconds, Pilgrim2.

"Novak: Rove confirmed Plame's identity"
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/11/cia.leak/index.html

Rove also talked with Matt Cooper at the Times about Plame before she was "outed".

Rove's not a nice person. He's not on "our side", if you know what I mean.

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porch_person 4 years ago

jaywalker,

(laughter)

Hell, if you go back far enough, we're in a war with Saddam Hussein!!

(laughter)

No, Bush knew that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction long before the 2003 State of the Union address. Stephen Hadley told Bush not to make those claims prior to a speech he made in Cincinnati in 2002. This is all established history. You're the one who is "ill-informed".

(laughter)

Representatives from State, the Pentagon and the CIA all went to Niger to check out the story. They all came back with the same report in March of 2002. This is established history. You're the one who is "ill-informed".

(laughter)

What you're engaging in is temporal dislocation. You claim something from long ago is what conditions were then. Wasn't the only example of this form of misrepresentation prior to the Iraq invasion.

Remember "crimes against humanity"? "Gassing his own people"?

When did Hussein do that?

During the Reagan Administration. When he was our ally. Before Desert Storm.

See how the game works. Most Americans are so "ill-informed", they'll not realize this and believe a line of BS. I've just caught you doing the same "game". You took opinion from five years prior to the invasion and tried to imply that it's what conditions were in 2003, when we actually invaded. Bush knew that was BS at the time. We know that without doubt now.

It's part of why Bush was so unpopular at the end of his Administration. Everybody knew by that point.

You have a real problem with being caught doing something "ill-considered".

(laughter)

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yourworstnightmare 4 years ago

Turnabout is fair play, right wing cry-babies.

You squeal like colicky infants when tactics that you promulagated are used against you.

Tough binkies.

Only an idiot would complain that the level of discourse has been diminished after spending 20+ years diminishing the level of discourse.

Rebel, teabaggers. The president, Barack Hussein Obama is black! Take back your country! Hutaree! revolution! Lame!

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jaywalker 4 years ago

"What's funny is that you made such a big deal about how ignorant gogoplata, Big Al and MyName were and in reality,....."

What's "funny" is how twisted you are, porch. Never said (nor "made such a big deal about how ignorant....) anyone was. Said they were "ill-informed". Your ignorance? Now that's a given. Nor was that link supposed to be proof of WMD's in Iraq, moron. Just shows that Bush was far from alone and that the rallying cry behind the notion that Iraq had WMD's was begun during Clinton's term and parroted by all the Dem leadership, as that video clearly shows. Here's a page from the porchie playbook, one of the more immature tactics you like to wield: I would have thought you knew W. wasn't in office in '98. I would have thought you knew that the vote to go to war w/ Iraq was overwhelmingly bi-partisan. I would have thought you knew both Clintons, Reid, Pelosi, Biden, Edwards, et al. were laying the groundwork for war w/ Iraq before W. ever became a candidate for the White House.

(LAUGHTER)

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independant1 4 years ago

As memory serves, the Vietnam war ended (or was lost, depends on one's view) when Congress refused to fund it.

All spending bills begin n the House.

Pres. Obama, about the only senator that did not vote 'Yay' for the Iraq war, gets credit.

That's why I luv this country! It's my fav!

America is a land of opportunity and don’t ever forget it. (Will Rogers)

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 4 years ago

Pilgrim2 (anonymous) says… "Neither is/was Karl Rove an elected official. He held the same position in the Bush White House that Axelrod holds now. So the difference is... ?"

Rove's a civilian.

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prolifersforwar 4 years ago

I watched the video and I think Karl Rove could totally beat up that woman in the pink hat. I read in Rove's book how George Bush protected us unlike Bill Clinton. I mean 9/11 happened while Clinton was president. So I don't know what pink hat lady is all upset about. Then because Clinton blew it on 9/11, George Bush took over to kill Saddam for attacking us with the 9/11 attack during the Clinton presidency. Pink hat lady needs to get her facts straight. However, some people in the liberal media have a different story. Like how George Bush was president during 9/11, which is really biased. Also you want to say he was a cheerleader at Yale. This is also not true. He was a cowboy. And he didn't go to an elite, Ivy league place. He went to a ranch. He carried a gun, not one of those silly male cheerleader horn-cone things. He flew jets and shot down Russians, Viet Congs, Nazis, and other commies. Pink hat left all that out. What a hater.

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Pilgrim2 4 years ago

jayhawklawrence (anonymous) says…

If they ever prove that Rove outed a CIA agent and caused the imprisonment or death of anyone associated with her I think he should be tried for treason and sent to prison for a very long time.


Not unless Rove changed his name to Richard Armitage.

You having trouble keeping up with current events?

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Pilgrim2 4 years ago

yourworstnightmare (anonymous) says…

This is really a tough binky for the right wing to suck. They cry like babies when the same tactics they have promulgated are used against them.

Cry, baby right wingers, cry. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Take to the streets, teabaggers! Take your country back from our black president Barack Hussein Obama. Revolution! Rebel! Join Hutaree! Waaa waaaaa waaaaaa!


As effective as any ad nauseum cut-n-paste by Richard Heckler. That is to say, "Zzzzzzzzzzzz."

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Pilgrim2 4 years ago

MyName (anonymous) says…

OK, first of all these weren't intelligence gathering "rules", it was U.S. law, reaffirmed by every U.S. President since WWII and set aside by a group of power hungry idiots in the last administration.


Um, no. All the pieces of the 9/11 puzzle were there for the solution, but a now infamous memo by Jamie Gorelich, written while she was in the Clinton Justice Dept, put up a firewall between, for instance, the FBI and the CIA, prohibiting them from sharing the vital information that could have possibly prevented 9/11.

Second, I don't recall anyone with half a brain blaming Bush for the worst intelligence failure since Pearl Harbor, anymore than I remember reading about anyone blaming Roosevelt.


Man, you must be new around here. Or are you really suggesting that the loons from the left who frequent the LJW Forum really have less than half a brain? If that's the case, we have no disagreement.

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Pilgrim2 4 years ago

a_flock_of_jayhawks (anonymous) says…

David Axelrod is not an elected official. If people don't like what Axelrod is doing in his current role, the proper place to go to correct that is to his boss, the President.


Neither is/was Karl Rove an elected official. He held the same position in the Bush White House that Axelrod holds now. So the difference is... ?

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porch_person 4 years ago

Liberty_One,

(laughter)

"You're posts are growing more immature..." ---- Liberty_One

Is that how they taught you to write in East Coast Fantasy Law School, Liberty_One?

(laughter)

I normally would not point that out but since you called me "immature" after I refuted you and your two references, I thought you were simply asking for it.

(laughter)

What I find funny is you now know how to go to the Fed (instead of a wacko Libertarian website) and discover evidence of what the Libertarians said "didn't happen".

(laughter)

That's progress!!

(laughter)

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jayhawklawrence 4 years ago

If they ever prove that Rove outed a CIA agent and caused the imprisonment or death of anyone associated with her I think he should be tried for treason and sent to prison for a very long time.

Anyone who would do that to advance his political agenda is a traitor and possibly murderer.

How is it possible that in my America there are politicians promoting torture of prisoners of war?

And the Republican Party defends them.

It is no wonder the American people are not very happy with the Republican Party. You can call people all the names you want and label them with the name socialist, communist, leftist or whatever, but it doesn't change the fact that people just don't like your brand anymore.

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yourworstnightmare 4 years ago

Jesus shewmon. Come up with your own childish insults instead of stealing mine. Are you too stupid to come up with your own, or are you a thief?

Btw our president, Barack Hussein Obama is a black man.

Revolution, teabaggers! Take back our country! Hutaree! Rebel! Piss and moan like a spoiled, petulant child!

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porch_person 4 years ago

Liberty_One,

(laughter)

You defend TomShewmon, saying that all the economy needs to do is adopt laissez-faire policies and you point to the 1920-21 recession as evidence. Problem was the recession was solved by the Fed loaning money starting in the summer of 1921.

Your first reference claimed the Fed did nothing and I blew that one out of the water. Your second reference ignored what the Fed did and I pointed that out as well.

Now you're saying that the loans didn't get made fast enough to count.

(laughter)

Remember, an few hours ago, the loans weren't being made at all. Remember? "The Fed did nothing".

(laughter)

And Mr. Murphy complained that the Fed didn't do the same stimulus in 1929 that he ignored from the summer of 1921!!!

(laughter)

Do you enjoy getting embarrassed because you don't know your history? That the people you read are dishonest. Or ignorant. Mr. Weiher could simply have not known that the Fed dropped interest rates in the summer of 1921, when Mr. Weiher says the Fed was "doing nothing".

(laughter)

Why do you make the poor choice of claiming that my historical facts come from Wikipedia. I provided the references. Are you claiming that they are wrong? You haven't gotten anything right so far.

(laughter)

Here they are again:

Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz, "A Monetary History of the United States";

Vernon, J.R., "The 1920-21 Deflation: The Role of Aggregate Supply," Economic Inquiry, Vol. 29, 1991.;

Anthony Patrick O'Brien (1997). "Depression of 1920–1921". in David Glasner, Thomas F. Cooley. Business cycles and depressions: an encyclopedia. New York: Garland Publishing. pp. 151–153.

Why don't you pretend those references came from the Wikipedia fairy or from my imagination. That'll convince our readers.

(laughter)

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Liberty_One 4 years ago

OK porch, I'll take the time to show how you're wrong since you've wowed us all with your wikipedia knowledge yet again.

porch_person (anonymous) says…

"The "laissez-faire" business model you claim was the reason for the recovery had "a Daddy" in the form of an increased money supply."

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?&chart_type=line&graph_id=0&category_id=&recession_bars=On&width=630&height=378&bgcolor=%23B3CDE7&graph_bgcolor=%23FFFFFF&txtcolor=%23000000&preserve_ratio=true&id=AMBNS,&transformation=lin,&scale=Left,&range=Custom,&cosd=1918-01-01,&coed=1928-07-01,&line_color=%230000FF,&link_values=,&mark_type=NONE,&line_style=Solid,&vintage_date=2009-08-14,&revision_date=2009-08-14,&mma=0,&nd=,&ost=,&oet=,

Money supply did not begin to increase until 1922. Notice your wikipedia entry only says it reduced "rates." This is conveniently misleading. It's talking about the DISCOUNT rate, not the FED FUNDS rate. As the graph clearly shows, the money supply did not begin increasing until 1922.

Seriously porch, quit reading the stuff on wikipedia. It's only half right half the time. You make yourself look foolish everytime you cite wikipedia and turn out to be wrong.

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porch_person 4 years ago

jaywalker,

There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq in 2002. George W. Bush lied about it during the State of the Union Address in 2003. To punish Joe Wilson for revealing to the world that Bush lied in 2003, George W. Bush revealed to the world that Joe Wilson's wife was a secret agent of the CIA.

Gee, if George W. Bush had evidence that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, I bet revealing that evidence would have been preferable to committing treason by aiding and abetting our enemies by revealing the identity of one of our secret agents to the world.

(laughter)

What's funny is that you made such a big deal about how ignorant gogoplata, Big Al and MyName were and in reality,.....

it was you.

(laughter)

By all means, if you have evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq in 2003, please share them.

You'll become famous.

(laughter)

""Iraq did not have the weapons that our intelligence believed were there,"

Have a nice day. Gogoplata, Big Al and MyName are all over here and we're lifting a cold one in your honor.

(laughter)

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jaywalker 4 years ago

That's what you got from that clip, porch? Why, that's shocking. Usually you're so insightful, rational, and intellectual............ (laughter) (retch) (laughter)

You can stop now, porch. You're easily the biggest horse's ass on this board. You took bozo's title a looong time ago.

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porch_person 4 years ago

Liberty_One,

How many posts did it take for me to utterly refute your defense of TomShewmon? Three?

(laughter)

And I refuted you with the opinion of the Austrian School of Economics!!

(laughter)

===========

Am I to wait for a PM which:

1) tells me to leave you and your father alone

or

2) tells me you want to be my bestest buddy?

(laughter)

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porch_person 4 years ago

Liberty_One,

"Actually in 1921 the Federal Reserve didn't do anything. “Despite the severity of the contraction, the Fed did not move to use its powers to turn the money supply around and fight the contraction.” ---- Kenneth E. Weiher

(laughter)

Well, Mr. Weiher was wrong, wasn't he? The Fed dropped interest rates from 7% to 4.5 % during the summer and fall of 1921. This is historical fact, Liberty_One.

(laughter)

In the article you cite, Mr. Murphy simply ignores the drops in interest rate that occurred in 1921. That's funny!! Just simply ignores it.

I can see why. It would have destroyed his argument.

(laughter)

And then what does Mr. Murphy do within paragraphs of his omission? He criticizes the Fed for not pumping money into the economy after the Crash of 1929!!!

(laughter)

The same Fed move he ignores from the summer of 1921, he calls for in 1929!!

What dishonesty!!

(laughter)

"Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz, in "A Monetary History of the United States", identify mistakes in Federal Reserve policy as a key factor in the crisis. At the end of the war the Federal Reserve Bank of New York began raising interest rates sharply. In December 1919 the rate was raised to 4.75% from 4%. A month later it was raised to 6% and in June 1920 it was raised to 7% (the highest interest rates of any period except the 1970s and early 1980s). The high rates sharply reduced the amount of bank lending in the country, both to other banks and to consumers and businesses.[2][8]

Rates were sharply reduced in the latter half of 1921. The New York Federal Reserve reduced rates in successive half-point moves over the July- November period from the 7% high to 4.5% on November 3 1921. The depression ended." ---- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depressi... ; Vernon, J.R., "The 1920-21 Deflation: The Role of Aggregate Supply," Economic Inquiry, Vol. 29, 1991.; Anthony Patrick O'Brien (1997). "Depression of 1920–1921". in David Glasner, Thomas F. Cooley. Business cycles and depressions: an encyclopedia. New York: Garland Publishing. pp. 151–153.

======

Dropping the Fed rate 2.5% isn't "doing nothing". An author ignoring it on a Libertarian wacko site is dishonesty. Calling for what you ignored a few paragraphs prior only makes the dishonesty more acute.

(laughter)

Get your nose out of the wacko sites. You'll be better informed.

(laughter)

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Liberty_One 4 years ago

porch_person (anonymous) says…

"The "laissez-faire" business model you claim was the reason for the recovery had "a Daddy" in the form of an increased money supply."

Actually in 1921 the Federal Reserve didn't do anything. “Despite the severity of the contraction, the Fed did not move to use its powers to turn the money supply around and fight the contraction.” Kenneth E. Weiher, America’s Search for Economic Stability: Monetary and Fiscal Policy Since 1913 (New York: Twayne, 1992), page 35.

This article here (http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/the-depression-youve-never-heard-of-1920-1921/) spefically says that pumping up the money supply is NOT what happened in 1921.

Regardless porch, if you are just going to flat-out lie in order to "win" why should I talk to you? It's a pain enough to deal with someone so immature. Since you are incapable of talking without all the name-calling, immature attitude and dishonesty I don't see any reason for continuing this conversation.

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porch_person 4 years ago

jaywalker,

There were WMD's in Iraq??

(laughter)

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jaywalker 4 years ago

gogoplata (anonymous) says… Antiwar!!! People who lied us into a war should be heckled.

Big Al (anonymous) says.... Tom, what F-ups are you referencing? The bailouts? Started by Bush. Iraq? Started by Bush. Afgahnistan? Pretty much ignored by Bush?

MyName (anonymous) says.... But the administration's response... sending us to Iraq to track down non-existent WMDs,...

Heavy sigh. So many ill informed, so little time......

http://s271.photobucket.com/albums/jj156/Leonard_Gump/?action=view&current=dems-wmd-before-iraq.flv

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porch_person 4 years ago

Liberty_One,

C'mon, you're an Austrian School of economics fan......you should know the answer to that one.

(laughter)

Think about it, genius. What "helped" us have that amazing recovery in 1922? And what ended up happening?

(laughter)

The "laissez-faire" business model you claim was the reason for the recovery had "a Daddy" in the form of an increased money supply. Real easy to recover when the government does a "stimulus" after the war and that's precisely what happened. You ignorantly claim that it was government getting out of the way when the truth is that the government fueled it. At least, that's the opinion of the Austrians. Do you disagree?

(laughter)

Of course, "the market" took that money and ran, and next thing you know, the Crash of '29. Cause: overspeculation and lack of regulation of the market, "the laissez-faire market". The Answer: further regulation of markets so that capitalists would be "discouraged" from trying to screw the system.

What I find funny is that none of this absolves the policies of the Bush Administration from the current Depression we're recovering from, nor does demonstrate that you read the literature of the economic model you state you favor.

I guess "Crazy Tom" is going to have to put up with being reminded that the current Depression started during the Bush Administration.

(laughter)

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independentthinker 4 years ago

!!! Support The Troops ~ they fight for Our Freedom !!!

fight against the extreme rightwing propaganda machine ... boycott the fox channel: all the programs - all the time.

spread the word. ~ Thank You ~

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Liberty275 4 years ago

I wonder if * will cut and paste what I wrote about protest being protest regardless of the words, the validity of the words or who spoke the words. Kudos code pink, you have once again shown America the hatred that drives the left. Keep it coming.

Also, I expect you Lawrence guys on the left to continue protesting Afghanistan and Iraq. I haven't seen you in a while and it's starting to make me wonder what exactly you were protesting. America is forgetting! Remind us!

At least cindy sheehan and her crowd has the guts to call obama a war cruminal. Lawrence liberals, man your protests and fight the good fight!

"WASHINGTON (March 21, 2010)--Anti-war protesters marched Saturday through Washington, D.C., to urge an immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.

U.S. Park Police arrested at least eight of the protesters at the end of the march, after laying coffins at a fence outside the White House. Many directed their anger at President Barack Obama, including activist Cindy Sheehan who shouted: "Arrest that war criminal!" through a bullhorn." kwtx.com

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Liberty_One 4 years ago

porch, are you saying you don't believe me? This economic depression saw GDP fall by 17% and unemployment rise to 12%, much worse than the situtation was in 1929. A new president had just come into this situtation and immediately began his laissez-faire approach. Over a two-year period the federal budget was cut in half, income tax rates for all groups was cut and the deficit was decreased. By August of that very first year the economy began to show signs of recovery and the next year unemployment was already down to 6.7%. A year later it was down to 2.4% and the depression was quickly forgetten about. While it was very severe, since it was over so quickly you don't hear about it much.

This is an example of how quickly laissez-faire policies can lead to a recovery. Do you think I'm lying? If I'm not lying porch, would you agree that based on this evidence, a laissez-faire policy is the best way to get out of a depression?

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Tom Shewmon 4 years ago

Cry baby left wingers, how do you manage to forget the past 6-7 years? Cry babies! Wow!

Some who were booted, and now back, whining even though your National Socialist Party is in power----unchecked power.

Waaaaaaaaa!! Boo hoo hoo!!!

Are your hinies needing a powdering and fresh diaper?

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yourworstnightmare 4 years ago

Rove spent his career systematically lowering the level of debate in this country. It should come as no surprise when the level of debate has been degraded.

Rove's attack dog has turned and bitten him on the arse.

This is really a tough binky for the right wing to suck. They cry like babies when the same tactics they have promulgated are used against them.

Cry, baby right wingers, cry. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Take to the streets, teabaggers! Take your country back from our black president Barack Hussein Obama. Revolution! Rebel! Join Hutaree! Waaa waaaaa waaaaaa!

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porch_person 4 years ago

Liberty_One,

"You don't recover from the biggest depression since the Great Depression overnight. Maybe you should put the bottle down and do some research." --- porch_person

Sure you can. There was one depression that was more severe than the depression of 1929 yet, following laissez-faire principles, the government did nothing to intervene but instead cut taxes, cut spending and reduced the deficit. The depression was over within a year and unemployment was soon down to 2.5%. Maybe you should do some research and find out some more about this depression that was over so quickly." ---- Liberty_One

(laughter)

My, don't you have an active imagination!! You got some more of that? Some of us would like a hit too.

(laughter)

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beatrice 4 years ago

somedude, that is a very wise observation. Tom and Barry -- lol

Tom, couldn't help but notice that you didn't name any of the major blunders made by Obama.

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somedude20 4 years ago

As a kid I had Tom and Jerry, as a semi adult, I now have Tom and Barry. Thanks guys! You are good for more laughs than those cartoons any day

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MyName 4 years ago

@Pilgrim:

OK, nine months into the Bush administration, shackled by the intelligence gathering rules left behind by the Clinton administration, we have 9/11, and the looney left says it's all Bush's fault.

OK, first of all these weren't intelligence gathering "rules", it was U.S. law, reaffirmed by every U.S. President since WWII and set aside by a group of power hungry idiots in the last administration. Second, I don't recall anyone with half a brain blaming Bush for the worst intelligence failure since Pearl Harbor, anymore than I remember reading about anyone blaming Roosevelt.

But the administration's response, including attempting to legalize torture, suspending U.S. laws against spying on its own citizens, sending us to Iraq to track down non-existent WMDs, and basically pissing away both the surplus he had coming in, and any goodwill we had after 9/11, was a disaster that people are still, rightly, angry about. Not to mention the fact that his (and especially Cheney's) ideas about "security" have done more to hurt actual U.S. freedom than any imaginary pinko-commie "plot" that even McCarthy could have dreamed up while not doing much to make the U.S. actually, you know, secure.

And I haven't even talked about the way he handled the economy.

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 4 years ago

Pilgrim2 (anonymous) says… "I wonder what your reaction would have been had someone tried to citizens arrest and/or shout down David Axelrod. And how is this any different than Tea Party participants shouting at looney left members of Congress?"

David Axelrod is not an elected official. If people don't like what Axelrod is doing in his current role, the proper place to go to correct that is to his boss, the President. In interfacing outside of the administration, he usually deals with the media, who almost exclusively gather and report the news rather than make news (Fox Newsertainment being the exception). Another difference is that it is a pretty safe bet that most of the shouts from TPers were directed at Congress members of other districts than the ones the TPers live and vote in.

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says… "How much time DO you lefties, Obama, Pelosi and Reid need to keep blaming your F-ups on Bush?"

If the GOP were to start helping shovel the crap and get to scrubbing the W off, it would happen sooner. Until that happens, it will be slower, more of it will still be there, and it will continue to stink. But that's up to the GOP and they've calculated that it's more important to work the phone in hope of getting a date with Ms. TeaParty tonight (try to score political points) rather than grab a shovel and pitch in. So are you going to blame the people shoveling or the people sitting on the porch scheming and complaining?

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gogoplata 4 years ago

Lloyd: My party is better than your party.
Harry: Is not. Lloyd: Is too. Harry: Is not. Lloyd: Is too. Quitsies. Harry: Anti-quitsies, my party is better, quitsies, no anti-quitsies, no startsies! Lloyd: You can't do that! Harry: Can too! Lloyd: Cannot, stamp it! Harry: Can too, double stamp it, no erasies! Lloyd: Cannot, triple stamp, no erasies, Touch blue make it true. Harry: No, you can't do that... you can't triple stamp a double stamp, you can't triple stamp a double stamp! Lloyd! Lloyd: [hands over ears] LA LA LA LA LA LA! Harry: LLOYD! LLOYD! LLOYD!

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Tom Shewmon 4 years ago

BigAl, you big teddy bear you! The corrupt Obama worshiping media breezes over/performs damage control for Obama, Biden, Gibbs, Axelroid, Emanuel, Napoleontano, Geithner, Jarrett, Holder (especially Holder),Reid and Pelosi etc etc on a daily, if not hourly basis. Where do I start? It's overwhelming. The corrupt lamestream Obama-worshiping media is worn to a frazzle!

I have to take my hat off to Hillary, as hard as it is for me to say it, for being the only element of sanity in the whole lot. I have learned to respect her a little. Bill and Hillary probably privately wonder, "What in the f***!?" Two scrappy Arkansas hillbillys probably could teach Obama a thing or two.

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Liberty_One 4 years ago

porch_person (anonymous) says…

"You don't recover from the biggest depression since the Great Depression overnight. Maybe you should put the bottle down and do some research."

Sure you can. There was one depression that was more severe than the depression of 1929 yet, following laissez-faire principles, the government did nothing to intervene but instead cut taxes, cut spending and reduced the deficit. The depression was over within a year and unemployment was soon down to 2.5%. Maybe you should do some research and find out some more about this depression that was over so quickly.

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Pilgrim2 4 years ago

a_flock_of_jayhawks (anonymous) says…

Because the big, steaming pile of crap left behind is still being cleaned up...


Um, OK, nine months into the Bush administration, shackled by the intelligence gathering rules left behind by the Clinton administration, we have 9/11, and the looney left says it's all Bush's fault. But 14 months into the Barry Joe administration, and everything wrong is still Bush's fault. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense (to the looney left).

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Pilgrim2 4 years ago

a_flock_of_jayhawks (anonymous) says…

Because the big, steaming pile of crap left behind is still being cleaned up...


Um, OK, nine months into the Bush administration, shackled by the intelligence gathering rules left behind by the Clinton administration, we have 9/11, and the looney left says it's all Bush's fault. But 14 months into the Barry Joe administration, and everything wrong is still Bush's fault. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense (to the looney left).

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Richard Heckler 4 years ago

Occupying another country then building 50 bases,then going back to Afghanistan then moving Special Forces into Iran,Pakistan and Yemen is one huge multi trillion dollar money hole.

Then sitting back and watching the financial institutions approve home loans to unqualified buyers is one more nail in the coffin of the economy.

Putting 11 million out of jobs is dumb economics = another nail

Yes all three belong to Bush/Cheney

The next domino looking to fall is commercial real estate: Subprime 2.0 strategy: "Extend and pretend" February 11, 2010 5:06pm by Emma Saunders

Between 2010 and 2014, $1,400bn US commercial real estate loans will reach the end of their terms. Nearly half of them are currently in negative equity—that is, the borrower owes more than the property is worth. And banks are reducing the number of loans in the sector, and have been doing so throughout 2009.

More shocking is that banks and their auditors are typically well aware of the problem, but have not written down the value of property as prices have fallen. Instead they are "extending and pretending"—or "delaying and praying": holding property values steady and assisting the borrowers where possible. They need to. If banks were accurately to record property values, they would write down assets on their own balance sheets and jeopardise their business (see example to right).

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/blog/2010/02/commercial-real-estate-extend-and.html

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Pilgrim2 4 years ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (anonymous) says…

No violence was threatened or committed, moderateguy-- and a wholly theatrical attempt to arrest someone directly responsible for the needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and the subversion of the US Constitution and democratic process doesn't seem all that radical to me.


So much for freedom of speech, eh, boohoozo?

I wonder what your reaction would have been had someone tried to citizens arrest and/or shout down David Axelrod. And how is this any different than Tea Party participants shouting at looney left members of Congress?

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BigAl 4 years ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says… How much time DO you lefties, Obama, Pelosi and Reid need to keep blaming your F-ups on Bush? Another year? Two? Three? God forbid for Obama-four solid years of "It's Bush's fault!?


Tom, what F-ups are you referencing? The bailouts? Started by Bush. Iraq? Started by Bush. Afgahnistan? Pretty much ignored by Bush?

Obama is put in the position of fixing Bush's F-ups. That is a simple fact. I know you don't like it and I know you don't want to hear it but there it is.
I tend to think that the Obama administration has avoided an all out depression brought on by the previous administration. You may not like the methods but things do appear to be turning.

I realize you won't see or hear any of this from the corrupt right wing media but facts are facts.

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porch_person 4 years ago

TomShewmon,

You don't recover from the biggest depression since the Great Depression overnight. Maybe you should put the bottle down and do some research.

(laughter)

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Richard Heckler 4 years ago

The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More ... Mar 7, 2008 ... All told, the bill for the Iraq war is likely to top $3 trillion. ... and strong countries squander trillions of dollars at their peril.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/29/exclusive_the_three_trillion_dollar_war

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article3419840.ece

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gogoplata 4 years ago

Right vs Left. Left against Right. Blah, Blah, Blah.

Wake up people. We basically have a one party big government system because the differences in the parties to amount to squat. Remember both Bush and Obama gave us bailouts.

You can keep on being a part of the current system of help figure out a better way.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years ago

"Because the big, steaming pile of crap left behind is still being cleaned up while the current set of GOP demagogues do their best to idle the shovels." -a flock

How much time DO you lefties, Obama, Pelosi and Reid need to keep blaming your F-ups on Bush? Another year? Two? Three? God forbid for Obama-four solid years of "It's Bush's fault!?

Do you understand that?

WOW!

(laughter)

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beatrice 4 years ago

So the right forms a militia to do battle against the Anti-Christ, while the left just show up at his book signing to heckle him.

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Liberty_One 4 years ago

jajacut (anonymous) says…

"Truth is, we now have people trying to do the RIGHT thing for humanity and not what is best for themselves and their accomplices."

It'd be great if some of those people got elected. I guess we can only hope....

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 4 years ago

Tom says... "He, like Palin, no longer serves in a public capacity. Do you understand that? I thought Obama was your "hope" and "change" but after almost 1 1/2 years (Dem congress for 3 1/2 years) I still hear the same old whining and it's ridiculous. I thought you guys were all about the future, but I've never seen people who dwell on the past like you nuts do."

Because the big, steaming pile of crap left behind is still being cleaned up while the current set of GOP demagogues do their best to idle the shovels.

Do you understand that?

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Jeff Cuttell 4 years ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

You leftist Bush-hating zealots need to get over Rove/Bush/Cheney. He, like Palin, no longer serves in a public capacity. Do you understand that? I thought Obama was your "hope" and "change" but after almost 1 1/2 years (Dem congress for 3 1/2 years) I still hear the same old whining and it's ridiculous. I thought you guys were all about the future, but I've never seen people who dwell on the past like you nuts do. Eternally miserable? Sure looks like it. You get your hands on the money of the wealthy, or Rove or Bush in jail and you'd still whine and cry about something else. Get a life.

Because it still hurts, that's why. And the Righties keep throwing lies out there totry to make people think the country is only NOW falling apart. Truth is, we now have people trying to do the RIGHT thing for humanity and not what is best for themselves and their accomplices.

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waltersobchek 4 years ago

I read about this days ago on CNN. Why the delay LJW?

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deathpenaltyliberal 4 years ago

"TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says… Tolerance? You need to come up with a new brand, far-left zealots. Noone is buying your BS anymore. You are THE most intolerant crowd on the face of the earth. Obama was rude to Brett Baier in that interview,..."

Tolerance? Like how the Bill Ayers speech at University Wyomong was canceled due to protests? I don't care for the guy, but does free speech only apply to what we want to hear?

Obama was rude to Breet Baier? Was he supposed to just let Baier interrupt and talk over his answers? Is Brett Baier some Important Person Who Must Not Be Challenged? Fair and Balanced, yeah right! If Baier had treated a Bush like that, you would have complained that Baier did not respect the POTUS.

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MyName 4 years ago

Protesting during a speech of some rich old white guy pimping his worthless book does not equal terrorism. The fact that I have to point this out to people like Tom shows how far off from reality they are.

And I think it's pretty telling when the people who want to yell at the guy outnumber the people who want to hear about his book so much that he has to stop his speech. I guess it sucks not having any "Free Speech Zones" to ship these guys off to now that your old boss is out of office.

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gogoplata 4 years ago

Antiwar!!! People who lied us into a war should be heckled.

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ferrislives 4 years ago

The funny thing is that he left without signing any books for those who waited for him. I guess he only likes it when pro-Rove people are around him, and he cannot handle challenge from anyone. What a wanker.

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Roland Gunslinger 4 years ago

snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says… Isn't it amazing how quickly Cindy Sheehan fell off the nightly news after she wasn't needed as a club to bash the President?


Really? I remember hearing something about her just a couple weeks ago.

Here she is for ya: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-14-cindy-sheehan_N.htm

Here she is getting arrested last week: http://www.kwtx.com/news/headlines/88764577.html?ref=577

ABC News coverage in January: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=9581918

CBS News coverage from last week on Sheehan: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/20/national/main6318144.shtml?tag=mncol;lst;3

Maybe you need to use a bit more news sources there Snap.

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beatrice 4 years ago

Sadly, this just gives Rove more publicity for his book. Can't say I support their tactics.

Amazing that this story gets more play than a bunch of right-wingers who want to kill cops in order to start their war against the government. It is telling about those who come to their defense or compare them as equals to a bunch of college thespian students shouting peace at a book signing.

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barrypenders 4 years ago

'Tea Baguettes' seem 'Sensitive' this morning. According to PADs, Tea Baggers are brutal.

Stimulus, Brutal Tea Baggers, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless you all

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Flap Doodle 4 years ago

Isn't it amazing how quickly Cindy Sheehan fell off the nightly news after she wasn't needed as a club to bash the President?

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yourworstnightmare 4 years ago

When one has systematically lowered the level of debate in this country as Rove has done, it should be no surprise when the level of debate has been degraded.

Turnabout is fair play.

Tough binkies for the right wing. They cry like babies when the same tactics they have promulgated are used against them.

Waaaa waaaaa friggin' waaaaaaa. Cry-baby right wingers.

Take to the streets, teabaggers! Take your country back from our black president Barack Hussein Obama. Revolution! Rebel! Lame!

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 4 years ago

Blessed4x, Form my point of view, it is not a civil manner that lends itself to public discourse. That said, there is a huge difference between a civilian promoting a book that has views and positions that are highly suspect and debatable and an elected official attempting to connect with their constituents. One is official business for the benefit of the American people - all the people, not just a few misguided protesters - and the other is not. Those that seek to disrupt official business bear the blame for interfering with that business. Clearly, that was not the case in the Rove matter.

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Roland Gunslinger 4 years ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says… Why? Obama has taken credit for Iraq. Why is Code Pink still after Bush people?

Lamestream media standard that applies to demonstrators:

Conservative= extremist Liberal= activist


While I abhore Code Pink (that stunt at the San Francisco set this in stone) there is a huge difference between acting out a fake citizens arrest/shouting to drown at the speaker and actively training to kill members of the government using guerrila warfare and terrorist tactics.

One is done with bullhorns and signs. The other is done with 7.62mm rounds, IEDs, sabotage, booby traps, and any other method to maim and kill.

I would categorize the left wing environmental terrorists (who use arson etc) as extremists along with right wing militia groups.

I wouldn't put it past Code Pink to become an extremist group, but until then they are just activists. Just like the vast majority of right wingers who drowned out others during the town halls last summer.

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Esq2eB 4 years ago

Grammaddy~ And we'll get over the Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Clinton/Boxer fiasco when our country gets past the damage they continue to do every day.

Socialism works great until you run out of other peoples money.

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Blessed4x 4 years ago

I can't wait to hear the liberals that attacked town hall participants for yelling and shouting down the pol's coming out in Rove's defense. They will do this right? 'Cause otherwise it's pretty hypocritical. They wouldn't be that way, would they? Would they?

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grammaddy 4 years ago

Nancy Tom- we'll get over the Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsy fiasco when our country gets past the damage they did. Coulter was not threatened or abused. She was warned that Canada does not consider "Hate speech" to be one of it's freedoms.Talk about a zealot. You keep it up though. Can't wait to watch the Regurgican party implode. No one understands you but yourself. The rest of us are damned tired of your right wingnut mumbo jumbo.You better believe I'm hopeful for the next election, can't wait to prove you wrong.

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porch_person 4 years ago

cowboy,

Total agree. I'm waiting on the book. I wonder who will do it? Unger? Conason? Woodward?

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porch_person 4 years ago

Say what you will about Tom's craziness. He generates the traffic. Kinda like Marion Lynn used to.

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TrooGrit 4 years ago

You know, I find it interesting that all the lefties that have posted here, see absolutely nothing wrong with interrupting Rove's free speech at his book promotion, but howl endlessly at Tea partiers if they should do the equivalent. And the fact that you don't see the hypocrisy in those beliefs. My own belief is that neither group's behavior is right nor acceptable in a civilized society, when you are shouting, you cannot hear any new information, whether you agree with it or not!

As for you Bozo, you are your usual self-deluded individual, insisting that Rove is a war criminal, and needs to be arrested for treason with no actual evidence except "I said so". You are the saddest of them all.

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cowboy 4 years ago

I would like to have been a fly on the wall when Freedom Works , Americans for Prosperity , PR and lobbying effort ideas were hatched by Dick Armey and friends.

" OK , we'll pour a ton of money into publicizing and setting up this grass rootie tootie thing. We'll get the yahoo's all riled up and supply them with flags and misspelled signs and sic em on washinton. This will make great TV on Fox and crap we'll just sit back and watch it unfold.

Truth is this whole movement was contrived by rich outcasts and the insurance industry and they have used the repub fringe to fight a proxy war. Time will tell but this is probably one of the biggest "movement scams " of all time.

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outtatowntownie 4 years ago

Excuse me, Tom... Who was in the news last week for spitting on and using racial and homosexual epithets towards American congressmen? I think it's very telling that these kinds of attacks automatically start coming from people in the far right camp when they get in a big, comfortable group together. Spitting on someone is legally assault. Coming at someone with handcuffs, no so much. I see the far right at the "tea party" rallies, and I am very concerned that the pitchforks and torches will not be far behind.

Ann Coulter: Was not abused or threatened, but was warned by Canada that her brand of American free speech is not protected the same way in that country. No threat, just honesty. Note that she didn't go, so I assume that she's incapable of curtailing her hate speech even to avoid arrest in a foreign country. I hope she goes on a lecture tour in Iran.

Rove: Not abused. Protested. Threatened with citizen's arrest, yes, but as stated above, this was a theatrical move.

Palin: All I get when I google "Palin threatened" is "Alaskan Opponents Of Palin Threatened" and "Palin Threatened To Fire Librarian For Not Helping Ban Books". When I google "Palin abused", I get "Troopergate Report: Palin Abused Power". If you're talking about the flack over the "don't retreat, reload" comment she made... that's not abuse or a threat. It's discourse and disagreement.

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porch_person 4 years ago

This kind of "protest" serves no purpose other than a childish outburst. Just as bad as when conservatives do this crap.

Rove has been a very bad boy but there seems to be an unfortunate unwillingness in Washington to prosecute those in power for their crimes (and they are crimes). Started with Watergate (historians might know earlier examples but I haven't had my coffee yet) and it seems to be progressing. Bush committed torture. Rove was part of the group that committed treason.

One wonders what the threshold is before we can no longer "let it slide for the good of the country". The crimes are getting more severe. In Nixon's case, it was defiance of Congress, conspiracy to commit burglary and violation of campaign laws. Bush did torture and treason.

That's not a good trend.

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somedude20 4 years ago

"You leftist Bush-hating zealots need to get over Rove/Bush/Cheney."

Those "people" were such horrible POS that they should be talked about so that their history does not repeat! What they did to the world, THE WORLD, has not even been fully felt yet

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Moderateguy 4 years ago

I think I need to change my screen name. Do you think "hardworking, middle class, agnostic, libertarian, non-pot head guy" is too many letters? The left has moved too far to the left for me to feel like a "moderate" anymore.

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jaywalker 4 years ago

"Perhaps because Rove has written a book, heaping more lies upon lies?"

Read it, have you?

"...someone directly responsible for the needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people..."

Aaah. I love the smell of hyperbole in the morning. It smells like.............bull Store High In Transit.

"... and the subversion of the US Constitution and democratic process doesn't seem all that radical to me."

Hmm. You talkin' about what's transpired over the last couple months?

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cowboy 4 years ago

Lawrence man falls over edge...

All of your above posted heroes put themselves up for criticism by running their mouths publicly. It is in fact how they make their living and as such they are open for criticism. I will give Bush one credit , he has remained relatively silent after leaving office unlike the rest of the ilk that surrounded him. Remember Tom we had to endure 8 effing years of the moron party in power. You should get some meds seriously because you are just into year one of an 8 year Obama run. Don't want the next headline to read

Lawrence man's head explodes

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georgiahawk 4 years ago

Tom, are you still on the porch, in your rocking chair, throwing cats at the neighbors and yelling for the kids to get off your lawn? You crazy cat-man!

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Tom Shewmon 4 years ago

Coulter, Rove, Palin----all inside a week are threatened and abused by far-left kooks.

Tolerance? You need to come up with a new brand, far-left zealots. Noone is buying your BS anymore. You are THE most intolerant crowd on the face of the earth.

Obama was rude to Brett Baier in that interview, does not want to hear dissenting views, publicly denounces Fox News. You all will see how far that has gotten you in about 6 months.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years ago

I bet you say the same thing to Elie Wiesenthal, eh, Tom?

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Tom Shewmon 4 years ago

You leftist Bush-hating zealots need to get over Rove/Bush/Cheney. He, like Palin, no longer serves in a public capacity. Do you understand that? I thought Obama was your "hope" and "change" but after almost 1 1/2 years (Dem congress for 3 1/2 years) I still hear the same old whining and it's ridiculous. I thought you guys were all about the future, but I've never seen people who dwell on the past like you nuts do. Eternally miserable? Sure looks like it. You get your hands on the money of the wealthy, or Rove or Bush in jail and you'd still whine and cry about something else. Get a life.

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Keith 4 years ago

The smartest thing Shrub ever did was nickname this guy "Turd Blossom".

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FreeKansas 4 years ago

What is that old saying? Steal a dollar and they throw in jail, steal 10 trillion and they make you king. The poser knows what I am talking about.

It also works for killing. Kill one and they………….

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years ago

No violence was threatened or committed, moderateguy-- and a wholly theatrical attempt to arrest someone directly responsible for the needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and the subversion of the US Constitution and democratic process doesn't seem all that radical to me.

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FreeKansas 4 years ago

Lies? If progressives have taught us anything it is that there is no one “truth”. Everything is relative.

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Moderateguy 4 years ago

So where were the FBI and DHS folks? Oh, that's right; only conservatives can be "terrorists." Violence advocated by either side is absolutely wrong. I just find it interesting that it's simple to paint all members of the tea party movement as uneducated, lead by the nose, redneck racists, but people that shut down a book signing are somehow noble.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years ago

"Why is Code Pink still after Bush people?"

Perhaps because Rove has written a book, heaping more lies upon lies?

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jaywalker 4 years ago

Is sierraclub being sarcastic or just whacked out of their mind?

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Tom Shewmon 4 years ago

Why? Obama has taken credit for Iraq. Why is Code Pink still after Bush people?

Lamestream media standard that applies to demonstrators:

Conservative= extremist Liberal= activist

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sierraclub 4 years ago

We could not fix stupid, but we voted stupid out. Since Bush and company have been voted out, look at how much better our country has been. No more war. Our military is home. We have more jobs. Taxes are down. Health care at its best. Change. This what we voted for, change.

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Rex Russell 4 years ago

We'll probably never know the true and full extent of the misinformation and malevolence of Mr. Rove. He is. like many in Washington, devoid of any solid ethics and morality. He had his own special brand, though. I'll give him credit for being a master of political manipulation and spin. Probably the best I've seen in my lifetime. But if that is the pinnacle of his lifetime acheivements, that's just sad. I have the same feelings for Mr. Rove and Fred Phelps. A mix of pity and disgust.

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barrypenders 4 years ago

Pink 'Tea Baguettes' are still fussy. Oh I 'Hope' n 'Change' they can find a way to 'Transformation' their 'Emotionality'

Pelosi away!! Pole Vault, Parachute in

Stimulus, Pink PADs, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless us all

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Flap Doodle 4 years ago

The Dwead Piwate Wove is waughing at your impotent wage.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years ago

Rove says the allegation that the Bush administration lied about weapons of mass destruction“is a pernicious political attack launched by cynical and hypocritical individuals.”


Sounds like a succinct description of Rove's entire career.

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